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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 9:45pm On Aug 16, 2020*

Blabbermouth:
In the preceeding paragraph you said God will never show you the future. In the succeeding paragraph you said God told Abraham his future. Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Smh. so you want to tell me that you dont know what difference "absolute" means when I used that as my starting off point, hmm?

Blabbermouth:
Wow! Let me use myself as a case study;
If God knows I will end up in Hell, who predestined that I will end up in Hell?
Was it God or is it the innocent ME?

Smh. Before you were conceived and even born from your mother womb, God had already before you being on the board, had experienced every move on the board until the end that you've made. He has seen all your blunders, your silly moves, your suicidal move, your check mate yourself moves, but still allows you to comes into existence because creativity should never be aborted, killed off, truncated, stifled et cetera. You are part of the Godhead's creative energy, and no matter where you are going to end up, you have creative rights to exist so to express yourself, equipped with freewill. I won't go further on than here, bar you lead me to shed more light

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 9:32pm On Aug 16, 2020*

Blabbermouth:
Sir, it's either He knows or He does not know, which one is it? If where I will end up largely depends on me, that technically implies that He does not know where I will end up.
What's your take?

Did you understand what "know the end from the beginning" means and implies, hmm?

What make you think that God doesnt beforehand know what in the next 5 minutes you'll be doing next, huh? What do you take God for. What does God mean to you? How do you see God. Do you see God as, losing control? Or He is never all time in control? He has lost the plot? Is He incapable, inefficient, and inept? Or maybe He hasn't a clue what He is doing? What really is your grievance my dear friend. What is bugging you?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 9:20pm On Aug 16, 2020

DappaD:
I don't think I'm the ones asking the questions here.

I was addressing the "Do you mean if He can foretell the future to give his servants a glimpse/hope of the future" with how God revealed the future to Abram/Abraham, I careless if anyone or who asked the question or not

DappaD:
On the bolded, I disagree with you a 100%.
But in time we will get to discussing that.

The typo error and/or omission, has been corrected to:
"Of course, God knows where you''ll be spending your eternity, but it does NOT stop any of the plan and work of God. Wherever you end up, it is a right you have that you should be allowed to exist, whether for a short while on earth or for a long time"

DappaD:
For now though, I intend to understand OP's question the simplest way I can.

I wouldn't also recommend you punch above your weight anyway

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 9:16pm On Aug 16, 2020

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 9:09pm On Aug 16, 2020

DappaD:
Well, as Jehovah's Witnesses we see ourselves as the only worshipers of our God Jehovah.

That said...

Your question ‘Does God know the future?’ is very broad. It would be better if you could narrow it down a bit.

On the words you bolded yourself, let me get some things straight.

1. Do you mean if He can foretell the future to give his servants a glimpse/hope of the future?

OR

2. Do you mean if He uses foreordination/foreknowledge all the time? Even regards details of the birth and death of all intelligent creatures(humans) from Adam until now?

"¹⁷The LORD answered Moses, "I will do what you have asked, because I am pleased with you, and I know you by name."
¹⁸Then Moses said, "Please let me see your glory."
¹⁹The LORD said, "I will let all my goodness pass in front of you, and there I will call out my name 'the LORD.' I will be kind to anyone I want to. I will be merciful to anyone I want to.
²⁰But you can't see my face, because no one may see me and live."
²¹Then the LORD said, "Look, there's a place near me. Stand by this rocky cliff.
²²When my glory passes by, I will put you in a crevice in the cliff and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.
²³Then I will take my hand away, and you'll see my back, but my face must not be seen."
- Exodus 33:17-23

Two things, God never absolutely reveals to men on this short side of eternity, they namely are: His name and the future or metaphorically, future referred to as His Face or His Glory. As we can see from Exodus 33:17-23 above, how Moses tried to see the future, but was compensated with seeing the past and history. It was the same Moses and Jacob earlier who asked what God's name is but were denied with a question, asking why they wanted to know (i.e. Genesis 32:27 and Exodus 3:14)

Of course, God reveals the future, just as He told Abram/Abraham that through his seed, the whole wide world hood will be blessed, that his descendants will inherit the land of Canaan aka the Proimised land and that they will be as strangers be enslaved for 400 years et cetera

Blabbermouth:
Yes, that's part of my question. Also...
2. Does God where I will spend my eternity? Eternal life in earth/heaven or Eternal death.

Affirmative. Of course, God knows where you''ll be spending your eternity, but it does NOT stop any of the plan and work of God. Wherever you end up, it is a right you have that you should be allowed to exist, whether for a short while on earth or for a long time

There are more than just eternity/eternal existence but the explaining the details are out of scope of the thread's limit and would end up being info overload

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 8:51pm On Aug 16, 2020

Blabbermouth:
Since time immemorial, man had always and will always continue to attribute what he cannot do and isn't capable of as part of God's sovereign ability.
Even if there are many many denominations in Christianity, I believe every of them agree that God is Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. We don't have issues with the last 2 Omni - (for now) , so we will just concentrate on the first one. While this omniscient attribute is sweet to the ears, I want to know if God himself actually claimed/said that he "knows the future".
The floor is open, I don't want substance less opinions and replies invented from what you feel is true or right, instead;
GIVE YOUR ANSWER
DROP SCRIPTURES THAT SUPPORT YOUR ANSWER
EXPLAIN HOW THE SCRIPTURE PROVES THAT GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE.
Cc: Kobo/junkie, Maximus/69, Jesusjnr/2020, Muttley/Laff, Shade/yinka, solite/3, buda/atum, sonm/vayina, His/wordxray

"Only I can tell you the future before it even happens.
(i.e. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come)
Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish.
(i.e. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please)"
- Isaiah 46:10

Omniscience is not beans. Isaiah 46:10 above is straight from the Horse mouth. Just knowing an iceberg tip of God, makes you come to know that, God is a God of dread (i.e. Isaiah 8:13)

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 8:43pm On Aug 16, 2020

Ofemmanu1:
Jesus died for the sins of the world.
He died on the cross of Calvary.
He arose again on the third day.

