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elated177:
Lol!

Chai! This guy, muttleylaff!

Here is a chronic and an unrepentant, dyed-wool defender and promoter of homosexuality - an act explicitly condemned in the Scriptures - telling somebody to pray for the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Haahaaaa! Wonders shall never end!

Which Holy Spirit are you on about, Mr muttleylaff? Are there two types of Holy Spirits?

Would you say that you, muttleylaff, have the Set-apart(Holy) Spirit of the Most High?

No follower of the Creator of the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them will fail to recognize his voice through his Spirit as far as the abominable nature of homosexuality is concerned.

elated177:
And you claim that you are not into homosexuality? Heeheee! No one who expends so much energy defending the disgusting and abominable act of homosexuality can say he or she is not into it.

Three reasons may be responsible for this your unabashed defense of homosexuality:

1: You are into homosexuality. It does not matter if you have 600 wives, 1400 concubines, 700 children and have sex with women more than a fish swallows water in the sea.

2: You own a religious business/empire and your customers are mainly homosexuals.

3: You have been recruited to promote the homosexuality agenda of Satan and the more you do this, the higher he promotes you. It is highly probable you are a public figure and Satan raised you to do exactly what you are doing.

So, muttleylaff, which is it? Or is it all of the above?

Don't mask it with your so-called "speaking for the marginalized" and bla bla.

Dtruthspeaker:
The word I think you are bringing to my attention is, "it is an abomination".

Dtruthspeaker:
Then, I would reasonably ask that would you say any other Prohibition without the words, is not abominable?

Dtruthspeaker:
Because I think otherwise.

Dtruthspeaker:
Respectfully, Looking Closely at the activities covered in Leviticus 18, one comes to the conclusion that it is the Law Prohibiting the various kinds of sexual activities implemented or capable of being implemented by the Male Man and Verse 22 is the Law Prohibiting Sex between 2 males.

Leviticus 20 is a continuation of the Prohibition of further Sexual activities including the Prohibition of sex between man and man whether he be a sojourning stranger or an Isrealite.

pislok:
Nigerian Pentecostal church, Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries has announced it will not reopen its churches in Lagos and Ogun states, despite the federal and state governments allowing for worship centres to reopen, TopNaija reports.

The ministry, in a statement by the Chairman, MFM Media Committee, Pastor Oladele Bank-Olemoh, on Friday, noted that the church would not reopen in the two states until the tentative date of September 13, 2020.

Read more here https://topnaija.ng/why-our-lagos-and-ogun-churches-will-remain-closed-mfm/

solite3:
are you asking me? What is good in homosexuality?

solite3:
muttleylaff stop trying to bend a clear truth.

solite3:
Homosexuality was clearly defined in the bible as a man lieing with a man. Original or modern interpretation has nothing to do with it.

solite3:
The context is clear those who practice these sinful lifestyle cannot enter the knigdom

solite3:
I didnt say I am God ...

solite3:
... but I am a servant of God,

solite3:
yes I must tell you the truth because your eternity depends on it.

solite3:
Paul was not God yet he penned it down.

solite3:
Those who engages in homosexuality perverse God's original plan.
God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Just like, polygamy, Homosexuality came as a result of sin entering into the world, the law exposes sin for what it is, so that the sinner can see how much he has fallen but when people like you defend and give excuses for sin, you cannot truly come to faith in Christ.

solite3:
1 John 1:5-10 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

solite3:
Stop defending sin

solite3:
but instead come to Jesus and be saved from it.

delkuf:
One of the prayer we Christian all over ought to pray is that God should Baptist us with the Spirit of obedience. And we should be quick to obey

Kobojunkie:
Since obedience was encoded into man even before the fall of man, I doubt there is such a thing as a spirit of obedience, and I certainly doubt a separate baptism will be given by such a spirit.

solite3:
proverb did not also include idol worship as one of the seven abomination but yet idol worship is an abomination.

solite3:
Homosexuality is condemned in the bible.

solite3:
Sex was designed for married couples (man and his wife.

solite3:
1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Do you know what an effeminate is?

solite3:
In homosexual relationship a male takes on the role of a female.

solite3:
Anyone who engages in homosexuality can not see the kingdom of God.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ok

Dtruthspeaker:
But I wish to add that for "Obedience" to be sweet, easy and happily carried out, understanding of the purpose and intent of the Law Issued is very necessary.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do not be offended but Solite3 leaves me with the impression that you do not condemn Homosexuality and I was taking by surprise for this fact which is why I asked for clarification.

