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Dtruthspeaker:
My view respectfully is that we Know Some One Commanded "Let there be Light" like a King Would Do and Someone Else Carried out the Commandment as One Bound to Obey shall do.

Revelation 5 Resolves This issue by telling us that there is He Who Sits on the Throne (That is Definitely A King for it is Always A King Who Sits on a Throne) and you already know that The Lamb Who was Slain is Christ.

Who Himself has told us that He Never Does His Own Will But the will of One Who Sends Him John 6:38 (Therefore, One bound to Obey as we have seen in Genesis).

Thus, we have a King and Another Who does the Will and Commandment of the King!

Dtruthspeaker:
I just visited Nairaland and to the Glory of God I can respond to any reasonable question posed so I will address the questions in my next post.

hansmond93:
I will only reply u this once, u seem to be an hypocrite, out of all the achievements listed in the article, u chose to pick the one u feel is a not an achievement, is the Vatican the only Christian ministry u know? Who said the Vatican has to be the Standard? Because you are the father, your children should not aim to be greater than u right? I wish u every thing u wish the church...peace!!!

Janosky:
To everyone who pats the OP on the back, pay attention :

When Mr Bin sends his Son to get you a glass of water, and you firmly believe Mr Bin is his Son , I have no issue with you making a mockery of yourself and mockery of the brain Yahweh gave you. .

The holy scriptures is sacrosanct , except the ones una dey twist

Romans 8:3,32.
"God did not spare His own Son but handed him over to death for us"
(Compare John 3:16, 14:28) Bible verses you are all denying on this thread..


Imperfect Slave wey know pass him perfect Master na WAYO slave

Enemies of Jesus Christ and Triune pagan idol worshippers everywhere!

"The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying"- 2 Corinthians 11:31.
(Compare Ephesians 4:6. 1:3).

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jamesid29:
Its not about limiting God bro, it's about staying within what God has revealed about himself through the scriptures.
When the scriptures say God is infinite, it is uses infinite in terms of attributes (omnipotent, omnipresence etc) but not infinite in terms of Personhood(One God, 3 distinct Persons.

jamesid29:
The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, both the Father and the Son are distinct from the Spirit but all three are co-eternal ,pre-existent and the One God)

jamesid29:
The difference is God is not the pillar of fire or the pillar of cloud, those things are pointers to the presence of God. But the Son and the Spirit are actually God, both pre-existent, co-eternal but distinct from the Father.

jamesid29:
As for the Angle of the Lord, that's actually a very interesting conversation.

jamesid29:
But as I told the other brothers earlier, I'm not trying to convince you or start a back and forth, I'm just pointing it out since this is a very important aspect of the faith. At the end of the day even though we might not be able to comprehend the full inner workings of God, we can apprehend what has been revealed to us through the scriptures ...

jamesid29:
... and In matters like this that is a foundational doctrine, it's really worth it to stay within what the Bible teaches.

Maximus69:
Wow! Please what position did he held in the list of the world's richest during his lifetime?

At one time he was the 6th richest man. Now please quit asking questions, you easily could find out for yourself. Thank you

Maximus69:
So in a nutshell when talking about the world's richest men Bill's name came out not as a partner in Microsoft but as the owner!

The same way God made mention of angels like Michael and Gabriel in the book that's wasn't given to angels but humans, that's why he made it clear that everything you and i are seeing today is his work, he single-handedly masterminded everything!

Maximus69:
So what is his rank in the list of world's richest?

Emusan:
Paul Allen is the name of co-founder of Microsoft.
Can you even see that you lack knowledge?

Maximus69:
So why is his name not known globally like that of Bill Gate?

