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Dtruthspeaker:
And you forget a very important element of Love, "Love is Not One Sided"

Love is Pain Full and as a Lame man if it is Lopsided!

But it is A Complete Whole Person who walks Surely, Firmly, Confidently and Joy Filledly when Balanced, Even and Equally Returned to Each Contributor of Love!

Your parents care for you is that love or not?

CharisEleos:
Once you're born again, you can not be said to sin again.

Proverbs 24:16
for though the righteous fall seven times, they rise again, but the wicked stumble when calamity strikes.


Though the just man falls, sometimes falls seven times perhaps, into sin, sins of infirmity, through the surprise of temptation; but he rises again by repentance, finds mercy with God, and regains his peace.” Those whom the Lord regards as righteous may fall into sin, and they may fall deeply, but they will eventually come to repentance.

You're quoting the old testament though.
This has nothing to do with one who has been born of the Spirit.

Was hoping you could have new testament verses that support the claim that a born again cannot sin.

CharisEleos:
I wonder. They are people with special needs, no doubt but I think the society needs to stop stigmatising them and try to reach out to them as much as possible, so that they can have a sense of belonging.

I'm glad they found each other.

There two ways to answer this-

1. Biblically they are suffering from God's punishment for their sins or the sins of their parents.
Or God simply afflicted them so that he can heal them for his glory as Jesus said. John 9:3

2. Accept the human teachings that everyone is special in their own way.

I'm surprised you are an advocate for human doctrines rather than biblical teachings.
Most probably because you know an autistic person.
Nothing humanises us than when what we judge others for what hits home.

CharisEleos:
How about getting genuinely born-again and enjoying the grace of God upon your life instead of this rise and fall everyday under the law which most of you seem to have bounded yourself under.

A born-again doesn't sin?

Dtruthspeaker:
haha! It is sufficient that, I have not done you any Wicked or Evil thing as you have already admitted by your question!

And you would not know The True Truth if I have not offended Another, for you are not the Judge!

I'm just being rational here.
I know I've sinned.
I believe the bible says we all sin. The only difference between us and Adam is the confession of our sins and repentance as we ask for forgiveness.

Which is my point for asking the question.
Cos sin is inevitable.
Both sin against God and sin against your fellow man.

Cos even as employees you could be late to work.
As employers you could charge usury. Etc

Image123:
Okay then, sit in your room and be stating "facts".

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I had hoped one or more Christians would prove me wrong.

Guess some of you need some sense knocked into you.

Dtruthspeaker:
After many days of consideration, ok!

Which came first? Was it not Sin?

Is it not Seen and Known that After Sin, Comes Curses?

Therefore, Curses are Avoidable, if you Truly want to avoid them, in the exercise of your Freewill.

Freewilly Avoid Curses, if you want, for you can also choose to exercise your freewill to avoid Curses, if you want!

It is exactly as an employee who has stolen from the Company he works in is ejected from that Company and everyone says it is a Rght full Decision, this, when you sin, Curses and everything you would not like Plus Loss of Rights and Benefits happen.

That is why you should not sin if you love yourself and you love good things!



The Law of Sin Sacrifice is meant to Wipe Out ONLY THE SINS OF THOSE WHO KNOW THEY HAVE SINNED AND HATE TO SIN AND DO NOT WANT TO SIN AGAIN!

All who do not fall under this Law do not have their sins Wiped Out

IT IS NOT DELETE BUTTON AND RESTORATION! NO

BUT DELETE BUTTON FOR QUALIFICATION FOR CONSIDERATION FOR RESTORATION!

RESTORATION COMES AFTER JUDGEMENT EXACTLY AS YOU WEIGH AND RECONSIDER ACCEPTING AND RESTORING BACK YOUR OFFENDING WIFE OR GIRLFRIEND YOU SEE THAT SHE IS REMORSEFUL FOR HER SINS.

AND EXACTLY LIKE PRISONERS, "RESTORED FOR GOOD BEHAVIOUR IS THEIR KEY TO LEAVING THE CURSE OF PRISON!"

Let's bring this home.
Let's be as true as possible.

Did you commit any sin this week?

Humanoid01:
One thing I have noticed about skeptics is they are too proud to admit the truth when they see one, and in order to maintain or elevate their pride, they come up with excuses which seem reasonable.

Though the recency of her dream makes it seem prophetic but do you know that prophetic dreams are more specific? So that man would know that it is God who revealed it? The details should be irrefutable.

Anyone can have a nightmare about plane crash just by watching action movies.