Dtruthspeaker:
Sorry Mutley, i do not understand. Do you support or accept homosexuality?

solite3:
If you truly obey, God you would hate and reject homosexuality including other sins as well.

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Homosexuality is an abomination,

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:26
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

solite3:
Question:
"What does the Bible say about obedience?"
Answer: The Bible has much to say about obedience. In fact, obedience is an essential part of the Christian faith. Jesus Himself was “obedient unto death, even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:8 ). For Christians, the act of taking up our cross and following Christ (Matthew 16:24) means obedience. The Bible says that we show our love for Jesus by obeying Him in all things: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). A Christian who is not obeying Christ’s commands can rightly be asked, “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Obedience is defined as “dutiful or submissive compliance to the commands of one in authority.” Using this definition, we see the elements of biblical obedience. “Dutiful” means it is our obligation to obey God, just as Jesus fulfilled His duty to the Father by dying on the cross for our sin. “Submissive” indicates that we yield our wills to God’s. “Commands” speaks of the Scriptures in which God has clearly delineated His instructions. The “one in authority” is God Himself, whose authority is total and unequivocal. For the Christian, obedience means complying with everything God has commanded. It is our duty to do so.

Having said that, it is important to remember that our obedience to God is not solely a matter of duty. We obey Him because we love Him (John 14:23). Also, we understand that the spirit of obedience is as important as the act of obedience. We serve the Lord in humility, singleness of heart, and love.

Also, we must beware of using a veneer of obedience to mask a sinful heart. Living the Christian life is not all about rules. The Pharisees in Jesus’ time relentlessly pursued acts of obedience to the Law, but they became self-righteous, believing they deserved heaven because of what they had done. They considered themselves worthy before God, who owed them a reward; however, the Bible tells us that, without Christ, even our best, most righteous works are as “filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6). The Pharisees’ external obedience still lacked something, and Jesus exposed their heart attitude. Their hypocrisy in obeying the “letter of the law” while violating its spirit characterized their lives, and Jesus rebuked them sharply: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also appear righteous to men outwardly, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity” (Matthew 23:27–28). The Pharisees were obedient in some respects, but they “neglected the weightier matters of the law” (Matthew 23:23, ESV).

Today, we are not called to obey the Law of Moses. That has been fulfilled in Christ (Matthew 5:17). We are to obey the “law of Christ,” which is a law of love (Galatians 6:2; John 13:34). Jesus stated the greatest commands of all: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:36–40).

If we love God, we will obey Him. We won’t be perfect in our obedience, but our desire is to submit to the Lord and display good works. When we love God and obey Him, we naturally have love for one another. Obedience to God’s commands will make us light and salt in a dark and tasteless world (Matthew 5:13–16).

www.gotquestion.org

byinks:

byinks:
Prophecy fulfilled

https://www.nairaland.com/6036452/al-qaeda-penetrating-north-west-nigeria-us

solite3:
Question:
"What does the Bible say about obedience?"
Answer: The Bible has much to say about obedience. In fact, obedience is an essential part of the Christian faith. Jesus Himself was “obedient unto death, even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:8 ). For Christians, the act of taking up our cross and following Christ (Matthew 16:24) means obedience. The Bible says that we show our love for Jesus by obeying Him in all things: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). A Christian who is not obeying Christ’s commands can rightly be asked, “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46).

Obedience is defined as “dutiful or submissive compliance to the commands of one in authority.” Using this definition, we see the elements of biblical obedience. “Dutiful” means it is our obligation to obey God, just as Jesus fulfilled His duty to the Father by dying on the cross for our sin. “Submissive” indicates that we yield our wills to God’s. “Commands” speaks of the Scriptures in which God has clearly delineated His instructions. The “one in authority” is God Himself, whose authority is total and unequivocal. For the Christian, obedience means complying with everything God has commanded. It is our duty to do so.

Having said that, it is important to remember that our obedience to God is not solely a matter of duty. We obey Him because we love Him (John 14:23). Also, we understand that the spirit of obedience is as important as the act of obedience. We serve the Lord in humility, singleness of heart, and love.

