nairalee: May His Gentle and Humble soul rest in Perfect peace.
I wasn't a TB Joshua fan for years, decades even. But I started respecting the man when I realised his simplicity and generosity.
Whether he was a real prophet or not is not the issue. He was a good person. Atleast from his media representation since I do not know him personally.
However the question remains that for a man who claimed to have a prophecy for everything even politics, it's quite odd he did not see his own death. Jesus saw his own death and even used it to preach.
Though his fb page has somehow found a way to share his last moments where he mentioned that there is time for everything including a time to die. But for a man of his "supposed" spiritual gifts it should not be a vague prophecy but something with more details. Except he was not ready for it.
At the end of the day,he has a lot of good works in his name. If truly his miracles are real then biblically he has earned the crown. But if his miracles were fake, I cant even comment on that.
HEAVEN4444: 57th portal and mercury retrograde and that gemini energy of splitting a man into two halves and the galactic center at 46 seconds sagitarius, got TB Joshua. he had no choice. he had to bow out to the energies. his soul got zapped
meanwhile on this post i am the first. the first shall be last and the last shall be first. i accept the new mantle placed on me today as the new heaven ASHE
What are you saying man? So it is his horoscope that killed him? And because you're the first to comment on his thread you have received his mantle?
Do you hear yourself at all or you just type on impulse?
umunaija: Buhari keep shooting himself in the foot. Is better to ignore somethings but always proving stubborn will only hurt you. Now the world will hear about ipob, like CNN said, 1 - 3 million Igbos were killed. Many people that don't know about it before will know it now. Many people will be sympathetic to Ipob because of this. One funny thing about life is that when you think you are doing people, you are actually doing yourself. Buhari is always promoting nnamdi kanu and Biafra. What an irony.
Let's be real here, did ya'll expect the president of any country to fold his arms when Police stations and INEC officies were being burned down and staff murdered?
CatANDratTHEORY: Ezeife is right and also wrong. Let me explain, Ezeife cannot swear that IPOB/ESN have not carried out any attack on anybody (security operatives inclusive) in Igbo land. In this vein he is completely wrong.
He is right in the sense that he believes the certain people in high places are sponsoring these killings to the give the SE a bad name: a case of giving a dog a bad name in order to hang it. They will hinge their argument on the fact that there are unrests in the SE to send down troops there, we all can imagine how it will play out...what's happening in Imo is just the tip of an iceberg. The security agents will hinge on this and embark on a killing spree, arresting, maiming, torturing and detaining unarmed young men because we all know that they can't confront their matched counterpart ESN.
He lost me at " igbos dont shed blood". By igbos, are we still talking about the ritualists state or the marijuana?
blueAgent: Is there any law in the 10commandments that talks about death?
The law(not the 10commandments , but the mosiac law) demands that anyone who violates the 10commandments, must be killed becos the wages of sin is death , and that's what Christ saved us from, the penalty of breaking God's law and not God's law itself.
You must understand that there were many laws in the Bible but the 10commandments were unique becos they were the only laws written by the finger of God and are the only laws that explicitly forbids sin.
So when you see law, you must understand the context in which the word law is been applied inorder to understand which law they are referring to.
The 10commandments written by God, explicitly reveals what sin is.
Laws written by Moses.
1 law that proscribed death on breakers of God's law.
2.Laws that deal with civil matters in Israel.
3. Laws to deal with sin,that's the scarifical laws and preisthood.
4. Laws dealing with feasts, food, Holidays Holy conventions this where the ceremonial laws.
I have broken them down for you.
How then did you come to the conclusion that it was only the 10 Commandments that were being referred to by Christ and not the over 600 laws?
Just the same way you concluded that all the other laws have been abolished, anyone else can conclude that the whole laws have been abolished.
Afterall tithing is not part of the 10 commandments yet it is one of the yardstick for judging believers in most churches. Some notable GO has even instructed his pastors to preach that non-tithers are going to hell fire.
I'm telling you just as apostle paul is telling us all, we are no longer bound by laws. (Colossians 2:16-17) Afterall the sabath is among the 10 commandments yet it has been abolished even by Christ being Lord over Sabath and even John 4:21-24 confirms this.
