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Janosky:
The so called cover up exists in the figment of your imagination, born again spirit filled female role player (whatever that means).

The closet can no longer hide you.

I'm not your "companion" by any figment of your imagination.

Shuooo

Yinmu. Dem neva grind beans finish, akara dey smell. You're an ordinary smello soot, hypocritically looking for a kettle or pot to call black

Gemid94:
Founder of Living Faith Church Worldwide, Bishop David Oyedepo has said it is unbiblical for church leaders to claim ownership of their churches saying “it’s God’s church” not theirs.

Oyedepo made the declaration in a message on Sunday, August 9 during the online service of the ministry.

He said, “There is nothing like my wife and I ministry. There is no such thing in the Bible. It’s God’s church, not our church. It is wrong to claim ownership of God’s church.”

Making further clarification, he said “not one single thing that belongs to God should be named after me. Covenant University should never be named after me after I am long gone. The ancient of days owns it, not me. So let nobody be zealous to go and put my name on it.”

http://community.vanguardngr.com/forum/topics/don-t-claim-ownership-of-god-s-church-oyedepo

olabodejinad:
but you can buy jets with God's money

Take note of 1 Timothy 5:18 and 1 Corinthians 9:14 below

backnbeta:
He bought jet with God's money to do God's work, the jet is not for him, it's for God's work. There's no reason why he shouldn't enjoy God's favor as a man of God sir.

"For the Scripture says,
“You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”
And in another place, “Those who work deserve their pay!”"
- 1 Timothy 5:18

"In the same way, the Lord has prescribed that those who preach the gospel
should receive their living from the gospel"
- 1 Corinthians 9:14

Dtruthspeaker:
Would you miss an opportunity to Tell the Whole World that I Lie, if I Lie, when I Lie? Never!

I already said that you lied, when I typed that you, stop lying, that, you did put what was not there, that you did remove and replace with, what wasn't originally there

Dtruthspeaker:
So, there you have it, there is No Lie!

You know enough to think you’re right, but not enough, to know you are wrong and are perpetuating lies

Dtruthspeaker:
Because there is Nothing there for if there was, you would not wait to disclose it, most especially being the Big Show Off that you are, You would never miss an opportunity to Show Off.

You remind me of reading the classic "The Vulture is a Patient Bird" novel by James Hadley Chase. incidentally, and by the very good grace of God, I am a patient person and so, I am capable of accepting and tolerating delays. Besides that, I dont upstage the Holy Spirit, and truthfully speaking, there isn't any need/want to show off. Just so you know, I disclose, only after the Holy Spirit has collared, arrested and convicted you, not before

Dtruthspeaker:
And since you failed to show off, there is Nothing to Show Off.

No one can force anyone to understand a message that they are not yet ready to receive, but, hey, must never underestimate the power of planting a seed

Dtruthspeaker:
I wasn't at war with you, for I am not your Creator, Neither did I make the Laws Prohibiting Homosexuality and nor have I been appointed a judge over a homosexual.

Where did an idea of "... wasn't at war with you" come from. You've been misinformed, you've been miseducated and so your old ways, won't lead you to open new doors

Dtruthspeaker:
I was only simply Presenting my Own Views on Homosexuality to which I simply laid down the Laws Covering the subject (as you requested), Which You failed to shoot down.

I respect your, entitled to have, humble views, so much to the extent, I dont, myself have to shoot your forwarded superficial on-the-surface discovery banal views down.

It might interest you, to know that, petroleum oil isn't scooped on the surface, coal isn't picked on the ground surface, gold, diamonds and other precious gems aren't lifted off the ground surface, pearls aren't plucked from water surfaces. Just muse or thoughtfully think about all those listed discoveries for a moment and about the fact that the devil has no power ... except in the dark, a dark like that of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, but you dont want to yourself, ferret through, but you instead want me, to draw the picture for you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Rather you were calling on me to assist you and aid you to establish your Non-Existent defence of Homosexuality or (is it defence of a certain type of Homosexuality? I do not care for the answer), attempting to plead with much coaxings and cajolings and prodding so that there might be an exception in the Law Prohibiting Certain Types of Homosexuality, which is also Non-Existent.

You think too highly of yourself. I never called on you requiring any assistance or aid to establish your imagined defence of homosexuality. You selectively have chose to forget, it was you who reared your head, fishing for information, without realising that you wouldn't be able to stand when the heat gets hot and hotter

Dtruthspeaker:
Thus, you failed in getting me to establish your case for homosexuality.

You aren't adequately biblical educated and mentally mature enough to grasp what is contained in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, hence your failure in not properly investigating, probing and examining Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, closely and thoroughly enough, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, could have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, was going on, with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 and then on top, get to know, for sure, why and how these particular acts, behaviours, practices are to God "abominable" or "a detestable sin" or "an abomination" or "detestable act" or "detestable" or "disgusting" or "what God hates" et cetera.

Wtf, where's the faith. I haven't failed in planting a seed, threatening your accepted half baked interpretation of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

Obviously, its you whose failed, to understand that many people like you, are not ready to be unplugged, because you are so accustomed to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 gross misinterpretation and hopelessly will fight to protect the illusions so not to have it destroyed. Some people, like you, who should be spiritually mature and ready to confront hard truth, aren't spiritually mature and aren't ready to confront the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 hard truths

Dtruthspeaker:
And you failed yet again to so establish it.

Let me clarify, I am not on this thread to establish "it" Notice I was drawn into the limelight and never had any intent to establish "it". If you must know, I really dont give a toss however you and that mischief maker feels about "it". The choice to become aware, alert and/or enlightened, is your call, not and never mine. I am sure you've found out that, I would never disclose anything before you've got to worked out for yourself what Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is all about

Dtruthspeaker:
Therefore, the validity of homosexuality only exists in your own mind, which is of no use to anyone.

It is our obligation to ourselves, to make certain that amidst misinterpretation of any manners, our knowledge is increased in accordance with absolute truth

Dtruthspeaker:
Because you have Nothing to give.

You're a fast learner, of course, you're right that, I have nothing to give you, to trample upon

Your inability to activate your lateral thinking, proves, why you aren't a biblical detective and unable to investigate, find, probe and examine biblical evidence(s)

Dtruthspeaker:
Sorry sweetheart, you demanded for the Lawful Basis of My Belief in The Fear of the Word of the Lord, which could either be Expressly Stated or Impliedly Provided, so long as I am able to show any Written Statement or Commandment to That Effect as Provided in the Bible!

