Grgton:
seriouslyi don't know why people like quoting to type nonsense. Suleja is even far from Abuja.

Check the map Suleja is actually at the boundary line of Abuja. Zuma rock is the boundary between Niger state and Abuja. Places like Zuba and mandala are traditionally Suleja.

Agboriotejoye:

Nope. To all intents and purposes, they are in Ogun state. Those places are different from Lagos.

What is the difference between these areas and say Ojodu Begger when they are at a trackable distance and even channels Tv has one of the Lagos Office there?

Agboriotejoye:


In ur op, you added bwari, karu, gwagwalada to Abuja. Why didn't you just refer to all those places as fct. I'm simply following your definition.
Do you know where bwari and kuje are? When people say Abuja, it is loosely used to refer to the fct as a whole. Nobody in bwari will say I'm in bwari but not in Abuja. But nobody will say I'm in Abuja whereas he's in suleja. Suleja is to all intents and purposes different from Abuja. Quote me anywhere. I'm telling you dis as someone who moves round those areas well. It's just like Lagos. Someone in Ikeja and another in ketu are in Lagos. But nobody will be in Mowe and say he's in Lagos.

Like I told you, if you decide to come up with ur own definition to add suleja to Abuja, it's ur wahala. But when Abuja/FCT was being created, suleja was not part of it.

What about someone in Isheri Opic and Arepo can such an individual says he is in Lagos?

Agboriotejoye:

Dude you're the ignorant soul. Gwagwalada and bwari are part and parcel of Abuja. No one can even remove them. I don't even know why you did cause it makes no sense to. Your problem is you've not been to those places or studied them. You just sat down with Google and started doing what fits your narrative.

Whenever you go to suleja. Shout "hurrah!! I'm in Abuja" and see if you'll not be taken to the nearest hospital.

People in Suleja actually believe they are in Abuja. Taking a bus to the city centre, no one says he is going to Abuja, they will only tell you that they are going to Begger, Wuse, Kubwa express, AYA etc.

Agboriotejoye:

Ok. I'll leave it as it is then. I know this issue was trashed when amosun became governor then and ordered all those living in akute, Arepo, agbara etc to pay tax to Ogun state because he said they're not part of Lagos. So, I'll go with the flow of greater Lagos under the assumption that you guys know what you're saying.



Well, the criteria for the city and urban areas are different. He can't lump them together because he wants to prove that Kano, Kaduna and Abuja are bigger than southern cities. I'm sure most of those areas he's referring to as Kano metropolis and Kaduna metropolis will be glorified villages. We all know how undeveloped the north is. Like I've already told him, Suleja is totally distinct from Abuja. The only thing they share is the workers who live there so I don't see how you'll merge suleja with Abuja. If so you can simply extend it to dikko as well.

I will disagree with you here. Suleja is just like a satellite town to Abuja. There is no much difference between Kubwa, Kuje, Gwagwalada and Suleja. In fact, Suleja is better than Gwagwalada and Abaji owing to her closeness to Abuja.

If you are using development to judge where is Abuja then you will have to limit Abuja to the Maitama, Wuse, Gariki, Asokoro, central area, Gwarinpa and Katampe. Since, places like Gwagwalada, Kuje, Bwari, Tunga maje, kubwa etc don't have all these infrastructures.

Agboriotejoye:

I don't think so.

Okay bro, we all learn everyday.

Agboriotejoye:

God bless you. You know Minna truly.

I'm a graduate of FUT Minna. Almost six years in the town due to ASU strike. I know Minna wella

Upworkwriter007:

I spent over 10 years in IB, i went to a part of IB i've never been to last week, and its about 1hour away from ISEYIN, the place is highly populated, hold up sef....U couldn't have gone round IB like that, just when you thought you've seen it all, someone will tell you of one location like that....

See, when I visit a town for work I actually try to go around as much as possible and I normally spend between 9 months to 2 years on some of the project. Our office is in Abuja but when we get job outside the state, I normally go to such state to spend between 2 to 3 months at a stretch. When you have a project vehicle at your disposal their is nowhere you can't go.

LegendHer0:

The bolded is a lie bro. You don't know Ibadan.

Most of you always use the Molete- Bode - Bere stretch to categorize Ibadan coz that is where all those dusty roofs are concentrated.