Also, we must beware of using a veneer of obedience to mask a sinful heart. Living the Christian life is not all about rules. The Pharisees in Jesus’ time relentlessly pursued acts of obedience to the Law, but they became self-righteous, believing they deserved heaven because of what they had done. They considered themselves worthy before God, who owed them a reward; however, the Bible tells us that, without Christ, even our best, most righteous works are as “filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6). The Pharisees’ external obedience still lacked something, and Jesus exposed their heart attitude. Their hypocrisy in obeying the “letter of the law” while violating its spirit characterized their lives, and Jesus rebuked them sharply: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also appear righteous to men outwardly, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity” (Matthew 23:27–28). The Pharisees were obedient in some respects, but they “neglected the weightier matters of the law” (Matthew 23:23, ESV).

Today, we are not called to obey the Law of Moses. That has been fulfilled in Christ (Matthew 5:17). We are to obey the “law of Christ,” which is a law of love (Galatians 6:2; John 13:34). Jesus stated the greatest commands of all: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:36–40).

If we love God, we will obey Him. We won’t be perfect in our obedience, but our desire is to submit to the Lord and display good works. When we love God and obey Him, we naturally have love for one another. Obedience to God’s commands will make us light and salt in a dark and tasteless world (Matthew 5:13–16).

www.gotquestion.org

Sunofgod:
Lol......coming from the IRA.

jamesid29:
It is well

And You just proved my point. Your resource is some blog by some people called globalbusinesscafe/lone star where there's no information on who they are, where they are getting their information from or atleast if they are qualified to be their own source or even anything remotely close to anything really.
This is exactly what I was saying in my previous post.

Just to quickly clarify it. Look at the dates written in your exerts, the earliest is 336AD and like I told you before,
the first day 336AD was not an official declaration. It comes from an old list of the death days of christian bishops with the first entry being
December 25: natus Christus in Betleem Judeae: “Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea
It doesn't tell us there was any state celebration on that day, it was just an official list of bishops death days. You can go check it out.
The next one is 350AD, Constantine died in 337AD...The others are in the 500's AD so there's no point even talking about them.
Like I said before, The earliest document to suggest that Christianity intentionally changed a pagan feast day to that of the birth of Christ comes from the 12th century (Syriac biblical commentator Dionysius bar-Salibi). He wrote that Christians moved to day of Christ's birth back from January 6 to December 25th to coincide with the sol Invictus holiday and for some reason later biblical scholars ran with it and it later became popularized in the media. But more modern scholarships has shown that not to be true.
This again, you can check it up.
Anyway,it's fine. At this point, too much energy has been exerted on a very trivial matter.

What are you talking about here again? Which old wound are you talking about?

I don't even know what you are talking about ,talkless of dwelling on it...

Sigh... There's just so much you don't but somehow you don't realise that whatever you think you know now is always going to be a fraction of what is to be known.
It's not a jab,it's something even people who are well respected in the field ascribe to.

Well man to man, I'm a bit disappointed with the things that have transpired these past couple of days. There's much to be said but being a public forum, its best to leave them unsaid.

In any case, it's all good. No harm no foul

MuttleyLaff:
jamesid29, you want precise facts, right? OK then, let's go straightaway there, lol. First and foremost, jamesid29, you err, when you typed, that there was no official festivity associated with them. jamesid29, c'mon now, what about all these Christmas paraphernalia? Are they too, like Christmas tree, the decorations, the burning fire yule log etcetera, devoid of pagan influence too, lol?

While its true, others, previously before Constantine, have been romancing with the idea of picking a day for the celebration of Jesus' birth, BUT, it actually was Roman Emperor, Constantine, who commandeered the pagan festival of Saturnalia to be converted and used to celebrate the birth of Christ, hence the December 25th that we have that pretends to be Jesus’ birthday, lol. It is a fact, that, before the year 336 AD, there is no record of December 25th being observed as the birth of Jesus, in Rome. The church in Rome began formally celebrating Christmas on December 25 in 336, during the reign of the emperor Constantine.

Constantine, having made Christianity, effectively the state religion of the empire, chose this date December 25th, as part of a political move to weaken the established popular pagan celebrations and Roman festival, the December 17-25 week long pagan feast, called the Saturnalia, that's characterised with people feasting and exchanging gifts with each other. Incidentally, also December 25th, is the birthday of the Indo-European deity Mithra, a god of light and loyalty and at that time, was increasingly achieving cult status with the Roman soldiers.

Starting on December 17 and lasting seven days, Saturn, the Roman god of agriculture, is being honored, lol, then starting on December 25 and lasting through January 1, commemorates the birth of Mithras, the Persian god of light, lol, but Constantine merged these two traditions from these festivals with the Nativity story in the Bible and the rest is history on how Christmas was born, lol.

