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FOLYKAZE:
Oh common! It is my label, my game.

FOLYKAZE:
Lagbaja has said it. A meat is reported missing in the pot, and lamori said the meat is not salty, commonsense should tell that lamori is the thief who stole the meat... Hahahaha

FOLYKAZE:
Some people built a tower. And they got punished for their action.

FOLYKAZE:
You claim Mr S and Mr J were not involved in the project, but shared from the punishment.

FOLYKAZE:
Matthew Poole is not conforming with your submissions at all.

FOLYKAZE:
1. He claimed Nimrod migrated from Assyria to Shinar. There is no evidence to this claim in the bible.
2. His migration pattern is from one geographical location to another point. It has no spiritual undertone as you suggested.

FOLYKAZE:
Please share

Share ko. Chair ni
I am not going to waste the share on undeserving you, bar than sign post you to Genesis chapter 10 (i.e. the first half) Good luck on the road that leads to satori

FOLYKAZE:
Leave the mudslinging for pigs, the blood bath is for big cats

You really have turned deplorable worse and disgracefully rotten sha and would use whatever tactic, so just to have one over.

Seem you have conveniently chosen to forget that it was you living in a glass house that was throwing stone, nitpicking on my fat finger typo(s) and omission(s), spotting errors, behaving as if, you yourself don't fart. Now when I, in return, ent on to, pick up and show all your grammatical errors, misspellings, your not able to be understood sentence constructions, you're now resorted to using this insincere sentimental claptrap

kkins25:
in order words, you mean to "fore know every human act" is the computation of the the multitude of choices or the sum probability of an event occurring, that is the infinite plethora of causes and effects of which only one outcome is possible. common men, pick a dice(with six sides, duh!) you know there is a 1/6 chances of any outcome. To open the game you have to play a six, you see- when God rolled the dice with Adam and eve, he didn't expect it to hit less than 6. when the disgracing and shameful little number one popped up, God ran MAD. He knew it was possible, but didn't think that he'd fail -being the Genius He is.

kkins25:
When he sent out his word to Adam saying, ".. of the fruit of knowledge of Good and Evil, thou shall not eat of.." i do not think His "words" did everything He sent them to.

kkins25:
of course. I can do the same with a horse and a donkey when i want them to cross breed. Or with a cat and a dog when i want them to bare teeth. I necessarily not be the utmost of powers to do this.

kkins25:
like as if it was God who wrote the scripture. Has jesusjnr2020 hacked your account and is typing as you ??

kkins25:
Please go back to my dice analogy. it was a possible outcome. should in-case you've forgotten the formula, it is; number of required outcomes/ total number of possible outcome. Hence 1/2 for Adam and 1/2 for Eve.

kkins25:
if foreknowledge were the only criteria then truly we are saved by grace and nothing more. works are rendered useless.

kkins25:
what then is the essence of giving to the poor, visiting the widow, and praying for healing for the sick?
_{"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."-James 1:27}

kkins25:
Are you saying God created me to fight against the Christendom and Islamic world? Are you saying, Saddam Hussein was fulfilling his predestined life when he maneuvered the plane into the world trade center at 9/11?

kkins25:
We have all been born to experience this life with the gift of Free will bestowed upon us by the God of Biology whom i adore amongst others. Before i Became Kkins25 i was energy with no brain and mind to experience life, i was but a minuscule portion of the Unified theory of Everything(whatever it may be), existing in parts shared equally between my biological parents. However, when my fathers penis robbed- vigorously, the wet tissues of my mothers vagina, he gave up- unwillingly, the portion of me residing in him. i raced against my brothers, lo and behold, veni vidi vici- thus, I AM.
My purpose in life is one in which God has assigned for me. Don't rejoice when i say God, for God is a many things sir, the God i speak of is the one called Leo who's mane portrays the magnificent image of the sun. why don't you give this a try and tell me what you think

petra1:
Yes of course it’s an insult to christ . What did he die for. We are supposed to heal the sick not to be running away from Ailment . I had so much faith to lay hand on a COVID patient . But one day I went to a shopping mall in Ikeja and I had to observe all the washing , sanitizing , distancing etc after waiting in line for about 20 minutes of this process I was overwhelmed with the consciousness of infection