Guess the more important question is does the said dreamer have any other prophetic dreams in the past or of the future to validate her prophetic gift.

DaniDani:
Soon after he was sworn in as the COAS, there were rumours of suspected planned coup to unseat the president. I hope something sinister related to the rumour is not behind his death. I strongly believe that something is wrong somewhere.

Obasanjo and the Cabals made sure to decentralised the power of the military.
So any drums of coup now is simply only speculative.

But in politics you can always expect the unexpected.

RIP to the dead and I hope the family receives all the fortitude and support they need to get through this.

Image123:
Lol, gospel is not preached on assumptions. There are millions of people who have never had the gospel preached to them.

Like wise claiming millions have not heard the gospel is based on your assumptions.

hopefulLandlord:
it's was converged pretty straight in my view, it's you that's been trying to muddy the waters.

they were allowed to eat from the fruit of life right from the beginning. He said they can eat from any of the tree, tree of life included. no "graduation" needed. it's pretty obvious God was glad they hadn't eaten from that tree which is why he quickly sent them packing.

I grow tired explaining simple english to people who claim to be educated.

I grow tired explaining the fact that no matter how much you claim the Holyspirit interpreted the bible to you, you cannot deny what was written that God said or did. The rhema does not negate the logos. It only expounds it.

This is why you have been able to handle CharisEleos. Cos no matter how hard she tries, you can always point her back to what the bible explicitly says.

When God clearly said he did not create Adam and Eve to live forever until they eat of the tree of life which would make them live forever,I wonder why people still claim they were created to live forever.

These same people blaming Adam and Eve for falling to just 1 sin are steadily falling for various sins on a daily basis yet it is easy let us keep blaming Adam and Eve.lol

John clearly states that anyone who claims not to sin is a liar meaning sinning is inevitable.
As wide as the bible is with all its 66 canonized books, only Jesus lived a sin-free life. (even this can be argued cos he preached against calling others fools while he called people fools).

That said,if only Adam and Eve knew how to beg for forgiveness of their sin (which we only understand from biblical examples) then maybe they could have be forgiven.

Dtruthspeaker:
Life is good until God Leaves you!

Life is good until when it is not good!

And when it is not good, then you have entered into the Curse of the man or the womb man respectively.

And when you are in the Curse, then you have to learn how to get out of the Curse.

And when you successfully get out of the Curse, then Life shall be Good Again

Glad you know that it was God who cursed man and not the devil. Interesting.
And the same God suddenly blames man for committing sin?
Yet man has not been able to overcome the curse even after Jesus came to die for the sins of man?

It's interesting that one sin immediately caused God to chase Adam and Eve out of Eden.
Yet the sacrifice of a whole God through Jesus Christ was not enough to restore man into the Garden of Eden or Paradise. The sacrifice of a whole son 9f God dying was not enough to obliterate the sinfulness in man!!!

Image123:
Millions of people have never had the gospel preached to them in the middle east, Russia and its axis, China and its axis. Let's not come home sef.

It has reached them either in person, internet or mass media. We live in the information age.

AntiChristian:
Jesus has been preached truly. Hmmm.

But who is he?

Take a guess

Image123:
Untold millions unfortunately remain untold. Wake up from your sweet dreams and go to preach.

Where are these untold millions?

Love is a universal language.
Many religions teach about love.
However only Christianity claims monopoly of love.

The bible teaches that every thing humans knew as love had never been love.
The bible teaches that only God loves us.
Christians preach that the love between a mother and her child is not true love.
That the love between a husband and his wife is not true love.
That the love between siblings is not true love.
That the love between best friends is not true love.

That the only true love is the love of God. And the love of Christ dying for the sins of mankind.

This doesnt really ring in when you're at the receiving end of the human love. But when you're at the giving end of the love, it becomes betrayal.

How can you say your parents do not love you when they sacrifice their lives to give you food, cloth, shelter and even good education and upbringing?

How can you say it is not love when a spouse gives everything when they meet their ther half?

How can you say it is not love when siblings would do anything to protect and help one another?

How can you say it is not love when you have a friend that can go to the end of the world for you?

The only difference between the Love in the bible and the aforementioned human love is simple, one is real and the former is imaginary.

sonmvayina:
Very very free....hell is a human creation...

The point is according to the bible, God gave man dominion on earth.
He gave man free will to choose between Life and Death. Deuteronomy 30:19

1. Which is why he could not stop Adam and Eve from eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

2. Which is why there is so much evil in the world because man chooses to continue in sin.

3. Which is why he can not force any one to serve him.

4. Which is why to redeem the sin of Adam and Eve, he had to sacrifice his Son Jesus Christ to save man instead of simply stopping man from committing sin.