Acehart:
They are coming after you like the army of the Persians. Lift up your standard man, they are coming.

hansmond93:
With these article, I hope the eye of every reasonable Nigerian would be open to see that the Church is a light in this Country. FYI, the living faith church bought their first private jet in 1998, lol... Military was still in Power!!! No matter the govt or who is in Power, Nothing can stop the Church from advancing!!!

jamesid29:
I get where you are coming from but the thing is, saying God is ∞-persons or not-known-number of persons beyond what the scriptures reveals to us. As believers, the scriptures properly interpreted is the final authority on all matters of faith and what it teaches is that, There is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Spirit. Anything outside of that is falling into one extreme or another.

eplanning:
The problem is even with the term God. How did it come and why. Even so-called bible believers haven't asked themselves this question.

In the scriptures, the Hebrew Word ELOHIYM is often rendered as God. But unfortunately, not only was God used to replace the name of the Most High YAH in daily communication, it has confused the minds of many, especially Christians who don't know the difference.

ELOHIYM is from Bantu ELEIM and means Power or Might. It's the same meaning in Paleo-Hebrew. Now this could be any God or any power, but in referring to that of the bible, we say ELEIM of Israel or the God of Israel.

A very terrible thing was done in replacing the name YAH or YAHUAH with THE LORD in the English Bible by Europeans. This has misled many into worshipping various deities even using the bible. It was also done to remove any trace of Africanness from the name of the Most High because the name YAH was well known on the continent of Africa and was even referred to as a movement (YAHWISM) centuries ago in regions were Isrealites settled on the continent. Today, true Isrealites still bear YAH in their names.

Now MESSIAH wouldn't dare refer to himself as YAHUAH that would have been ridiculous. Even his disciples would never accept such. True ISRAELITES will never give the glory that belongs to the Most High YAH to a man. That is a commandment that abides forever.

It is the Father who crowned MESSIAH with glory and honour and gave him a name that is above every name. That doesn't take away YAHUAH'S supremeness for besides YAHUAH, there is no savior.

MuttleyLaff:
I concur that the "Hebiru" are not exactly the same as the Hebrews

The "Hebiru" or ''Habiru'' are not forebears of the Hebrews
"Hebiru" or ''Habiru' is different altogether from the Hebrew because the former has more to do with name-calling

Abraham and his forebears are Chaldeans (i.e. Gen 11:31, 15:6)
Abraham and his forebears never called themselves Hebrews
but it is worth noting that the first name calling Hebrew was Abraham

Hebrew is a derivative of the name and/or word ''Eber''
First fascinating thing about Eber is that, he is third post-diluvian patriach after Shem (i.e. Gen 10:24 & Gen 11:14)
making him Abraham's great, great, great, great-grandfather.
and effectively the founder of the Hebrew race (i.e. Gen 10:21)

Second fascinating thing about Eber, is that his name literally means ''region beyond river'' or ''to pass through river''

Now, how come Abraham, a Chaldean, suddenly overnight becomes name-called a Hebrew raises the question
Well this happened when the word was first applied in the Bible to Abraham where he was name-called ''Abram the Hebrew'' (i.e. Gen. 14:13)

Good but El, a Hebrew word most often translated as ''God'' in our Bibles, is a generic reference word and nowhere does it actually signify being a name
YHWH is not just the name of the Jewish God but importantly is the personal name for El
YHWH is not just a Jewish God but is the true and one only universal God

God and El both mean ''the self-existing all-powerful authority influence''

In effect, God is synonymous with El, as in, God and El are the same thing and God and El have the same meaning

God is the English translation of Hebrew word El

''... as he understood it''

El is a phenomenon, and YHWH is the personal name of the phenomenon,

SMH, you shot yourself in the foot with this one by butchering the translation of that Ugarit clay isolated tablet fragment
That word and/or name ''ilt'' is being mistranslated as the name El.
This is wrong because in Ugaritic the name El is written as ''il,'' and not as ''ilt''

Tear down their altars, crush their sacred stones, burn their poles dedicated to the goddess Asherah,
cut down their idols, and wipe out the names of their gods from those places.
- Deuteronomy 12:3

When you build the altar for the LORD (i.e. Yahweh) your God,
never plant beside it any tree dedicated to the goddess Asherah.
- Deuteronomy 16:21

This mention and the one above it, seems to show that no pleasure was taken in understanding before posting a cynic and skeptic objective, showing off ill-informed opinions, full of holes and glaring errors

Again the word and/or name ''ilt'' in that text is not Yahweh, but is Ilatu, the goddess also known as Asherah
How could a goddess be the "son" of anyone?