Those three lines are real bro.
Evidences are all over.
Just think about it.

adoyi8:
What will happen to your Igbo ancestors that did not know or believe in Jesus before they died. Remember that Jesus said he is the only way to God so it means that all your ancestors will be roasted in hell for not believing something they did not hear while you their descendant will be bowing day and night singing praises to the wicked being that is roasting your ancestors unjustly. I pity for you.

God is a Just and Fair minded God. Everybody will be fairly judge with all mitigating considerations reviewed and/or taken in account

Yahsua Ha Mshiach aka Jesus Christ did not only die for the sins of the world. Did not only die on the cross of Calvary and did not only arose again on the third day, but He is also an Advocate. He puts a case for people before the Judge. He is as it were, a professional Pleader in the court of Justice, and His services are free for all to use, for Him to represent anyone as their legal Counsel/Lawyer/Attorney/Solicitor/Barrister. The tragedy and thing is some, even at the point of the second death and the lake of fire, will because of pride et cetera, still rather face damnation than accept Yahsua Ha Mshiach aka Jesus Christ, at the last second, as their Lord, and Saviour, so as for Him to represent them

diridiri:
They died due to the white man's acts of barbarism, which he did in the name of this god whom you so fervently worship. Don't be ignorant.

They have been dying many moons and moons ago, long before even the white man ever dreamt of setting foot on the Atlantic shore

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 7:58pm On Aug 16, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
Please indicate sir, with Bible back up, what directions Shem and Japheth took if they didn't take the east direction?

¹After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem,
²asking, “Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews?
We saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
³When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.…
- Matthew 2:1-3

Put on some humility sir, let your missus do a Priscilla-Apollo treatment with you because I know the essence of Job 1:3b and Job 22:15-17 went swoosh over your head as if like, it was a Naija MiG airforce fighter jets flying by. Your bible sub literacy is affecting you understanding Bible 101 basics, like what does East, imply and convey. If not you would have understood what in biblical language does it means to journey eastwards away from God. Do you know the meaning and/or implication of the Magi, in Matthew 2:1-2, journeying from the East to come worship and pay homage to Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, hmm? I am quite sure there is a good chance Mrs FOLYKAZE knows. You are blessed because you have a good woman, daughter of God, whom through you are enjoying the cover of God. Smh. KMT

FOLYKAZE:
They weren't involved, their language wasn't confounded. They were left non shattered. Today, they arw supposed to speak one languages.

Why should they today or even then supposed to speak one language, huh? Are you God, to be dictating how things should pan out or develop ni? Does the sun only shine on good people alone without shinning on bad people, huh. Does rain only fall on your missus believer wife and not also on you a non believer, hmm?. Ọrẹ mi, all this "katakata" talk, as if like "akayin" no dey, here or there, at all. "Padi mi, jawọ lọwọ apọn ti ooo jọ" loosely translated means "My guy, already forget draw soup, wey no draw at all"

FOLYKAZE:
Genesis
11:1 At one time all the people of the world spoke the same language and used the same words.
2 As the people migrated to the east, they found a plain in the land of Babylonia and settled there.

The people in verse 1&2 are totality of human populace, not subset of Hamites.

"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the region of Shinar with the cities of Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calne."
- Genesis 10:9-10

"¹Now the whole world had one language and a common form of speech.
²As people moved from the east, they found a plain in Shinar [Babylonia] and settled there.
³They said to one another, "Let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used bricks as stones and tar as mortar.
⁴Then they said, "Let's build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the sky. Let's make a name for ourselves so that we won't become scattered all over the face of the earth."."
- Genesis 11:1-4

I am sure you dont need vision correction to see that in Genesis 11:2, the Hebrew word used was "benanawsah" and it conveys the meaning of people being led away from, uprooted, marching from, go forward from, move away from et cetera. The unmistakable glaring fact is that Genesis 11:1 used "the whole world" while Genesis 11:2, dropped down to using "as people moved from the east", not "as the whole world moved from the east" because it wasn't the whole world that moved from the east. It was only Nimrod and his fellow Ham descendants

FOLYKAZE:
Noahide flood isn't same with Tower of Babel time.

Where did you read anyone saying the Noahide flood is the same timeline with Tower of Babel event, huh? Smh. I am not surprised you failed to see the connection of who are people of the East, and was incapable of joining the dots with the Job and Eliphaz references of the east and flood. Fyi, Job stayed in the east and Job lived just after Noah and before Moses. So you know, staying in the east, with a spiritual undertone with it

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha.

How many times do I have to tell you belief system are not factual but rather emotionally based. The stories in the bible have no basis in history. Well this thread isn't about that

Pfft!. Emotionally based kọ. Ọdun Alagẹmọ ni. Shọrọ wa leleyẹn gan ni. KMT.

I have given you for free, a real diagnosis, about what the stumbling block and problem is, and you are talking some irrational and emotional nonsense. Have I ever said to you that you are emotional based, though, it is apparent your ATR belief when put under rigorous and clinical scrutiny is suspect, hmm?

Christianity Etc › Re: List Of Gods Born By A Virgin On 25th December by MuttleyLaff: 7:06pm On Aug 16, 2020

khia:
He was a prophet for the Most High, YAH, or a god in the sense that All Hebrews are gods.