Sorry sweetheart? You made me raise my eyebrow there

Would you kindly, in exactly the same words as original were used by me, reproduce the question or request, I asked you and paste it here please?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now I expect your guns gonna go blazing!

It is true I've got gunpowder and loads of ammo, the sort suited for Armageddon, but what will be the point of wasting good ammo, ahead of time, hmm? Nah, the guns are safely tucked away in their holsters

Righteousness89:
There is only one GOD! That is GOD ALMIGHTY. The God of Abramham, Issac and Isreal!
The Covenant Keeping God..

Any other is a toy!

orisa37:
In Yoruba He is OLODUMARE ( The COVENANTS Maker, Convener and Keeper)

Yorubas, by means of singular or conglomerate of verb(s), form names from a word or portmanteau, that describes a state, action or occurrence of the thing referred to. Fridge(s), in Yoruba parlance, is/are called "Ẹrọ amunu tutu or Ẹrọ-amunu-tutu" It is a portmanteau word formulated from translating "machine with a technology which gets the belly/stomach cold," that is what "Ẹrọ amunu tutu or Ẹrọ-amunu-tutu" means, as far as Yorubas are concerned, whenever object are taken from the fridge, eaten or drunk, it ends up making the stomach/belly cold

The English word, God, represents, a kaleidoscope of many meanings, but "OLODUMARE", in Yoruba parlance, is the name assigned to God, and it will interest enquiry minds, to know that "OLODUMARE" is a portmanteau word, formed from putting together, coming from an observation viewpoint, words that describes what this enigmatic and very powerful Supreme Being is.

The other alternate form names of "OLODUMARE" are: "Edumare" and "ElÈdumare"

"OLODUMARE" is also known as "ỌLỌRUN" In Yoruba parlance, "ỌLỌRUN" is another portmanteau word, which means "Owner of the heavens or sky expanse" or "Owner of the firmament" "OLO, ỌLỌ, OL' or ELÈ or EL'" means Owner, while "ỌRUN" means "the heavens or sky expanse" hence "ỌLỌ-RUN"

Cycling back to the portmanteau word "OLODUMARE" name of God, in Yoruba manner of speaking, the name is derived from the following words:
1/ "OLO" - means, Owner,
2/ "ODU" - means, mystery, mystical attributes, a thing or being that is mysterious. It also means energy
3/ "MA" - means, knows
4/ "RE" - actually is "ire" and means, blessing

So when, the words, OLO, ODU, MA and RE, are joined together, we have "OLODUMARE" revealing a profound and thoughtful deep meaning that indicates the truth and/or existence of an Energy, Supreme Spirit Being, who is not just the Owner of unique energy but also is in possession of mystery/mystical knowledge of all manners of blessing.

Since God is the highest level of energy. It is from this energy, that everything is created. In fact, Odu, directs all forces at all level of existence, hence, it is this same mystery and/or energy, that's the power behind the creation of all living and non-living things.

One of the most important of the mystical attributes of God is volition. Without volition, there is no God, and there won't be forces, natural laws, rules and/or principles

Profoundly observing, God has always being EL and this is evident in the Yoruba variant name of God, "ELÈdumare" The prefix EL, as previously intimated, means, Owner, an Influential Owner (e.g. Elijah is: My God, is Yahweh/YHWH, Elihu is: My God, is He, or Ọlọrunfẹmi is: God, loves me)

I dare say Yoruba beliefs and mythos is very rich. As I've earlier advanced, Chukwu, in Igbo cosmos, is a product formed from two Igbo words "chi" and "ukwu", that computes to mean big god or great god. Chukwu, in the real sense of it, isn't Yahweh, the God in the Bible but simply is a god, that now, so as to pretend, is taken to be YHWH or Yahweh, the God in the Bible

The Igbos, and the Yorubas, just as like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God (i.e. Acts 17:23-31)

Now, the thing is, God wants, us having a relationship with Him, and not having a relationshit with god(s) You cannot practice consulting the dead, practice ancestor worship or practice spiritism and be a follower of the one and only true God (i.e. Deuteronomy 18:10-13)

cc: FOLYKAZE, MizMyColi

FreelanceRebel:
Still in detention undergoing mouth plastic surgery.

Your tongue in cheek dark humour is arresting.

Man's inhumanity to his fellow man. The evil, man does to his fellow man, Man indeed is his worst enemy. Animals in man's clothing. Animal dey wear agbada. RIP Eleniyan Abami Ẹda Fẹla.

Dtruthspeaker:
goading and coaxing at one time and being indignant at another will not move me.

I have presented the Laws as Written and I will Never Put What is not there to it or Remove therefrom!

Just admit you are out of your depth Dtruthspeaker

Stop lying, you did put what was not there, you did remove and replace with what wasn't originally there

Dtruthspeaker:
I have asked you, who sees, what you see, to present that which you claim to see and you have not done so.

Are you ever going to do so?

I have left the door wide open and ajar, it is up to you with your own very eyes to see whats inside. I have shed light into Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, it is up to you, to strain your eyes so to clearly see. You're a big grown son and moG, I am not going to spoon feed you. You have strong strapping arms, use them to lift up the bonnet and dive in to look under Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Stop forwarding superficial on the surface discoveries.

The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them" Roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers and get to work. "Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work or study, cancels out knowledge poverty" You are not, at this point, in a position of getting anything from me, on a platter of gold. As soon as you earn that I privilege, of course, I'll ever oblige you doing so and more.

Dtruthspeaker:
And I have supplied the Verses that Impliedly Command you to Fear not Only the Lord Himself but His Words Also and His Look too!

That is not how it works José. You know that I requested for was, explicit command, and not implicit command, so quit playing games.

You merely are adding to what the bible hasn't explicitly said, trying to make it say what it didnt say, in short you are busy trying so hard to make fetch happen, proof-texting with bible verses.

AmazingELixir:

Placing a call to shekau ....
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Lagos state is becoming unbearable for the down trodden...if you don't have your personal vehicle in Lagos your case is sorry...transporters are out for the kill.