By the time I got In. I was seeing virus even on the shelves ! When I got home I could not hug people as usual , I Almost washed all the things I bought . I had to start praying in the spirit until every thought of it vanish from my consciousness . So wearing of mask in church only glorify the devil and kill faith

jesusjnr2020:
Don't worry fool! I would be coming for you soon. Just in case my silence to your foolishness made you feel like I was a coward and gave you the encouragement to continue following me like a shadow.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]You're going to tell us soon if you've repented of your homosexuality or not. Prepare your answers because i'm coming for you in a way that you could have never imagined. Watch this space...[/s]

kkins25:
i laughed hard men!!!!! "NL homosexual champion"

jesusjnr2020:
[s]The bolded is a proof that you're a true son of the devil who is the father of all liars. Because you could accuse me without having to say such malicious lies against me. When did I who have made countless of threads here against that very grievous sin in the sight of God, say that homosexuality was a good thing? Why not provide just one instance of that to proof you're not demonically influenced?

That's one of the reasons MuttleyLaff the NL homosexual champion who has clearly shown himself to have engaged in the abominable act in the past or is still doing so has launched ceaseless assaults on my person.

It's obvious you know it's a lie, but anything even such a blatant lie to get back at someone who speaks against mammon the god whom you serve would suffice.[/s]

DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

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DrLiveLogic:
Meanwhile,

#BONUS#
DID YOU KNOW?
That angels are not sons of God in the true sense of the word. Now before you come at me, chill out! and grab a cup of coffee, uh, no, no, soda's better. LMAO. I know you wanna refer me to Job 1:3 and Genesis 6:2&4 where they're called sons of God. You're right. Even the Hebrew word, 'Ben' used to address the angels is the original word for 'son'. Prolly know all that. But!!!....what you didn't know about the Hebrew word used for sons is more important. That word 'Ben' meaning son is used by the Hebrews in a way that's too much for our English of today to convey. It doesn't just refer to a male child like in English, but actually refers to a male child who is fully grown and able to take full responsibility for the family in His father's stead - a delegate or ambassador of the family. It is for the one who can speak when the father is absent and his word stands as if it were the father's.
In hebrew culture, a male child will officially attain sonship at the age of thirty and will have been thoroughly trained in the legacy of the family prior. We see then that the son arises from both procreation and then maturity/training for delegation.
This is the original Hebrew concept of the word son. However just as language often develops, the word 'Ben' was later derived to be applied to delegates or representatives in general even without blood ties. So we would call employees acting in a company as representatives the sons of that company or its owner even though having no blood ties. Mere servants, depending on their status, could therefore be called 'Ben' (sons) in the sense of delegates.
In this sense, before Abraham had a child of his, Isaac(Jesus typology), he called Eleazar out of all his employees, the son of his house, Genesis 15:3.
Also Priest Eli's boys, as well as many others through scripture were called 'sons of Belial', 1Sam 2:12, Judg 19: 22, because they represented Belial's legacy. Job was called the greatest of the sons of the East, Job 1:3 as in those to be reckoned in the Eastern region. Many who served prophets were called sons of the prophets, 1Kin 20:35, 2 Kings 2:3, though having no blood ties with the prophet. Leviathan, is called King of all the sons of pride.
Job 41:34 He is seen in all haughty ones and is king over all the sons of pride

All the above are not son-father relationships but more like official or role-based relationships, say, servant-master.
It is in this derived sense of 'Ben' and not the original, that certain angels who had a high status to represent the Godhead as delegates were called sons of God. It has nothing to do with having the Godhead DNA. Only members of the Godhead have this, found in the blood of Jesus, which he died to gift humanity so Adam will fulfill his destiny of becoming a son of God. Hence in NT, Jesus is distinctly called the 'only-begotten' son of God (the only one having the DNA, no angel does) i.e. a son in the original sense of the Hebrew word. Angels are mere servants and delegates but Jesus acts the role of servant and true Son(in the true sense).

PS: Look out for the sequel thread soon where I unravel the mystery of the 3- in-1 and 1-in-3 Godhead in the simplest and practical explanation.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]There may have been some misleading things he's done or said in the past, but I think he's one of the few church leaders that's led by example and reacted well to the crises.[/s]

alBHAGDADI:
You all remember that magic wand used by Pastor Adeboye of RCCG which he told his church members to look up to for healing, right?