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is not past tense was. He is yesterday today and tomorrow. He is the Ancient of Days. He is Alpha and Omega. He exists before the foundation and creation of the earth. He is God, there is nothing that is made that was not made by Him. He is God incarnate, meaning He is God in the flesh. Go ask donnie, your blind guide, he will confirm that Yahshua Ha Mashiach is not a god.

Not fyi, all believers are gods, as in meaning equipped with capability and ability to make good, righteous and just judgment

khia:
When Yahshua prays to his father he is actually praying to himself? Do that make sense to you?

Affirmative, it makes absolute sense, but it is understandable you are incapable in wrapping it round your head that for a God described as omnipotent and benevolent, it isn't anything impossible for Him to project Himself outward and exist in two places simultaneously and/or concurrently so to carry out His purpose of reconciling man back to Him, redeem man back to Him, and bring salvation to the souls of man

khia:
We (Hebrews) are all supposed to be gods so when we are praying to Yah we are actually praying to ourselves or are we gods praying to a higher god?

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Genesis 1:26

"I have said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’"
- Psalm 82:6

"Jesus replied,
"Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods'?"
- John 10:34

All believers are gods, who pray to God, worship God, enjoy fellowship and a Heavenly Father relationship with God et cetera

Elohim and elohim, are Judge/Magistrate and judges/magistrates, are Ruler and rulers, are are God and gods. Rhhe Elohim in Genesis 1:26 above is referring to the Godhead, while the elohim in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34 is referring to gods, human beings, the likes of Samsom, Deborah et cetera as judges of Israel

khia:
I guess you believe in the Trinity?

I believe beyond Trinity. Yah, is infinite infinity persons. He is not limited to three persons, though in scripture He frequently expresses Himself to us in three persons. He, however, is "I AM, that I AM", meaning God will be whatever necessary situation, circumstances and events requires Him to be. He expressed Himself to Moshe aka Moses, as a bush aflamed but not burning

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 6:18pm On Aug 16, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
According to you, Nimrod gathered together the descendants of Ham.

"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the region of Shinar with the cities of Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calne."
- Genesis 10:9-10

"²As people moved from the east, they found a plain in Shinar [Babylonia] and settled there.
³They said to one another, "Let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used bricks as stones and tar as mortar.
⁴Then they said, "Let's build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the sky. Let's make a name for ourselves so that we won't become scattered all over the face of the earth."."
- Genesis 11:2-4

Not according to me, my dear friend, but according to the bible narrative in Genesis 10:9-10, we read that Nimrod's kingdom began in the region of Shinar (i.e. Babylonia) and that he was a fearless hunter in defiance of God. Now fast forward to Genesis 11:2, we further read that, after began moving away from God, this metaphorically means, they journeyed from the East, as in meaning, moved away from the presence of God. This is not surprising, being that, they are descendants of Ham, relics, of the earlier time Nephilim gene pool

FOLYKAZE:
But if I may ask, how did the descent of Shem and Japheth loose their lingual uniformity too? Did the confusion at Babel, later known as Babylon, affected the tongue of Shem and Japheth too?

Affirmative, yes it affected the lips, words and tongues of the elder Japheth and junior Shem too

FOLYKAZE:
Note also Gen 11:1-2. It was talking about the people of the whole world, moving toward the east.

Re-read Gen 11:1-2 once more again, but carefully and slowly, because when you do, you'll notice that it was not all the people of the whole world that moved eastwards, but it was the rebel forces, influenced and led by Nimrod

FOLYKAZE:
How come you only captured descendants of Ham, leaving behind Shem and Japheth, as the world populace?

"... Job was the greatest man of all the people of the East.
- Job 1:3b

"¹⁵Will you stay on the ancient path that wicked men have trod?
¹⁶They were snatched away before their time, and their foundations were swept away by a river.
¹⁷They said to God, ‘Depart from us. What can the Almighty do to us?’…"
- Job 22:15-17

FOLYKAZE, fyi, I only captured descendants of Ham, leaving behind Shem and Japheth, because according to Job 1:3b, Job stayed behind and was recognised to be the greatest of all the men of the east.

Now, do you know the identity of who is talking in Job 22:15-17 above. Never mind the answer, as I'll volunteer it. It is Eliphaz, recounting what happened during the Noahide flood

Rilwayne001:
I want to believe the story to be more of metaphoric than of realistic.

"¹At one time all the people of the world spoke the same language and used the same words.
²As the people migrated to the east, they found a plain in the land of Babyloniaa and settled there.
³They began saying to each other, “Let’s make bricks and harden them with fire.”
(In this region bricks were used instead of stone, and tar was used for mortar.)
⁴Then they said, “Come, let’s build a great city for ourselves with a tower that reaches into the sky. This will make us famous and keep us from being scattered all over the world."
- Genesis 11:1-4

After the blessings to Japheth and Shem, the curse to Canaan, the silence treatment to Ham and the genealogy account of Noah's three sons, in Genesis chapters 9 & 10, the intro of Genesis chapter 11, starts with not an absolute metaphorical account but with a clear, literal and realistic narrative with shades or tinges of the metaphorical

FOLYKAZE:
All the stories in the bible are esoteric, having no basis in history.

Not all stories in the Bible are esoteric. They likely are going to be esoteric to people like you my dear friend and the likes of the Pharisees, the Jewish sect who were "far-to-see" who never saw eye to eye with Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ.

Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:10 said that:
"believers are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of God, but that He uses parables to teach others so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: ‘When they look, they won’t really see. When they hear, they won’t understand"

Matthew 13:13, says: "For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand" literally meaning that the more you look, the less you see. This is the perplexity of the situation you are in my friend

FOLYKAZE:
But let us for once agree with our Christian brothers that the story is literal and historic. How come God was displeased with human unity and innovations?