But also according to the bible there are instances where God superseded man's freewill.
1. When Jesus blinded Paul on his way to persecute Christians in Damascus for him to accept him as Lord.

2. When God drove King Nebuchadnezzar out of men to live like an animal for years until he accepted God as Most High.

3. When God sent a storm and whale to swallow up Jonah till he accepted to deliver his message.

4. When the bible said God hardened the hearts of men so that his would prevail.

truespeak:
We have answered this question before and you could not fault it but I understand that you seek the frail and unfounded whom you could put under trial and fire in your own thread!

Since your answer on this discussion has been noted, you can scurry off now.
This thread is for civilized discussion and not for those who can't discuss rationally without resorting to curses and invective.

truespeak:
Wicked and Evil man!

How was Paul's conversion against his freewill? Eh, Wicked soul!

Was it not rather that Paul was Killing the Lord which caused the Lord to confront him? And that his blindness was to Stop him? And when he saw it was the Lord he was Killing whom he wrongly thought he stood for, that he repented of his evil and rather now rightly stood for the Lord thenceforth?

You are indeed an Evil Wicked Soul fit for the Bin!

One of the dominant arguments concerning the validity of Christianity is whether or not God gave man Free will or not.

The question is did God give man the power of Free will?
Meaning God cannot force man to do whatever he does not want to do.

Or does God have the power to supersede man's freewill and force him to do whatever he pleases?

There are scriptural references supporting man's freewill.
And there are scriptural references supporting God superceding man's freewill.

What is your position with scriptural references.

MaxInDHouse:
I have been trying to correct your views on this matter for long but you often flair up and turn to rage over facts.

Christ is the truth {John 14:6} i don't know how old you are but whoever has grown above puberty stage certainly knows that the truth can never ever have up to 2% in any society or generation. Because 99.9% of people are looking for their own interest therefore they'll never give in to ideas that will not bring them quick gain and that is what TRUTH always does it doesn't bring quick result rather whoever takes side with the truth often experience immediate negativity from all sides. Matthew 10:34-36
So the ideology of having a large number of people on the side of Jesus (Truth) is a deceit from the father of lies! John 8:44
What you need to know is that there has never been a time in history when people up to 5% of the population were on God's side and Satan the one deceiving the whole inhabited earth is still very much around! Revelations 12:9
So first try to figure out who are the true Christians out of billions claiming Christians {Matthew 7:13-14} then meditate on what is obtainable in their gathering {John 17:20-23} Jesus himself told his true followers:

"I have said these things to you so that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world" John 16:33


Here Jesus made it clear that all around them there will be troubles here and there but within his own group there will be LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Luke 10:17} and PEACE! John 14:27
May you have PEACE!

How come then has the end not come?

Christianity is one of the most dominant religions in the world today.
There is virtually no nation on earth where Chriatianity has not been preached.
There is virtually no nation on earth where Jesus has not been preached

The great commission as it is called is the final instructions of Jesus to his disciples after his resurrection from death.

Matthew 24:14 categorically says that after the gospel of Jesus is preached to all nations the end will come.

The gospel though having been preached to all nations for over a century,the end is yet to come.

Though there are other conditions as stated in Luke 21.

But the issue is this.
All these conditions have been met by either missionaries or colonialists for years. Yet the end has not yet come.

Most Pastors have attributed the Covid-19 Pandemic to be a sure sign that the end is near.

The question begs the following;

1. Is this the first time there has been a global pandemic?
2. Is this first time there would be wars?
3. The gospel, thanks to missionaries who sort to fulfill the gospel has been preached to all nations for centuries,yet the end is not even close.
4. There have been worse pandemics, wars, eclipses, etc than we are presently experiencing .
5. With the widespread of Christianity to the ends of the earth, what significant difference has it made?
Atleast 50 percent of Nigerian believe the gospel of Jesus,yet Nigeria is one of the worst countries in the world in terms of sinfulness, poverty and insecurity.

So it makes it difficult to preach to the rest of the world that Christianity is the solution to peace, righteousness and riches (being successful).

This makes ones question the validity of Christianity;
Is it just another religion like Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc
All claiming to be the true religion. Yet being unable to solve the several problems of humanity.

CharisEleos:
Go back and read my last comment cos it's what I wrote there I'm still going to repeat and if you can't comprehend that one you'll still not get it if I repeat. So no need wasting my time.

Shalom.

Since you claim we have not invited the Holyspirit. You who have invited the Holyspirit should be able to teach us what he has taught you.

CharisEleos:
You just ended twisting the whole thing and confusing yourself the more.

Please go back and read my last comment carefully.

Easy route avoiding the questions. It's ok to say you do not know. It's actually pride to claim to know when you do not know.

NwaAmaikpe:




The hardest thing to do is to let go of sin and surrender your life to Christ.
But the easiest thing to do is to backslide after giving your life to Christ because the devil brings juicier temptations your way.

Most times I give my life to Christ because I know the devil will make my job at finding a temptation easier and he never lets me down.

He gives me juicier ones I wouldn't have gotten by myself.
Like, was it not through altar-call follow-up that my affair with the junior pastor's wife began?

I'm sure my own pastor has gotten tired of me because I come out for every Sunday's altar call.

But isn't that why the altar call is there in the first place?

You're incorrigible!

CharisEleos:
I don't know why you people like to read only a part of the Bible and leave out the other part just to back up your claims.

Now what does this In verse 3 mean?
Genesis 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, .


Now, the part you quoted simply shows that they were allowed to eat of the tree of life ( in order to live long) as long as they didn't eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. But God seeing that they have eaten the forbidden had to stop them because allowing them to live forever haven acquired such knowledge would be a disaster to God s creation or pose a threat or danger to God's kingdom and kingship just like the devil tried to divide and challenge God's authority.

Invite the holy Spirit whenever you want to study the word of God for proper understanding.

I believe the bible says where 2 or 3 are gathered in the name of Jesus, he is there. So we have invited the Holyspirit since this post is about the bible and the bible is about Jesus Christ. The Holyspirit being the Spirit of Christ.

So let's dissect the verses together with the help of the Helper.

Genesis 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

Genesis 3:2-3
And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.

First inconsistency.
Eve said God said even by touching the tree they would die.

Second inconsistency.
From the quoted verses they were not meant to die if they had not eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Right? Wrong.

If they were not meant to die, why was there a tree of life?
Why did God have to chase them out of the garden simply to prevent them from eating of the tree of life and living forever in the sinful state?

Are you saying the tree of life was not meant for them had they not eaten of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
Was it a back up plan because God knew they would fall and eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

If God knew? Then why blame them for following God's plan?

DappaD:
Bold of you to assume the kind of person I am in real life because you’re intent on making a point. There is no “righteous” person on earth who has not at some point sinned(Ecclesiastes 7:20) because we all inherited sinned from Adam(the man you’re trying to push blame away from).(Romans 5:12) which means that his descendants are also prone to make mistakes. James 3:2
But what does God look out for before forgiveness even though someone may have committed the worst of sins? First, the sinner must be repentant and feel sorry for the wrong he has done and Jehovah will welcome him with open arms and forget his error(Psalm 86:5). Second, the sin must not be categorized under the kind that incurs death as such makes a person irredeemable. 1John 5:16-17 see also Matthew 12:31-32
Adam failed on both accounts because after he knew that he sinned, he wasn’t repentant instead he was busy trading blames(Genesis 3:12) and Jehovah specifically told him that if he ate of the tree he would return to dust. Genesis 2:17
So Mr Myer next time know how to talk to somebody instead of assuming we’re all one and the same.

I did not assume. The bible itself made the assumption. Psalm 14:3, Romans 3:10
1 John 1:8-10
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.
But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.
If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

I was making a generic statement concerning how we are quick to judge Adam and Eve for 1 sin. Yet it's almost impossible to stay sin free for even a day considering what Jesus enumerated as sins in Matthew 5:17-48.
Even as a new creation.

You rightly said Adam and Eve would have been forgiven if only they asked for forgiveness.
You know this from reading examples in the bible that God forgives a repentant heart.
Once again I must remind you that they were the First humans meaning they did not even know what asking for forgiveness meant, having never sinned before.

Meaning though they were wrong, they never knew what to do to make it right. And God never told them that.

DappaD:
See what trying to look for inconsistences in the Bible has led you to become.
Adam perfectly understood the consequences of his disobedience so if you say otherwise that is your cup of tea. After all Genesis 2:17 is there for you yet you cannot refute the scripture. And yet you cannot prove that Adam didn’t know the consequences of disobedience? Meanwhile Genesis 2:17 is there proving otherwise.


Concerning the highlighted, haven’t we gone over this before?

It is more difficult to avoid seeing and acknowledging the inconsistencies though.
You can read up my thread about that to know how obvious they are.

But that's not even the issue here. The issue is that you who disobeys God every day is here judging Adam and Eve for disobeying God once.
Even as new creations who have been reborn with the "seed of Christ" overcoming the seed of Adam in Christians , you still continue to disobey God.

So disobeying God was eventually inevitable.
How do we know this?
Because even in heaven prior to the creation of man even the angels disobeyed God and war broke out in heaven.

Concerning man not dying instantly, you still haven't been able to answer the purpose of the tree of life which was why God chased them out of the garden just so they would not live forever in a sinful nature.

Genesis 3: 23
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.

Kobojunkie:
In the Kingdom of God, which is not of this world, sold us by Jesus Christ, there are only 2 domains, and they are Heaven and Hell , both of which are not of this world.

Paradise appears to be of this world and this from Christ's statement on the cross to the thief stating that he, the thief, would be with Him, Jesus Christ, in paradise that very same day. We know that Jesus Christ did not ascend to Heaven until after His resurrection, leaving us with likelihood that paradise is a place in this world.

Where then did Jesus promise the thief? Heaven, Hell or Earth?

DappaD:
Humans did not begin to exist as a result of mindless evolution and I guess you agree with that. Jehovah molded the first man and told him to recreate. Genesis 1:26-28
So since only he fully understands how the human body and mind functions(1John 3:20), he is therefore in the BEST position to decide how we should live our lives i.e. only Jehovah can give us direction(Isaiah 30:21) because those commandments are for our own benefit. Isaiah 48:17-18
So yes, whatever Jehovah decides as right and wrong is completely correct because he alone is perfect and all his ways are righteous and just. Deuteronomy 32:4



Adam had all access pass to Jehovah as in there was barrier in communication between this man formed from dust and his Creator so in one of their conversations, God told him: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”—Genesis 2:17
So Adam perfectly understood the consequences of his disobedience that he would return back to the dust from which he was formed if he disobeyed. Genesis 2:7, 3:19



Adam’s prospect of everlasting life depended on his continued obedience to every one of Jehovah’s commandments. That is why it is said that “Man does not live by bread alone(physical food) but every word that proceeds from Jehovah’s mouth(spiritual food/life-saving instructions)”—Deuteronomy 8:3 see also Matthew 4:4
Adam despised life-saving instructions from Jehovah therefore he was no longer fit to live. Genesis 3:19



My earlier response to this was:


Well, God never hardened Pharaoh’s heart. The King James translation of Romans 9:18 renders the scripture in such a way that makes it seem that way but close look at context shows that God allowed Pharaoh to show his stubbornness so that the nations would know that Jehovah the true God was backing Israel. Romans 9:17

This is an inconsistent argument.
Only God knows how the human mind works yet he judged Adam and Even for falling to temptation?

Remember the bible never mentioned how long they lived in Eden before they finally fell for the temptation.
It could be over a thousand years before they finally fell to the temptation.

Meaning since God knew how the human mind works he also knew they would eventually fall. Right?

How you conclude that Adam "understood" the consequences of his action beats me.

Did you know the meaning of sickness or you finally understood it when you fell sick?
Which was why I gave the analogy of the child and fire.

Yes Adam "knew" that according to God he would die if he ate of the tree. But did he understand the consequences?

Did Adam not see that even after Eve ate of the fruit she actually did not die?
Giving credence to the serpeant that they would not surely die? But rather become wise as God?

But the truth is we are quick to judge Adam and Eve when we ourselves keep falling for petty temptations daily.
God says do not lie. Have you lied this week?
God says do not get angry. Have you gotten angry this week?
God says do not lust. Have you lusted this week? Lusted after money, women, power?

Yet you are a child of God who Jesus has died for and you keeping falling for these temptations. So how then can you blame Adam and Eve who did not even have a foreknowledge of the consequences of their actions!

Kobojunkie:
where did Jesus Christ liken the Kingdom of God to paradise please.

He mentioned Paradise to the thief on the cross sure, but how did you arrive at Paradise being a part of the Kingdom of God?

According to Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God are found two domains.... Heaven and Hell and only those who believe and obey Him according to John 3 vs 1-21 can gain access to any of the two domains. The same Jesus Christ also made it clear to all that His Kingdom is not of this world.

You suggest that there is a third domain, Paradise, and this third domain is right here on earth... basically countering most every thing Jesus Christ said regarding His Kingdom, hence my desire to know where you get this idea of yours from.

Is heaven not paradise?
Paradise is not a third domain but heaven.

Dtruthspeaker:
Remember, it is Only The Bible which Tells you what Wisdom is, therefore, based on the Bible's Description of it, I do Recognize it!

Then you should be able to describe it using bible reference.