Well, the clergyman apparently doesn't believe in the magic of the magic wand going by how he rocked a face shield to protect himself from COVID-19.

Below is a picture of Pastor Adeboye, his wife and son all geared up against COVID-19 while magic wand is jobless at home.

Who spotted the hand sanitizer occupying a special seat?

MuttleyLaff:
As time is a snitch, time definitely, will tell, lol. Bad habits, though, are hard to break from, also a leopard doesnt change its black spots, lol.

Hell will have to first freeze up for any chance of a jesusjnr 3-day resurrection, lol. Thinks that's how "jnr" operates and/or works, lol. Of course why and/or how does this cat have more than nine lives, it's because of the various incognito monikers now.

budaatum is feeling guilty jesusjnr rested on her sword because its budaatum who gave jesusjnr a way out, the chance to climb and get out of the deep big hole she dug and jumped herself into. Courtesy the dare, jesusjnr, now has the chance to re-brand and to like a phoenix, rise out of the ashes she cowardly died in.

The doing of jesusjnr anyway, was something predictable. In the end it happened and it's right. She had a good run, had the time of her life, but at the end of the day, I'll always say about her, that good riddance to bad rubbish. The forum is a better place and safer without jesusjnr

[img]https://s5/images/TrappedByMuttleyLaffHahaha.gif[/img]
The unrepentant and shameless incessant troll got trapped, caught in a tight corner, then turned into a deer in the headlights of budaatum's car and thereafter helplessly got herself checkmated by budaatum's black Queen, and so she cowardly had no choice than to lean forward and firmly rest on her sharp pointed out sword, lol, bwahahaha. A shortest fool's mate that seemed and looked like a longest because we all had to wait until the 31st to see blood.

MuttleyLaff:
Smh. so you want to tell me that you dont know what difference "absolute" means when I used that as my starting off point, hmm?

Smh. Before you were conceived and even born from your mother womb, God had already before you being on the board, had experienced every move on the board until the end that you've made. He has seen all your blunders, your silly moves, your suicidal move, your check mate yourself moves, but still allows you to comes into existence because creativity should never be aborted, killed off, truncated, stifled et cetera. You are part of the Godhead's creative energy, and no matter where you are going to end up, you have creative rights to exist so to express yourself, equipped with freewill. I won't go further on than here, bar you lead me to shed more light

jesusjnr2020:
I find it very strange that I had to travel through many comments here, before I could get to one which stated the most decisive factor with respect to your question @haddeylium which is freewill.

Freewill is what everything hinges on. The outcome of man's freewill is what determines and predestinates the future. And the freewill was deliberately given to man by God because He didn't want a fixed outcome but a multiple one and He wanted the outcome to be determined by man.

So God knew it could pan out either way, and He's prepared for whatever comes out of man's freewill.

Therefore the answer to your question is that God is omniscient and He knows the future and everything else as far as the world was concerned, but He didn't fix it, man did! By the choices he made.

It's been quite a while bro. I do hope you're doing great.

Thanks and God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
@ bolded exactly reason I missed his stating of freewill and saw yours first. Yet he wondered why, but it seems he later saw that the freewill he stated was opposed to everything else he was saying, hence his modifying his comment.

jesusjnr2020:
Predestination and freewill cannot operate at the same time in the same instance. It's either this or that.

jesusjnr2020:
God is not willing that any man perishes but that all come to repentance. So it cannot be said that God predestinated some to perish when it wasn't His Will.

haddeylium:
[s]I can see you've made up your mind already
You've ever considered a chances of being wrong?
What if what you have is not the complete truth?
You ever considered seeking God's accurate knowledge aligning with what 'God of love' that want good things for his creatures teaches?..

What's the yes or no questions you asked?
I think I answered everything....
It's left to you to believe what the Bible teach...[/s]

haddeylium:
[s]Alright, you believe Adam's sin was God's will, God's plan right?
So, I'm saying...
If I were to do something you wanted me to do...would you condemn for it?
If Adam's sin was God's will, why was Adam driven out of the garden as sinner?

Jah is a God of love(1 John 4:8 )- would it be loving to condemn someone for what you planned them to do?