If you start reading the bible contextually, not in isolation and under pretext, you would have realised that God takes great pleasure in righteous human unity and just innovations, so please quit this uncalled for and unnecessary truculent attitude. You miss road with with the Genesis 11 account

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 3:22pm On Aug 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
Who are these people? Descents of Ham or the entire population on earth? Gen 11:1 should guide you with answers.

Nimrod built so many cities namely Babel , Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar according to Gen 10:10. Legend has it that he built Nineveh , Resen , Rehoboth-Ir and Calah. So unlike Ofemmanu1 posited, this isn't about city. There were just so many cities scattered around then. The Tower that reaches heaven is the problem here. Nimrod was a great hunter and a mighty king according to the bible.

And please note, even when Nimrod was not peculiarly mentioned in the bible as the builder of the tower, legend has it that Joktan the descent of Shem, and Phenech descent of Japheth all collaborated to build the tower of Babel at the center of Shinar.

Was Joktar and Phenech also evil persons? Or was the problem about Nimrod alone?

"⁸In that way, the LORD scattered them all over the world, and they stopped building the city.
⁹That is why the city was called Babel, because that is where the LORD confused the people with different languages.
In this way he scattered them all over the world"
- Genesis 11:8-9

"Ibikan lati nmu bẹrẹ jẹ ẹkọ ati ọlẹlẹ" loosely translated mean "There's always a starting point on the eating plate where to have your first scoop of food"

Nimrod, united the people to gather together to profane God. God scuttled their plans to build the city and erect an iconic object depicting their contempt of and disdain to God. The point and place of the rebellion, treachery et cetera was named Babel, purely because that is where God confused everyone with different languages (i.e. that place was where the gathered to unite, plot and planned to carry out their evil intention)

The people that Nimrod gathered together were descendants of Ham, who was not given a blessing and neither a curse, but was given something worse, the silent treatment. I would have shared more details about Ham's descendants and especially Nimrod, but it's beyond the scope of this thread's limit.

The tower fyi, wasn't even built, it was built in the minds, but stopped by God from them actually carrying out the proposal

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 2:57pm On Aug 16, 2020*

adoyi8:
Thank you for clarifying that wealth comes from God even though Yashua Ha mashsiach aka Jesus Christ said that it will be easier for the head of a camel to pass through a needle than for a rich man to see the kingdom of God.

I typed that the power to get wealth comes from and/or is permitted by God. It is God who gives the power to get wealth, then I went to ask you, that have you ever since a sick person get wealth, huh? Have you ever seen a person with impaired brain power get wealth, hmm?

Now who makes a sick person, well, healthy, strong and alive enough to get wealth? Who gives the brain power exercised and used in getting wealth, hmm?

adoyi8:
You said Jeff Bezos, Mark zuckerberg, Bill gates Elon Musk etc are the anti christs. Now why would God give wealth to anti christs when some believers are suffering in poverty?

"⁵Then the devil led Him up to a high place and showed Him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.
⁶“I will give You authority over all these kingdoms and all their glory,” he said.
“For it has been relinquished to me, and I can give it to anyone I wish.
(i.e. because they are mine to give to anyone I please)
⁷So if You worship me, it will all be Yours.””"
- Luke 4:5-7

The devil within the devil's sphere of influence has been permitted to give wealth, voluntarily given up by A&E to keep, to tool busy working away in the devil's workshop.

You'll find out that pretty much most, if not each one of all of those few of the elite billionaires listed antichrists are atheists or agnostic atheists.

Rules are no respecter of person. The law of gravity doesn't discriminate between a believer or a non believer, atheist, heathen, rich, poor et cetera.

Now, out of the following antichrists Bill Gates, Steve Jobs RIP, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Ren Zhengfei, who among them still has the power to create wealth and enjoy it?

Without God permitting and notwithstanding Luke 4:5-7 above, the devil has no power, to give wealth. It would have been double tragedy, if Yahsua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, had given in to the temptation of the devil.

Yes, Yahsua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, correctly put, said that: "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (i.e. Matthew 19:24, Luke 18:25 and Mark 10:25) because priorities of an ungodly rich man will clash with the priorities of God. This and all, is what does make it not easy for many a rich men to enter the kingdom of God.

Let me turn your question on its head with this question. Why would God shine the sun and drop rain on both good and bad people?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 2:11pm On Aug 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disunite them by confounding their language.

People united by Nimrod, to commit treachery, infidelity, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, insubordination, idolatry, defiance, injustice, cruelty, absence of love, wickedness, covetousness, profanity et cetera

FOLYKAZE, you were interested in names weren't you. OK, what do you think Nimrod means in Hebrew. Nimrod, means rebel, and fyi, the man is an archetype of Satan. Yep, take it as an education that Nimrod is an archetype of Satan

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 12:36pm On Aug 16, 2020

adoyi8:
I really will like ~~Christians~~ to choose a side concerning wealth. When a ~~christian~~ is rich they believe that God is blessing him but when a non christian is rich then it is the devil that gave him wealth. You can support either of these with the bible when you put the contradicting views of Jesus and David concerning wealth side by side. David believed that he was blessed with wealth by God hence Psalm 23. Jesus insinuated that the devil gives wealth on account of the Second temptation of Jesus christ and the fact that he told the rich man to let go of his wealth before he can follow him. The ~~christians~~ now pick any part they want. when they are rich, they point to psalm 23 but when non christians are rich, they point to the second temptation of Christ.
Now I want ~~Christians~~ to pick a side concerning wealth. Who gives wealth? Is it the devil or God?

The power to get wealth comes from and/or is permitted by God. It is God who gives the power to get wealth. Has you ever since a sick person get wealth, huh? Have you ever seen a person with brain power get wealth, hmm?

Yahsua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, knew that the young rich couldn't follow Him, when he is fixated on his riches, so He asked him to first dispose it al then follow Him. The young rich man riches had a strong hold on him, so he declined the the suggestion.