The whole text of the isolated tablet fragment, in context is found online
(i.e. my son by the name of Yawu, O goddess `Elatu..." )
It shows ''bny'' mistranslated as ''the son of'' actually meaning ''my son''

The phonetic similarity between the name Yahweh and Yw, which occurs only in a single text (i.e. KTU 1.1 IV 14) ends right there
Yahweh is Yahweh and is not synonymous with Yw or Yawu
Yahweh is El, ''the self-existing all-powerful authority influence'' - God

Janosky:
John 20:17, Revelation 3:5,12,Jesus Christ says Mbanu !!!!
Jesus says he is ascending to my Father and your Father, your God and my God"

If your claim is true, Matthew 27:46, Jesus would have shouted to his other two Comrades to come to his rescue ," my Gods, my Gods, why have you guys forsaken me?"

DappaD:
Lol I take that to be your own definition of the trinity god then?

Maximus69:
Underlined!

So there are half-baked Trinitarians!

DappaD:
Nobody wishes to argue with you Mr bobbyjfc

OK OK OK

But you earlier said you weren't talking about trinity . See what you said

I'm sorry Mr bobbyjfc, but acknowledging that Jesus is the Almighty God alone automatically qualifies you to be a trinitarian no matter how you look at it.

bingbagbo:
John 12:44-46

[44]Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
[45]And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.
[46]I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

Jesus says if you believe in Him you have believed In the Father

And if you see Him you have seen the Father

Jesus is the Father in Flesh.

I know this upsets the anti Christs a lot, but see, no man has ever made such bold statements in history.

The JWs who say Jesus is Angel Michael hate to see this truth; how can an angel say if you see me you have seen God?

The Muslims won't like this because to them Jesus is just one of the prophets

The atheists won't like this because to them God doesn't exist

The Mormons will hate this because for them Jesus Is the brother of Satan

Jesus Christ is God Almighty

Atanuje:
Dele Momodu wrote
THIS FOR ME IS THE BEST ARGUMENT SO FAR AGAINST CAMA... ENJOY.

"NIGERIAN PASTORS

They are running their churches 100% better than the way the president is running the country.

The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. ----but no, let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you run your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your ... govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 25,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith, a single Church, is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters, yet it was electricity all through; for one second, water did not go off in spite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 metres before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your .... mouth to talk down on pastors!

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Bishop David Oyedepo Ministries International who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 200 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000 hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate in progress, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation...??

Canaanland hosts hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Government gathered people at stadium for recruitment exercise and before it even began, many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

Can we imagine how developed the nation would have been if we have people with the right mindset at the helm of the nation’s affairs? God bless all our pastors.
THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE CAREFUL WITH THEIR TONGUE."

Dtruthspeaker:
If you pay close attention to the various unknown Persons you have seen therein, you would see that there are Many Persons Who are Greater than man. Prophets (John is the greatest of Prophets), Angels, The Elders, The Persons on the Red Horse, Black Horse etc.

Then Revelation 5, There is He Who Sits on the Throne and you already know that The Lamb is Christ.

Therefore, there are many Great Persons Who have Authority and Power over man but the Difference is that The Lord, is Appointed by He Who Sits on the Throne to be God Over us, the man.

There is He Who Sits on the Throne and He is the One Who spoke in Genesis 1. After that look again, you would see that He Stopped Speaking altogether after the Lord Who is God Over us, hence Lord God.

Watch again when the Lord Introduced Himself He says "Lord" first but because man did not understand, He thereafter adds God.

But Later down, when Everyone knew and Understood Who He was, He reverted to His designation, which is "Lord" and He was Called The Lord until, He came to visit us on earth.

And Deuteronomy 6:4 proves what I say. See it He said Lord Twice in one sentence.