It's not God will for Adam to sin, he warned them against it(2:17)

Adam like us has freewill that God gave him to choose what he would do.
Adam chooses to rebel against God.

If you follow this aptly and open-mindedly giving sincere answers from a neutral view. It will give you answers to the truth you seek.

Shalom[/s]

FOLYKAZE:
Oga Muttley, stop playing the ostrich game here. There is nothing in those verses that indicated descent of Shem and Japheth took any direction aside the East.

I am still challenging you, again and again, if you have any evidence from the Bible, you should drop it here.

FOLYKAZE:
That substance had better be magic mushroom dust... It is a natural substance that takes one into climax, where heaven and earth would be under your feat. I wish you can try magic mushroom, way better than green algae una dey line up to buy at molete.

Please drop "thr" cheap crack. It has led you into making typo errors, or dropping incoherent fancy twists.

In your own words
Your bible sub literacy is affecting you understanding Bible 101 basics, like what does East, imply and convey. If not you would have understood what in biblical language does it mean jot journey eastways away from God.

FOLYKAZE:
I didn't clearly don't understand what you meant or point you were trying to drive with the statement above. I only reconstructed and came with this:

FOLY, if you had understood the bible vividly, you would have seen that East, when used in the scripture, implies opposite direction of where God is.

FOLYKAZE:
Therefore, God is in the west, and satan is in the east.

FOLYKAZE:
This is why I asked if Eden in the east is in the ungodly foot of satan.

FOLYKAZE:
You are not supporting your claim with Bible or viewpoint of bible scholars.

FOLYKAZE:
1. The Bible didn't state particularly that Nimrod built the tower. That is simply the idea of Christian and Jewish traditions.

FOLYKAZE:
2. Gen 11:1 stated clearly that the people referred to are whole world populace. I have submitted view of Bible scholars to support this.

FOLYKAZE:
Oga stop bamboozling me with fancy words.

FOLYKAZE:
Gen 11:1 states that the whole world populace spoke one language.

At Gen 11:2, you deviated and said the people involved in building the tower are descendants of Ham, excluding Shem and Japheth.

Reading Gen 11:7, we found that the language of descents of Ham was confounded. Meanwhile, according to you, the language of the descent of Shem and Japheth were not tempered with.

This implies, unless at a point God tempered with the language of Shem and Japheth which you are yet to substantiate, the descent of Shem and Japheth should be speaking one language today. New language cannot just appear magically unless God has caused it.

And the absence of one language among the descent of Shem and Japheth buttress that they are involved in the building of the tower, and in that process got their own tongue confounded too

FOLYKAZE:
The letter is written in red color here. I be Learner na. Lol

FOLYKAZE:
It seems you ain't pleased with the commentary. Ok, here is another justifying my point

https://www.bibleref.com/Genesis/11/Genesis-11-2.html

Down the line at Gen 11:9, it reads
Genesis 11:9 (ESV): 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth. And from there the LORD dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

1. The commentaries including another supporting bible verse stated that the language of the whole earth was confounded. This include all the three sons of Noah.

FOLYKAZE:
2. Descents of Shem and Japheth are all involved in the project. It was a collective efforts of people of one language.

FOLYKAZE:
There is no correlation between Eliphaz narration and tower of babel incident.
They are two different scenarios.

FOLYKAZE:
It is what it is.

haddeylium:
I read and see how you're contradicting yourself
Loll

haddeylium:
Your sincere answers to the following questions will free you of this illusion
Do you believe in freewill?
If Adam and Eve are predestined to go against God...why then were they punished?
Were they not following the script?
Who then should be blamed for all the suffering, injustice in this word?

adoyi8:
What will happen to your Igbo ancestors that did not know or believe in Jesus before they died. Remember that Jesus said he is the only way to God so it means that all your ancestors will be roasted in hell for not believing something they did not hear while you their descendant will be bowing day and night singing praises to the wicked being that is roasting your ancestors unjustly. I pity for you.

diridiri:
They died due to the white man's acts of barbarism, which he did in the name of this god whom you so fervently worship. Don't be ignorant.