It is impossible to be a believer, if mammon is your god. The disciples of Yahsua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, the likes of Apostle Peter were all, to a good degree, rich individuals. Apostle Paul, had to beg for donations to be given for other churches. Believers honor God with their acquired wealth

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 12:08pm On Aug 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
My dear. Babylon is a geographical location in Iraq today. All those tory don dey too much for a simple question asked.

Empire rises and fall. Oyo empire, Shongai empire rose and fell. Nothing is bad with that. And there is no spiritual undertone in this.

Gen 11:6 exposed that God hates human unity and innovative minds. Simple as that

Ọrẹ, its actually you thats over stretching and making unnecessary extrapolation demands out of the event circa Genesis 11:2-9. Ofemmanu1, was very much on point, on almost all accounts than you were.

There defo were spiritual undertones and overtones going on. God is an Innovator. The Godhead practices unity, so why would you say that God hates righteous unity and/or innovative minds, hmm?. What God hates are: treachery, infidelity, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, insubordination, idolatry, defiance, injustice, cruelty, absence of love, wickedness, covetousness et cetera. Simple as that

Without demur, I concur with Ofemmanu1, read and be healed

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 11:57am On Aug 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
It's Sunday today, would like to be in the church. So I picked the Sunday school book and saw the topic for the day, The Unity at Babel. The teaching was set around the account in Genesis 11 which tells about the origin of human language, astronomy, and architect. According to the Genesis 11, there were some human populace, who spoke one language, came to agreement within themselves and agreed to build a city with a tower that it top is in heaven. The project commenced immediately and progressively. However, this progress caught the attention of God. He quickly summoned his councils in heaven to a meeting and decreed that the project must be stopped by confounding human's language. In the account, one could find that the purpose of the project is exhibition of architecture designs, understanding and dominating sky, and showcasing that things are achievable through unity. However, God was furious that man wae uniting and reaching for the sky.

Legend has it that If there was a tower of Babel, it was Etemenanki: a massive, stone ziggurat at the center of Babylon, presently at the southern Baghdad, Iraq. Record has it that ziggurat is 91m high. This goes to show that God became angry because Human built a structure recording 91m im height. Today, the tallest building is Al Burj Khalifa in UAE, measuring 830m in height. This mean human have successfully built a structure that is higher than what angered God back then. This they did with unity of different engineers, labor, and finances from all across the world, cutting barriers of languages, and exhibiting brilliance and might of humankind.

Beyond the tip of Burj Khalifa, Man have dominated the sky by building Aeroplanes and jets which can fly way above 20,000m. The highest commercial airliner altitude was 18288m by Concorde. The highest military air-breathing engine airplane was the SR-71 — about 27432m. Humans have built International Space Station, a kind of home or lab in the low earth orbit. The ISS was successfully built by collaboration of multiple nations. Man has also travelled and walked in space, set boot and projecting to build base on the moon, and are annexing all resources to set boot on Mars before 2035. The farthest human material in space is the Voyager1 which has almost gone past our solar system. It has reached interstellar space and currently 11.7 billion miles away from earth. Humans have robotic probes, satellites, telescopes in our solar system, and beam lights into deepest parts of the universe. Soonest, human will build a colony on other planets, planetary bodies, and even mine asteroids. Imagine having sex on the moon? This is total dominance and colonisation of the sky and space. Not forgetting, this height was made successful by the collective efforts of man from different tongue, color, belief system and backgrounds.

Space exploration goes beyond understanding nature of the universe. It has provided us deep understanding of origin of universe, planets and the solar system. It has revealed human are stardust. It has helped us relate with the outside world and ourselves. Before now, we had preachers and Evangelists. Today, we have Televangelists who have adopted the technology of satellite communication and television. Evangelism has gone from door to door to worldwide reaches through satellite communications with radio, television, internet and telephone services. Omniscient God couldn't foresight the benefit of space exploration of Babel tower, he disrupted the project which later helped his ministry.

Advancement and unity in tech development have broken the barriers of tongue. Bible is now printed in more than 2500 languages. A simple lingua apps can break the barrier God created and expand on evangelism.

God was angry with human because they built a structure which reached the height of 91m. What would he supposedly do now that we have human built machine that is 11.7 billion miles deep into space?

God was angry human united to build the tower of Babel. Five nations came together to build and launch ISS into Earth low orbit, is God really against human unity and togetherness?

He confounded human language but man is breaking that barrier today with multi-lingua systems, helping expansion of evangelism. Does God not have foresight before creating this problem in the first place?

Muttley\Laff Buda\atum, Emu\san, Jano\sky, Maximus\69 and all God soldiers on the forum

School dismissed, hurray!

Sunday school heya finish. Music section too don close. Abeg na house sure pass.

Ofemmanu1:
Read and be healed.

GOD became upset because of the following reasons:

Eastward

The Book of Genesis emphasizes that as man moves eastward he moves away from God. We see this in the Garden of Eden, the Flood of Noah, and now in the Tower of Babel. It will also be seen later in Genesis when Lot separated from Abraham and went to Sodom. When humankind leaves the area of God's blessing, he goes to places that cause him problems.

Not Obeyed Command

The descendants of Noah had not obeyed the commandment of God to fill the earth. Rather than spreading out as God had ordered, they settled in the land of Shinar-a fertile land watered by the Tigris and Euphrates river. Once the people reached this plain in Babylon, they started a massive building project. The city was built in defiance of God's commandment. The building of a city would establish a unified front against God by preventing a scattering. These descendants of Noah had been disobedient to the call of God.

Make A Name

These particular descendants of Shem wanted to make a name for themselves instead of glorifying God. There is a play on words in the Hebrew with respect to the word name in this section of Scripture. The builders, the descendants of Shem, (Hebrew sham) wanted to make a name (Hebrew sham) for themselves. Instead of making a name, they will end up scattered and the name of their city (verse 9) will be Babel (confusion). The fact that they wanted to make a name for themselves will be contrasted to the account of Abraham in the next chapter-where God Himself makes a name for Abraham.

Why Build A Tower?

Once settled, they built the Tower of Babel as a monument to their own greatness-to make a name for themselves. Though Scripture does not give us the exact reason as to why they built this tower, there are several possible reasons.

1.Protection From Another Flood

A traditional view states that the tower was built by the people to protect themselves from another Flood. The phrase whose top may reach unto heaven is a figurative expression of great height. The tower was built high enough for the people to gain revenge against God-should He attempt to drown the inhabitants of earth again. The problem with this view is that God clearly promised not to send another Flood (Genesis 8:21-22; 9:11). Furthermore, why build a tower on a plain if the purpose was to be too high for floodwaters?

2.Tower To Reach God

Some critics of this account believe that the people were building a tower in an attempt to reach God. This is because the ancients had a belief that heaven was directly above the earth, and if they built a tower high enough, they could reach the presence of God. If they constructed this gigantic tower they could have thought that its tops would have pierced the vault above them. From this vantage point they could establish their own importance in the sight of humankind and God. There is nothing in the text to support the view that the people thought they could reach God's presence by building a tower.

3.Ziggurat

A popular view is that the people were building a Ziggurat- a tower built for the purpose of worship of the heavens. This meant the people were practicing the art of astrology rather than worshipping God. Yet the Hebrew word translated tower is migdol which simply means tower. In addition, the passage does not teach that the tower was for the purpose of worship.

4.Prevent A Scattering

We know the builders wanted to make a name for themselves rather than obeying God's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Hence, they attempted to build a monument to their greatness. The monument was to set themselves up as a power-center to their own fame, glory and ambition. They wanted one united government that would rule over all, in defiance to the commandment of God.

The Scripture itself tends to support this as the proper way of understanding why they built the tower. It was that the people wanted to make a name for themselves rather than glorifying God.

And they said, Come, let us build a city, and tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth (Genesis 11:4).

Summary

The Tower of Babel was built by the descendants of Noah to prevent the people from scattering. This was done in defiance of God's commandment. The Tower symbolized their own efforts to settle a land rather than to fill the earth as was God's command.

"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the regioni of Shinar with the cities ofk Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calneh."
- Genesis 10:9-10

Of course, we were given a preview of Nimrod's character, make up, earlier life and antecedents at Genesis 10:9-10 before that, the infamous event, that happened at Genesis 11:2-4. Nimrod, was a badass person so Genesis 10:9 tells us, so due to the sort of person he was, he was the person who led the "they" to go plan, to gather together and make a name for themselves etcetera

Canaan was Nimrod's uncle. True, Cush was Nimrod's father ‎and it was Canaan who was cursed to be a servants of servants to his brothers etcetera. It is probably partly trying to shake off the curse of association, with Canaan, his uncle and Ham his grandfather, that was what propelled Nimrod to be more rebellious, audacious and ambitious.

So, yup, Nimrod and Co, the descendants of Ham, that's Ham, who was neither blessed nor cursed by Noah, were envious of Shem, whose name has two meanings. The first meaning is, "renown", "be known", "make a name for self" "have a prominent name for self" et cetera. The second/alternate/parallel meaning of Shem, is, dusky red, dusky complexion, complexion with some degree of dark coloration or olive coloured et cetera.

It is the first meaning, that's of particular interest here. The descendants of Ham, we're envious of Shem and his descendants' legacy. They, talking of Ham's descendants because of something in their gene, that still filtered through even after the flood destroying all bad people, coveted Shem and his descendants' heritage and so too, wanted to make a name for themselves, wanted to have name for themselves too, wanted to be renowned, be known all over the world, just the way Noah pronounced that blessing on Shem and his descendants. The descendants of Ham wanted all this, not because of God, not for the glory of God even not to glorify God by it, but was for the self centred reason of be known all over the place for themselves too. They wanted to make and have a name too for themselves.

Lastly and very significantly to note, is that, also, the erection of the tower, was going to typically reminiscence ‎Genesis 4:26b. It was literally them going to use the Tower to profane God's name. The final and successful erection of the high riding pointing in the sky tower, was going to be a symbol of sticking the middle finger up at God with it, as if saying go "f" yourself. God wasn't having any of that effrontery. He's had enough of Nimrod and the descendants of Ham's insolence and bad behaviour, that He came down to throw a spanner in their thoughts and so their plan effectively was disrupted.

Man looks at outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. God could see and smell them from 10 miles away, so before they got started, God came down to throw a spanner into their works.‎ Their plan was to make that the first tower and then replicate it to other places. That wasn't going to happen.

Yes, Nimrod and his company, attempted building the tower to get a name for themselves, have their own god(s) and be their own god, having no need for God and no need to call on His name.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by MuttleyLaff: 10:58am On Aug 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
There was Rome before Christianity. Isn't it?

... and your point is?
What if there was Rome, before Christianity was instituted in Rome, marshalled as a state official religion by Emperor Constantine?

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 10:45am On Aug 16, 2020

adoyi8:
So what it takes to become an anti christ is becoming a billionaire by solving human needs. God please make me an anti christ.

Nope, but becoming a billionaire is part of the pay-offs for being one of the many antichrists out there. There aren't necessarily and really solving human needs, but are solving the Antichrist and/or PTB need(s)

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 7:24am On Aug 16, 2020

OkCornel:
Wow, kei144... so the goalpost has shifted from first half of 2020 to within 3 months from today?
https://www.nairaland.com/5366121/rapture-take-place-first-half#81361581

Kobojunkie:
What should happen should this prophecy of yours turn out a lie, Kei144?
In the old covenant, you and all your supporters would be stoned to death on the spot.

Kei144:
2 Cor. 13:1
This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."

So many people have received revelations that rapture will occur this year. Search for "rapture 2020" on YouTube.

Am. 3:7
Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

Jesus Christ said to somebody recently:
"My son, tragedy after tragedy after tragedy will ensue after the final day, the day of deliverance of my children from the earth. My son, I want you and all my children to know and understand that my coming will be destruction to those left behind. My son I wish none to perish but come to the knowledge of my saving grace. My son all my children need to talk to the lost while there is still time."

What should happen should this prophecy of yours and the rest, turn out to be Jeremiah 23:32 true, Kei144?

Since you've shifted the goal post quite a few number of times, as OkCornel rightly too has noticed, just answer Kobojunkie's simple, easy, direct and straightforward question, stop beating about the bush, but tell what's to happen to you and the others, should nothing such of your prediction(s) happens in 2020.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by MuttleyLaff: 7:02am On Aug 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
There is nothing like Christian name. James, Peter, Paul have it origin in Rome, not Christianity.

Abraham is Jewish name but adopted by Christians today. So can Hephzibah

Apostle James's Hebrew name is Yaaqob, and its derived from the Anglicised Jacob name
Apostle Peter's original name was Simeon, which means "wavering". He was given the Aramaic name, Cephas, meaning "stone" or when translated to Greek, the name is Petros, meaning "rock", by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, signifying steadiness, as in meaning, not anymore wavering, shaking, flicking/swinging about, moving about, having indecision moments et cetera. Cephas

Apostle Paul's Hebrew name is Saul, and it means, "prayed for or asked for" while his second name, being a Roman citizen, was Paul, which means, "small, modest, humble"

Anglicised names in a way, manner and in their own rights are Christian/Christianised names. Christianity, as a matter of fact was instituted in Rome, marshalled as a state official religion by Emperor Constantine

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by MuttleyLaff: 6:35am On Aug 16, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
Ifeoluwakiishi. Isn't that one lovely?

It is lovely and inspired. It gives a meaningful expression of the still indomitable vigour and vitality of God's love.

So what's the shortened form going to be? Is it Ife, Ifeolu, Olu or 'Kiishi ni?

PS: "AdunniOluwa" shortened to "Adun"
"Oluladunsimi" shortened to "'Ladun or 'Simi"
"Didunnimi" shortened to "Didun,"
"Orisunadun" shortened to "Adun"
"Olutamiladun" shortened to "Tami"
"Adunlatokewa" shortened to "Toke"
"Aduntojọmiloju" shortened to "Tojọ"
"Adunlatoluwa" shortened to "Tolu"
"Adunmare" shortened to "Adun"
"Oluladunsimi" and "Oludunsimi" shortened to "Ladun or 'Simi"
"Adunnilọmọ" shortened to "Adunni"
"Adunbanle" shortened to "Adun or 'Banle"
"Adunfunkẹ" shortened to "Adun, or 'Funkẹ"
cc: FOLYKAZE

Culture › Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by MuttleyLaff: 5:46am On Aug 16, 2020*

donnie:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12117873_6f53599c62bdb43bb74ced235ffe441b_jpeg17034f28e8aaf18153a80f7c6a319d55

WE ARE NOT THE SAME.

MuttleyLaff:
The first picture of President Gamal Abdel Nasser has a fictitious quote and should be ignored.

I have a copy of the entire duration of the interview from what that fabricated quote was made from. Nowhere from start to finish did he say anything about Jews leaving black and returning white in the full interview. I watched donnie paste the picture the other day, and I just laughed to myself, saying if only donnie knew and kept my peace. Hmm.

MuttleyLaff:
I watched the full interview with its audio from start to end.

You see my friend that yours and donnie picture quotes are made up. President Nasser didn't say anything about the Jews' skin colour and its more the reason you cant find anywhere in the world, of the supposed quote on video or audio.

morpheus24:
Any one with and IQ above 80 can see that you are dyslexic.
When you read that bones were found of dead Africans in Europe you extrapolate that information to mean they were Jews then in the same breath another writer tells you Jews migrated into Africa and assimilated with the people that already existed in Africa. i would call that as having a very wild imagination.

So i am guessing the Africans who inhabited this region before the arrival were E3b1A carriers who spoke another language and then the jews that now migrated into Africa from the Levant speaking Bantu languages were also E3b1A at the same time and they just came down melted together with this original Africans and then subplanted the original Afrians language family and made them speak Bantu. HAHAHAHAHAHa!

You my friend have an IQ that is below par.

[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img]
I have been saying this fact about this my racist and confused "customer mi ni daada's" sub biblical literacy, low biblical IQ, afrocentrism and dyslexia for a very long time.

In fact, President Gamal Abdel Nasser, in the interview, actually called the Jews, their Egyptian brothers.

Also it is only Zondervan's Compact Bible Dictionary that postulates this Negro scam. No one, no other bible dictionary and nobody else does except for this dictionary and Young's Compact Bible Dictionary. Its amazing to know why no one else aside Zondervan and Young Bible Dictionaries, why it's them two only, that have Negroes, in a dictionary, invented, but its not the Egyptians themselves inventing the word
cc: macof, OkCornel

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Romance › Re: Best Caption For This Image Wins by MuttleyLaff: 4:46am On Aug 16, 2020*

Danhoys:
I just don't know the perfect caption for this image

Stop being afraid of what's not wrong and don't let anyone dull the sparkle

Danhoys:
Me and ~~my ancestor~~

Ageism

Danhoys:
~~Beauty~~ and ~~the beast~~

Appearance bias

Christianity Etc › Re: List Of Gods Born By A Virgin On 25th December by MuttleyLaff: 4:39am On Aug 16, 2020

Saveme99:
How dare you classify the KING OF GLORY with other smaller god's? OH I remember how merciful JEHOVA GOD is. May his mercy heal your ignorance. SHALOM

khia:
Is Jesus Christ a god?

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is God and vice versa

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 4:35am On Aug 16, 2020

engrtee:
Don't you want to make heaven..let it end faster ............fear fear

God has no given us the spirit of fear, but of love, power and sound mind/sound judgment

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 9:13pm On Aug 15, 2020

Righteousness89:
Ok sir!
Keep Decieving yourself!

Its not OK until you describe "rapture" in action and circumstance with two to three examples

Christianity Etc › Re: How I viewed Homosexuality back then as an Athiest, and Now by MuttleyLaff: 9:11pm On Aug 15, 2020*

kimco:
Ah! How can you quote exodus...before christ and later quote galatians to prove your point? Do you not see that both are from different eras? Surely you cannot be serious....think of the culture in these two eras and realise that you are conveniently moving the goalpost.

Also enough with this it was never in God's plan...if it wasn't in his plan why spur Israel on to fight wars then? What do you think happens during wars? Slaves are made from survivors.

Mr.! your god approved of slaves made from foreign lands....he only disapproves of those amongst his own people. If you quoted the whole chapter, others would have pointed it out to you as well. Try again.

I'll reiterate that Genesis 1:26 has explicitly made it clear and know what in the beginning, before the fall, what the expectation, expected end is

Africans, Caucasians et cetera were kidnapped and sold into slavery. The Israelites themselves, strangers in Egypt, a foreign land, were for 430 years turned into slaves. It was never in God's original plan for man to dominate his fellow man

We are doing a full circle, going back to how it originally and in the beginning was set out to be and Galatians 3:28 above there, clears the air, on the whole slave matter.

Fyi, mister man, Galatians 3:28, is making a full circle back to Genesis 1:26

Christianity Etc › Re: How I viewed Homosexuality back then as an Athiest, and Now by MuttleyLaff: 9:03pm On Aug 15, 2020

Danhoys:
You think I have time for this?

For you, I easily can make the time for you and this. It is soft work

Danhoys:
Do you actually think I'm gonna sit down while trashing this with you?

For all I care, you can stand on your feet, float in air, while you woefully fail in any attempt to trash this here

Danhoys:
Nah... You're free to wallow in whatever delusion you might have.

Truth, is always a delusion and ironically, you have the most to learn from the delusion

Christianity Etc › Re: How I viewed Homosexuality back then as an Athiest, and Now by MuttleyLaff: 7:26pm On Aug 15, 2020

kimco:
How about you quote the whole of exodus 21...

From what i read its obvious the *man* being referred to is an Israelite man, not the men captured from war from other nations. Try again.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither slave nor free,
there is neither male and female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
- Galatians 3:28

I don't need to quote the whole of Exodus 21, when Genesis 1:26 has explicitly made it clear and know what in the beginning, before the fall, what the expectation, expected end is

Africans, Caucasians et cetera were kidnapped and sold into slavery. The Israelites themselves, strangers in Egypt, a foreign land, were for 430 years turned into slaves. It was never in God's original plan for man to dominate his fellow man

We are doing a full circle, going back to how it originally and in the beginning was set out to be and Galatians 3:28 above there, clears the air, on the whole slave matter

Christianity Etc › Re: Rapture Within 3 Months Confirmed. (around The USA 2020 Election.) by MuttleyLaff: 7:24pm On Aug 15, 2020*

Righteousness89:
The Word "Bible" do you Find it in the Bible?

Don't DECIEVE your bro! Rapture is a Word that Describes the Catching away of the saints.

See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, 1 Corithians 15:51-52. This is Rapture

The word Bible, its meaning and implication are not being contested nor in contention here but it is the word rapture, its meaning and implication that is

All you've unashamedly done with 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, is nothing other than just sheer out of the tin, proof-texting

Describe "rapture" in action and circumstance with two to three examples

Christianity Etc › Re: Difference Between Demons & Fallen Angels by MuttleyLaff: 7:06pm On Aug 15, 2020

DappaD:
What proof do you have that Peter and Jude quoted from the boE? NONE right?

For all we know the boE attached such verses to make it seem legit.

Thank you very much. You deserve a bottle of orijin

That Book of Enoch (i.e. BoE) and the rest of the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books are fictional best seller books written after Jesus' death between the first to fifth centuries

petra1:
It was part of the Dead Sea scrolls . Among other books like Isaiah and co.

Secondly that’s the only book that contains the prophecy of Enoch

Where did Jude quote from

petra1, I am sure you have had quite a few occasions to quote from the Quran, without at all endorsing, supporting or promoting it but sheerly just quoted it just to reinforce a point or just make a point by quoting from it.

Apostle Peter, first before Jude, made references to the Book of Enoch (i.e. BoE) and did so without even mentioning the name of the accursed book. They both did so, only to make a point to the those easily impressionable and easily influenced early believers who have already read the book, and being led astray by the tall tales in.

These circa 1st-5th century believers being familiar with the BoE, would have recognised, it is its content that's being referred to by Apostle Peter in his letter, at which Apostle Jude, later and after confirmed in his letter, that all Apostle Peter warned about, has come to pass (i.e. false teachings, slandering angels et cetera)

Christianity Etc › Re: Difference Between Demons & Fallen Angels by MuttleyLaff: 6:52pm On Aug 15, 2020

Petra1 and Kobojunkie, to certain degrees are right in their summations, and so are getting my likes as when and where merited

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