And verse 5 proves what I am saying "Love the Lord (Who is) thy God ( to thee)!

Angels and Elders though Greater than you and can exercise great power over you, they are however not our Governor!

jamesid29:
Sir, I can understand that the trinity is one of the things that is hard for alot of us to grasp but if you are trying to stay true to the faith, it's worth it to try and get a good understanding of it and how we can trace it from the old testament to the new.
There's only one God Yahweh, revealed to us in three persons. I know that sounds mind boggling to us but if God created such a complex universe with very complex creatures within it, then it stands to reason that this God is way more complex than we can ever imagine.

There's only one God and only this God receives our worship. Once you start seeing Jesus as a different separate God, that's a slippery slope... Again sir, it's really worth it to try and get what the doctrine of the Trinity is.

@bolded... That's not what the scriptures says sir.
Shalom sir

Dtruthspeaker:
I have cleared this up. He is the Lord God! The same One Who visited Abraham.

He is God Over Us, Not God, The Most High!

Preciousgirl:
Jesus is God according to you but not God?

How many God's do you have then?

Read Deuteronomy 6:4

I have one God and His name is Jesus

bingbagbo:
John 10:28-30

[28]And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
[29]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
[30]I and My Father are one.”

Jesus Christ is the Father made manifest

Hallelujah

Dtruthspeaker:
Even when you quoting Where the Lord God is saying "My Father" "My Father" you do not see.

The Christ Clearly said John 5:30
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me

Will He not look crazy to be referring to Himself? When He Introduced Himself, did He Not Properly Introduce Himself to Isaac, Jacob, Mose, the woman of Samaria?

The Bible is not like you, Neither is Christ, He Always Speaks Accurately and the Bible is Always Very Accurate in its Statements and it's Choice of Words, at least KjV is.

But you are very Obstinate. "A wise man will hear correction and increase in learning."

Dtruthspeaker:
I have cleared this up. He is the Lord God! The same One Who visited Abraham.

He is God Over Us, Not God, The Most High!

MuttleyLaff:
For DrLive\Logic and any interested interlocutor(s):

1/ Name who principally or primary are in the Godhead (i.e. Elohim) of Genesis 1:27
2/ At what point did God, the Spirit become God the Father, what point did the Word, (i.e. Logos) become the Son, and what point did the seven distinct expression of the God, the Spirit, become the Holy Spirit?
3/ Is God resigned and/or limited to just Three Persons?
4/ What is God's name? What is the implication of this name that God didnt reveal to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
5/ Is the answer given in #4a above really God's personal name?
6/ What fundamental problems was God solving that necessitated the creation of mankind? (i.e. A&E and their progeny)
7/ Did God have an objective to achieve and purpose for creating A&E?
8/ Would you agree that "Though this be madness, yet there is method in it?"
9/ Is it hard or impossible for God to project Himself out, so to simultaneously and/or concurrently exist on earth and Heaven?
10/ Give two examples of a Being that has demonstrated the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire. In other words, here is one from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26, so please give your two different examples please

bingbagbo:
John 10:28-30

[28]And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

[29]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

[30]I and My Father are one.”

Jesus Christ is the Father made manifest

Hallelujah

bingbagbo:
John 10:31-33

[31]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

[32]Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

[33]The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

bingbagbo:
John 10:37-38

[37]If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;

[38]but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”

MuttleyLaff:
As the bible messages, the tower of babel wasn't a physical structure really built. It's a metaphor, although it's a rather odd one, for a star gate and warning against hubris that leads to nemesis.

You are an archetype of Nimrod and all defiance of Yahweh, as you are, do suffer the fate of Nimrod. Continue building your ego, my dear defiant fiend

DrLiveLogic:
MuttleyLaff, the questions you answered were for Blabbermouth actually to defend his position plus I had outlined them later.

My ignorance? Continue like how?
Are you so lost in your bubble of 'know-all', you can't even take the time to understand this simple statement?
Again, knowledge is so vast doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated or that we stay in ignorance. It only means we have to limit it to contexts when discussing else we speak ad infinitum without beginning or ending or a focus in sight. LMAO!
Cc: MuttleyLaff

DrLiveLogic:
Again, bugging questions in my heart? Watch it man! You've come off repeatedly all over your thread as one who thinks he's come here to educate everyone else from some deeper and higher realm none ever approached. In the realm of knowledge, we all are learners. Whatever you think you know, there are thousands out there you may never meet who know much more. Humility is an accomplice of true knowledge.

DrLiveLogic:
And you finally avoided my questions. Huh! Wonder why you and MuttleyLaff so stuck up on the no-brainer: "darkness is the absence of light" that any kindergartener can tell that you totally missed my question. LMAO!

DrLiveLogic:
Now if you'd gladly answer my question:
2/ What does God mean by knowing good and evil since in your thesis, God knows only light, life and good and nothing not found in his nature? Please don't be evasive this time or try explaining what needn't be. While at it, you may need try going back to my #1 question you evaded.

DrLiveLogic:
...haha! But you 'forgot' to answer the question too. LMAO!
Now please tell us unequivocally:
3/ after a sinner makes a wrong choice or set of choices, does God then know what reality they've created and does he then their end?

DrLiveLogic:
You being evasive again. It's wise to always know when to say "I think I missed a spot" or "need to think about it". You can or else try again to answer the question with simple yes or no.

DrLiveLogic:
You sir seem the only one here getting it mixed up and trying so hard to force him outside your imaginary line. MuttleyLaff, shadeyinka and I get it clearly because it's straightforward as a speed-train. BTW, all foetuses are heaven-bound until the age of accountability to choose sin and alter that - Paul's meaning in Romans 7:9

DrLiveLogic:
3 persons? What you were told but the Triuneness of YHWH (Father, Word and Spirit) though is one Being.

Smh. Start here , go through #1- #6 and if you can refute all, then let's go for the jugular or else admit that YHWH (Word and Father) is one Being.

DrLiveLogic:
Nah! Can't trust you now. You seem to be up to something fishy about trying to refute the Divinity of Christ and we haven't even cleaned up some of the mess you've made with this subject yet. If you ask me, I'd say some things are safer "not permitted to be said". LMAO!

DrLiveLogic:
5/ Try Romans 9:11-16 for starters.

Your answer to him is just you being all over the place except where needed. So,

DrLiveLogic:
6/ who are those not found in the book of life? and did God have a purpose for them when they came to earth?

DrLiveLogic:
7a/ These sinners create realities outside of God, we see this all around as existent. But according to you these realities if outside God's, are non-existent. Explain this clearly.

DrLiveLogic:
7b/ If these realities they created exist as we see them all around, then is the end different from the beginning?

DrLiveLogic:
Why bother about my opinion? You claim to be the one in the know, remember?
8/ You said God has no evil/darkness in him and only forthtells what is consistent with his nature. So justify it with Isaiah 45:7 is all I'm saying.

DrLiveLogic:
Why getting unnerved? Plus everyone's got flaws huh? To throw at you but no flaw of your own, huh? Smh. Well, I didn't say you called it foretelling.
I'm saying you've used God's forthtelling here to strike out his foreknowledge, saying he doesn't know but only decrees, when in reality these two attributes are distinct and coexistent. Isn't that what you did?

crackhaus:
Nigeria my Nigeria... this is what is used to represent an affluent area in a country with the resources to compete with Dubai.

Kwantinu celebrating mediocrity oo, no offence to you OP.

GamalNasser:
Cool down there is nothing spectacular about bourdillon , same smelly mosquito filled gutters and rats everywhere , after my home which is not far from bourdillon , bourdillon is where I spend most of my idle evening if I am in Lagos ..Good place to jog and cycle and definitely Lagos best road but not much trust me

GamalNasser:
Trust me the place is a total shit hole

delkuf:
I really didn't read through, but it is Jesus. all this grammer I don't care