MuttleyLaff:
They have been dying many moons and moons ago, long before even the white man ever dreamt of setting foot on the Atlantic shore

diridiri:
Yes, because people die, but the person I was replying to was acting like they died because of divine judgement from God the all forgiving. I was just pointing out that white men caused a lot of deaths in their attempt to "spread the good gospel of god" a god who would never have allowed something like that to happen if he were just.

Blabbermouth:
I am the script-writer?

Blabbermouth:
Cool! That means I am Foreordaining my own future.

Blabbermouth:
Unfortunately, when I realized that God already knows what I will write even before I was born, we are back to square one again as WHAT I WILL WRITE is totally dependent on WHAT GOD HAS FOREKNOWN ... If God already foreknew that I will choose hell, then this poor boy is helpless because he cannot be right while God is wrong. You see, the puzzle is yet to be solved.

MuttleyLaff:
It will be a violation of creativity rights and/or abuse of artistic rights to, because of whether one is bad or good, such should be denied the right of expression and freedom of freely without inhibitions to express themselves.

Remember the saying, that a nation gets the leaders and/or government it's deserves, meaning that wherever and however you end, you defo will deserve to be there, so just live life to the best of your ability, understanding and nature. If it's good you excel in, do. If it's evil, you excel in, do. We all will reap what we sow.

Blabbermouth:
Now I understand you completely (97%) and i know where you stand on the matter. Also, I noticed your unwillingness to be blunt and straight with your answer, that's understood (everyone that has penned answers down also did the same). Still, I've caught the essence of your replies, thanks.

MuttleyLaff:
Now this is the thing, no where in scripture will you find God say He does not know. When God exercises anthropomorphism, as in meaning the times, He appears(ed) to us or manifests Himself to us in human form or even attributes to Himself human characteristics, it doesnt mean God is deficient, insufficient and/or lacking in any particular department/faculty

haddeylium, here are a few easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions I would really like you respond to and they are:
2/ Why were names written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain, if not because of foreknowledge?

haddeylium:
I don't quite understand your second question:
and can you quote the Bible verse here

MuttleyLaff:
Now this is the thing, no where in scripture will you find God say He does not know. When God exercises anthropomorphism, as in meaning the times, He appears(ed) to us or manifests Himself to us in human form or even attributes to Himself human characteristics, it doesnt mean God is deficient, insufficient and/or lacking in any particular department/faculty

haddeylium, here are a few easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions I would really like you respond to and they are:
1/ Did God not foreknow that A&E will eat of the TKGE well in advance before it happened?

haddeylium:
4.Haddeylium--Maybe you skipped some scripturesMaybe you skipped some scriptures
God said he's a friend to Abraham, remember?
So when he went to the point of sacrificing his only son for him.
God said
*For now I do know that you are God-fearing* in that you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.”​—Ge 18:19; 22:11, 12; compare Ne 9:7, 8;
Jehovah's said, he knows now!
Would you say he already know prior that time in contrasts to the scripture?

Haddeylium--
5.God wants Adam and Eve to be fruitful and subdue it and commanded them not to eat from knowledge of Good and bad(Gen 1:28; 2:26,17)

Would you encourage your children to embark on a journey knowing it was doomed to failure?
You won't right?... would you warn them of the harm to avoid it in exercising their freewill right?
If you can't , why then attribute such to God?

Even Jesus said in Matthew 77:11
If you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him?”

The implications of God's foredaining of humans sins means that he's responsible for all the wickedness and immorality in this world but God's word teaches otherwise
It's unscriptural

jesusjnr2020:
I find it very strange that I had to travel through many comments here, before I could get to one which stated the most decisive factor with respect to your question @haddeylium which is freewill.

Freewill is what everything hinges on. The outcome of man's freewill is what determines and predestinates the future. And the freewill was deliberately given to man by God because He didn't want a fixed outcome but a multiple one and He wanted the outcome to be determined by man.

So God knew it could pan out either way, and He's prepared for whatever comes out of man's freewill.

Therefore the answer to your question is that God is omniscient and He knows the future and everything else as far as the world was concerned, but He didn't fix it, man did! By the choices he made.

It's been quite a while bro. I do hope you're doing great.

Thanks and God bless.