However we do not use this as a reason to live lawlessly but the love of Christ constrains us to live right not according to any laws but by the law of the Spirit which is the new covenant.
You are only intrested in supporting your preconceived ideas not the truth or fact, if not have you asked yourself why there are several verses in the New testament that warns us to obey and keep the 10commandments.
Have you tried one day to rationalise or understand which law those verses are talking about.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God cannot free you from keeping the law becos it is not a burden and it is the way to life. How would God keep something good and that leads to life from his children?
Proverbs 4:4 Then he taught me and said to me, “Let your heart hold fast my words; Keep my commandments and live
Proverbs 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 7:3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.
Nehemiah 9:29 And testifiedst against them, that thou mightest bring them again unto thy law: yet they dealt proudly, and hearkened not unto thy commandments, but sinned against thy judgments, (which if a man do, he shall live in them and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear.
Ezekiel 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
How can God abolish something that is good,Holy and just?
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
You have shared very good verses to support your standpoint. Just as I have shared verses that support my own standpoint. But this one question I wish to learn from you.
Why would God send his only begotten Son (or arguable send Himself) to die for the sins of mankind just so that the status quo remains the same as the old covenant?
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Your a product of failed parenting.
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The sit-at-home compliance was not by choice but as a result of threats and order from Kanu that defiant indigenes should be killed.
Will you feign ignorance of the several videos in circulation showing IPOB foot soldiers wielding weapons attacking Igbo indigenes that dared to defy the sit-at-home order?
Why igbos are attacking and killing their fellow Igbos just to get the attention of Buhari is what I'm still yet to fathom.
blueAgent: The subject of dispute was on circumcision and other ceremonial laws and customs which the Jews demanded that the Gentiles must keep for them to be saved, but Paul told them that those things were not necessary but whether one was circumcised or not what was must important was keeping the law of God, Weather you are a jew or Gentiles .
1 Corinthians 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
This is interesting because it contradicts some of his other verses which I shared.
I’m going to miss her. I have no option than looking out for Coco Gauff then.
Why do they have to mandate it for every player to appear before the press to speak?
This is a player I prefer seeing and enjoying her dexterity with the racket rather than her verbal response.
It's mandatory because the press play a major role in the success of the tournament. Sidelining the press is considered disrespectful.
If she was not fined, others would follow suit.
While I respect her decision,i just hope she wont be banned from future tournaments. Hopefully she has a fail-safe proof to back up her mental health excuse.
A righteous person in old testament is one who obeys the commandments of God, one who has the law of God in his heart.
Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.
Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
In the New testament a righteous person is one who also has the commandments of God written in his hearts and who by the power of the Holy spirit obeys and does the commandments of God.
The death of Christ was to pay the debt which we owe the law, which is death. So Christ resurrection frees us from the death penalty and offers us eternal life on condition of us obeying the commandments of God.
There is no difference.
A righteous person in old testament is one who obeys the commandments of God, one who has the law of God in his heart.
Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.
Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
In the New testament a righteous person is one who also has the commandments of God written in his hearts and who by the power of the Holy spirit obeys and does the commandments of God.
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
The death of Christ was to pay the debt which we owe the law, which is death. So Christ resurrection frees us from the death penalty and offers us eternal life on condition of us obeying the commandments of God.
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalms 119:34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
I beg to differ. This my friend is the issue between Paul and the other Apostles. There's a major difference between the old and the new covenants, friend.
Paul was a righteous man by the law's standard (old testament). But realised he was nothing and relinquished everything he was when he found Christ. Philippines 3:1-7
He was anointed to preach a different gospel to the gentiles who the Holyspirit handpicked and sent him to preach to. His gospel was considered different which the other apostles and others found heretic. This led to him being summoned in Galatians 2-3 and Acts 15. He saying there should be no burden of the law placed on the converts. While the apostles were enburdening the converts with the old laws (circumcision and other laws).
Apostle Peter knowing Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles (uncircumcised) just as he was the Apsoltle to the circumcised (Jews) Gal 2:7 later acknowledged that Paul's teachings were different. 2 Peter 3:15-16
You have to now decide are you a Jew or a Gentile?