If there's anything the Lagos state government should clampdown on seriously is the archaic, uncivilized and barbaric open defecation going in the state

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Dtruthspeaker:
There is nothing to be agitated about so I am not desperate neither do I deceive you!

You're deceiving yourself, not me. You are incapable of deceiving me. It is fascinating watching you wriggling all over the place.

Dtruthspeaker:
All My answers from the first is to the effect that When you Fear the Lord, You Must Surely Fear His Word for the Lord is not without His Word and the Word is not without His Lord.

The Lord and His Word are One.

The Fear of the Lord as it is Written is the Fear of the Word of the Lord!

Modified!
On that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment

Proverbs 20
"A king that sitteth in the throne of judgment scattereth away all evil with his eyes."- Even the Look of the Lord is Fear-Full
(or would you say that the Lord is not king?)

Jeremiah 23:29
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
(Abi you no dey fear fire or Hammer?)

Let me reel you back in position. I corrected you that you are only asked to fear God and not fear commands or laws of God, and this you clearly have problems accepting, so I then asked you, to provide bible verse(s) that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment, but you've woefully failed at presenting any, only resorting to clutching at straws and continued with your proof-texting bible verses exercise.

FOLYKAZE:
Oruko eni ma so omo, inu eni ni o wa

"Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”).
The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”)."
- Genesis 35:18

This is true, about "Oruko eni ma so omo, inu eni ni o wa". It is more the reason why God changed Abram's name to Abraham, Sarai's name to Sarah. Why Jacob, was renamed Israel, and why Jacob, knowing the power and importance of a name, changed his last born's name, given by his mother to Benjamin.

The real and personal name of God is related to a verb, of action, it is of the sort of what He does. It is such a sacred and powerful name, that it isn't revealed to any human being, inspite of Him, being asked a few times, what His name is.

Names are important. Without one, it’s very hard to introduce yourself to others. However, having a wrong name can also be a burden, which is why Jacob wisely changed his son's name to Benjamin. We have to be careful with choosing names because they can be prophetic. Names like Abel, Methuselah et cetera, are prophetic names that carried out the essence and/or the import of what the name means.

Of course, you dont necessarily judge someone by their name, dont judge a book by its cover but you judge them by what's inside or their actions. Just because you're called Abacha, it doesnt mean you're in nature, a military dictator

FOLYKAZE:
My baby dedication is today. Holding at CAC very close to my hood.

I could remember these people visited us at the hospital. During the naming ceremony, I looked at my back and saw Alasalatu, non believers and Christians. These are humans who are beyond religion and tribal segregations.

The pastor who held the service asked for a christian name because everything I presented to him were Yoruba names.... The name that came to my mind is Hephzibah. Later found it in Isaiah 62:4.

Isaiah 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

Oruko ni ro ni, Ori eni ni gbe ni. In fact, Eniyan laso mi

You should have stood your ground against the ignorant pastor who held the service and asking for a christian/christianised name, and maintained that all you have to give your kid, are Yoruba names exclusively.

All my names are indigenous names, my kids, I made sure, all their names are indigenous names. We all have prophetic, affirmative, declarative and emphatic ethnic names, formulated to the glory of God, but importantly expressed in our mother tongue. No foreign western, colonial mentality English names. How many expatriates in Naija, have you ever found give their kids, Naija names and call them by it, huh?

From Bible 101, your missus, who is a believer, should have informed you, that as a believer, one automatically in their own right becomes a priest/prietess and royalty in God's courtyard. That youse wouldn't have needed a "paistor/pastor" to come officiate or bless your kid for you, because as a child/son/daughter/moG/woG, we have direct access to the throne of grace, such that we boldly approach God, directly without having need of any go-betweens, intermediary or negotiator, except for as when needed, Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, our Advocate (i.e. Hebrews 4:16)

bigfrancis21:
Yes the Igbo spiritual mythology is correct on this one. Every person has a personal spirit guide who’s with us throughout our life journey. Igbos call it ‘chi’. Chioma originally meant one with a good guide or good destiny. This is the original concept of Chi before the advent of Christianity, which saw the meaning change to ‘God’. They watch over us and sometimes speak to us via several means during moments of help. There is a supreme creator and there are spirit guides, angels etc

Self delusion conflated with twisted theology

MizMyColi:
This sounds believable to me.
Also, I think it's high time we stopped demonizing our forefathers/ancestors.

Who has demonised our forefathers/ancestors. Our forefathers/ancestors are dead, are unconscious to all that is happening at this our side of eternity.

CassieV:
Hi, can you go into more details on this please? I'm very interested in the topic.

²³For as I walked around and examined your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore what you worship as something unknown, I now proclaim to you.
²⁴The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands.
²⁵Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
²⁶From one ma He made every nation of men, to inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands.
²⁷God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. ²⁸‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.
²⁹Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination.
³⁰Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all peoplef everywhere to repent.
³¹For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.”"
- Acts 17:23-31

Chukwu, is a product formed from two Igbo words Chi and Ukwu, that means great god. The Igbos, like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God

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MuttleyLaff:
Oh, oh, your brain hasnt reset to factory default set yet. Abi?

Where are those your enthusiastic and vocal supporters to come read what you've written and give you a warm back slap well done son, good job son pat on the back, eh?

Of course, chukwu is your god. You, your shameless racist self and your ukwu god, would bow down in the presence of Jesus

You are a jumped-up wannabe, who right from the start had no legs to stand on with. You cant even spell correctly the name of your god. At least four times, it is you spelled it Chuwku. Smh, what do you think is going on there, eh, lol? Its Freudian slip dingbat. Why dont you go back and return after you've learnt how to properly spell your chukwu and not incorrectly four times spell it as chuwku. Can you imagine the dingbat misspelt the name of his god. No reverence, no respect, no honour, no attention to detail, well I am not surprised, it a dumb god and its dumb ignorant idol worshipper frosbel\2. It is because of careless people like you, that is one of the reasons, why God never revealed His personal name to anyone