Blabbermouth:
I am the script-writer? Cool! That means I am Foreordaining my own future. Unfortunately, when I realized that God already knows what I will write even before I was born, we are back to square one again as WHAT I WILL WRITE is totally dependent on WHAT GOD HAS FOREKNOWN ... If God already foreknew that I will choose hell, then this poor boy is helpless because he cannot be right while God is wrong. You see, the puzzle is yet to be solved.

FOLYKAZE:
I had askes you to simply tell us, using facts from the Bible, what directions Shem and Japheth took if they didn't take the eastern direction.

FOLYKAZE:
And all you could came up with is that East is a spiritual term for ungodly ways. Common Muttley, I had thought you ain't smoking? When did you join Khalifa, MrPresident, and Buzugee gangs?

FOLYKAZE:
Remember in Gen 2:8, the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east. Does it mean he planted the garden in the ungodly foot of satan? Common Muttley, you are more than this.

FOLYKAZE:
Go into the bible again, tell us what direction Shem and Japheth took.

FOLYKAZE:
Lamentations 3:37, who speaks and have it done unless God decrees it?

Descents of Shem and Japheth language couldn't have changed unless God decreed it. But since you say they are neither involved in the building non their language confounded, how then do you say they speak another tongue today?

FOLYKAZE:
Hahaha. Bravo sir!

Gen 11:2 commentary as found on https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/genesis-11-2.html

And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east

"That is, the inhabitants of the whole earth; not Ham and his posterity only, or Nimrod and his company; but as all the sons of Noah and his posterity for a while dwelt together, or at least very near each other, and finding the place where they were too scanty for them, as their several families increased, they set out in a body from the place where they were, to seek for a more convenient one:"

FOLYKAZE:
You are simply turning the whole Bible upside down.

You said, in your own words that Eliphaz was only recounting what happened during the Noahide flood in Job 22:15-17. The people against God during Noah days were already gone with the deluge. Verse 16 included " their foundations were swept away by a river."... The people referred to here are simply those of Noah days who are already extinct during the construction of Babel. As a matter of fact, Eliphaz referenced Noah days, not Nimrod days. So there is no correlations.

And back to the issue before we digressed, how come the world populace according to Gen 11:1 are only descent of Ham as you stated? What happen to descent of Shem and Japheth?

FOLYKAZE:
I really don't subscribe to religious aspect of ATR. I focuses rather on philosophical and spirituality aspect of Isese only.

haddeylium:
I feel attracted to the question...
I don't know if I'm allowed to jump on it?
I'm doing that anyway....loll

Answers to God know knowing the future is broad but with the OP replies to others that commented....I think he's interested in if God foreknowedd or predestined humans acts..

haddeylium:
Since God granted us freewill, it wouldn't have been genuine if he knows the outcome of our life course

haddeylium:
Someone quoted (Is-46:10)- Truly God has the power to foreknow an even and it course as with regards to the prophesy he gave. But, the Bible teaches that God is selective when it comes to foreknowing things

haddeylium:
Example is what happened in Sodom and gomorah...their wickedness then
The quoted verse said
"I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” (Ge18:20-22; 19:1). He even had to sent his angel to confirm and know what happened. And other examples like that
So, Selective foreknowledge means that God could choose not to foreknow indiscriminately all the future acts of his creatures.

haddeylium:
God presented the prospect of everlasting life to everybody and it's attainable, just like through Moses to the Isrealite
God's word is again saying;
“I have put life and death before you, . . . and you must choose life . . . by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him; for he is your life and the length of your days.” (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20)(nwt)

Blabbermouth:
I love your illustration and I am almost close to understanding you completely.

Blabbermouth:
Unfortunately, the one God watched was NOT a live match! As it wasn't my effort nor was it yours (since we were yet to exist then)...

Blabbermouth:
So, the question is still valid;
Who directed the match?
Ps: Do not omit the fact that we were yet to exist.

DappaD:
Very well then.