The law talked about in Acts15 is the law of circumcision not the 10commandments. There is no law in the 10commandments that commands one to circumise, so its obvious it was not the 10commandments that were been talked about in Acts 15.
This idea that ones you are born of the spirit and water you no longer need the law is just Satan's way of deceiving people.
What makes you born of the spirit in the first place?
Do you think is confession of Jesus that make you born of the spirit?
ACTS 2:38: “Peter replied, ‘All of you MUST TURN AWAY FROM YOUR SINS and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT.’” (New international Reader’s Version)
ACTS 2:38: “Peter replied, ‘All of you MUST STOP BREAKING THE LAW AND START OBEYING IT and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT.'” (Erickson’s Literal Translation, not yet published) The Greek for “SINS” refers to anomia, defined as breaking mostly OT laws. “Turn away from your sins” means EXACTLY the same as STOP BREAKING BIBLICAL LAWS AND START OBEYING THEM.
Quick questions. 1. What is the difference between a righteous person in the old testament and the new testament?
2. What was the significance of the death and resurrection of Christ?
Righteousness2: How Heartless and Seared the mind and hearts of people have become and you say no moral Judgement!!
May GOD have Mercy on you.
Engaging Joyfully in Immorality and Confidently engaging in abortion. O My GOD! I weep for you! Repent from this Wickedness and Heartlessness Before GOD closes your Chapter! Hell is Real!
Your spiritual ignorance seems to grow in length, breadth and height everyday. Cos all you do is judge and never love.
If you were discerning at all you would speak as one. Mary Magdalene did not become a disciple among disciples by being pious all her life. She became one by being first a great sinner. Even arguably one with 7 demons driven out of her.
What am I implying? Let me quote the very words of Jesus, Luke 7:47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little."
You should know that if God wills, op is more likely to love God more than the average Christian if you pray for her rather than condemn her.
blueAgent: There is no evidence that Paul was referring to the whole law, you are the one imposing your thoughts that paul was referring to the whole law.
You read out of context, if you read chapter 2 of Galatians you will see where the issue originated from, it was in regards to circumcision, so its obvious Paul was referring to those ceremonial laws and not the 10commandments.
Paul cannot be referring to the whole law becos that will make him a mad man,becos that same Paul asked us to establish the Law.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
And obey the law.
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Pleass read Acts 15 which is another account of Galatians 3. What do you make of this?
The apostles were in disagreement over whether they should preach the laws or whether they should not preach the laws. The arguments proceeded until James spoke.
James being inspired by the Holyspirit was led to share to the apostles not to impose the laws on the gentiles except to tell them to abstain from sacrifices to idols, sexual immorality and blood.
This forms my stand point that while the law is good, it is no longer a burden to a follower of Christ. You're no longer a slave to sin once born of the Spirit and water.
When you say law, you have to be precise about the law you are speaking of.
The Ten commandments cannot be a law that enslaved rather it is called law of liberty and the Royal law. James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Can a law which is just ,good,holy enslave one?
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Galatians 3 will let you know that by Law he was not differentiating between the Moral laws, ceremonial laws or Levitican laws. He was referring to all the Laws. Not that the are not holy,just and good but that any one who lives by them are cursed.
FarmTech: . There are 2 types of works u need to understand: 1. The work people do to get salvation. This is wrong. Because we are saved by grace alone, thru faith in Christ so that no one will boast. This is what Paul is emphasizing, that u can't mix work and faith to gain salvation. .
2. The work we do after accepting Christ. This is a must for every child of God. This is what Peter/James were saying, that if u really have faith in Christ, u must show it by the way u live ur live. Even apostle Paul said it in ROM 3:31 . ["Does it mean that by faith we do away with the Law? No, not at all, instead, we uphold the Law"] . More verses that shows that Paul agree with Peter/James: . Romans 6:12-23 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Slaves to Righteousness What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.
You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.
What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. . Romans 6:1, KJV: "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" . There are many more if you read Paul's epistles. Anyone who is telling u that u can remain in sin and still be a Christian by faith is a liar. Christians like that are the ones that call Christ Lord, but Christ will reject them and call them workers of iniquity. It is a pity that one homosexual supporter is still here arguing with us. That is one of the effect of false grace teachings.