I am saying this, in the real sense of the word, it was Constantine who commissioned, the building of the Church of the Nativity on a spot in Bethlehem assumed to be the exact birthplace of Christ. Check out the below excerpt, on who then, first made Christmas official and declared December 25th a civic holiday, lol.

"While there is one record of Christmas being celebrated in Antioch (Turkey) on December 25 in the middle of the second century, there is no record of its being observed on that date in Rome until the year 336 AD. In 350 AD Pope Julius I declared December 25 the official date and in 529 AD Emperor Justinian declared Christmas a civic holiday. Further legislation by the Council of Tours in 567 AD officially made Advent a period of fasting and preparation; the time from Christmas to Epiphany (the twelve days of Christmas) was also declared part of the festive season"
Excerpt from: https://www.lnstar.com/mall/main-areas/xmas-not-first-choice.htm

jamesid29, in your comments, you said, they are your own personal opinion, that "it's unclear as to when Christ was born as the Bible doesn't give us much information and it's also true that the early church didn't record celebrating the birth of Christ".

OK, let's go there on this comment too, lol. Lets separate facts from opinions but I'll start first, by reproducing here a quote of mine pasted here, taken from one of my posts on another thread

jamesid29, I think, "the elephant in the room" is what you called what's just being touched in the above quote, lol.

Opinions change, but facts don't, they never do jamesid29, because they're based on reality. jamesid29, lol, listen, if I should it break down, and by that, I mean embark to speak or write in detail about how Jesus was born in September/October, how one gets to know what month Jesus was conceived etcetera for you, ol'boy, your personal opinion(s), in the face of the presented facts, and there are a sizeable amount of these facts, will expressly change ooo and you'll pronto withdraw them, lol, yet, I am, all for, let sleeping dogs lie and not rocking the table, not discuss the matter any further, lol.

jamesid29:
Like I said previously, the conversation is been driven by ego than anything else and at which point there's really no reason to continue.

jamesid29:
I'm just going to ignore this part.

jamesid29:
Bro, Are you serious right now? This was the only conversation we had on that thread

Where is the seething and scheming here? How did you misconstrue this?
Were you expecting something special or something? You know that's not how this works.

jamesid29:
I don't comment much on nairaland so I don't know most of this tricks. So Imagine my surprise seeing a convo that I thought was honest and ended on a good note. The whole stuff about Constantine and co could be easily fact checked and I just assumed you did that.

jamesid29:
Things like these are not big deals. On the faith thread (https://www.nairaland.com/5997053/what-faith-really/4#92042066) where I gave the man props for his exposition on Hebrew 11:1, I didn't just give him props because what he said sounded good to my hears. I actually went to check out his usage of hypostasis in classical Greek and it held up, hence my giving him props for taking a interesting approach in interpreting the text. It gave me something interesting to ponder on and it ended up raising other questions(great thing about the Bible...you strike one down, other questions pop up) but I didn't think we needed to get into it those questions at the time since it was going to take us down a rabbit hole.
I just assumed you did that in the December 25th stuff thread and I moved on.
There's so much wrong information on the world today that it's good to have good & solid information out there also especially in the matters of faith, cos you never know the kind of burden you are putting on another person or how a particular kind of information affects other people.
These things are not just about winning arguments, it literally life and death on the line for some people (I mean salvation here). To show you how misinformation can take a life of its own, today we have people who believe the Pauline Letters are forgeries by the Catholic church because one blog said so, effectively cutting themselves of from major doctrines. Even a fiction book(not even something that claims to be historical) " the davinci code" rocked alot of people's faith. This things are trivial but it really does affect people, so we have to be careful of the information we put out there, especially the ones we have the option to check how factual they are, because it's one thing to share information that we think is true even if they are not bit it's another thing to keep sharing them when someone else calls them into question. Again these things does affect real people.

jamesid29:
Yeah, It's easy to say people are lazy for not digging these informations themselves but the reality is we all have different gifts. I might be able to break down the rape laws in Bible and put them in historical and cultural context as the HolySpirit helps me but actually being able to console someone who was really raped is something I won't be of much help.it would be hard for know the right words to use. Someone else who knows zilch about ancient cultures or what not might have the gift to help that person a whole lot better than I can.
So the best way I can help is to make sure to the best of my ability, I get accurate information across to people with other gifts, so they can in turn do what they are good at better. Thats the way I see things.