Jehovah God applies his ability of foreknowledge to foreknow and foreordain events of salvation and deliverance, as well as acts of judgment and punishment, and then to bring such events to fulfillment. Isaiah 45:21, 55:10,11
He dispenses such knowledge about these future events to his prophets which we find in the Bible. (Isaiah 42:9, Amos 3:7)
Events such as the coming of the great Flood, destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the entrance of the Israelites into the Promised Land, the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, the destruction and desolation of Babylon, the return of the Jews from Babylonian exile and other events such as these were ALL foretold by God that such would happen and they also had their fulfillment (Genesis 6:17/7:11, 19:13-15/24-25, Jeremiah 50:45,51:11,Isaiah 13:17, 21:9//Daniel 5:30, Jeremiah 24:6,29:10-11/Ezra 2:1).
There are also prophecies that we are awaiting to be fulfilled in the future (Psalm 37:10,11,29, Isaiah 25:8,33:24,35:5-7, John 5:28,29/Acts 24:15, 1 Corinthians 15:26, 2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1-4)

But if you notice here, these prophecies affect people on a general scale and not individually. So yes, God has the ability to foretell the future in accordance with his will for his people in general. In our day, the prophecies about the future will affect mankind in general.


How about on an individual level? Is there any set-out plan by God for every individual? Apparently not, because we are all free moral agents and if it were so then that would mean that God shows favouritism or is impartial. But the Scriptures help us to know that Jehovah God is not impartial. See Job 34:19, Acts 10:34,35, Romans 2:11, Ephesians 6:9
So he does not predestine the fate of every individual for that would mean he is impartial.
In general, Jehovah's will for humans is for them to be know the truth, be saved and have everlasting life (John 17:3, 1Timothy 2:4, 2Peter 3:9)
He desires for the wicked and rebellious humans to change from their wicked ways and choose the good life (Ezekiel 33:11)
So as you can see yourself, nothing from the Scriptures support predestinarianism i.e. the belief that all humans have the fate already decided by God.

Since we were created with free will and weren't programmed like robots, God has also given us the freedom to decide what we want for ourselves as intelligent creatures.
If he wants to pry into our personal dealings and our future, that would sadden his heart because the hearts of mortal men is filled with wicked things (Genesis 6:5-6, Psalm 78:40,41). So Jehovah decides to refrain from knowing such things so as to remain the happy God! – 1Timothy 1:11

Blabbermouth:
An interesting read, I will save your reply...

Blabbermouth:
@the bolded, like I said to someone on this thread, turning to the idea of "selective foreknowledge" does not solve the puzzle.
You said "God does not want to pry into our future"....
That paints a scenario where our future (perhaps in the form of a book or movie) has already been written. To remain happy, God chose not to read the book or see this "future movie"...
If this is so, then we should not be shy from answering this;
Who wrote that book/directed that movie or say, who wrote that "our future" that God does not want to pry into?

Truvel:
[s]Argueing With An Atheist Is A Waste Of Time[/s].

DappaD:
Okay. Understood now.

I'll posit my question first, before answering yours.

All I need is a Yes/No answer before I proceed.
Are you among those who believe in DESTINY? i.e. the so-called divine set-out plan for a person by God?

I'm asking because so-called Christians and most of the world populace believe in this concept of destiny

Blabbermouth:
Sir, just take it as I don't know much.
Please do justice to my question.

Blabbermouth:
Using this scenario, the final result of the game has already been determined by the match itself!
In my case, I haven't played any match (I'm yet to exist), so if there was a casette/movie of me pre-doing all the things I'm doing right now and all the things I'm yet to do, the big question is; Who directed the Movie?
Is it God or the yet-to-exist ME?

Blabbermouth:
From your response, I deduced that you believe that it is God himself that predestined where I will end up and he allowed me to exist for a while in order to showcase his creativity, that's a very bitter sweet.

Blabbermouth:
Let's see this together, shall we?
2Peter 3:9 - "... But is (The Lord is) patient towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance
How can this Loving God that doesn't want me to perish also decided to predestine innocent Blabbermouth for hell? Paul was clear, God does not want me to perish!!!

Blabbermouth:
Fortunately and unfortunately, it's either you are wrong or Apostle Paul is wrong.
Perhaps I was a bit forward. Will you do justice to bridge the notion that God predestined hell for me with the fact that God doesn't want me to perish?

Blabbermouth:
I want to know the answer to this question; Does God know if I will end up in Heaven or Hell?
If he knows, I want to know who predetermined "Hell" or "Heaven" for me.
Sir MuttleyLaff, Who predetermined that I will end up in "hell"?