I can't completely agree with you just because Paul was not speaking to unbelievers but to believers and mostly new converts.
It is easy to know Paul's stand on the Law. Galatians 3 makes it very clear.
Galatians 3:1-14 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort Have you suffered so much for nothing--if it really was for nothing?
Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
budaatum: I so wished frosbel2's thread was asking what the world would be like if the teachings of Christ, which I'm reducing to "Love your God with all your soul and all your heart and mind", and "Love your neighbours", were used to rule the world so decided to start one.
Many would shudder at the idea of what seems to go for Christian ideology ruling the world. I for one would rather not live in such a world where everyone would have to believe the same things for starts, which many have difficulty with, and anyone who refuses to would probably have to move with me to Mars! It appears to me that this error arises amongst Christians and atheists alike from the desire to look into the soul and heart and mind of others and be the determinant of whether they obey the first Jesus command of "Love your God", which in reality ought to be between oneself and one's maker, or oneself if one were unmade. But what if the more determinable and fruity command of "Love your neighbours" were the guiding principle by which we all lived?
Would Nairaland be a better place if we all had regard and respect, which is love, for one another?
As Utopian as this is, have you considered the downside?
So what happens when you practise Love your neigbour as yourself and turn the other cheek when slapped cos you're expected to forgive and never carry weapons. What happens when an Islamic nation or China brings war your way? Attacking you on all sides?
I do believe England in time past tried to live my the Law of Love but eventually ended up producing the Crusaders when they realized some wars could not be won by simply preaching love.
hunter21: In response to the topic itself, The truth is that Christ teachings are already being used to rule the, Christ is the pillar of this world. The scriptures says in Isaiah 33:22 "For the LORD is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king: he will save us.
For the LORD is our judge (thats the judiciary), the Lord is our lawgiver (thats the legislature), the LORD is our king: he will save us (that's the executive). This is the model of any democracy and it is taken straight out of the Bible, there is a reason why the United States of America is called God's own country.
Yet Christians (even in US) fume when asked to love homosexuals and transgenders? Where is the love of neighbour there?
Kobojunkie: 1. Deuteronomy 17 vs 2 -7 , Exodus 23 and Deuteronomy 19 vs 15 -21 how said sentence ought to be carried out and by whom.
2. According to the law(again read the passages provided above), the 2 or 3 witnesses of the crime are to cast the first stones. Since they did not, there was no other, given authority, to stone the woman to death for even that crime.
3. Jesus's question to them has nothing to do with your claim that no human is without sin as there are those who are without sin... and we have at least 5 examples of such "sinless" individuals provided us right there in the Gospels. So your assumption is flawed.
Wow. You still found a way to argue your way out of what the bible clearly states? I rest my case cos apparently it's.more important for you to be right than for the bible to be right.
Humanoid01: Bro De bruyne was in severe pains, did you see his eyes? But to be honest, he hardly got into the game tonight, he was dispossessed a few times. His departure wasn't really felt.
Chelsea was strategic about injuring him. They say the end justifies the means. So we celebrate with the noisemakers tonight. Congrats to Chelsea team and fans all around the world!
Kobojunkie: Why do you keep jumping to conclusions without doing some real research of our own?
Deuteronomy 19 vs 15 -21 holds possible reason as to why the so-called witnesses decided not to go ahead with the stoning. If true witnesses, they were well in their right to stone the woman to death but a simple question asked them by Jesus Christ in John 8, caused them to chose against carrying out wha would have been God's rightful judgement against the woman.
Exodus 23 contains other rules that "witnesses" are expected to abide by.
Was Jesus Christ the reason they stopped short of stoning the woman? Obviously not, but you seem to think it is His fault when the reason is found in the Old law, and nothing to do with this grace mumbo jumbo many like to spew without having a reasonable understanding of the implications of said beliefs.
I'll indulge you just to know how far you will defend this. Let's examine the passage together as written in the bible. So that we will only share what the bible says and not what we think or assume it says or what we expect it to say.
