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UdechiHD:
Lol! Says an Afonja who patron Awolowo brought tribalism to Nigerian politics.

How did Awolowo introduce tribalism into Nigeria politics?

Repeating a lie numerous times will not change the reality that it is a lie. We understand the greed of the Igbos, they want to take what doesn't belong to them and the Yorubas will never allow that to happen

Americanboy35:
He said the real truth, and nothing but the truth!!! The people of the southwest and north caused the majority of the problems Nigeria is facing now. Time for southeast to rule the country is now!!!

Please did you find time to go through the interview, sir?

He didn't make any good point, he was deflecting most of the question asked but because of your perceived hatred for the Yorubas, you are applauding him.

These are the salient point the guy fails to do justice to in this interview:

1. How do we solve our current security issues: he answered by opposing the initiative of regional police to support the centralized police system that we are all condemning that is not fair to all ethnic nationalities.

2. He opposed any form of restructuring to giving more power to the central government because he believes his ethnic group will always have the upper hand if the status quo continues.

3. He rationalized the quota system to mean bringing the less productive and poorly educated northern to be at parity with the south without considering what the south sacrifices for such to happen.

My conclusion, northern political figures like him don't mean well for what we want Nigeria to be. They want a Nigeria where socialist policies that favour them and their religion to be implemented at the sacrifices of development and progress.

Tflesk:
chai jealously wont allow u to believe... hahaha igbos are far far better than d yorubas and northerners put together both in talent, ideas, endurance, economic development etc

Where did you get this statistics from?
But all the information available shows that the reverse is the case.

SaintLucia:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://punchng.com/why-im-against-restructuring-obasanjo/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjGpfyS3_fnAhVBKBoKHZ-rAgsQFjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1tigBZWTrP6mfQ8xjV0_Ut



Obasanjo with his double mouth, a man that always put his own interest first before anything..... Why didn't he restructure the country in his 8 years?

A wise man will look at the message instead of questioning the personality and antecedent of the messenger

PHijo:
What has Nigeria done with the much they took? Have the peoples of the Niger Delta been answered when they ask on the quantity of gold, rubies, lead and other solid minerals you've been mining and taking 100 percent. You've not answered that yet you insist you must receive account for "13 pecent" allocation you give them from all you are stealing.

Technically, no one is stealing anything since Bayelsa and all the oil-producing states are still constituents of the Nigeria state until the constitution is changed no arm is done

Godons1:
This not Onitcha market where almost everybody is an illiterate. When you want to quote figures, show links to back up your claims. If you don't have any proof, go and argue with your Brothers in Onitcha market.

The East does not contribute antyping to the Economy.
Quote me anywhere.

This is what I tell easterners eyeing the hydrocarbons of minority groups shouting about restructuring or Biafra. The question is what does the east possess or contribute to the centre now to warrant such hubris from them.

The reality is the east should be the last region to shout or demand restructuring.

Enwhen:
I am not from the East... The east want Biafra, the southwest want restructuring... ,pls u will do well by apologizing to this moniker , when u get to know things and powers that owns Nigeria...and maybe not until u try to seek federal appointment or political favour , u may not understand... But only Baba OBJ can explained what he went through in 1999, to bring justice to many federal characters.


Let Baba Buhari wakes up tomorrow morning and says he want to restructure Nigeria , let me see if who go against him... But let a southern president tries it, and see the way the majority NAS members from the north unite and kick against it...may God not leave Nigeria alone.

Biafra that wants restructuring are those unemployed youth and those defeated politician from the last polls. The eastern politicians in Abuja and those in their respective states as governors, commissioners, permanent secretary and political office holders are not talking about break up restructuring, this should indicate to you that the elites are all comfortable with the status quo.

Nigeria will be restructured if all the political and business elite from the south and middle belt all agreed to it, ranting of nonentities like us on social media will not change anything

Lipscomb:
Don't ever quote me again. I don't do shit or get myself involve in stupid argument. And from all indication you're brainless.

When a fool loss an argument or they have nothing to say, they invariably result to insult, I will not engage an empty barrel-like you. Stay in your lane

Enwhen:
No southern president, I REPEAT, no southern president can carry out restructuring without war...only a northern president can achieve it, and the north would never forgive such northerner because of what they are presently gaining...

How do you reach this verdict?

It amazes me how greatly you assign too much power to the North or northerners generally, and I have observed this is more widespread among our south-east brothers, perhaps it is due to all the religious conflicts they have suffered in hands of Hausa-Fulani.

Get this straight, No president can truly restructure Nigeria until the legislators and the president all concede to a constitution conference where our Constitution can be rewritten to enable for true restructuring. So, my friend stop assigning the power the north or northerners do not possess to them

mrvitalis:
North west ruled for 2 years . buhari completed it for them the next time it goes north is to north east

What about Shagari presidency in 1979 and 1983, was he not from the not west?

The simple truth is the presidency is only rotated between the north and the south. When it comes to each of these regions, the sub political zones will trudge it out among themselves. No one will handle the presidency on a plate to the Igbos.
Brace up, the Yorubas are coming out in full force to take the APC and if they play their game well they will be president

Lipscomb:
I doubt if any region can be self reliant. Even Including south-south. Some people don't know that our politicians have milk the country dry.

Don't go there my brother!
The south-south ( oil-producing state) by accident of nature has been endowed immensely. Imagine what 2 million barrel will do for a county of only 15m people? It will turn to overnight paradise no matter how clueless or corrupt the leaders are. Saudi Arabia is a case study.

So stop deluding yourself, abundant resources for a moderately low populated region will perpetually alleviate the people to greatness

PHijo:
You did the census to ascertain Bayelsa 's population?!

What does your stinking state contribute?

Leave us alone!!! Leave the Niger Delta alone!!!!

Instead of coming up with sensible solutions you talk trash!

What is 13 percent compared to 87 per cent Nigeria takes from Bayelsa?

Have you been to Bayelsa to see the challenges? If you have, do you know her history?

I agree with you those oil-producing states deserve to keep all the money earned from the crude oil in their land but we must also ask what they have done with meagre giving to them.

IpobAntidote:
Baba lost his memory while he was the president. He never talked about restructuring back then.

#HopelessHypocrite

If you go through the interview you will know that he did, he said and I quoted "When I was elected President the agitation was true federalism but now it is restructuring"

Now, people want something else

itsme01:
The ambiguity of the word restructuring, what exactly are we restructuring? are we going to cancel state and move back to regionalism or we would allow non-viable states to die of starvation without resources?

Restructuring means resources control, review of military fiat we called a constitution, going back to true federalism where the states are truly independent of the central.

It will now be left with non-viable state to coalesced with those viable state similarity with in religion or ethnicity.

djon78:
Why must everything be controlled by Abuja? Example the issue of electricity, many Southern governments were able to generate electricity but instead of channeling it to the generated areas, rather it must be channeled to the ineffective national grid. If it was not like that many southern states should have had steady electricity by now.

Likewise many things must be channeled to Abuja. Decentralizarion or going into regions would have enabled each area to move at its own pace.

The core North draws development of this nation back. Education wise they don't go to school. They have the highest number of out of school children in the continent. Still they claim superior to everyone.

I have a friend from Katsina that we normally discussed political matter with from our university days. There was a day we were discussing and this same issue came up. That day, he raised an important point that we southerners and middle beltan can't continue to blame the core-northerners for all the ills of society, since we now have democracy where each states and regions are represented in the national assembly and however, the south and middle belt together have more representative and hence can force the core-north to do what is right. The question is what are our representatives doing in the national assembly.

If a state like Kano decided to ban alcoholic sales when the constitution allows the consumption of alcohol, why must they partook in the sharing of tax accrue from such. What then is our legislature doing when alcohol is mostly consumed in the south and Kano get a lion share of tax from alcohol sales when they don't even allow it in their domain?

If Nigeria must change, we must all play of part from the type of people we elected to represent us at the federal government

Dupamecano:
Contact with the Portuguese? You mean the portuguese who maimed raided pillaged humiliated and enslaved them? packed them into ships like sardines and sent them off all over the world? this is what you are proud about? that wasnt contact, that was decimation. You should never bring that up with pride.

Dude dont talk about history because you clearly know nothing about it. Muhammad Askiya married off his daughter auwa (who later became one of the influential women in hausa land) to muhammad rumfa as sort of a peace offering. This is a time when kano was at the height of its commercial strength and attracted merchants and traders from all over the world including the famous traveller leo africanus. Rumfas palace was one of the the richest and most flamboyant in the continent. Shortly after askiyas invasion of kano, Muhammad Kotal Kanta of Kebbi, another hausa king, took advantage of divisions within the songhai and was able to defeat the songhais in hausa land. Subsequent kings like rumfas son Abdullahi and his grand son Muhammad Kisoki were able to conquer former songhai tributaries. This is what we were up to during the 15th and 16th century. You on the other hand were getting abused and violated by europeans.


Fvck the brits. Part of the norths poor economic performance was its refusal to kowtow to their demands because unlike you we are not their b-tches. Also, you're right, lack of ports is also a factor but that is not anyones fault. You may be comfortable making another man rich, thats not who we are.


More corrupt based on what? i've been to the south and i see nothing but misery. Lacking fundamental social amenities. Northern governors have performed better by a margin. The ones who havent are either disposed of or rebelled against. My only qualms about northern leaders is they're investing in the wrong thing. They should be investing on human capital and things like education and healthcare, not roads and bridges.

If you stop your hubris then we can have a meaningful conversation here my guy.

I'm not just any southerner, I'm a northern born and bred Yoruba. I speak the language, attended all my schools here in the north. I was forced to study Hausa literature for three years in secondary school, so I know what I'm saying.

Nigeria is generally a low-income country across board but the northern region is far far behind other part of Nigeria in so many things like literacy, poverty alleviation, social mobility, tolerance, conducive environment for investment and trade. Can the north improved her position if she is willing to opened up and undergo social reform? The answer is yes, but also she mustn't piss off her neighbors in the south in other to warrant them to demand having a different country.

I started Following active political happening since 2000 and I know how many pioneering democratically elected governors from the north wasted a golden opportunity to positioned their states on the path of growth to chase what I termed political "Sharia" all in the name of getting cheap popularity from the army of illiterate and religious intolerance followers. Thereby, sacrificing real nation building through investment in education, female empowerment and general well-being of their people. The only governor that tried in this respect was that of Katsina (Sheu Musa Yaradua, may God forgive his sins). He build road, schools, empowered women and opened up the states to the outside world, despite all these most people in the urban area hate him (especially the Izala movement in the state) , they even labelled him unbeliever. He won his re-election thanks to those in the rural areas who saw is good works in the domain, since most urban dwellers were radicalized by this religious promoters.

Fast forward to today, Zamfara state, which was at the fore front of "political sharia" implementation is the poorest and one of the most unstable state in the north while Yerima stole the state dry and refuse to invest a dime in any critical sector is being praised as a promoter of the deen. Until the northern middle class like you can have a very deep thinking and carry out a social revolution being propagated by his excellency Emir Sanusi, the north will always remain backward and their backwardness will make Nigeria and west Africa to be unstable.

Nowenuse:
Out of the so called 19 northern states. Hausa fulanis dominate only 6 (Katsina, Kano, Jigawa, Zamfara, Sokoto & Kebbi).
Kaduna, Gombe & Bauchi are like a 50/50 between Hausa fulanis and minority tribes. That leaves 10 dominated by minorities... How then can you people have more than 30% of Nigeria? If the South + Kwara are 50% of Nigeria?

Do the mathematics. Swahili is spoken by almost everybody in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda & Burundi and these countries combined are 120 million people!
Half (Northern) Uganda & The Eastern ¼ of Congo speaks Swahili and that is about 35 million people....
We are not even counting Comoros and the minority Swahili speakers in Malawi, Zambia and even Oman.

Swahili and Hausa have no business of comparison.... Swahili has been a trade language for hundreds of years along coastal East Africa where it evolved and spread into the hinterlands.
Hausa on the other hand has about half of it's speakers as native speakers.

Hausa-Fulani like to tell others and themselves comforting lies, they are afraid to face their demons of laziness, unproductive, intolerance,backwardness and illiteracy. The few enlighten and educated ones that has gotten to their present conditions through the backdoor of nepotism and quota system want to always continue the narrative that all is well when the reality is staring the face in the form of insecurities, poverty, Illiteracy, under age pregnancy, being the largest baby factory in the word etc. The reality is Nigeria would have been a better country without this group.

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[b]First of all its a well known fact that you lot were barbarians running about unclad, no better than bonobo gorillas and still would be if not for the europeans who saved you.[/b

]

The Benin Empire had contact with the Portuguese as far back as the 15th century when most Hausa State were still living like barbarian " Portuguese arrived in Benin, Nigeria, in the fifteenth century, to trade with the Benin empire when Hausa were still raided by the Songhai for slave(Kano became a tributary state of Songhai after its capture about 1513 by Muḥammad I Askia of the Songhai empire)

Also the fact that you lot claim education and still are so oblivious to the things going on around you makes you educated illiterates. If we are who you claim we are and you allow us to hold you back what does that make you?

Nigeria centralize system is what is actually holding the rest of Nigeria back. During the colonial era, the north was by far the poorest region in Nigeria, reason why it was joined together with the colony of Lagos and southern protectorate " The British treasury initially supported the landlocked Northern Nigeria Protectorate with grants, totalling £250,000 or more each year. Its revenue quickly increased, from[b] £4,424 in 1901 to £274,989 [/b]in 1910. The Southern Protectorate financed[b] itself from the outset, with revenue increasing from £361,815 to £1,933,235 over the same period[/b]"

Like i said you educated illiterates have been brainwashed into blaming the north for everything. You have leaders, senators ministers governors and presidents at various points and all they did is rob you blind. You lot have higher allocations and somehow today a lot of northern governors are performing better than yours. Instead of you to hold them accountable all you think about is the north like obsessed side chicks. Like i said, educated illiterates.

You must be insane to believe this garbage you typed above, Northerners are generally more corrupt and less innovative when given the opportunity to lead any state or society reasons why 87% of poor Nigeria reside in the north. They are always reactionary and daft of any critical thinking reasons why the core north is one of the most backward region not only in Nigeria but world over. If we are to very frank the core north doesn't deserve any allocation because they hardly bring anything to the table and they are not ready to improve on themselves.

Dupamecano:
This unrepentant obtuse im.becile summarizes all the reforms by muhammad salman into just publicly trading saudi aramco. LOL! What about the more progressive policies, the tech hubs being built and saudis investment in major tech companies in the world amongst other things? Just because on such step failed makes it an exercise in futility? what a clown!

The majority of gbagyis in abuja are muslim. Infact the state itself is named after a man called Abu (abubakar) who was fair and in hausa terms referred to as ja (red). Not that it matters what religion they follow. In the end, if we want it, we will take it for ourselves. Theres a reason why we moved the capital there.


Let me quote an excerpt from the kano chronicles for you about your kwararafa:

"The thirteenth Sarki was Kanajeji. His father's name was Yaji. His
mothier's naiime was Aunaka. He was a Sarki who engaged in many wars. He
hardly lived in Kano at all, but scoured the country round and conquered the
towns. He lived for some tinme near the rock of Gija. He sent to the Kworarafa
and asked why they did. not pay him tribute. Tliey gave him two hunidred slaves.
Then he returned to Kano and kept sending the Kworarafa horses while they
continued to send him slaves"

one of many such quotes about how impotent your people are. This is who you'll always be to us. We will crush you as we please.
But the numbers or demographics dont matter, in the end we built that state. We made it what it is and we will take it whether you like it or not and theres nothing you impotent ninnies can do about it.

Actually, Majority of Abuja land belongs to the Gbagi people of[b] Suleja Emirate[/b], the people are Gbagi but the emirate was under the Zaria emirate and during the Jihad of Usman Dan Fidoye, Zauzau was moved down to Suleja and present day Abuja, but the Gbagi in Abuja are a majority Christians, reasons why the only senator representing FCT has always being Christians.

I'm very conversant with north central very well and I can tell you that majority of people in this zone apart from Niger state and obviously Kwara and Kogi are Christians. The ethnic riots in the north has made these people to detest core-northerners. This also result in senseless killing of Hausa-Fulani (Muslim) on highway leading to Bauchi in Plateau states and road in southern Kaduna.

If Nigeria were to disintegration today, most of the areas inhabited by northern minorities will be reluctant to go with the core-north because of the history of intolerance of core north and the mutual suspicious both group have for one another.

Finally, hubris of people like you is doing more arm to the Hausa-Fulani than good, religion should never be the overriding factor to how you relate with your neighbors and people in most cases share similarity with you. Tribes in southern Kaduna, Kebbi, Plateau have a lot in common to the Hausa but religion has created too much hatred that in most cases lead people to go up in arm

Dupamecano:
LOL This clown doesnt know what the spectator index is

Shame on you.


What is so hard to believe about hausa speakers in Nigeria numbering over a 100 mil? Okay, what % of nigerians would you say speak hausa?

Henceforth, I'm not going to continue this stupid back and forth augment with you, you lack the capacity to engage in any meaningful debate.

Dupamecano:
LOL This clown doesnt know what the spectator index is

Shame on you.


What is so hard to believe about hausa speakers in Nigeria numbering over a 100 mil? Okay, what % of nigerians would you say speak hausa?

You are a fool. Spectator index is not a recognized institution for any serious population data, the only institution recognised the world over for such information is the Cia factbook

Dupamecano:
I have already quoted the spectator index as my source multiple times before.

Which stupid spectator index? I want a world-renowned organization slowpoke

Dupamecano:
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LOL Ethnologue is using outdated cia factbook figures and admitted to that in their website. Again, there are more than 60 million ethnic hausas (first language speakers). This is a bare fact. I dont know why you are hell bent on arguing against this. Then you add in the second language speakers and a modest estimate will show that 50 percent of nigerians speak hausa. Thats 100 million in Nigeria alone.

Bross brink out your source, this is not "mai shai joint" where you can tell all the lies in this world.
I want to see your source

Kemz77:
Ibadan

This is not Ibadan but Abeokuta

Dupamecano:
Lol You're the one disgracing yourself with your outdated figures. There are over 63 million ethnic hausas let alone hausa speakers. Hausa is not only the most spoken indigenous african language but the 11th most spoken language in the world according to the spectator index. Like i said, there are over 100 million hausa speakers in Nigeria alone.

Mandarin: 1090
English: 983
Hindustani: 544
Spanish: 527
Arabic: 422
Malay: 281
Russia: 267
Bengali: 261
Portuguese: 229
French: 229
Hausa: 150
Punjabi: 148
German: 129
Japanese: 129
Persian: 121
Swahili: 107
Telugu: 92

You must be high on "codeine"


Hausa is the Chadic language with the largest number of speakers, spoken as a first language by some 44 million people, and as a second language by another 20 million. The total number of Hausa speakers is estimated at 63 million, according to Ethnologue. Wikipedia

Dupamecano:
LMAO Again stop moving goalposts, many people live in a place with higher HDIs than hausaland but the argument is about the prominence and relevance of the speakers. If you are listing the greatest people, civilization, language in africa, only ethiopia can compare and ethiopians are our distant cousins.

How deluded can you be.
To begin with, the Hausa are not even the most prominent civilization to come out of what is now called Nigeria. There are better civilization from the south, such as the Oyo empire and the Benin empire, empires renowned for craft and civilization.

Secondly, the Hausa or Sokoto caliphate is not even the most renowned civilization in sahellian, where Songhai empire of Mali dominated for years. The Sokoto caliphate was the youngest empire in Nigeria and it only lasted for 99 years.

Dupamecano:
LOL What a dunce!

Hausa is projected by the spectator index to have 150 million speakers while swahili has 107. You think yoruba and oromo have more speakers than hausa? LMAO Simple math, half of nigeria speaks hausa as a first or second language thats 100 mill, then all of niger plus countries like sudan ghana etc that all have hausa speakers. You think these other languages even begin to compare. Yoruba? Who are those? You really are an slowpoke! LMAO!

You just ignorantly blabbing my friend, there is no single data to support your postulation. All studies shows that Swahili is the most widely spoken language in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Hausa is not spoken by 50% of Nigerians, there are northern minorities that don't speak Hausa as either first, second or third language. Hausa is only widely spoken in Niger republic out of the other sahelian country in West Africa.

Here is the list of languages spoken by Nigeria neighbors in the north
Chad: Chadian arabic is the lingual franca
Cameroon: Fufulde is only spoken by minorities in the north of the country (they account for less than 20%of the country population)
Benin: Fon and Yoruba are the most widely spoken
Niger: Hausa is only spoken by 54% of the population (about 14m people)

other non bordering Sahellian nation like Mali, Burkina Faso, Central Africa republic etc hardly understand or speak any Hausa language.

So, how would Hausa speaker exceed that of Swahili?

Ohh yeah KSA, UAE, Qatar, Jordan etch are self destructing. I wonder why you lot cant stay away form these countries. If theres anything constant in this life its change. 200 years ago if anyone stipulated that the ottoman influence will be restricted to turkey and the turks be as feeble as they are now no one would agree.

KSA, UAE and Qatar all very small population compared to their hydrocarbon wealth, they are rich not because of any sweeping reform or technological breakthrough but because they were lucky to be sitting on huge hydrocarbon deposit. For example, KSA produces about 11m barrel of crude oil and million of gas per day for a population of just 34m people, if Saudi was a secular state with strong institution it would have been much richer than it is now. Jordan is a typical poor middle income nation that still depend hugely on the mining industry, it is not a stellar example of Muslim excellence because their isn't any my friend.

MetaPhysical:
That power belongs with Southerners. I have been raising hell here in Nairaland over many months and on different threads and highlighting the need to pick candidates in NC to fill Northern spots in political arrangements.

If a Southerner will be President we will pick a NC candidate...and precisely one with tribal tribe, not someone like Saraki, IBB and many others who are confused about their identity.

We will put fulani North on a 100yr political fallow.

The core north can't be sideline and it will not do anyone any good to sideline them but we must let them know that they can't sideline or assume supremacy over anyone one in Nigeria. What we need to do is to revisit the "military constitution of Nigeria" which has made it impossible for Nigeria to grow and actualized her potential.

Dupamecano:
Lol, you don't understand anything about islam or the concept of apostasy, you don't understand anything really. At least we didnt adopt a religion from a people who are responsible for so many atrocities against us, who dehumanized our people and then pretended to be our saviours. Shame on you, your ancestors would be disgusted by your weakness.

Both of you are the same coin of the opposite side. You accept Islam a monotheist religion of the middle east while he accepts Christianity, another monotheist religion of the middle east.

fk002:
But yet Muslims have been ruling kaduna for ages Patrick Yakowa was a first and last mistake and he was terminated.

I have so many Northern Christians friends but people like you are filled with hatred with this your comments I must say you guys deserve the marginalization from El Rufai and his Muslim deputy...

Look at the bolded, how would people you hold is such a manner ever show you, love?

It is hypocritical of you to expect love from a people you perceive in such a manner. If we don't do away with all this religious hatred and disdain for one another our country will never work

fk002:
Okay let's see how you will carve out the other northern Christians.

Is not by making mouth online we are watching

In the event that Nigeria disintegrates you can't force a reticent partner to persist with you, you will have to convince them to remain in the same country with you.