atoleybaba: what damage do sex before marriage cause? But it is also something God doesnt allow. When u answer that, then I will give you many reasons to show God is against homosexuality
One word: Fornication.
I want to believe you are a honest, sincere, and truthful honourable poster, so please answer my all questions back in the same numbered order format you were asked them and don't try be responding back with hiding your answers in a maze and/or haze, making it hard for others reading, to logically follow and clearly see what you've responded to. Thank you in advance for being a sport.
Yes, persons can be born homosexual. They can be born with sexual attraction to their own sex and not to the opposite sex.
Matthew 19:12, in the words of Yahshua Ha Mashiah, aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the world testifies to this fact and truth
Kalusam: The Bible doesn’t comment directly on the biology of homosexual desires, though it acknowledges that we are all born with a tendency to go against what God commands. (Romans 7:21-25) Rather than focus on the cause of homosexual desires,
The Bible is not a book on sexology, so why are you expecting to directly read on the biology of homosexual desires in it. Smh sigh.
You are proof-texting there with Romans 7:21-25 and you know it .
If you had anatomically and physiologically done your research properly, you would have found and learn how homosexual were divinely given thought to in the design of man.
The Bible prohibits promiscuous homosexual acts. Period. It prohibits homosexual acts associated with male/female temple prostitution, pagan ritual sexual orgies, lying to oneself and ones nature, idolatry sex worship desecrating the worship and reverence of God, sperm consumption and fertility ritual ceremonies et cetera, lmso
nigeriansamurai: [s]Alot of places in the bible im coming sir...[/s]
You'll be shell shocked if/when you do provide the lots of places in the bible and get to find out that they all have strong association with infidelity, promiscuity, male/female temple prostitution, pagan ritual sexual orgies, lying to oneself and ones nature, idolatry sex worship desecrating the worship and reverence of God, sperm consumption and fertility ritual ceremonies et cetera, lmso.
nigeriansamurai: [s]P/S Stop deceiving yourself with rhetorical questions[/s]
I asked the question so you'll have an Ah-ha moment of discovery. I am expecting answers from you, so dont class the questioning to be rhetorical. Smh sigh, rhetorical questions indeed my foot
olujosh301: Have you ever heard of the story of sodom and gomorrah in the bible? Why do you think the whole city was destroyed? God doesn't like anything immoral but he is merciful to those who repent
Please answer my questions back in the same numbered order format you are/were being asked them and dont be responding back with hiding your answers in a maze and/or haze, making it hard for others reading, to logically follow and clearly see what you've responded to.
1/ Why not, you go first tell why S&G was destroyed. Give your learned reason why the whole city was destroyed, then I will give mine too. Deal? lmso 2/ Are all heterosexuality moral? Now tell, what specifically doesnt God like that is immoral in homosexuality and that he is merciful to those who repent?
SisterFire: [s] is like you don't know me Or shud I introduce my ass to u? Ask jesusjnr to tell u about me, I SPILL RAW TRUTH COS YOU AFRICANS MUST KNOW THE TRUTH THEN REST OF THE WORLD[/s]
SisterFire: [s] That is the perfect truth Mjbolt delete it and I shall deal with u mercilessly! Jesus once raped him[/s]
SisterFire: [s]...shut up Yahweh might hate gayism but his son Jesus is the king of all gays[/s]
SisterFire: [s]omoslim I knew u as a peace lover but the truth is that yahweh aka Satan hates gayism naturally , I would have invited u to threads where I expose Yahweh Satan the greatest programmer of the time been[/s]
If you want to go the uninformed immoral route, then please state what specifically is the immorality. Thank you
songzDaniel01: oga why do u think God destroyed sodom and Gommorah .. ??
You go first. Give your learned reason why the whole city, Sodom and Gommorah was destroyed, then I will give mine too. Deal? lmso. Be prepared and ready to back up your answer with convincing bible reference and sound explanation, lmso
thebosstrevor1: Homosexuality is not a creation. Homosexuality is an act just like smoking and stealing in which can corrupt a human.
thebosstrevor1, Please answer my questions back in the same numbered order format, you are being asked them and dont be responding back with hiding your answers in a maze and/or haze, making it hard for others reading, to logically follow and clearly see what you've responded to
Smoking is damages organs in the body. Stealing is taking another's property without owner's authorisation. I'll re-ask you again what exactly is the fault and evil, in permissible and acceptable homosexuality?
thebosstrevor1: God created human (male and female to grow the population of the earth)
If God wanted stagnation in population, he would have created a man for a man and a woman for a woman)
You are so naive. Where did you learn that homosexuals dont add to the growing population?. Smh sigh.
thebosstrevor1: For instance in leviticus, he wrote that in leviticus 20 vs 13 we should not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. he even went further that they should be put to death.
Only a poor student of the 2 Timothy 2:15 rule of conduct, will abysmally refer to Leviticus 20 vs 13 and publicly display their ignorance of not knowing that Leviticus 20 vs 13 when contextually read is talking of homosexuality bordering on infidelity, promiscuity, and associated with male/female temple prostitution, pagan ritual sexual orgies, lying to oneself and ones nature, idolatry sex worship desecrating the worship and reverence of God, sperm consumption and fertility ritual ceremonies et cetera, lmso.
thebosstrevor1: GOD sees homosexuality as detestable and an abomination.
1/ So, why does GOD sees homosexuality as detestable and an abomination.? 2/ What particularly is it GOD sees in homosexuality as detestable and an abomination?
You lie like a cheap flea market Persia rug Muslim praying mat When and where did God says homosexuality, in general, is evil?
thebosstrevor1: [s]... and God warn us against sleeping with our kind ...[/s]
When and where did God warn us against sleeping with our kind? Are homosexual alien or not of your kind ni?
thebosstrevor1: ... it warns us about man sleeping with man and woman with woman.
Smh sigh, when and where does God warn us about man sleeping with man and woman with woman. Please provide your reference that shows the warning about man sleeping with man. Also provide your reference for warning about woman with woman, so we can review it and see from context what your reference(s) really is talking about
thebosstrevor1: So how will God accept something he hates.
What specifically is it that God hates in homosexuality and/or heterosexuality?
"When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus told him, “Hurry and do what you’re going to do.”" - John 13:27
"48Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The One I kiss is the man; arrest Him.” 49Going directly to Jesus, he said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed Him. 50“Friend,” Jesus replied, “do what you came for.” Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus, and arrested Him.…" - Matthew 26:48-50
@MJBOLT Fyi, Judas, the betrayer, a supposed friend and follower's choice to betray Yahshua Ha Mashiah aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world with a kiss was treachery and a pre-arranged signal was that the person whom Judas kissed was to be who is to be arrested and taken to the Jewish authorities for trial.
MaxInDHouse: @DrLivelogic Try to be calm when you're trying to respond to a post, Muttleylaff and johnw47 gave you the key to avoid being barred from commenting but it's like you're too hasty whenever you sight a post that interests you and instantly you forget to apply what they told you!
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DrLiveLogic: Thank you very very much johnw47. Seems you and MuttleyLaff have noticed my predicament. I will try this next. God bless.
DrLiveLogic: Thank you very very much johnw47. Seems you and MuttleyLaff have noticed my predicament. I will try this next. God bless.
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GofuckYourself: I have touched on this several times and I always admonish ..
Very good that you are
GofuckYourself: Daily I get visits calls texts DMs and messages from several different people all passing through varied experiences and difficulty. And one common thing I have discovered is that they are mostly earnest spirits whom try as they know how to pray and seek some divine direction.
Praying and/or prayer, is more than the across board vending machine gimme, gimme, gimme experience, often employed lmso
GofuckYourself: Let me reveal to you today, a lot of human beings do not know how to pray
MuttleyLaff: It is only some, lazy and indoctrinated Far-To-See (i.e. Pharisees) and Sad-To-See (i.e. Sadducees) somebody, looking for lesser praying effort, that believes that speaking in tongues, especially with using the voice and/or vocal cords, is praying in some mysterious heavenly language. This is shameless lazy and cutting corners manoeuvres praying things.
Also most importantly, are you aware that, Paul downplays the importance of speaking in tongues? He, Paul, on record, even said, do not speak in tongues without an interpreter, but this advice and guideline, is religiously, regularly and openly disregarded during gathering worships and/or prayer sessions like as seen in this instance
My brother, if you are 110% sure of what you know and are saying with this, then please put forward the bible verse you are quoting from for this and lets together carefully and thoroughly review it
GofuckYourself: Our lord jesus christ the purest of love from God the father came to teach us how to live aright, how to shun mediocrity, materialism and focus through his teachings to relate to God the father our creator properly ..
But as at this time lucifer still had his spear so the power of the fallen one was great indeed , he could control and manipulate billions of people's thought processes and veil his intent behind fancy words and religious piety.