John 8:3-11 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said fto test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, j“Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on ksin no more.” ]]
1. This passage clearly says she was caught in the act. The Law says she should be stoned to death which the quoted. Verses 4-5 Whether by the witnesses that caught her or not is not the argument as Lev 20:10 doesn't mention witnesses but that she be put to death.
2. The passage also clearly states why they could not stone her. It does not say it is because they were not the witnesses. It states clearly that it was because of the question Jesus asked them. Verses 7-9
Jesus did not ask them if they were the witnesses. He asked them if they were without sin. Knowing no human is without sin. Hence they could not stone her because they too were sinners.
Kobojunkie: How did Jesus Christ "overrule" them when what He did was in obedience to the law as well? And here, the law in regards to the stoning of sinners to death. The so called witnesses inthe case of the adulteress woman did not see fit to cast the first stone, so why would Jesus Christ, who never witnessed the event, have been expected to carry out the sentence against her?
Please help me see this contradiction you continue to speak of. Am I to believe it is now even in the Old Covenant?
Jesus asked them a question no human could pass though. "Let he without sin be the first to cast the stone." He did not ask that any witness should cast the stone as stated in the law.
Anyway, I grow tired of this back and forth. It's probably for the better that you do not see any contradictions.
Kobojunkie: Am I correct in assuming, from the above, that what you refer to as grace is nothing but man showing mercy to his fellow man then, at least directly from the first example?
Recall that Jesus Christ told the Pharisees to go and learn what the statement, "For I desire steadfast love1 and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.",means? That statement comes from God's message to His people through His prophets Samuel- 1 Samuel 15 vs 22 -, Hosea and Micah.
What Jesus Christ did with the woman caught in the act of Adultery, and on the Sabbath(showing mercy to those in need), was in fact in obedience to God's Old Covenant comandments/rules. The Pharisees who focused on those portions of the law that benefited them the most missed God's core message and Jesus Christ pointed this out on more than one occasion. The law " Love your neighbor as you love your self" comes from the Old Covenant and in the same, we find the Sabbath laws in which the people are instructed not to do any work at all on the sabbath day. However, the people were expected to continue in obedience/compliance of all the laws, including the command to love their neighbor, on that day. Leading us then to realizing that a man is not justified in refusing to show love to his neighbor on a sabbath day. God is not pleased with any man who refuses to free another from a yoke burdening him on a Sabbath day either. By this we know that even on the Sabbath day, God expects us to love our neighbors(even our enemies) as we love our selves. No one gets a free pass where obedience of the other laws are concerned even when it is the Sabbath day.
How you came about labeling this a contradiction is what I would very much like to know more of.
I would think the contradictions are obvious. Cos you have simply proven my point. That all the laws become futile by considering the law of love your neighbor as yourself.
Exodus 31:15 (the law the Pharisees were defending) 12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Note that Jesus did not deny it. He simply overruled it by saying He was Lord over the Sabbath.
Leviticus 20:10 (the Law the Jews were executing against the adulteress woman) The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
Please i really need your sincere advice concerning my relationship, we have been dating for the past two years, but honestly speaking i am not enjoying the relationship, i dont know what is wrong with my man, at times, he would travel for three month without giving me any notice, and throughout that time, his number will be switch off, for the past two years that we have started dating, he has done that for over 5times, and i am getting confuse if i am not in the wrong hand, he wouldnt give me any good excuse and i am getting fed up with him, i dont want to break up with him all because we have gone a long way, but with his attitude, i dont think i can cope again, time is going...
Please i want the whole house to advice me because i dont know how to cope again, he has gone again and dont knw when he will be coming back.
Blame Buhari or Desmond Idiot.
However, there are 2 things involved. You're either the side chic. Or he is just trying to balance himself and prioritizing that over relationship.
Buhari'a govt ruining relationships and marriages on a daily cos almost everybody dey frustrate, forget what you see on social media.
tommy589: Don't forget different authors wrote the books.They received instructions from God,as they say,but we don't know thier mindset or under what influence. I chose to make do with some of the scriptural messages and don't bother with embellishments
Exactly my point. While both authors claim to be inspired by God. We can agree their accounts are different.
Whose account anyone believes is simply predicated upon their choice of religion with both sides claiming the other side is inspired by the devil.
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and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear.