 Religion / Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by MuttleyLaff: 12:30pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Acehart:
Olukulùku enia ti o gberaga li aiya, irira ni loju Oluwa: bi a tilẹ fi ọwọ so ọwọ, kì yio wà laijiya. elated177:
False accuser of the saints. Do you know what humility before the Creator means? It is clearly different from the world's view of humility. You are wasting your time quoting Scriptures that you have no regard for.
It is the pride in your own heart that is making you reacting exactly the way you are. Ehehehehe!
Do you approve of homosexuality or not? MuttleyLaff:
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Do you approve of all kinds, forms or instances of heterosexuality or not? |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 12:20pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:
I think you went tangent to my position o!
Yes: means I agree that God can send Himself on errand (with illustration as the soul of man can send the body on errands)
Yes: means God can be everywhere at the same time as the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit can be everywhere at the same time.
Where you see a single personality manifesting in three forms, I see a perfect union of three distinct personalities (just as the Body, Soul and Spirit of a man are distinct yet the same person) I am sure you can see that you went off tangent to reformulate my two questions by changing the format of the questioning and thereafter went about, so not answering back exactly and in toto, the questions in their original wording. You actually made up questions for answers you already had in mind to push. Why is it hard sticking to not helping yourself, in changing how I asked them two questions, hmm? My questions were person(s) specific. The first question was solely centred round God and Son, while the second question had nothing in it, asking about the Word nor the Holy Spirit, but you decided to frame my questions to suit your already formed ideas. I've just had a flat tyre and so currently waiting for the RAC to turn up and swap in the spare. |
| Religion / Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by MuttleyLaff: 9:10am On Jan 02, 2021 |
Acehart:
You are proving MuttleyLaff right when he said this of you: “You avoid answering questions because you know you will be pinned down and get being exposed”. Well, I was cheering you on but I guess it’s not worthwhile. elated177:
Ndo o! Sorry o! Cheering who on? I didn't know I was in any competition that required "cheering on."
Dude, go through my threads. The young man who asked this question before you knows very well that both of us have gone through such episode before. I am not here to seek your approval or commendation.
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| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 8:43am On Jan 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:
I think I did!
I said YES but in the light of my illustration/analogy of the trinity of man. OK. At least I am clear what your positioning is regarding them two questions I asked and I think you are saying to the first question: Yes, you're putting limitation on God and suggesting that, it is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to send Himself on an errand, as a Son, to earth" and for the second question, you also say: Yes, you're putting limitation on God by suggesting that: It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to project out from Himself to then after, concurrently exist in two places?" Thank you for clarifying both. Anyways I'll be back in here again circa PM. See you then |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 8:02am On Jan 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:
The illustration of Trinity using the state of water or any other solid is okay for comprehension but not precise enough. The closest I still find is the trinity of man as an example. The next closest illustration to this is the "Wave-Particle Duality" of matter (howbeit in 2D).
First answering your questions:
1. God sends Himself on errand as the Father composing His will/plan, the Word expressing the command and the Spirit of God actualising the command.
It is analogous to my soul willing to fast and my body (in spite of having its own will, complying by not eating.)
With due respect, your illustration break down in the sense that (using your illustration): it isn't H2O sending Water, Steam or Ice on errand, it is the Father sending out the son on errand.
2. The Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit are not localized. It means that each has the infinite nature of God without limitation of space and time.
In other words, the illustration or analogy of the trinity of God being compared with the trinity of man does NOT contradict either of your two questions.
I do not subscribe to the theory of transmutation of God because
1. Mat 26:39:
"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will."
It seems that the Word as the son could have a different will from the Father. It such is true, it means we have different personalities (as the soul and body of man are the same but of different personalities)
2. Mat 26:39:
"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed , saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will."
If the Father was the same as the Son, there should be no reason for the Son to PRAY to the Father as both should share not only the same Personality, but same Emotions, Will or Volition.
I had initially presented the scriptures
3. Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
I see distinct difference in personalities between the Son and the Holy Spirit. If the Trinity was one personality, I expect a single reaction to blasphemy. Chemical reaction with H2O is the same irrespective of its state as solid, liquid or gas!
4. John 5:30:
"I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me."
The independence of WILL connote an independence of personality. With all due respect my dear highly esteemed loving brother, please just answer the " are you putting limitation on God by suggesting that: It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to send Himself on an errand as a Son to earth?" and " are you putting limitation on God by suggesting that: It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to project out from Himself to then after, concurrently exist in two places?" questions first with a binary Yes or No, then it would have been alright to write your explanations and defences. Anyway, I have to quickly dash out for a few good hours and so will have to come back to all this, when I am back in. When I do, I will respond properly to your post and shine more light on that will give more illumination on why God, though is infinite/infinity, presents the Godhead three dimensionally (i.e. trinity) lmso Wish you an all rounder all year long blessed 2021 |
| Religion / Re: Fake Nigerian Prophets Of Year 2020 by MuttleyLaff: 7:51am On Jan 02, 2021 |
petra1:
Mark 5:19
Howbeit Jesus . . saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee . . .
Acts 4:20
For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.
2 Corinthians 10:13
But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us. .
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| Religion / Re: The Main Thing In Life by MuttleyLaff: 7:38am On Jan 02, 2021 |
Bodydiialect57:
35And one of them, a teacher of the Law, tried to trap him with a question.
36"Teacher," he asked, "which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37Jesus answered, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38This is the greatest and the most important commandment.
39The second most important commandment is like it: 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.'
- Matthew 22:35-39
As someone rightly said, the main thing in life is to make the main thing the main thing. I will tell you relationship is the main thing, if you ask me No many people know and so realise that to be loved by God is the highest relationship, the highest achievement, and the highest position in life. Praise God. Alleluia Bodydiialect57:
To cause the Lord Jesus Christ to trip, one of the Pharisees asked Him the greatest of God's commandments to which He summarized as relationship; first with God, then with oneself and lastly with others.
No man is an island, we all need God and one another as we journey through the new year. To enjoy a good and fulfilling life therefore, the best place to start is with the right relationship. Relationship, is exactly one of the important things, what the cross on which Yahshua Ha Mashiah aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world died on, symbolises. The cross, serves as a few meaningful symbols, one which is, it serves to indicate the vertical relationship with God, to start with and then next, the horizontal relationship with our neighbour, whoever our neighbour is, whatever his/her race, colour, sexuality, creed, height, size, taste et cetera is, lmso Bodydiialect57:
How was your relationship with God and man in the past? Good or bad? It's possible the past has been a terrible one to many due to the right relationship they had or lacked, that notwithstanding, there is always room for a fresh start. There is quite a lot of more room for improvement, in terms of both our vertical relationship with God and especially for some of us, legalistic brethren and sisters, our horizontal relationships with peculiar other people, lmso Bodydiialect57:
No one can love God without first accepting God's gift of love, which is Jesus Christ. It is when His love is perfected in us that we can effectively love Him in return, love oneself and others as expected. Also, no one can love God, accept God's gift of unconditional love and then not want to allow others to faithfully and devotionally love each other, without fear of discrimination and/or condemnation of the love they have for each other Bodydiialect57:
The main thing is to begin the year with right relationships, the first being God. He comes first. He is to be at the center, the focal point with everything else in life receiving its meaning and direction from that vital center.
Happy new year to you all. " Indeed, your husband is your Maker
-- His name is Yahweh of Hosts
-- and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
He is called the God of all the earth." - Isaiah 54:5Aye, relationship with God comes first, as He truly is the Center, the focal point with everything else in life receiving its meaning and direction from that vital Center. When all is done and dusted, relationship, when and after the dust settles, with faith, hope and love, outlives everything and remains (i.e. 1 Corinthians 13:13) Notice that it's from " It is not good for the man to live alone. I will make a suitable companion to help him" that its observed that relationship is the mother of companionship. Marriage, is a training ground, so with, to perfect relationship skills in, lmso. It isnt easy being married, and so why, marriage isnt necessarily for everyone, lmso. As we can see from Isaiah 54:5 above, and just taking it as an example of one, there are different kinds of marriage, lmso. Civil marriage, is another example, lmso Acehart:
My relationship with God should have been better. I tried to live in peace with all men, but men will squeeze your guts out with their evil -they don’t want peace, they want war. Nevertheless, I look forward to a better relationship with God and more godly wisdom to handle men.
Happy new year to you too. [img] https://media1./images/0231ce01bd7fce51b82d143924cb3cfd/tenor.gif[/img] Bodydiialect57:
The acid test of a true and right relationship with God is the true and right relationship with others.
That's the main thing! The IBM syndrome makes most of us not pass the acid test for testing the state of our true perception of and right relationship with peculiar others, lmso Bodydiialect57:
As you have desired, l pray grace be given you for a better relationship, first with God and then men. [img] https://media./images/bf05cc9cdab8b78c70a5d10408fd3ed2/tenor.gif[/img] Acehart:
Amen [img] https://media./images/a79d7d0373f985bac492418b8a0daca3/tenor.gif[/img] 1 Like 1 Share |
| Religion / Re: Fake Nigerian Prophets Of Year 2020 by MuttleyLaff: 11:47pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
petra1:
The prophecies are for individuals not for the world. You receive yours. 2020 has been great for me " 10Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed,
God, I thank You that I am not like the other men
— swindlers, evildoers, adulterers
— or even like this tax collector.
12I fast twice a week and pay tithes of all that I acquire."- Luke 18:10-12 |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 10:50pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
shadeyinka:
You are not quite precise sir!
The Father is NOT the Word
The Word is NOT the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is NOT the Father
However
God is the Father
God is the Word
God is the Holy Spirit.
For proper comprehension:
My Soul is NOT my Body
My Body is NOT my Spirit
My Spirit is NOT my Soul
However
I am my Body
I am my Soul
I am my Spirit
The same me but three identities
Shalom H 20 though different in terms of form as a solid, liquid or gas, nonetheless, the composition of H 20 as solid, liquid or gas remains the same. H 20 is H 20, just as God is God. H 20 is, before its any transformation into solid, liquid and/or gas, so God is, before God became Father and Son through the agency of the Holy Spirit. shadeyinka:
You are ONE even though you have three different identities. Only at death could your identities be separated. God cannot die: His identities cannot be separated.
God is One and indivisible.
Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
John 5:30:
"I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me."
Luk 3:22:
"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove on him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, You are my beloved Son; in you I am well pleased."
Again  God is One and indivisible. We get and know all that about " God is One and indivisible" but, so, are you putting limitation on God by suggesting that: 1/ It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to send Himself on an errand as a Son to earth? 2/ It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to project out from Himself to then after, concurrently exist in two places? |
| Politics / Re: Tunde Bakare’s Achilles’ Heel By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 10:37pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
VBCampaign:
 Slight edit done with the last sentence though. Talking of " I would have preferred he correctly and properly politically sensitise and NOT be fawning over political heavyweights, the likes of shady Tinubu". Tbh, I didnt lay into Tunde Bakare because I understand he is human just as I am, so I decided to not pass any comment on his chequered gaffes slash proph-a-lies concerning his past and even future coveting of the highest position in the country |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 9:31pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
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| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 8:21pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
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| Religion / Re: Who Remember This Prophet And His Powerful Prophecy For 2020 has come to pass? by MuttleyLaff: 6:53pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
farem:
Apostle Paul Okikijesu of the Christ Apostolic Miracle Ministry has declared that God told him that Pastor Enoch Adeboye of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, RCCG, Pastor W.F Kumuyi of Deeper Life Bible Church and Bishop Oyedepo of the Living Faith Church, will die soon.powerful in 2020.
In what he described as part of his prophesies for the year 2020, Okikijesu, also said that God revealed to him that the mentioned men of God will not have a place in heaven when they die.
In the messages he made available to DAILY POST on Monday, the pastor said “Thus says the Lord: My servant, will you not be surprise that I go into Redeemed Church and I observe [that there’s no] sheep that I can select?
“That is the reason that I said my message for Adeboye is coming. I had informed him that whatever he likes, he can achieve, but he will not be admitted into my glorious home.
“He himself knew and he wants to start doing rectification process now. Even if he rectifies his ways, those who are dead due to his deceit and hypocrisy, can he revive them?
“How many rectification steps did Reinhard Bonnke took before he died? My servant, I have told him to start putting his house in order, the day of his sleep is near.
“Adeboye and Kumuyi and Oyedepo, I have told them to put their homes in order and be prepared to sleep.
“Write these messages down because my judgment will be powerful in 2020.
“Thus says the Lord: I will send messages to these people to make amendments maybe they are going to organize a big revival/crusade or big lecture.
“It must be a convention of ‘Departing from sinful ways and turning to God.’ I believe that your body/frame is a sinful frame, but the sin of bloodshed and worshipping other gods are abominations to I the Lord.
“Thus says the Lord: As distinguished and famous as they are, will you not be surprise that they will not be admitted into My Home, if they refuse/failed to change?”
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| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 6:33pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
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| Politics / Re: Tunde Bakare’s Achilles’ Heel By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 6:28pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
VBCampaign:
Tunde Bakare’s Achilles’ Heel
By: Deji Yesufu
Tunde Bakare has been in the news in the last two weeks. Bakare came under severe criticism following his comments on the former Governor of Lagos State, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu. Bakare had predicted in the video that his words will be twisted and taken out of context, and true to to it that was what happened. People felt that Bakare was laundering the image of Tinubu and preparing him for the Presidential elections in 2023. When I watched that video, I saw something else entirely.
In 2004/2005, I was in Lagos searching for job after finishing school. I had to undergo surgery and my parent instructed me not to use my recuperating period for job search. Instead I spent that time going to Bakare’s Church, Latter Rain Assembly – while they were still in Akilo Rd. Ogba. I never regret the time I spent there. For some strange reasons, Bakare’s sermons centered on empowering jobless graduates to making a living. He taught us how to do things even with practically no resources. Everything I do today, besides my 9am to 4pm job, was inspired by my time listening to Bakare in that time period. For a while, after that, I regarded myself as a “Bakarite”. I have since jettisoned that label and I’ll return to that matter later.
My point at this juncture is to state that Tunde Bakare was certainly not laundering Tinuhu’s image in that video. Those of us who listen to Bakare’s sermons know that his words were more like adages and they require careful listening and not hasty conclusions. Whatever anybody may have against Tunde Bakare, whatever he might be accused of; one thing you cannot accuse Bakare of is financial fraud. Bakare is one man that is above board concerning financial matters and every effort by people to rope into some financial misdemeanor has never succeeded.
Having said that, I have this thing against Tunde Bakare; it is the reason I stopped referring to myself as his disciple or a Bakarite. It is my sincere hope that Tunde Bakare or some of his assistants will read this essay and help him to refocus his ministry. It is the matter that concerns the heart of his preaching.
When Archbishop Benson Idahosa was alive, Tunde Bakare preached series of messages where he accused the Archbishop of “loosing his vision”. He said Idahosa has allowed the gospel of prosperity to make him loose the true vision of ministry: which is seeking the lost for Christ’s kingdom. Incidentally, and by a strange turn of events also, it appears to me today that Tunde Bakare himself has lost the vision of true Christian ministry. Bakare has replaced the faithful preaching of the word of God, the Bible, which alone can bring sinners to repentance and faith; and is rather preaching a social gospel – a gospel of a better Nigeria. Which in a real sense is not a gospel of Christ but another gospel.
Let’s be clear at this point: I am not one of those who think that clergy men cannot comment on national issues or things that concern the well being of a people. I think it is plain hypocritical to say that pastors should face ministry and leave politics. The truth of the matter is that pastors oversea the lives of ordinary people and when these people are suffering because of some harsh economic realities, pastors must be able to say a word or two to caution government. This is why the recent comment by Bishop Matthew Kukah are quite welcome in our body polity, and the Nigerian government will do well to heed his warnings and not criticize the Catholic Priest. However something becomes fundamentally wrong when most of a preacher’s utterances concern social matters and not gospel realities. I am of the opinion that Tunde Bakare has left gospel preaching and is now wholly concerned with a social gospel.
My departure from “Bakareism” followed my renouncing of Pentecostalism. Pentecostalism is not a heresy; however it harbors many erroneous positions that leaves open opportunity for Satan to take advantage of the unwary in the movement. Pentecostalism does not offer a critical edge to guard against the encroachment of heresies, this is why less than half a decade following the birthing of this denomination, it was taken over by the heresy of the Word of Faith. While Tunde Bakare repudiates Word of Faith, he left himself open to another error: social gospel. Pentecostalism is prone to these errors because of an element within it’s movement: its tendency to glorify experience and minimize Bible teaching.
In seminary my teacher told us that a faithful minister of Christ has no business with topical preaching. Preachers should center their preaching on the word for word textual preaching of biblical texts or what is known as expositional preaching. When ministers do this, they are forced to remain within the text of scripture and not say things outside of it. Of course there are some texts that might warrant the preaching on a social issue but because the Bible is chiefly teaching Christ and the salvation he brought to humanity, Expositional Preaching will lead a minister to center on Christ and him crucified.
This is where Tunde Bakare errs. He preaches topically and not expositionally. And topically preaching will lead a minister to preach his own bias. Bakare’s bias is politics and unfortunately he makes the Bible preach what his bias. I genuinely pray that God opens his eyes to see this. I hope he repents and traces his path back to genuine Christian ministry.
The trouble with Tunde Bakare was not his speech on Tinubu, which clearly was not his endorsing Asiwaju for 2023. Bakare’s trouble is his social gospel: his belief that Jesus died to make Nigeria better. Rather, Jesus died to save men from their sins (Matthew 1:21). Period. Jesus did not have to die to make Nigeria better; hundreds of countries around the world are thriving without Jesus Christ and his gospel. What humanity needs is salvation from sin. A message that Tunde Bakare used to preach heartily sometimes ago but which he has since replaced with a social gospel today. This social gospel, Bakare’s quest for a better Nigeria, is his Achilles’ heel.
Source: https://textandpublishing.com/tunde-bakares-achilles-heel/ " 31At that time some Pharisees said to him, “Get away from here if you want to live! Herod Antipas wants to kill you!”
32Jesus replied, “Go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow; and the third day I will accomplish My purpose.
33Yes, today, tomorrow, and the next day I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be killed except in Jerusalem!
34“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let Me.
35And now, look, your house is abandoned. And you will never see Me again until you say, ‘Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’"- Luke 13:31-35So in a nutshell, you are saying that Tunde Bakare, in his capacity and/or mandate of taking care of the Lord's sheep, should be indifferent to the plight, pains, hardship and travails that the sheep are daily going through and not to show by speaking out, making public statement that reveals how he does feel and/or know about their affliction(s) Somebody, now and then, has to step up to the plate and speak. if it happens to be a Tunde Bakare or a Bishop Matthew Kukah, so be it and of course, the more the merrier. As a matter of fact, there is the time and place for, to be political and of course, there possibly is a deadly price for wading into politics, which is why it shouldn't be everyone's cup of tea or coffee really. Not everyone as a believer, is called to blend politics with their faith and/or religion, lmso. Yahshua Ha Mashiah aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world though He shunned direct involved politics, He regularly was at loggerheads with those in political and leadership positions. I restate not everyone is called into politics or called to make political overtures. MLK Jnr, is famous for the civil rights movement, is also famous for saying: " There comes a time when one must take the position that is neither safe nor politic nor popular, but he must do it because conscience tells him it is right." I'll be frank with you in letting on that, I even up to now, have never been impressed by Tunde Bakare, but I respect his inclination and disposition to speak up and say things because of how he feels about the otherwise unfortunate lives most are subjected to. John the Baptist, with his head cut off and placed on a platter, paid the price for speaking out. Prophet Elijah turned suicidal when politics turned round to fight him back, lmso. Tunde Bakare is human, just as everyone else is. He never claims that he walks on water, so of course expectedly will now and then give in to the craving of flesh. He just like you and everyone of us else, is not a complete man, lmso. He is work in progress as much as we all are work in progress. Just because Jesus did not die to make Nigeria better, doesnt mean denying giving someone, if its just only person, hope from hearing Tunde Bakare, speak out, and lend his voice to the voiceless on social justice matters and issues. I agree with longetivity, that Tunde Bakare talks with both sides of his mouth, and would say, as for me, he personally doesnt really have a squeaky clean air of sincerely made utterances. Case in point, when in 2006, he said Buhari is not part of the new, with saying: " Let me tell you the truth by the spirit of God, neither OBJ, Atiku, IBB and this tall one, Buhari are part of the new" and then fast forward to 2011, he was willing to be the running mate of a Muhammadu Buhari who he earlier had said was " not part of the new" It is just so sad that Tunde Bakare had no choices, other than to put a pitch for shady Tinubu. Classic case of chasing between the devil and the deep blue sea (i.e. Tinubu versus Tinubu) lmso. I would have preferred he correctly and properly politically sensitise and NOT be fawning over political heavyweights, the likes of shady Tinubu. |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 5:12pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
MrPRevailer:
MuttleyLaff Why are you specifically mentioning me and what's it about? MrPRevailer:
The HolySpirit is a person. "He" not "It"
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me Of course a He, but I dont think our self satisfying, self conceited, high and mighty Jehovah's Witnesses MaxInDHouse has good sense enough to accord this respect, peculiar high regard and right to the " The Holy Spirit" 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 5:04pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
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| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 4:28pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
[s]Good result when the society is peaceful, joyful and loving, not when few amassed the wealth of the land and built heavy gates with high fence and pitbulls to scare away their hungry neighbors! Theres nothing good in armed robbers robbing a bank and taking away the hard-earned money of their fellow citizens Sir!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't see anything good when few are enjoying at the detriment of many.
So what God's people view as good result is what benefits everyone Sir!  [/s] 1/ Are you always this slow to understand the distinction painted to show how " good result" is relative and that value, depends on who is estimating or calculating, lmso. 2/ Is everything good within JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, lmso? 3/ Are all good within JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, lmso, hmm? 4/ Is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) bible translation, a 100% error free good result? 5/ Do you and everyone else as a Jehovah's Witnesses' benefit from the same perks that the few GB enjoy, lmso? 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 4:03pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
[s]The bolded clearly shows you don't understand what good results means when we're talking about God's word, but i'll enlighten you!
A thief has caused pain and grief to thousands in the society where he lives, people in the neighborhood knew his standard of living that means he has to start hiding, lying and fearful of so many things since he never worked for the things he wants to make his own. Surely what he did never brought a good result both to him and the society in which he lives.
On the other hand God's word if applied will bring LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the gathering of all those adhering to it. It's a pity you're still a small boy when talking about divine wisdom Sir! [/s] Your knee jerk reply shows you aren't quick to understanding and not slow to speak. Now here is the point you missed in my post, and it is that " good result" is relative, lmso. Lets home in on to you. What you reckon are " good result" from being a member of Jehovah's Witnesses, isnt necessary and at all " good result" I am surprised that, in a newly 2021, you still havent refrained from doing ad hominem(s) and also being self-conceited, lmso, smh sigh. So you know more know, yeah, I am a small boy but with a very big God. Thank you very much. Praise God. Alleluia! |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 3:37pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
You may say something is wrong but one thing i know is error can't produce good results Sir! Matthew 7:16-18 The armed robber who successfully held up a bank and made away with bundles of high denomination paper notes money, according to him, sees a daring crime and the error of his ways, like that, to have paid off and produce good results for him Sir! MaxInDHouse, this is new year, and the first day of the new year for that matter, please lets not start it, with deceiving ourselves. You know, just as well as I do, that there are no bible translations, whether it's called NWT or not called NWT, that is 100% error free. What is the point in you chasing cheap clout and trying to subtle shade with Matthew 7:16-18, hmm? Jehovah's Witnesses fart just like every other human beings do fart, and Jehovah's Witnesses' fart isnt deodorised, your fart and Jehovah's Witnesses' too do smell, so please dont again try to covertly be picking up stones to throw, because you do live in a glass house and as someone who lives in a glass house, you ought to know better not to be throwing stones, lmso |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 3:17pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
Blabbermouth:
Spot on.
It seems DappaD said something similar about this Matthew 28:19, I will do a research on that.
MuttleyLaff - "No one knows the personal name of the holy spirit".
MuttleyLaff, that might be right, but I need to ask - Do you believe He/it has a name?
Spot on.
It might not be his personal name, sure. Bringing it to our reality I can say - No one knows God's FIRST NAME, but He has given YHWH as his middle/other names.
God himself said - Yahweh is my name. shadeyinka:
Yes, He does!
Yahweh/Jehovah is His name (i.e. "to be renown by" <<< the strikeouts & inverted commas are a MuttleyLaff's edit and insertion)
Jesus is the name given to God with US.
God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the FATHER
God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the WORD
God (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the (Holy) SPIRIT
On earth, the WORD is known in His physical capacity as the Son is known as Jesus! " 13Then Moses asked God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ What should I tell them?”
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
16Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—has appeared to me and said: I have surely attended to you and have seen what has been done to you in Egypt.
17And I have promised to bring you up out of your affliction in Egypt, into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.’" - Exodus 3:13-17" I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God almighty’—
but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them
(i.e. but I did not make Myself known to them by My holy name, Yahweh/Jehovah/YHWH" - Exodus 6:3Blabbermouth, do you in the slightest understand what made this declaration come about hmm? Are you familiar with phrases or colloquials like, " I'll show you what my name is" or " You will know my name after I am done dealing with you" or " Pele made a name for himself playing football for Santos" The word, God, obviously, we both accept and know, isnt the name of God, but is a verb word. Incidentally, the name of God, that is built on from the words for " I AM", is too, related to a verb of action. We know, God is known by what He does and that in Exodus 6:3, is exactly what He was communicating to Moses that He appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, but they never witnessed/experienced a demonstration of why He, God, is called/known as " I AM" and that the Israelites and any that cross them or tries to prevent the Israelites from getting to the Promised Land will soon find out What you see unfolding in the two above scripture references, is God making a name for Himself. It is God making a name that He will be renowned for. He planned to become whatsoever is necessary for Him to be for the Israelites and He said by that descriptor expressive name " I AM", is what He wants to forever be known for or be famous for. " I AM" is a prominent self clearly expressed and easily understood name, that God made for Himself, to be remembered by. I repeat " I AM" is not God's personal name but rather it is descriptor expression using the four Hebrew alphas, Y, H, W and H, also known as the " The Tetragrammaton" YHWH, the "The Tetragrammaton", which is a composition of those four YHWH letters, that form the Hebrew word, from which the four letters transliterated as YHWH and articulated as Yahweh, is not God's personal nameI repeat, on three different and separate occasions, what is God's personal name was asked and on each of those three different and separate occasions, the request to reveal what the personal name of God was not granted. I restate that, the word Yahweh, is a descriptor and is not all God's personal name. The word comes from a root word that means " to become," which is from how God told Moshe aka Moses to the tell the Israelites that " I will become what I choose to become" is who sent him to them when he Moshe aka Moses, asked for God's name. God sidestepped giving Moshe aka Moses any name but instead offered him the Yahweh descriptor (i.e. I AM that I AM or I AM who I AM or even I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE or I will become what I choose to become) God is not an obscure God The exploits He did, the triumphs He achieved, how He brought Pharaoh and Egypt to their knees et cetera, He said, is how He is to be remembered in every generation (i.e. remembered to be known as " I AM'') " But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?”
Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”" - Mark 8:29" 2Now Judas also, who was betraying Him, knew the place, for Jesus had often met there with His disciples.
3Judas then, having received the Roman cohort and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons.
4So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?”
5They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He said to them, “I AM He.”
And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.
6So when He said to them, “I AM He,” they drew back and fell to the ground." - John 18:2-6See Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, at Mark 8:2, dropping subtle hints and leaving telltale signs that He is YHWH too, lmso. The striking, absolute and overwhelming power of the pronouncing " I AM" (i.e. ehyeh, from Ehyeh Asher-Ehyeh, I AM that I AM aka YHWH) at John 18:5-6, caught everyone by surprise, that the extent of the powerful effect of " I AM," made them go backward and yakata fall to the ground. Praise God. Alleluia. Since the subject of the thread's discussion is " Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name?" and not " Does God Have A Name?" then I'll leave talking about YHWH alone to refocus on shedding more light on dealing with "Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name?" to recapitulate that King David in Psalm 51:11, referred to the Holy Spirit as " qodesh ruach" That word " qodesh" inside " qodesh ruach" used by king David signifies yearning for the part of the Godhead that is hallow, holy, dedicated et cetera. Tbh, king David was ahead of his time, when he was in Old Testament Psalm 51:11 times, requesting for the Spirit of Holiness what we in New Testament times have come to realise are know to be the " The Holy Spirit" Should I shock you a bit Blabbermouth, lmso. The " The Holy Spirit" is God and so just as the personal name of God is unrevealed, so is the " The Holy Spirit's," meaning, we dont have any disclosed personal name of the " The Holy Spirit" Why anyway, would anyone want or need the name of the " The Holy Spirit" for? It is not, as if you can pray to the " The Holy Spirit". Its not, as if you can worship the " The Holy Spirit" lmso. |
| Religion / Re: Shocking Prophecies For 2021❗❗ by MuttleyLaff: 12:14pm On Jan 01, 2021 |
hopekeez:
We can see it all clearly came to pass You know this clearing is a false and misleading comment OkCornel:
Please explain how the bolded parts of the prophecies came to pass in 2020.
We are waiting. I would very much want to see how much longer it'll take " 28. DSS will hold more people hostage in quest to free Sowore, claiming violence and threat" to fulfil 1 Like 1 Share |
| Religion / Re: No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy. by MuttleyLaff: 11:43am On Jan 01, 2021 |
meobizy:
I did not read. If homosexuality is the work of Satan then God is very weak to allow it exist. I assumed He created everything both good and bad. I guess I thought wrong then. Dont mind elated177, saying that " No iota of doubt: homosexuality is Satan's greatest joy" elated177 hasn't the slightest idea of what he pretends to make out that he knows about homosexuality. You'll be correct, if you've sensed that God created homosexuality, just as well as He created heterosexuality. Satan is incapable of creating anything meaningful, incapable of how creating an atmosphere for love, commitment, faithfulness, kindness, warmth, loyalty, dedication cordiality, et cetera to exist and flourish. elated177:
What if you read it?
Emotional blackmail will get you nowhere.
Fire can be used to do a lot of good things. Fire can cause a lot of destruction. The Creator created fire. What man does with it, is entirely his prerogative.
The Creator created sex. The sex that he made is between a man and a woman - Scripturally sanctioned in the one between a man and a woman who are married to each other.
Homosexuality was taught human beings by Satan and the demons. Homosexuality can be abused, misused and even refused everything good about it, just as well as heterosexuality, can be abused, misused and even refused everything good about it. The Creator created having sex, not only for just procreation reason. Infidelity, promiscuity, unfaithfulness, engaging in sexual relations with someone who isnt one's regular partner, having ritual sex with temple prostitutes et cetera were all taught human beings from influenced by Satan and fallen angelic host of heaven celestial beings aka demons |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 11:06am On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Mr Muttleylaff, i pasted both rendering of the KJV and NWT. I'm sure you know that JWs aren't responsible for the interpretation of KJV Sir! I earlier told you didnt I, that you aren't ready to be exposed to the truth, fact and reality, lmso. Both KJV and NWT are translations, that weren't inspired by God. Now, if KJV is not inerrant, what makes you believe that your Jehovah's Witnesses 1961 NWT that makes many false and misleading statements on many subjects, topics and even God directly, would be an exception, hmm?
L0g1C:
Does a non-personal force speak MaxInDHouse:
Actions speaks louder than words! This is just a figure of speech and not to be taking literally. You wouldnt believe that cats and dogs really drop from the sky during a heavy rainfall, would you, erhn? Silence speaks volume, is another figure of speech, not to be literally taken |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40am On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
It's only persons that have names, JEHOVAH is the name of the Most High God {Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18} JESUS is the name of God's only begotten SON, but God's Holy Spirit is not a person rather it's God's active force so it doesn't have a personal name! King David in Psalm 51:11, referred to it as " qodesh ruach" It is called a person, because as I earlier shared about its nature, it has combination of real human being characteristics and/or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character. An electric force, doesnt have real human being personalities so it isnt called a person. The force of a dam wall hasn't got any real human being personality so it isnt called a person. The Holy Spirit has real human being personalities hence why in that respect it is a person, lmso L0g1C:
Does a non-personal force speak Non-personal force may speak but not speak in conventional way(s) 1 Like |
| Celebrities / Re: Temmie Dropped Nigeria's First Openly Gay Album by MuttleyLaff: 10:09am On Jan 01, 2021 |
yanabasee:
I have this irritation whenever I read or see anyone behave in a like-manner to gays.... I mean, I am homophobic...... Good thing you admit you have a disorder, next will be to be cured of it. yanabasee:
This will be a total crap .. Well to your disappointment, there's not even a diddly squat pip crap nor stain in it yanabasee:
Those gays no the ever get sense..... Only someone wey no dey ever get sense will come out with a ludicrous sweeping comment like this 1 Like |
| Celebrities / Re: Temmie Dropped Nigeria's First Openly Gay Album by MuttleyLaff: 10:06am On Jan 01, 2021 |
Chibu1189:
Probably why olamidele delayed her project.
MuttleyLaff:
She's far better than the others. She's multi-talented and misunderstood ....
Olamide doesnt and/or didnt know how to kerching maximise her talent, voice dexterity, remarkable versatile multi voice skills and quirkiness. MuttleyLaff:
He slid into her DM. Brought her from Ilorin to Lagos, only to have her holed in the house for 5 years. He just didn't, as I've earlier said, know how to kerching maximise her potentials. We better go ask Olamide why he signed her ...
ID Cabasa (i.e. Olamide's former boss) and Toni Payne (i.e. his former manager) will have an uphill task harnessing Temmie Ovwasa aka YBNL Princess' square peg in a round hole personality, raw and multi music talent MuttleyLaff:
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Now you're getting a bit of what I am saying about her and him, but hey, he should have looked beyond all that, to focus on mining this potential money maker. See Bobrisky, he is having the last laugh, smiling all the way to the bank
I am sure it's Olamide, she's mimicking in the "Never Gon Blow" tune and "I Don’t Give A Bleep About You" has to be Olamide whining that she should conform, adapt, fall in line et cetera 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 9:42am On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
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I think it's all about the different versions we are using Sir!
So try comparing verses from different versions, that's the KJV and NWT referred to the sons of God as morning Stars Sir! " 16All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
17God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17MaxInDHouse, all Scripture is inspired by God (i.e. all scripture is given by inspiration of God) but not all translation of Scripture as done in 1961 by Frederick W. Franz, who happened to be the main translator of scripture for use by Jehovah's Witnesses or The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (i.e. WTBTS) is inspired by God nor done by inspiration of God Frederick W. Franz's New World Translation (i.e. NWT) even worse, is a poor translation from the original Koine Greek. Words have been added, deleted, inserted, invented, changed and modifications made to change scripture so to navigate round doctrinal difficulties and make scripture agree with Jehovah's Witnesses' heresies and suspect theology. You have a perfect example there of New World Translation (i.e. NWT) changing the wording " the morning stars" in Job 38:7 to " the sons of God" I often, now and then, do read the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) but its always done with a " grain of salt" I advise that you should begin to start to do the same too, otherwise you'll continue to unnecessarily be going in the direction of needless arguments, lmso. Now here's the truth, point and fact, right from the word go, Jehovah's Witnesses have set off on the wrong foot and with fraudulence right from the foundational level and so in the hands of the unsuspecting, inexperienced and the not aware, the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) can be chancy and misleading translation to be only reading. I won't mince words in saying that the New World Translation (i.e. NWT) should not be read, taken not accepted at face value, but to look deeper for its veiled intent and uncover what its translators have carefully and clearly hidden away or introduced |
| Religion / Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by MuttleyLaff: 8:25am On Jan 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:
Job 38:7 said the bright morning stars are sons of God and Revelations 22:16 said Jesus is also a morning Stars (one of them)  MaxInDHouse, this must the " unable to make distinction" season Are you trying to say that, you are unable to make the distinction between " the morning stars" and " the bright Morning Star" ni MaxInDHouse? Now if Job 38:7, was suggesting that when it says: " the bright morning stars are sons of God" it was referring to the celestial angelic host of heavens aka angels, then why pad in the wording " ... and all the angels.." into " the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy", hmm? That will be an illogical superfluity and groundless repetition. C'mon now MaxInDHouse, this 2021, and you should by now have decided not to be saying what not the Bible said. Revelations 22:16 does not and/or did not say " Jesus is also a morning Stars" sic nor say He is one of them whats mentioned in Job 38:7. This is you introducing your incorrect preconceived idea and exercising your eisegesis skills, lmso. |
| Religion / Re: Pastor Chris : Hybrid Men Are Coming . Jude 1:6-9. (explosive) by MuttleyLaff: 7:33am On Jan 01, 2021 |
MuttleyLaff:
Maamin, I recall remarking that your earlier post has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
Now in this new post, you're digging bigger holes to the already present ones in your previous post. I dont even know where to start from, as you've presented too many holes for me plug
I will try and curtail my post, so not to cause information overload
Now, you earlier asked me, by typing:
"This giants were they physically big?"
At which I replied:
"Yeah now
Of course, they're physically big, as big, if not bigger than the original and previous Nephilims"
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well,
when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men.
And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown."
- Genesis 6:4
"We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim!
We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”"
- Numbers 13:33
"Some of these nations are descendants of the Anakim.
You know how tall and strong they are, and you've heard that no one can defeat them in battle."
- Deuteronomy 9:2
As I earlier said, the giants truly were wiped out during the Noah flood, but guess what again Maamin, the giant (i.e. the Nephilim) gene survived.
The gene survived the flood, to re-produce Nephilims (i.e. still extra size looking beings)
Aside Numbers 13:33 and Deuteronomy 9:2, we know, anyway from Genesis 6:4, that giants were on the earth in those days and afterwards.
So, the gene surviving, is what is responsible for the still extra size looking beings
I know what your next question will be or should be 
1/ How, where and when has God impregnated humans?
2/ How do you mean " they are not specifically said not to be able to do so on earth"?
1/ What verses are you basing "Angels that left their original estate and took daughters of men..." on?
2/ Who do you think angels in "angels that left their original state" are?
You should know better, not to repeat the narrative that it is a snake that spoke
You also should know better, that Satan hasnt the power to make smallest animal to speak, talkess making a "snake" sic to speak
Get the facts right.
Please stop doing this, it feels like hearing fingernails on a chalkboard
Bearing in mind, that the sun and moon are called sons of God,
I half expect you to say, the sun and moon took the daughters of men
I hear you Maamin
even though Genesis 1:26-28, identifies categorically, clearly and definitely, who is to procreate and knowing that angels when dispatched for a mission, dont have sexual designs, when they are sent and/or when they appear
"2The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.
3So the LORD said,
“My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”
4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men.
And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown. "
- Genesis 6:2-4
"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
- Luke 3:38
I sure hope you clearly can see this, that, they are no celestial beings (i.e. angels) involved anywhere in Genesis 6:2-4
You're asking an invalid question, when you ask of the sins of imaginary celestial beings (i.e. angels)
Watch this. You're like asking a single man "Are you still beating your wife?"
That's an invalid question, as he has no wife, just as, there were no celestial beings (i.e. angels) involved anywhere in Genesis 6:2-4, for you to be asking what where the angels sins.
The question shouldnt be what was the sin of these angels (i.e. celestial beings that are angels or messengers) but it should have been what were the sins of these human beings
You got caught up in the metaphors used in the bible. The bible does this quite a lot, using figure of speech that directly refers to one thing (e.g. human beings) by mentioning another (e.g. celestial beings) for rhetorical effect.
"3Never marry any of them. Never let your daughters marry their sons or your sons marry their daughters."
4These people will turn your children away from me to worship other gods.
Then the LORD will get very angry with you and will quickly destroy you.
- Deutronomy 7:3-4
Did I notice you, in there above, capitalised the s, in sons of God?
Mobilia succinctly on Page 1 and I on Page 3, had already told you, their very sins were intermarrying The giants were already on the earth before and after, produced by the sons and daughters of men but when the sons of men decided to begin having sex with the daughters of men too,
then the children born turned out to be famous with plenty of brains, as well as not just only brawn.
Read Genesis 6:4-7 slowly but loud out, to see how because of their infamy, wickedness and warrior fixated attitude they met their waterloo.
All fallen angels are demons of some sorts. The word angel, designates messenger, beings whether celestial or human, who is given work to carry messages or do a task
I disagree along with you too
You get possessed by whatever you expose yourself to. You can be possessed by whatever you permit yourself to come under its influence. All it takes is, a lapse of judgement, drop in guard, error of judgement, metal lapse, being emotionally vulnerable for possession to take place
Satan has a free pass, and so with it, enters everywhere on earth with it.
Satan doesnt really need a green light before popping head in or around. Satan is already being and still is here on this thread, reading aptly with keen interest
Satan enters you, I and everyone. It's not just Judas, remember the serpent, remember Peter (i.e. when and where in Matthew 16:23, Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!'')
Thank you. I am grateful to you for replying back as best as you can.
I am sorry to be the one bursting your bubble but your beliefs believing that Genesis was not speaking about human sons of God but is speaking of angelic sons of God are false and wacky.
"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
- Luke 3:38
Luke 3:36-38 goes back, to men, before the period of the flood and its happening and then verse 38, tracing to the very beginning, says about Adam, that he was the son of God.
The sons of God, are descendants of Adam, but more specifically that of Seth, who had high regard for God.
You are making a fallacy of equivalence.
Paste here each or all these older scriptures in the Torah that refers to sons of God as no other than angelic beings and I'll prove you wrong, that not all the so called older scriptures in the Torah, refers to sons of God, as angelic beings (i.e. celestial beings)
Written up the way you've done, I have just come across and read a discombobulated post. I am sorry Maamin, but you just have to improve and do better than this
I am not teaching. We havent, even with all I've put forward, scratched the tip of the iceberg, for it to even to be called teaching
Buff up and start pushing the envelope then
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
- 1 John 3:10
If Adam is called a son of God in Luke 3:38, what do you think makes Noah?
Why repeat a known and unnecessary fact, huh?
Look at 1 John 3:10 now.
Maamin, anyone practising righteousness, is of God, and by default, is a son of God.
You whats the issue here?
You're too carnally minded, thats why you're clinging on to "angels" (i.e. incubi) taking human females for themselves
Where were and what were the succubi doing?
Painting their feet and finger nails?
1/ Maamin, why is it that its the men, as in human beings, that God singled out to punish for the sins of the daughter of men, committed with your supposedly "angels" with overly-imaginative and unrealistic tendencies?
2/ Why is it, that its man, that God mentions repeatedly, as having concerns over and so the reason He is going to destroy them?
3/ Why isnt there is a single mention of your supposedly randy "angels" being at fault as why He wants to clear up the earth with flood? cc: Petra1, Kobojunkie, Kobojunkiee, MaxInDHouse |
| Religion / Re: Pastor Chris : Hybrid Men Are Coming . Jude 1:6-9. (explosive) by MuttleyLaff: 7:30am On Jan 01, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:
The demons did not produce hybrid humans, meaning the gene pool was not contaminated after the flood?
I maybe I should ask what again the demons were responsible for since you seem to be saying that unlike the fallen angels before them, the demons didn't cause the same sort of contamination to the gene-pool that the fallen angels written of before the flood did.? petra1:
The giants have different races . The first sets are the Nephilims which were first generation and were very huge. There another set Anakims ,another Rephaims ,another Zuzims and Emims .
It is believed that the demons in the world are the ghosts of those giants. And they look for human bodies to enter to express themselves. In the old testament people who commit gruesome offenses like rape,murder ,gay were killed.
When Jesus came . He gave authority to cast out devils. So its like a deadly deasese that has a cure .
The world is not facing the threat of giant being mingling with men any longer. The new threat now is satan using scientific invention to turn man into a kind of zombie
MuttleyLaff:
"9He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
10His kingdom began in the regioni of Shinar with the cities ofk Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calneh."
- Genesis 10:9-10
Of course, we were given a preview of Nimrod's character, make up, earlier life and antecedents at Genesis 10:9-10 before that, the infamous event, that happened at Genesis 11:2-4. Nimrod, was a badass person so Genesis 10:9 tells us, so due to the sort of person he was, he was the person who led the "they" to go plan, to gather together and make a name for themselves etcetera
Canaan was Nimrod's uncle. True, Cush was Nimrod's father and it was Canaan who was cursed to be a servants of servants to his brothers etcetera. It is probably partly trying to shake off the curse of association, with Canaan, his uncle and Ham his grandfather, that was what propelled Nimrod to be more rebellious, audacious and ambitious.
So, yup, Nimrod and Co, the descendants of Ham, that's Ham, who was neither blessed nor cursed by Noah, were envious of Shem, whose name has two meanings. The first meaning is, "renown", "be known", "make a name for self" "have a prominent name for self" et cetera. The second/alternate/parallel meaning of Shem, is, dusky red, dusky complexion, complexion with some degree of dark coloration or olive coloured et cetera.
It is the first meaning, that's of particular interest here. The descendants of Ham, we're envious of Shem and his descendants' legacy. They, talking of Ham's descendants because of something in their gene, that still filtered through even after the flood destroying all bad people, coveted Shem and his descendants' heritage and so too, wanted to make a name for themselves, wanted to have name for themselves too, wanted to be renowned, be known all over the world, just the way Noah pronounced that blessing on Shem and his descendants. The descendants of Ham wanted all this, not because of God, not for the glory of God even not to glorify God by it, but was for the self centred reason of be known all over the place for themselves too. They wanted to make and have a name too for themselves.
Lastly and very significantly to note, is that, also, the erection of the tower, was going to typically reminiscence Genesis 4:26b. It was literally them going to use the Tower to profane God's name. The final and successful erection of the high riding pointing in the sky tower, was going to be a symbol of sticking the middle finger up at God with it, as if saying go "f" yourself. God wasn't having any of that effrontery. He's had enough of Nimrod and the descendants of Ham's insolence and bad behaviour, that He came down to throw a spanner in their thoughts and so their plan effectively was disrupted.
missjo:
Here is something i just came across regarding this. Tell me what you think, it's new to me especially the Canaan part.
http://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/the-hamites/ham-the-father-of-africans/ MuttleyLaff:
"We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim!
We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”"
- Numbers 13:33
missjojo, the bible verse Numbers 13:33 above disagrees with you that the giants after the flood were not Nephilim. Numbers 13:33 even has it saying in black and white that, the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim. Now if you had earlier sussed out that the Nephilim gene survived through being dormant in one of the wives of Noah's son, then by deductive reasoning and knowing how good you are at this, we know who this son is, wink, wink
Goliath was abnormally sized and so a giant
Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakims and other terms are names that giants are/were known as and interchangeably used to describe them. The Nephilims and/or Rephaims and whatnot, definitely werent angel hybrids stock (i.e. they certainly weren't part-angel part human at all)
"Now I am claiming as my own sons these two boys of yours, Ephraim and Manasseh, who were born here in the land of Egypt before I arrived.
They will be my sons, just as Reuben and Simeon are. "
- Genesis 48:5
The misunderstanding comes from connecting and joining the wrong dots, hence getting an outlined wrong picture. The explanation regarding this is, it is Canaan in that narrative that is referred to as the youngest in Genesis 9:24. I am sure Genesis 48:5 above, will help in getting an understanding of this
missjojo and Ihedinobi3 dont be in the habit of reading bible verses in isolation or just by themselves. Read contextually up on to the "interested-in" verse, and the surrounding after the "interested-in" verse in order to get a proper handle and way of understanding what is really going on in the narrative.  What a pity |
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