I have told you earlier what chukwu really means and that it actually means ukwu god. Now here's an opportunity for you frosbel\2, to get educated, by me, freely from the goodness of my heart, on Igbo spirituality you ungrateful ignorant donkey, lol. Yes, let the opportunity present itself to you because I know that you never knew what I am about to share with you before. I know you never had any knowledge about this before now because your original post, the intro with the many misspelling of chuwku instead of chukwu, had aside the misspellings, wrong facts you typed that betrayed how feeble, inadequate and lack in depth you are. Take for example chukwu is not, never from the beginning was chukwu ever chineke, lol. Chineke quite alright, has you put it, is "God who creates" because according to Ndigbo mythtology, chineke, which means "chi" and "eke", lol hence chineke when the two Igbo words are combined, means "Creator" or "reason for the being", (i.e. eke god => god that creates)

Now the transition, upgrade and transformation of chukwu to an equal status and standing as chineke, only happened after Ndigbo have been Christianized, lol. Go ask your village elders frosbel\2 about this, lol, they'll even confirm that "chi," from where "chukwu" was formed from, indeed, is personal god, lol. They'll tell you and confirm all this. Listen man, I am saving you from yourself. You see, pikin wey no gree receive home training for hause, na for outside wey hin reach where public go teach am. This is your case, lol

I havent even scratched the tip of this whole matter, talkless touch the massive rest submerged body and you are doing "... bring out facts, evidence etcetera" If I should pull my hands out of the pocket, you will faint and collapse out of shame and embarrassment of your shortcoming.

At the level you’re at, you're a blind man, lol and the thing is you can't show light to a blind man, lol. Here's another thing to know about yourself frosbel\2 and that is a blind man can never see, he never can see how good you look, lol.

Hmm, go pick up "Things Fall Apart" just like I already had earlier advised you to, lol. Its not much, but it'll at least fill a little bit of your deficiency and knowledge gap of Ndigbo spirituality. Use it to brush up on chukwu too with, mister olodo-rapata-upon-twenty

Dtruthspeaker:
"Man shall live (or die) by every Word (Commandment) which Proceedeth from the Mouth of the Lord, doth man Live (or die) Deuteronomy 8:3

Has it, out of desperation, now come to you doing this ni, hmm? Do you really have to resort to deceit and proof-texting, erhn?

I'll repeat the question again, so that you dont miss the opportunity to correctly answer it. Give me one scripture that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment.

FOLYKAZE:
Hahaha Me don dey grove Olamide - Tuale (Orisa bi o le gbe mi, fimile bi mo se wa).

King Sunny Ade - Eniyan laso'mi... When there is harsh cold, Nairalanders cover and kept me warm.

These people love me too much ooo, too much excess love o.

I put up a ad to sell my mini laptop because I wanted to raise 31k for some need. Believe this, a woman from nowhere sent 70k, another person sent 80k just yesterday. I received a brand new phone infinix hot 9 play worth 54k from another nairaland. What else can I ask for? I wanted just 31k but got more than 200k. Isn't this what people call grace?

Yes, it is what the Bible calls, Grace. It is the unmerited favour of God and simply put, it is actually is an undeserved, unworked for favour from God to mankind

FOLYKAZE:
As a matter of fact, eniyan laso mi

That "King Sunny Ade - Eniyan laso'mi", is right out of the Bible. It is biblical (i.e. Matthew 25:40-45)

Dtruthspeaker:
Good it is settled then that there is only one type of homosexuality which is banned, therefore, is your question why is it Prohibited?

Sigh and smh, you still havent got a clue, and this is why you are getting hung up on "... only one type of homosexuality ..."

Dtruthspeaker:
Then my answer shall be, it is Prohibited because
1) God, The Law Giver, says it is Prohibited!

This is like how HRH Oluwo of Iwo, says to Olori Chanel Chi: "You're part of the enemy" then when she asks "who's the enemy" he replies "them" and when Olori asks "who's them" HRH restates "the enemy," leaving no one any the wiser, of knowing the identity of "the enemy"

I'll give you another opportunity, to now, state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion, doubt or repeating "it is prohibited", why did God, The Law Giver, says it is prohibited?

Dtruthspeaker:
2) it is a derogation from the Natural Law Established by God from the beginning which is man with woman.

You just felt that derogation is a big grammatical word you could use, that even has no correlation or connection to what transpired in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

Your obstinate problem makes you incapable of properly investigating, probing and examining Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, closely and thoroughly, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, could have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, is going on, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 and then on top, get to know, for sure, why and how this particular act, behaviour, practice is "abominable" or "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera.

Dtruthspeaker:
3) it is a Departure from the Principles and Tenets of Holiness, Purity and Rightness which the Lord, God Commands.

You are just doing a poor attempt of beating around the bush and without exactly telling us what the specific problem is in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

You havent done your best, you havent studied to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. All what you've been doing is guesstimates and waffling.

olaniyilukman:
Year 2020, it is sad that none of our fake prophets saw this coming.. 2020 has really exposed all of them, they are all fraudsters and use the name of God to defraud the ignorance in the society....

stacyadams:


My people still no believe say our fake prophet na fake

As as dem wan go continue to dash dose scammers Money tommorow

MuttleyLaff:
Happy New and rewarding Year to you CaveAdullam. I am filled with awe, even, still, long after finding out the meaning of your moniker.

I digress, but back to the new year 2020. Not many have thought of the significance of 20, actually repeating itself in this new year, you know repeating just like in those sort of "truly, truly ..." John 1:51, John 3:3 etcetera Johannine biblical intro phrases, and the thing is, it is repeating itself for a "credible" and truthfully significant reason(s). Yeah, its the season thanks to one mister PrecisionFx, for getting me to use the word "credible" here, lol. "Credible" is in vogue thanks to him, lol.

Anyway, as I was saying, the new year, apparently is sounding off a robust and/or uncompromising message(s) to whom and/or those applicable, by deliberately and consciously repeating the number twenty twice.

I know there's the negative and positive sides of the number 20, but I strongly believe that because of the 20 repetition being done, in this case, twice, then this year is really all about the positives, and so its identifying with those, more so than with the negatives.