He not only convinced the church (then known as Pharisees and Sadducees) that the murder of the son of God wasn't a crime he also convinced mankind that the Son of God came to die for them via ritual suicide and they believed this falsehood and spread if across generations ..
He knew that Lord Jesus teachings would ensure more and more human spirits would come here nature and ascend to higher realms there by he would loose his army , so what did lucifer do?
He convinced the mind of the church leaders to alter the accounts of Christ's teachings to show that God the father loved mankind too too much that he sent his son to commit suicide! Wait what?
But this same God could as well turn billions of grains of sand to humans if he needed more but he kept this from their mind and fed their ego and want of an easy life by telling them their sins are paid for !
They didn't even take a second to think that even in earthly law that is imperfect and incomparable to God's law which is perfect one can't die for another in a court of law yet they choose to belittle God this way why? Because it makes they heart sleep peacefully after doing evil knowing that their sins are washed away
Lucifer went a step further he convinced the church leaders to further pervert the writings about the teachings to christ to put much emphasis on the church, men of God and gatherings in a church
When in fact this directly contradicts what christ did. Christ never went to churches to preach he intentionally avoided them for he saw they were already willing tools of lucifer and would do him harm , so he spent his time amongst the common folks.
[]Lucifer wasn't done yet he even changed the way Lord Jesus taught mankind to pray and convinced them to start speaking demon tongue and they claimed it is in the bible to speak such.
Demon tongue is an ancient version of hebrew used then by a rogue branch of judaism who rejected christ , they exalted judas for his betrayal and worshiped the fallen 7. All their leaders where high ranking members of the unified church in the post christ era.
Demon tongue is this version of hebrew spoken backwards . Aleister crowley the world famous satanist claimed he received a message from a high ranking demon on how to create a new version of demon tongue in english which he did successfully after studying that used in the German nazi party by hitler during his occulting rituals with jewish boys and girls. Later he would further learn more during his interrogation of Rudolf Hess and further expand demon tongue.
During all satanic rituals demon tongue is spoken even during demon summonings (I shall expand on this another day)
The nazi party new was dedicated to lucifer hence their symbol was a cross with broken arms.. lucifer disliked anything concerning God hence why he and Aliester crowley kept in touch.
In demon tongue when you are invoking a demon usually during the witching hour you must invoke the name of the 7 fallen ones mind you you speaking everything you say backwards for example
I kemi servant of you the morning star the fallen beauty the hated and despised unjustly I beseech thee , belial I beseech thee, now every single word is spoken as written in the xxxxxx text but backwards while invoking the demons
Now record any session of so called speaking in tongues in any church or from the internet of from any pastor it sounds exactly like any demon tongue ritual now wait for someone who is in that their usual frenzy state speaking this so called tongue record it and play it backwards... You would be surprised
Alot of you are praising demons and praying to lucifer and not knowing it .. You wonder why your prayers just aren't answered and for those whose prayers are who exactly answered them ?
It was not God the father ..
Look at the simplicity in the way Lord Jesus taught mankind to pray...
"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen."
It's simple and a prayer you pray silently that your neighbor can't hear .. try praying this in demon tongue .. it just won't work because darkness can't stand the light !
Lord jesus taught us the way and the truth but lucifer through mankind distorted it.
Every single recorded time Lord Jesus prayed be it in gardens or in fields it was silent and calm and in clarity not in demon tongue but today's church has distorted everything just as they did all his teachings
MuttleyLaff: There is every legitimate reason to type that this is fake because the way this speaking in tongues is being done today, just as with other church folks and 21st century believers, is uttering unintelligible words that is babble and confused noise made by a number of different and varying voice pitches. This is not speaking in tongues (i.e. not speaking in a foreign language) but is mere babbling by unintelligible utterraces
It is the end time deception of the demonic spirit in Rev 16:13-14, symbolised as three unclean spirits that looked like frogs. And how do frogs catch their prey? Yes, by using tongues to snare believers with their false speaking in tongues deception
To speak in tongues, means audibly saying something out or make sounds with your voice to express your thoughts and feelings in a structured, conventional, intelligible and understandable way
Speak in tongues is language (i.e. tongues of man=human language) and has the same meaning with mother tongue, native tongue, dialect, vernacular etcetera. For example, you can speak in vernacular, can speak in your local dialect, might speak in a native tongue or speak in your mother tongue.
Importantly also, there is nothing like speaking in angelic or angel's tongue or heavenly language. It is from nonsense like this that the heresy about angels impregnating human beings come about and people believe the trash
Thank you my dear very good brother for this undiluted truthful words. We all, have spoken this feigned glossa, sometimes referred to as "ecstatic utterances", that is confused with, the real glossa, which is the biblical "gift of tongues".
The real glossa and this man-made and fake other glossa, are like chalk and cheese, they are completely different from each other.
Not many, including you Truthin/Action, know that, speaking in tongues, actually, in a way that suggests or resembles a miracle, is speaking in another ACTUAL HUMAN languages, that one couldn't speak before.
Also most importantly, are you aware that, Paul downplays the importance of speaking in tongues? He, Paul, on record, even said, do not speak in tongues without an interpreter, but this advice and guideline, is religiously, regularly and openly disregarded during gathering worships and/or prayer sessions like as seen in this instance
My brother, if you are 110% sure of what you know and are saying with this, then please put forward the bible verse you are quoting from for this and lets together carefully and thoroughly review it
"13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. 16Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? 17For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up." - 1 Corinthians 14:13–17
"So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those believing, but to the unbelieving; but prophecy is not to the unbelieving, but to the believing." - 1 Corinthians 14:22
Lets get this straight. I hope you're not saying that from your understanding, praying in the Holy Ghost equates to praying or speaking in tongues, hmm? Or contrary to what 1 Corinthians 14:22 says, you're saying that it is OK to speak to yourself in a tongue you dont understand, so far its done in private?
OK let's make this easier to think about: Can you hear your thoughts inside your head? Neither can the devil hear your thoughts in your head or what you say in your mind So isnt it clear now that, we give the devil unnecessary credit, thinking we are circumventing and finding a way around the devil to God, hmm?
Just foolery and shenanigans of the highest order abound.
MuttleyLaff: It is delusion and make believe uttering gibberish and nonsensical noise, altenating between varying high voice pitches. When people are lazy to articulate their prayers, they resort to this quick fix alternate method to pray. I wonder why Jesus never employed this method, if it was that potent
These aren't prayers to God these are demonic chants and enrope you and chain your spirit to demons
Tomorrow you will be calling me to tell me how demons are using you to play lawn tennis? Off course they will, you have been invoking them...
Learn to pray aright .
As always I am available for counselling.
Good morning all
@GofuckYourself Wow what an impressive wonderful and refreshing write up piece you have up here.
I can see quite a few posters throwing you stones, and thats because they cant stand seeing you being a good tree, full of fruits, lmso. They see a lot of harvest in you and aren't please about it, lmso. Don't go down to their level by throwing them back the stones, but throw them your fruits, so the seeds of yourself may inspire them to change their ways. As for that chief antagonist poster, throw him cum her a flower and the flower pot with it, lmso.
The truth is no longer hidden, its posters, now who are hiding from the truth, lmso, smh sigh.
Goshen360: Please back off and retrace your steps....you may have been taught wrongly about tongues.... I was once like u but im not ashamed to come out and see i was wrong.
Btw, let me ask you something that might set u free from false teaching of tongues.....
How the one who interpret tongues know what to interpret when the interpreter himself doesn't understand the language or tongues?
cyberuzo: Just out of curiosity, I looked up Jude 1: 20 - 21 and it says But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
It NEVER mentioned anything about speaking in tongues. Be careful how you lie with the Bible to illustrate your point. Your credibility went down immediately I saw your misinterpretation.
hoopernikao: Praying in tongues and speaking in tongues are one and the same. Paul's explanation of tongues showed that. Study Paul's language switch in teaching tongues in 1 Cor 14. Praying in, praying with, speaking in, speaking with, tongues, spirit, Holy Ghost all mean the same as related to tongues. It's a grammar thing no different.
Compliments Sir.
Speaking in my dialect, praying in my dialect and even singing in my dialect, are each and all, the same thing, lmso
Bodydiialect57: How can you claim to love the God you have not seen, and yet hate your neighbor?
The true proof of our love for God is the love shown to others.
That's the main thing.
How can you claim to love the God you have not seen, and yet deny your neighbour mutually and unconditionally loving each other until death do part?
The true proof of our love for God is to allow unconditional love to be alive, thrive and/or flourish. Whoever that stands in the way of love does not know God, because God is love and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them.
To love, and be loved back in return, is to experience a blessed glimpse of heaven. Praise God. Alleluia!
shadeyinka: Jephthah meant "whatever" or "anything/anyone" capable of coming out of the house. Even though it is not used for human beings however the context is clear else Jephthah's daughter wouldn't have been subject to his vows!
Definition of It by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also ...www.lexico.com › definition pronoun: Referring to an animal or child of unspecified sex. 'she was holding the baby, cradling it and smiling into its face'
Smh sigh at your personal bias even in the face of glaring what is actually the case, lmso
Only a city dweller will make a comment like this, saying "I honestly don't know of any animal that comes out to welcome its owner other than dogs", lmso
shadeyinka: [s]Even then, a dog will not pass as a sacrificial animal.[/s]
Go back to re-read my post to see that dogs aren't clean animals, so dont fall in the category two qualify for burnt offering. Smh sigh.
shadeyinka: [s]One wonders why Jephthah didn't insist that the it should be an animal. It was good that it wasn't one of the housemaids: it would have been an easier decision to make for Jephthah![/s]
Go back to re-read my post to see that "it" isnt used for human beings, or better still, answer my question asking you whether you use "it" for human beings
Capital YES! It was a reasonable vow, considering his calculation what he knew usually and/or regularly comes out to meet him
shadeyinka: [s]Did he expect cats and goats to come out to welcome him from battlefield? An animal that may do that is a dog but Jews don't keep dogs and dogs could never even become a sacrificial animal[/s]
Yeah, he could have expected cats and goats to welcome him from battlefield, the caveat with that, is only goat could qualify for sacrificial purposes
Where did you learn that the Israelites dont/didnt keep pet dogs. Smh
shadeyinka: Judge 11:31: "Then it shall be, that whatever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering ."
What animal could have come out of the door of Japheth fit for a burnt offering?
"37along with the grain and drink offerings for the bulls, rams, and lambs, according to the number prescribed. 38Include one male goat as a sin offering, in addition to the regular burnt offering with its grain offering and drink offering" - Numbers 29:37-38
"18Please do not depart from this place until I return to You. Let me bring my offering and set it before You.” And the LORD said, “I will stay until you return.” 19So Gideon went in and prepared a young goat and unleavened bread and an ephah of flour. He placed the meat in a basket and the broth in a pot and brought them out to present to Him under the oak." - Judges 6:18-19
As, I have, in the above comment mentioned that cats won't qualify for sacrificial purposes, because only certain "clean" animals were allowed for sacrifice, so the answer to your truculent question is goat, will be the animal that could and/or would have come out of the door of Jephthah fit for a burnt offering?. Examples will be: oxen or cattle, sheep, goats et cetera. These animals have cloven or split hooves and chew the cud, but cat dont.
Now answer this, do you use it for human beings
By the way, you keep typing Japheth, when it correctly is, Jephthah, lmso
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We will "Visit this post on January the 16th again" you don't worry. Smh lmso sigh.
shadeyinka: My only addition is that in the times of the Judges, everyone did as he thought best in his eyes Judg 17:6: "In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes."
Scripture never posited that the vow Jephthah made was not right in all shape and form
"4When you make a vow to God, do not delay in fulfilling it, because He takes no pleasure in fools. Fulfill your vow. 5It is better not to vow than to make a vow and not fulfill it. 6Do not let your mouth cause your flesh to sin, and do not tell the messengera that your vow was a mistake. Why should God be angry with your words and destroy the work of your hands? 7For as many dreams bring futility, so do many words. Therefore, fear God." - Ecclesiastes 5:4-7
"21When you make a vow to the LORD your God, be prompt in fulfilling whatever you promised him. For the LORD your God demands that you promptly fulfill all your vows, or you will be guilty of sin. 22However, it is not a sin to refrain from making a vow. 23But once you have voluntarily made a vow, be careful to fulfill your promise to the LORD your God." - Deuteronomy 23:23
We dont need God's instruction or permission to make rational vows, even ones such as this one Jephthah made. We are not forced to make vows. We are not compelled to make vows. Making vows is personal
Second one we agree on. Absolutely 100001% he did fulfil the vows and no human beings were killed in the process of fulfilling them, lmso.
shadeyinka: 5. Did Japheth kill his daughter? No one is sure!
Why and/or what would Jephthah want to do something like for
Fyi God would never had allowed Jephthah kill his daughter nor accept Jephthah killing his daughter, so what's this "Did Japheth kill his daughter? No one is sure!" all about, when scripture clearly states that Jephthah's daughter was devoted to a lifetime of God's service and not to have carnal knowledge of man
Uptheante: In the story about a great man of valour called Jephthah who made a vow to offer as burnt offering to God anybody that first comes out of his house if God gives himvictory against the Ammonites. We learnt that it was his only child (a daughter) that first came out to welcome him & he had no option than to fulfill his vow by sacrificing her after giving her 2months to mourn her virginity in the mountains with her friends. Now, here are my questions:
1. By fulfilling his vow to God does it mean that he actually sacrificed her as burnt offering to God in the same way animals are sacrificed to God?
2. If the answer to the first question is yes, then does it mean that God accepts human sacrifice (as burnt offering) at that time?
Remember that God did not allow Abraham to sacrifice Isaac & there was no record of any human sacrifice to God before & after the incident with Jephthah
3. Could it also be possible that probably Jephthah actually meant sacrificing his daughter to the service of God & not actual sacrifice that entails burning her to death?
Pls I'm eagerly awaiting your replies
MuttleyLaff: What Jephthah did in Judges 11:31 was to combine two vows, making this appearto an untrained or unsuspecting eye to be one vow.
Judges 11:31, as a matter of fact and truth, is a coded verse, wrapping up or encompassing two vows
Judges 11:31 "Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S, and I will offer "it" up for a burnt offering"
Vow #1: "whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S"
Vow #2: "and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."
Judges 11:31, in relation to the vows, is explained like this:
Referring to Vow #1: Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. will be given over to God devoted to service)
Referring to Vow #2: Better still, if it happens to be an "IT" (i.e. an animal AND NOT a human being) then I will offer "IT", the animal, up for a burnt offering. This will be and serve as a bonus.
Judges 11:34-37 "34When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters. 35When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. “Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me! For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back.” 36And she said, “Father, if you have made a vow to the Lord, you must do to me what you have vowed, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. 37But first let me do this one thing: Let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin"
We can see from the above Judges 11:34-37 verses that when Jephthah's daughter came out to meet him, father and daughter instantly knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy (i.e. she now never will marry & she'll be sexually abstinent) and dedication to God (i.e. as per vow #1)
People like johnydon22 will go back to posts, and edit them after falling flat on face, when caught slipping, not only misunderstanding "gender-specific pronouns" but also found wanting, trying to correctly use "third person singular pronouns" lmso.
He tried to pass "it" (i.e. a "gender-neutral pronoun'') for a human being instead of correctly using "him" or "her" (i.e. "gender-specific pronouns'') lmso.
What he doesnt know is that, gender-neutral pronouns like "it" is used usually for babies or kids, and in some circumstances, where for instance the sex is unknown or indefinite Example: When the new baby arrives, "it" is going to sleep in mummy's room.
Moving forward, it needs to be recognised and understood that the "it" in Judges 11:31, is referring to an animal and not a human being or Jephthah's daughter because instead of a gender-specific pronoun insertion, it is a gender-neutral pronoun, that is in the verse
Judges 11:37-40 "37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, 40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
Lastly, there, up above is the concrete and scriptural evidence in Judges 11:39, that though there was a bit of delay in paying vow #1, it eventually got paid when Jephthah's daughter after two months, gave herself up to her fate of a lifetime "seminary work" in God's presence or temple
Vow #2 however was a DOA, as God is not interested and doesnt accept human burnt offerings anyways. No animal, acceptable as a burnt offering to God, came out to meet Jephthah so nothing to offer as burning offering here Vow #2 is not binding, as no animal, so no contest with vow #2
MuttleyLaff: No, Jephthah did not offer his daughter up for human burning sacrifice
Jephthah NEVER DID NOT use his daughter as a burnt offering anyway, this is because human burnt offering is an anathema to God and Jephthah knew this and so never did he nurse any plan nor had any intention of offering God a human burnt offering.
Besides, the burnt offering(s) the Israelites practised, always had to do with animals anyways, and never had anything to do with human being sacrifices
VBCampaign: Concerning the Tragic Death of Renua Giwa-Amu
By: Deji Yesufu
Renua Giwa Amu killed herself on the 26th of December, 2020. She was only 26 years old. Renua is the last child of Femi Giwa-Amu, a lawyer and also a pastor. Renua had taken to social media to share a bit of her anguish. Over the years she had been sharing bits and pieces of her story on her numerous social media handles, but on the 18th of September, 2020, she finally barred it all. In an open letter to him, Renua called out her father for sexually molesting her at the age of seven. She said the physical trauma was so bad she nearly died of sepsis. Having gotten over the physical pain, Renua obviously did not overcome the emotional and psychological trauma that the events caused her. As a child all she had to contend with was the pain of sexual abuse but as she grew older, Renua had other issues to deal with. She explained in her letter to her father:
“Entire chunks of my memory were once lost and taken from me, entire friendships and interests and hobbies and goals I had just vanished and might still not fully ever come back… Instead I carried around such intense feelings of shame, regret and self-loathing disgust that it consumed me most times… Good or bad, traumatic or not, those memories of mine that hurt me and triggered me for so long have finally woken me up and reminded me that I promised myself if I survived you, escaped, and somehow found enough sanity to be willing to return home that I would never set foot in Nigeria unless I had publicly acknowledged that fact that you continually raped me as a seven-year old child until I had a possible prepubescent miscarry and almost died of sepsis. I wasn’t even in primary 4 yet.”
Renua will later warn the public to beware of her family shedding crocodile tears at her passing. Following her death, however, the family blamed her death on her psychological imbalance. Ezim Giwa-Amu Ede, one her aunts, wrote on Facebook on the 1st of January, 2021:
“… In September (2020) Renua started having her crisis again because she wouldn’t take her medication. She accused my brother, her father, of Rape, incest and abuse… The story went viral. All the gossip mongers thrived in circulating it. It became trending news nationwide…” In other words, Renua’s suicide should be blamed on her psychiatry history.
I did not learn of Renua’s story until after her death when various online news portals begun to publish the story. My first reaction to the story was one of deep grief. I did not know the girl but somehow I could identify with her struggles; except that I do not think that suicide was the route she should have taken out of it. I browsed through her Facebook wall and saw the video of her conversation with her mother. I saw that all that concerned the mum in that conversation was Renua taking down the September 18 open letter she wrote to her father. It was obvious that all that concerned the Giwa-Amu family was the preservation of the family name and thier integrity in the public; not the restoration of a broken and battered young woman. Renua had accused her parents, uncles and aunts in the letter of various things and I am not surprised that following her death they will be making every effort to preserve the family name. When Ezim Giwa-Amu Ede made reference to Renua’s stopping to use her medication, she was making an argument that is very familiar to me.
When I began to criticize churches on the practice of tithing, one church that had suffered the brunt of my criticism the most begun to suggest that I was psychologically imbalanced. They sold this line to a number of people and it eventually reached my wife, who then told me. Thankfully I have no records of visiting any psychiatric clinic in my life and I do not use hard drugs or anything that might warrant imbalance in my thinking. The “psychological imbalance” argument is cheap blackmail that only low thinking and defeated individuals employ to dispel sound arguments on the lips of their opponents. It does not always work but where it sails through the victim is quite easily discarded as one whose utterances should not be taken seriously.
Nuru Ribadu, the former anti-corruption official and pioneer Executive Chairman of Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), is social media famous for this quote that says: "When you fight corruption, corruption fights you back" It is regarded, as likely to happen that when people's faults are pointed out to them, they will respond back with damage control and even maim the messenge, whilst completely ignoring the message
VBCampaign: I have not said that Femi Giwa-Amu raped his daughter. What Renua said, and went further to accentuate with her suicide, still remains an allegation. Unfortunately allegations of sexual molestation that happened some twenty years ago is almost never proven – even if it were to get to hallowed chambers of a competent court of law, as we saw recently in the Biodun Fatoyinbo/Dakolos rape case. My issue with the Giwa-Amu family is not that they were accused of doing many sordid things; my issue with them is thier almost graveyard silence and nonchalance when their daughter was making these allegations. When Renua began to talk about her funeral was when the family should have stepped in and ensured that she did not hurt herself. Unfortunately and probably coupled with the fact that she was living outside Nigeria, the family left her to herself and then published the news of her passing – referring to her as some beautiful soul.
The first thing I did, was to go search for pictures of Femi Giwa-Amu. Why would I be going about doing something like, lmso. Well it simply is because, often, a person's face is like a open book, that reveals his/her inner nature, personality, health and even character. I wanted to see what he looks like, as I've heard people say that, the face is more honest than the mouth will ever be. That the face is the soul of the body and that your face is a book, where men may read strange matters. So I thought, if I could see Femi Giwa-Amu picture(s), maybe it will have tales to tell or show whether this man can be held capable and culpable for doing this thing, but alas I didn't come out trumps. I couldn't say whether or not, this man a villain or a victim from looking up his picture(s)
I am not passing any further comments here, except for making one sentence, which is. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known, but we are talking of a different story, once its abused, misused or especially adulterate used.
VBCampaign: It is this attitude of trying to cover up a family name at the expense of the psychological damage that a person has experienced that causes some of us to be a bit sympathetic with Renua’s story and to regard it as almost certainly true. The Giwa-Amu family is a very educated lot and perhaps the trait for argumentation which Oje Giwa-Amu (another of Renua’s uncle) has for religious issues on Facebook is a family trait they now use to defend their integrity in public. I understand quite a number of them are lawyers and they may wish to dispute this position of mine but whatever else they may say, I would really want to know what any of them did at reaching this young woman when she began to suggest suicide. If they did nothing, I will have to conclude that they are culpable in this young woman’s death.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. We, as outsiders, do not have full info to all that's gone down and/or on within this family's walls.
VBCampaign: I would never understand the psychology behind pedophilia. It is enough to know that it is a psychological problem that needs medical attention. Perhaps as the Giwa-Amu family explains what they did to forestall Renua’s suicide, they should also explain what they did when this young woman began to make these accusations of her father. If all they did was to seek to cover it up and preserve the family name, they have her blood on their hands.
Pedophilia, is a disorder and dysfunction of the brain. Have you ever tried eating unripe guava fruit or banana, hmm? I dont really want to comment here but will say, hmm, you surely aren't familiar with effects of marijuana aka cannabis use that leads to psychosis. Obviously this family's lives are ruined, the family is broken up and they've experienced disastrous effects. Only God knows.
VBCampaign: Incest did not begin with our day; it is a long established sin that comes with the effect of the fall on human beings. Nevertheless the internet has helped to make us more aware of the evil all around us. In cases of incest, there are two victims: the perpetrator and the victim. Both of them will need medical attention and psychiatry evaluation. The Nigerian government may also help by enforcing laws instituted against this evil. Nigerian families should realize that some evils are not better solved by covering them up. When we cover up issues like incest, we allow the victim’s pains to fester to the point that many of them might begin to consider suicide as a way out. Renua Giwa Amu’s death is a perfect case in point.
Source: h t tps://textandpublishing.com/concerning-the-tragic-death-of-renua-giwa-amu/
Attached photo: Renua Giwa-Amu
I am sorry, but incest, is not in the same league as pedophilia. Pedophilia, unlike incest isnt even recorded in the Bible. Why?. It is a taboo and of course, because everyone had the good sense not to in biblical days, dabble into it. I guess its more the reason, it didnt for posterity sake get recorded. As naive as it might sound, I insist that people just didnt then do it. Who in their right sense, has sexual thoughts about children or sexual fantasy for kids, hmm?
I am sure you are familiar with Pastor A. Odulele and Bishop Eddie Long RIP's provocative sexual escapades
VBCampaign, sorry your post got hidden yesterday at 9:09pm On Jan 06.
This means the originally post shouldn't be directly quoted then else whoever that does it, will have their posted hidden from view and defo get a posting ban as well, lmso
Janosky: [s]Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself posting GIBBERISH ,* Luke 7:35, " Wisdom is proved righteous by it's children". Na Which organ wisdom get to born children? * Romans 6:23, sin pays wages, Bros , is sin an employer of labour ? * Romans 7:11, "sin seduced me", sin na person? 1 Corinthians 15:55, death gives a sting , death has victory, na person?
According to your logic, sin , death , wisdom all na person Bros, RECEIVE SENSE Bros, Go and write your own Matthew 24:36.
Romans 11:34 Who has come to know Jehovah's mind?" 1 Corinthians 2:16, " we have the mind of Christ" .[/s]
Emusan: Still repeating the same nonsense all the the times.
1. Holy Spirit has MIND 2. Holy Spirit can be grieved 3. Holy Spirit has the ability of KNOWING 4. Holy Spirit can hear 5. Holy Spirit can Speak 6. Holy Spirit has emotions 7. Holy Spirit has a will
Can you provide A PERSON who doesn't have ALL THESE?
Yes ONLY A PERSON has MIND
and the scripture says The Holy Spirit has MIND.
what's your point Mr lying liar?
MaxInDHouse: It's only persons that have names, JEHOVAH is the name of the Most High God {Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18} JESUS is the name of God's only begotten SON, but God's Holy Spirit is not a person rather it's God's active force so it doesn't have a personal name!
MuttleyLaff: King David in Psalm 51:11, referred to it as "qodesh ruach" It is called a person, because as I earlier shared about its nature, it has combination of real human being characteristics and/or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.
An electric force, doesnt have real human being personalities so it isnt called a person. The force of a dam wall hasn't got any real human being personality so it isnt called a person. The Holy Spirit has real human being personalities hence why in that respect it is a person, lmso
Religion / Re: Do Homosexuals Have A Place In God's Kingdom? by MuttleyLaff: 10:20am On Jan 10, 2021 