jamesid29:
I'm still lost on this one?

jamesid29:
You have to be careful with that one... You don't want to win a couple of battles but loose the war. You have to constantly ask yourself, what's the cost?

jamesid29:
Fair enough. Though, The image of God concept and what it truly means to be human is a much deeper conversation than that. Maybe some other time we can go back and forth on it.

jamesid29:
Mr MuttleyLaff, you said I was seething and scheming to get you. It doesn't get more ill feelings than that.

jamesid29:
You seem to be more interested in winning an argument than admitting you were wrong. You and I both know this is not what the conversation was about...it's best to drop the conversation at this point.

jamesid29:
Okay

jamesid29:
Seriously bro don't take this the wrong way but you need to take a break from nairaland and rejuvenate. If it's gotten to the point where you believe people thousands of miles away are seething and plotting against you and you've been making up plans and strategies against them in your heart, I think it's a good time to take a step back and rejuvenate.

jamesid29:
As in, which ambush, what thread, what are you talking about? Mehnnnn..... I wish you could literally see my face right now.

jamesid29:
What is "Id"? Who's been commenting on your post grudgingly? As I can recall, ever since I've been back on nairaland, it's you who mostly mentions me and I either reply or like accordingly.

jamesid29:
Matter of fact I'm only on this thread because you posted a conversation with my username in it and I responded to that...other than that I wouldn't have been on this thread in the first place (I tend not to dabble in all the black Hebrew stuff).
Other than that, anybody that post something interesting to me, I drop my comments and move. Funny enough, I mostly try not to be confrontational because from experience, once ego kicks in on either or both sides, reason goes out the window and the whole point having a conversation is defeated. But alas I'm human and sometimes I get ticked off or plainly not in the mood and I can get confrontational with my comments....

jamesid29:
Maybe it's one of those you took personally and have ever since been parsing anything I post through that lens.

jamesid29:
Mehnnnn?? seriously though, taking breaks from places like this is usually good. That's what I do personally and even planning to do so soon. It's hard to be in a place like nairaland or twitter where people under the cloak of anonymity feel confident showcasing the worst tendencies of the human heart and not change gradually. It's very hard seeing the raw tendencies of the human heart and not begin to respond accordingly no matter how little. Sure some people have the anointing for being in a place like this for long periods and not to change and I'm happy for them but far more of us don't have such an anointing.

jamesid29:
For example, I've never had a tribalistic bone in my body. Went to a multicultural secondary school, spent my young adulthood in a place where noone cares if you are Igbo, yoruba, zulu or Ghanaian, you are all blacks and we all stuck together. Imagine my surprise when nairaland and Twitter started showing how much hatred people of different tribes harbour in their hearts for eachother. If not for deep rooted experiences from my younger days that when push comes to shove, tribe doesn't matter, I'll also have been developing sinister thoughts towards other tribes no matter how little. Even at that, Im still always very cautious of what I allow get to me, hence periodically taken step backs.

Places like this train us to see the worst in people and we respond accordingly because we expect the worst from them. And you know the old saying, whatever you call Harry, Harry eventually becomes. So in the end, we end up with a feedback loop of hatred and so on.
For all the good platforms like this can do, that's just one of the dark sides.
That's just some humble thoughts from one human to another. No sinister motives in it.

jamesid29:
On the flip side, This is good.... at least everything can be laid out in the open and trashed accordingly. Regardless of what you think of me and our differences (we would probably have a lot), we are still brothers in Christ.

jamesid29:
Yeah, sure we will have some good conversations and sometimes we would have some confrontational ones. That's just part of the human experience. Paul and Peter, Paul and Barnabas, the early church fathers etc had their moments but that doesn't change their oneness in Christ.

jamesid29:
Even if you're not a Christain, that doesn't change anything because we are all human and are all images of God and deserve the same love and respect.

jamesid29:
(Fun fact: image of God is another interesting rabbit trail. Mehnnnn, the Bible bro. I spent a huge chunk of last year and now this year recurringly on parsing just Gen: 1&2 and there's just still alot to get through. As in, this are the types of conversations you have for hours with people going back and forth, reefing of eachother, going back back home, parsing things out and coming back another day to continue with the conversation. But sadly nairaland is not built for such conversations, so what can we do, we stuck with having to give simplistic answers to really complex questions... but the Bible mehn. Sometimes I just wish more people could see these things or pick interest in it.