For the sake of twenty, God will not destroy (i.e. Genesis 18:31, lol) Happy rewarding 2020, CaveAdullam

I sensed that there was something sinister about 2020, but being a half full cup person, gravitated towards optimism and the positives

Blue3k:
Source: https://www.atheistalliance.org/campaigns/mubaraks-wife-appeals-to-nigerian-senate/

MuttleyLaff:
# FREE MUBARAK BALA NOW!
# Shout it from the rooftops

I thought he was released which is why I discontinued advancing the hashtag

"Whoever oppresses the poor taunts their Maker,
but whoever is kind to the needy honors Him."
- Proverbs 14:31

"Do not gloat when your enemy falls,
and do not let your heart rejoice when he stumbles."
- Proverbs 24:17

"Whoever is kind to the poor is lending to the LORD
— the benefit of his gift will return to him in abundance."
- Proverbs 19:17

"Those who mock the poor insult their Maker;
those who rejoice at the misfortune of others will be punished."
- Proverbs 17:5

Some people are just like that, cultivating and preaching the gospel of self-deluding hypocrisy. Smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoinnuoAzl8

Did naptu2 or anyone else, too, saw Jagaban, in 1999, trying to do the COVID-19 or Corona virus elbow salutation at the 2:30 mark of that video and few laughed?

Dtruthspeaker:
I Do Fear God and Everything That is God's including His Laws!
After these, I fear Nothing!

Will you please stop all these your eisegesis

OK, give me one scripture that explicitly commands that you fear God's law and/or commandment.

Dtruthspeaker:
"this particular form of homosexuals" Are there types of homosexuality? It is unknown to me.

I only know homosex to be sex between the male and the male or between the female and the female without variation and they are both Prohibited.

Heterosex is the permissible sex subject to Another Set of Laws.

You shall attempting to amend God's Laws by addition, which you do not have the power to do in violation of the Commandment which provides

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you"-(The Literal Rule of Interpretation of the Commandments)

Then by the Literal Interpretation of the Commandments, it is clear that sex of any kind that is not between the male and the female Is Expressly Forbidden.

Respectfully, you would be wrongly using Miischief Rule which is already Clearly Prohibited by the The Law Giver in interpreting the clear provisions of the Commandments, to input what is not there.

I also do not think you have averted your mind to another Law covering the same subject matter to wit

1) Consecrate yourselves and be Clean: Ye are a Holy People of A Holy God. The central theme being Holy which Always Means Pure.

And what is the Pure state of the Man According to the Lord God, the Creator of man? The Answer is
2) "He made them male and female" not male and male or female and female, but "male and female made He them".

Thus, nothing can be rightfully deduced from Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, which Clearly, Directly and Expressly Forbids and Prohibits homosexuality without exception.

Until you do a 2 Timothy 2:15 on Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, all the above that you've typed is unnecessary and irrelevant. You can see how your lack of depth and full knowledge of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is betraying you to the extent of you being confused.

Let me ask you this. Are there types of heterosexualism, hmm? If your answer is no, then why asking about types of homosexuality then, erhn?

When people start to employ all sorts of accusations, like "... attempting to amend God's Laws" or typing "respectfully, you would be wrongly using Miischief Rule which is already Clearly Prohibited by the The Law Giver in interpreting the clear provisions of the Commandments, to input what is not there" it is because the light of the truth can be harsh to the eyes of them that for so long, have been in the dark.

It is your choice, to wallow in ignorance and not know what and why Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 clearly, directly, expressly forbids and prohibits man lying with man as with a woman. Notice that, unlike you, I had no need nor want, to add or change, what Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 says.

Squillaci:
Is the God assigned at birth?

Not necessarily in the true sense of the word, is God assigned at birth. At birth every human being is an atheist

Squillaci:
Will the number of gods always be greater than the human population?

Let's consider Hinduism that has a proliferation of gods. There are over 33 millions gods in Hinduism, while the world population, is circa 7 billion, so the total number of gods wont compute to be greater than the human population

Maximus69:
Don't worry, sebi few weeks ago you were begging for everyone on Nairaland to come and help you financially they were praying in Jesus name and contributing, why not tell them Jesus is fictional back then?

Well my own God can supply all my needs that's why i'm not begging those who will lash me with words before contributing kókú lo kárùn lo for anything! Psalms 23:1

You shameless beggar!

Maximus69:
Perhaps you don't know, let me enlighten you.
It was your wife (Lizzy\angel) who was begging in the name of Jesus Christ that made those believers yielded not because of your crocodile tears!

Vyzz:
For the igbo people....Everybody has his or her own CHI

MizMyColi:
Yes, I've been thinking about this bit a lot.
Like from when I was younger, I would hear my mom singing and saying chi nke Alex, chi Umu Isreal. It makes me wonder now.

Could it be that our fore father's deciphered this early on. Wouldnt it make sense then to pray to your God or relate with your God instead of forcing yourself to be adopted by other people's God?

Also, for people who pray and say Oh God of Oyedepo and Adeboye, answer me today...

Are they not undermining their own (chi)?

I think it would help for us to go within and connect to our own chi, source, or God.
Leave the God of the Israelites alone for now and watch your life transform for better.

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delkuf:
It is possible to have your own god, but there is only one God who have all the powers of heaven and Earth. He is Almighty God. He is the Creator of heaven and Earth and everything in it including you. And He is my Father. I believe in sent his son Jesus Christ to come and die for my sins and your sins and the sins of the whole world in the flesh and ressurected from the dead in the flesh.

MizMyColi:
I get your angle.
But my question to you is this:

Is the Almighty God the same one as the real God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

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MuttleyLaff:
You, lol, cant deny, that Chukwu, originates from two words, namely "chi" and it means god and another word "ukwu" which means, of course as you'll know, lol, it means big or huge like woman with big hips, back etcetera, lol, hence upon joined we have "chukwu"

Secondly, you also, cant deny that Chukwu, in the real sense of it, isn't Yahweh, the God in the Bible but simply is a god, that now, so as to pretend, is taken to be YHWH or Yahweh, the God in the Bible, lol.

Racist frosbel\2, is currently busy frantically trying to show us in the Bible, where in there, that say something about a white Jesus or even anything written about an imported white Jesus in it, lol. Good luck with that frosbel\2

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MizMyColi:
Hello Religion Section!
I've missed you, my friends

MuttleyLaff, how do you do!?
LoJ my dearest
Sarassin
Analice, long time o

Pardon my unremberance of monikers

MizMyColi! My dearest sister from another mother, nice to see you and to see you, nicely popping your head round in here. I am doing fine and all, thank you for asking.

Fyi LoJ has self destruct, meaning, the LoJ moniker, has long since, been kaput. The same goes for sarrasin too. Both monikers rested and/or fell on their swords. As for Analice, she has kept a low profile, hasn't for a long time actively featured on the Religion forum

MizMyColi:
So I have this question.

Is it possible that we all have our own God that we should be conversing with, and maybe not focus on the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as our God might be incompatible with theirs?

Just thinking out loud.

What do you think?

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them."
- Exodus 6:3

"This, then, is how you should pray:
'Our Father in heaven: May your holy name be honored; "
- Matthew 6:9

"I tell you, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John.
Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of God is greater than he is!”"
- Luke 7:28

"Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist;
yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
- Matthew 11:11

MizMyColi, it would interest you to know that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the universal God. You are conversing with the same God, that is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now, God, is God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and also the God of MizMyColi but are you aware that the God reveals Himself to you MizMyColi more than He revealed Himself to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, hmm?

MizMyColi, wetin, there is no way the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob is incompatible with the same God, who, also is the God of MizMyColi nah.
Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29 states, saying: "The LORD our God, the LORD is One" or if properly translated and exactly transliterated, then they'll be saying: "Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one"

MizMyColi, the thread's heading is titled and asking that: "Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)?" Of course it is possible that each individual has their own god, which you subconsciously accurately referred to as "chi" Now, the unfortunate thing, is that, ever since God took the adventure to create man in His image and likeness, man retrospectively has had the desire to want to return the favour and wilfully contravene "The Second commandment" this is talking about Exodus 20:4, that explicitly expresses that: "you shall not make for yourself, a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" by creating God in your image, according to an atypical representation, formulation, theory, perverted idea or any other classic misrepresentation of God

I am now cycling back a bit as I've got the sense that possibly due to me not giving explanations and/or biblical hermeneutics on Exodus 6:3, Matthew 6:9, Luke 7:28 and Matthew 11:11, the four verses referenced above, you likely was quite blasé about them, so here is the big deal about them.

As for Exodus 6:3, compared with the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, you are in a privileged and peculiar standing with God. The patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, only knew God as El-Shaddai or God Almighty, God was revealed to them only, as an Influential Being having complete power but not as God reveals to us that His name is Yahweh and Him being "I AM that I AM" which He demonstrated to the Israelites throughout the liberation and journey to the Promised Land. The privilege and peculiarity, you have, as being a daughter and/or woman of God, is that, God would be whatever is necessary for Him to be for you, just as He did, was and is for the Israelites.

As for Matthew 6:9, compared with the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Israelites/Jews, the concept of endearing God and addressing God as Father, was unheard of, until Jesus came up with that enlightenment teaching intro in Matthew 6:9, that we can form a personal relationship with God, up to the point of God, being a heavenly Father, who in our lives, provides us with care and protection. This is a given.

As for Luke 7:28 and/or Matthew 11:11, compared with the old guards and the Old Covenant, as a daughter/woman of God, you are because of the New Covenant, even if you're the least in the Kingdom of God, you are greater than the old guard, John the Baptist. I know it looks oxymoronic, but it is true that as a daughter/woman of God and of the New Covenant, you are a peculiar human being, you are a peculiar human being with a big God.

elated177:
No one is born a homosexual, bisexual or whatever sexuality apart from the natural, God-approved sexual relationship between a man and woman as sanctioned and sanctified in holy matrimony.

Sigh and smh, you seem to be throwing caution to the wind and allowing your "id" reign over your "ego" and "super-ego"

Science, because of new discoveries, keeps moving and shifting the goal post, but your lack of humility, if not checked, is going to lead you to your Waterloo

elated177:
Let's say, hypothetically of course, that a particular man or woman came out of his or her mother's womb craving another man's body or woman's body for sexual relationship, it does not change the fact that such craving is unnatural and abominable.

God was specific about what really in the practice and/or act was abominable to Him

Plastics are unnatural materials. African women straightening their hair is unnatural. Plastic surgery is unnatural. Driving adapted vehicles, steering the hand wheel with the foot, is unnatural, so please we live in a world of many unnatural

elated177:
Humans are designed by the Maker to have two legs and two hands. Naturally, humans come out of the womb with two legs and two hands. In some abnormal and very rare circumstances, some individuals come out of the womb with three or four legs. Do such cases make having four legs natural in humans?

In the beginning was not so, but since after eating the fruit of the TKGE, the Pandora box whole spectrum of what is good, beautiful and dandy, what is bad ugly and trashy was opened to spill out its content, be it natural or unnatural

elated177:
Humans come out of the womb as one individual, two as in twin, three as in triplets, four as in quadruplets, etc. Whatever the number, they all naturally come out one after the other. Each one as a separate individual with his or her physical human attributes and features.-- In some rare and abnormal circumstances, two individuals come out of the womb joined at the head, the stomach, the hip, etc. Does the existence of such an anomaly make it natural?

Co-joined twins recognize the difference between them and other humans. They recognize that simply because they are twin does not mean that they should be co-joined at any part of their part bodies. Other twins are proof to this fact. If they can, they will embrace the means of separating themselves in order to exist separately. The same goes for those with four legs or four hands.

Simply because a man or woman came out of his or her mother's womb, hypothetically, of course, craving sexual relationship with a person of the same sex, does not mean he or she should accept such an anomalous, unnatural and abnormal cravings. Such a man or a woman must realize that what he or she craves is unnatural, abnormal and, unlike in the cases of co-joined twins and four-legged or four-handed individuals, abominable and detestable.

[img]https://s7/images/SiameseTwins.jpg[/img]
You first brought up the issue of hypothetical, well lets speculate with the above fictitious story about the two Siamese twins, Ronnie and Donnie Galyon, who, as of July 4, 2020, aged 68, are now both late and with the reality of Matthew 19:12, that say, some were so born from their mother's womb to have same sex attraction, and imagine if one of the Siamese twins was straight and the other gay

I agree with you that, in the beginning, homosexual behaviour has not been the main choice, but ever since we started to live in a fallen world, homosexuality, just as like every other thing, when used correctly, serves an evolutionary purpose. Now the fact remains that what was practised in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is homosexual behaviour misused, abused and confused.

elated177, I hope you are aware that being gay, is not a choice for you and neither me, and so it isn't something natural to us, and so being heterosexual wouldn't be something natural to homosexual. Implying that homosexuality is biologically natural, but just not for someone like you and I

Now, I am going to share a video here for any to watch so for them to see how something might indeed have "gone right" in the development of homosexuality instead of something "gone wrong"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Khn_z9FPmU

The above video has a passionate talk from Dr. James O'Keefe MD, giving a deeply personal and fascinating insight into why homosexuality is indeed a necessary and extraordinarily useful cog in nature's wheel of perfection.

James H O'Keefe MD, is a Board Certified Cardiologist and Director of both the Charles & Barbara Duboc Cardio Health & Wellness Center and the Preventive Cardiology service at Saint Luke’s Mid America Heart Institute. He is also Professor of Medicine at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. His postgraduate training included a cardiology fellowship at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Dr O’Keefe is board-certified in Cardiology, Internal Medicine, Nuclear Cardiology, and Cardiac CT Imaging. He is consistently ranked among the ‘Top Doctor’ lists regionally and nationally as one of America’s Top Rated Physicians in Cardiology. He has been named as one of USA Today’s Most Influential Doctors. Dr O’Keefe has contributed more than 300 articles to the medical literature and has authored best-selling cardiovascular books for health professionals including: The Complete Guide to ECGs (which is used for Cardiology Board Certification), Dyslipidemia Essentials, and Diabetes Essential.

Janosky:
Nothing like that. Very spurious, sensational claim by Muttleylaff.
Who made the "Touch my anointed pre*eq and do my profits no harm" mantra popular?

The spirit of pedophilia & licentious debauchery is a hydra -headed monster in Christendom.

The nauseous fart of Christendom and the nauseous stench there from is not comparable to anything JWs were accused of.

I challenge you to name any daily newspaper you go open every week wey no get reports of your gods of men ('spirit filled' ,whatever that means ) pedophilia?

I am pleased you aren't making any attempt to refute the paedophilia charge et cetera cover ups within the JW organisation

Janosky:
Bros, stop exposing your hypocrisy and misquotation of the holy scriptures

"Muttleylaff Spirit filled" born again wey see nothing wrong in homosexuality is forming sanctimonious over a question arising from his own "spirit filled" revelation .

Tueh !!!!!!

Look at soot, looking for a kettle or pot to call a companion black

Dtruthspeaker:
Truthfully I can not see past The Laws and that that statement "it is an abomination" just makes it even worse.

I am sorry, this is as far, as I for now, I can do, you'll have to at this point, do the push yourself, as I cant push for you. You'll have to lift up the floorboards yourself, bend and peek to see whats under

Dtruthspeaker:
In my view it is like Adultery is Bad but Homosexuality is Worse based on How God called it "abominable" Twice,

Adultery is about infidelity, and it happens in heterosexual and homosexual relationships, so why is this particular form of homosexuals mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 worse, hmm?

Dtruthspeaker:
I fear the Laws so much so that I do not wish to enquire why a Worse Law is worse!

You fear only God, and not law(s). God has not given believers the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind for understanding. You havent understood the law concerning Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, this has made you develop the fear of the unknown

Dtruthspeaker:
To me it is like going to NEPA Power Station to enquire how and why the Power Station is dangerous while for me I am satisfied with just knowing the road to the Power Station so that I avoid them both.

This your "fight" or "flight" posture is perfectly understandable to relate with, but I would advise that, since you havent gotten the full information on the why and what is the abomination in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, then hold off discriminately firing your ammo

Janosky:
[s]Oturugbeke !!!

Bros, do you mean your missus dey chook
3rd leg apparatus inside your Yan*sh ?

Just asking Sha[/s]

Matthew 12:34, says:
"You brood of vipers! How can you speak good things, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

Maximus69, coma see one your "Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the Holy Spirit working in their midst ..." brethren. Smh. His ignorance knows no bounds

Maximus69:
That's why i often ignore you whenever you are asking for my opinion, now you refused to address the four questions, clearly you hate the truth.
Thank you!

Do you think I cease to exist, whenever you slide back and/or withdraw into your shell ni, hmm?

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the Holy Spirit working in their midst ..." indeed you claimed, but when I asked: "What is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit? What are the evidences, that clearly shows, demonstrates, reveals et cetera that someone has the Holy Spirit?" what did I get back, as a response, if not first grade drivel and the usual spin. Not a single answer related to the question asked was advanced, except you admiring yourself and the JW organisation in the mirror, literally asking it, who is fairest one of all. Sigh and smh

Did it cross your mind that, maybe if you had the decency to first answer my question(s), I might have felt obliged to reciprocate and answer your dead beat questions

If I wanted opinion, I will explicitly state thats what I am after. I asked for the truth and fact, not your opinion, that defo will change in the face of absolute truth and fact(s), so kindly shove your hollow and insincere "thank you" up where the sun dont shine

Dtruthspeaker:
I do love how you write!

To God be the glory

Dtruthspeaker:
Now let me share more of what I am absolutely certain of.

[img]https://s5/images/LetsHearThis.gif[/img]
I am all ears Dtruthspeaker, you have my undivided attention.

Dtruthspeaker:
First, it is Settled (I sure do hope so) that Exodus/Leviticus refers to the Lord's Commandments or Laws.

Being Laws, there are 3 categories of Laws which the Commandments fall into in here, being;

1) Prohibitive Laws (Must Never be Done) eg "Thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife",

2) Instructive Laws (ye shall keep my statutes) and

3) Permissive Laws (and if ye offer a sacrifice of Peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will).

Now, the Provision in Leviticus 18:22 falls into Prohibitive Laws and the word "it is an abomination" reasonably shows the great hatred for the doing of that specific act thereby increasing the Severity of its Prohibition!

This is my humble submission

"Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved,
clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience."
- Colossians 3:12

"Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride,
but in humility consider others more important than yourselves"
- Philippians 2:3

Dtruthspeaker, you see brother, the common denominator among Psalm 138:6, Proverbs 3:34, Proverbs 29:23, Matthew 23:12, Luke 1:52, Luke 14:11, James 4:6 and 1 Peter 5:5, is that God exalts the humble. God opposes the proud, the likes who have shown their faces on this thread but gives grace to the humble. I just need to put it out there, that I thank God for the humility, you've consistently displayed not just on this thread but also noticed upandan the Religion forum.

I appreciate your beautiful breakdown above concerning the three categories of Laws which the Commandments fall into, but I was expecting that by now, you would have already investigated, probed and examined Leviticus 18:22, closely and thoroughly, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, would have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, is going on, in Leviticus 18:22 and then on top, got to know why and how this particular act, behaviour, practice is "abominable" or "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera.

What specifically, is it that is abominable in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. What is it and why is it abominable. There is another verse that throws more light on what the act is, but I'll leave it for the Holy Spirit to guide and reveal it to you.

Dtruthspeaker:
For, permit me to share another thing I uncovered and I now know.

Based on the Commandments, we know that which is sin. Now, what is sin?

The short cut answer is Sin refers to "that which offends", therefore, "offence".

Offence refers to "that which grieves a person".

How do Offences occur? Christ supplied the Answer, to wit- "Trespass"

What is Trespass? Trespass refers to Any Breach , Infringement, violation or interference of the Natural Rights of Another Person.

Therefore, Sin = Offences = Trespass!

Therefore, where there is a Trespass, Some One Must be Complaining about it.

Therefore, by the Commandments, God is already telling us before hand what matters He is going to complain about and which He shall carry out any action He deems fit to remedy the Wrong or Sin or Offence or Trespass!

Upon the Law "Where there is a Wrong, there Must Be A Remedy"

And remember, even our "bodies" are not "Solely" ours, so as we say in Law, God has an Equitable Interest or He is a Co-owner of Us hence Joint Ownership!

Which means when we use ourselves, in a manner inconsistent with His Rights, He Must Complain and He can maintain an action against us for Wrongful use and Trespass of our "bodies".

My humble submission!

I appreciate your honesty, sincerity and straightforwardness. Please allow me to drop that from a Hebrew/Jewish POV, sin, in a simplest and purest form, means missing the mark. It is like, shooting an arrow, at archery target rings but miss hitting the centred inner bulls-eye ring.

A&E, missed the mark in the garden of Eden and so at the last hour, sinned and consequently failed to achieve a result that was intended. "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end", so says God, in Jeremiah 29:11, but we aren't talking of A&E here, we are dealing with the Israelites and their arrival on the land of Canaan, the Promised Land of inheritance, the land flowing with milk and honey and we specifically, are talking of both Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

Please again I warn to let us not get ahead of ourselves, but to limit ourselves to the context and confines of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, otherwise, we will fall victim to doing an eisegesis of them two verses, namely Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

I'll give you time to go find out what you'll be able to uncover and know more about concerning Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

Maximus69:
[s]Just thoroughly meditate on the underlined!

Then answer the following questions

(1) Apart from far away news of JWs in foreign lands how many JWs has been accused/ caught or arrested in your own locality for pedophilia?

(2) Jesus was betrayed by Judas Iscariot and denied by Peter, the two were Apostles (closest confidants). Please does this implies that Jesus' claim of being the best counselor the word ever had untrue?

(3) Since two out of his twelve closest confidants are not trust worthy, should we conclude that we can equate Jesus' teachings with that of his religious critics of whom such reports of betrayal was never mentioned in the scriptures?

(4) If Jesus' own closest confidants could betray and deny him publicly, should people believe in Jesus as the Wonderful Counselor Isaiah prophesied about? Isaiah 9:6 [/s]

Thank you for reinforcing my point, that JW is not immune to the spirit of paedophilia and that the spirit of paedophilia reigns amongst the rank and file, even leadership of the organisation.

I simply, was letting you know, to thoughtfully meditate before readily jumping on, to start painting a sanctimonious, holier-than-the-rest Jehovah Witnesses picture here because by your very own admission, the JW organisation does fart and it, does smell, because it isn't a deodorised farts nor does it smell, like a bed of roses

elated177:
Don't worry about my soul. My soul is rooted in my Maker, Yahveh of Hosts.

You have a false sense of security that your soul is rooted in your Maker, Yahveh of Hosts, who easily can and/or will pull a surprise Matthew 7:23, Luke 13:25 and Luke 13:27 on you, for you not making every effort to enter through the narrow door.

elated177:
Worry about your own soul, muttleylaff, since you are here expending so much energy defending the abominable and while at it, unashamedly twisting the Scriptures without a single solitary care in the world.

This is soft work and grace for me, it is not expending so much energy at all. I have in no way defended what is abominable or disagreeable to God. God does not find agape love between two consenting adults as something that's abominable or disagreeable to Him. It is you who because of your shallowness, lack of depth, ignorance, cluelessness and your sheer ineptitude of contextually understanding isolated bible verse, that pathologically and unashamedly is twisting the Scriptures without a genuine legitimate single solitary care in the world

elated177:
Answer the questions first.

I had already answered the question. If you hadn't noticed, I am the first to comment on the thread with answers

Maximus69:
Obedience can only be true if we are all under the same group!

As long as you're all advocates of personal choice of worship, the spirit of disobedience will continue to reign amongst you.

Though members of JW forbids premarital sex and homosexuality, adultery et cetera, JW is not immune to the spirit of paedophilia. The spirit of paedophilia reigns amongst the rank and file of the organisation.

Maximus69:
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the Holy Spirit working in their midst that's why the spirit is carrying them along as one family! John 17:21-23; Romans 15:5-6; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

"⁴There are different spiritual gifts, but the same Spirit gives them.
⁵There are different ways of serving, and yet the same Lord is served.
⁶There are different types of work to do, but the same God produces every gift in every person.
⁷The evidence of the Spirit's presence is given to each person for the common good of everyone.
⁸The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak with wisdom.
The same Spirit gives another person the ability to speak with knowledge.
⁹To another person the same Spirit gives [courageous] faith.
To another person the same Spirit gives the ability to heal.
¹⁰Another can work miracles.
Another can speak what God has revealed.
Another can tell the difference between spirits.
Another can speak in different kinds of languages. Another can interpret languages.
¹¹There is only one Spirit who does all these things by giving what God wants to give to each person"
- 1 Corinthians 12:4-11

Some people just like cultivating and preaching the gospel of self-deluding hypocrisy sha. Smh. What is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit? What are the evidences, that clearly shows, demonstrates, reveals et cetera that someone has the Holy Spirit?