jamesid29:
Interesting that you mentioned Dr Heiser, He's one of my go-to people on ancient new eastern culture, so we have that in common.... I've digressed to much)

jamesid29:
In conclusion my brother, I abhor no I'll feelings towards you. I do not claim I am above abhouring such feelings against another human being but like I stated above, I'll much rather leave the space before it gets to that point.

jamesid29:
Yes, in a small community like this religion forum, there will always be possibility of locking horns on certain threads with you or with some other person but for it to escalate to deep seated animosity, I'll rather leave. It's a constant prayer on my part both online and offline, because I know from experience that hate is alot easier to come by than love.

jamesid29:
So Mr MuttleyLaff, I have no deep seated animosity against you but please if you still have anything you feel we need to trash out, feel free to bring it and we can trash it out together(so that when next I tackle you, you go know say no be targeted tackling, na just that thread cos am, lol). But on a more serious note though ...

jamesid29:
... if we need to trash out some things, I'm all ears and I am not above saying sorry, if the need arises.

Acehart:
I didn’t do too badly, right?

Acehart:
1/ Who, giving the name, did Zipporah say Exodus 4:25 to?

1. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin and threw it at God's feet, and then she said to Him, "You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me." So He let him alone. At that time she said, "You are a bridegroom of blood"-because of the circumcision.

The pronoun “You” (in my NASB) appears twice and the pronoun “He” and “Him” appears once. The proliferation of pronouns makes any answer subjective because there are no definitives in this verse. One maybe be tempted to say, she was referring to Moshe; but I’ll carefully say she was speaking to Moshe’s God - (At that time she said to “He” who let “him“ alone). Moshe’s God in this narrative is the only one doing the “holding” or “holding against”.

Acehart:
2a/ Why were Miriam and Aaron jealous of Zipporah?

2a. It seems to me that Miriam was jealous of Moses and his wife; while Aaron was jealous of Moses.

Acehart:
Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept. (Solomon 1:6)

Zipporah was an Ethiopian (Cushite) or called an Ethiopian because of her black skin. To know why Miriam was jealous lies in her words: "Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us as well?"

Inferring from Solomon 1:6, Zipporah had become one of the keepers of the vineyard which Miriam and Aaron also kept; Zipporah may have become influential in the direction Israel took through their sojourn in the wilderness (Her father was influential in Moses’ decision-making, and her brother also was influential in how Israel moved through the wilderness - Number 10:29), playing a prophetic role as well; which irked Miriam. The Cushite may have been more conspicuous in the camp, by deed and by complexion; hence, attention towards Miriam waned, and led the sentiment: "Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us as well?" She was no longer treated like the first rank among the women of Israel (Exo.15:20-21) she once was; Zipporah was ‘making a foray’ into her position.

Aaron too may have felt this way but he is a man whom the record shows wouldn’t initiate anything until he is instigated.

But the jealousy towards Zipporah seems like a smoke-screen to the real issue - they were jealous of Moses - they thought Moses was running a one-man show.

Acehart:
2b/ What in regards to Zipporah, circa 2000 years in the spirit realm, unconsciously and indirectly, were Miriam and Aaron objecting to?

2b. I am not familiar with the chronological progression of Israel; what 2000 years from Moses’ time is, I don’t know. However, if the time between Moses’ existence and Jesus’ earthly sojourn is about 2000 years, then the spiritual interpretation of the action of the siblings is this:

The Gospel of Matthew is ordered like the Pentateuch - in five sections. The corresponding part of the Gospel of Matthew with regards to the Pentateuch is the ‘Discourse on the Church’. The discourse emphasizes the importance of humility and self-sacrifice as the high virtues within the anticipated community. It teaches that in the Kingdom of God, it is childlike humility that matters, not social prominence and clout - Moses understood this (Num. 12:3) but not Miriam nor her elder brother.

The general theme of the discourse is the anticipation of a future community of followers, and the role of his apostles in leading it. Miriam’s and Aaron’s dissenting opinion could have affected the future generation of Israel who were to enter into the promised land. They were unconsciously objecting to the future church and the true meaning of the “Kingdom of God”.

jamesid29:
For some reason I didn't expect all this from you.

jamesid29:
You found every possible way to misrepresent or distort our conversation. Even going as far as positing what I originally wrote on the other thread in a bid to muddy the waters again.

jamesid29:
I guess you checked it out and it held up.

jamesid29:
Anyway, it's fine. It seems this is more of an ego thing than anything else.

Acehart:
The answer is before you: who called who “fool”?