I just always laugh online because you don't even know the actual urbanized Ibadan. We have Aerodome GRA, Samonda, Alalubosa GRA, Jericho GRA, New and old Bodija GRA, Agodi GRA, Ikolaba GRA, Bashorun Estate, Kolapo Ishola GRA, Carlton Gate, Alao-Akala Estate.

See moving down to even Oluyole Estate side down to those Ajila and the new site of Elebu etc alone no be child play. Mind you, I don't even know much of Ibadan coz I left properly since 2008.

Check this thread about Ibadan by someone:
https://www.nairaland.com/3941777/ibadan-pictures-development-fastest-growing/1

I used to have this mindset until I visited Ibadan. Some estate in Ibadan are so fine and serene that you will think you are in Maitama. Akure and Ibadan are the two city I'm planning to move to whenever I decide to move than south but Ibadan due to her closeness to Lagos and the rail link is obviously my first choice.

Agboriotejoye:

What do you mean by infrastructure?

such as water works, roads, bridges and canals. Kano is actually a bit better in this regard than Ibadan.

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Nobody considers suleja to be Abuja. All the taxes being collected in suleja goes to Niger state govt. Perception is not reality. Suleja is a local govt on its own under Niger state

Suleja was actually the city of government, the first NTA in Abuja was built in Suleja, the first presidential lodge was built in Suleja and 70% of current Abuja land belongs to the Suleja Emirate.

Most of the infrastructure in Suleja like roads, water work were actually done by the state government because it has a special status.

Nowenuse:


Kano does not have exclusive domination of the north. Kaduna can give Kano a run for it's money in almost every aspect.

Ibadan is doing better than Kano in Human development index definitely because Hausa fulani people are largely illiterate. Nothing else.



This is very very false.
The modern parts of Ibadan can never be bigger than the modern parts of Kano.

Use Google maps right now to view Ibadan and Kano closely, then come back and repeat this statement.

80% of the houses and suburbs in Ibadan look very very brown and dusty from above! And very congested too!

I am a civil engineer and I have actually visited both city to work on building project. I used to have this believe until I actually visit Ibadan to handle a building project. During the course of the project, I actually traveled around and I was amazed by the level of development of the city.

The edge the south normally has over the north is presence of more middle class. These middle class are the people responsible for most of these modern districts in the south, reasons why southern states capital normally have more modern districts than their northern counterpart. For example, a city like Minna has wonderful road, canal and drainage in the city but the built up areas are abysmally poor compare to a city like Awka that may not such infrastructure. Minna infrastructure were largely built by the Babangida gov't but due to the level of poverty of inhabitant the city is not so good.

Upworkwriter007:


I sabi abj die...but u dont know ibadan....i know all this places you mentioned, its not big bro.....

I have done my than three different projects in Ibadan.

LegendHer0:

Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to point out about Kano. If you compare most socio-economic metrics of Ibadan and Kano, Ibadan will beat Kano hands down.

Ibadan beat Kano in the following area.
1. Industries
2. Institution
3. Residential
4. City planning.

Kano is actually a bit better in infrastructure though.

Upworkwriter007:
mararaba is in nassarawa.....suleja is in niger state.....If Kuje to Nyaya is far, then you need to check the urban areas of ib out...

Bro, I be Abuja boy o.
Though Suleja is politically part of Niger state 80% of her inhabitants are a civil servant of or workers that are earning their living in Abuja, ditto Mararaba.

From Suleja, through Mandala, Zuba, Kubwa experess way all the way down to AYA, to Abacha barack, down to Marabba and even Masaka are all consider to be Abuja.

Upworkwriter007:
Lagos does not have a city, its made up of towns. op lagos is not a city. ....By the way this stuff is trash....for abuja to make it to number one......Small abuja, airport road to nyanya Abuja don finish.

He is actually right about Abuja. Abuja municipal actual include the city centre, Kuje, Kubwa, Suleja axis, Gwagalada, Mararaba etc. But ghe actual city center is actually small.

LegendHer0:


You shouldn't compare Ibadan to Kano especially after the current system of government which took real power away from the regions.

Kano is like the Lagos of the North. Infrastructure, business, etc. will be more concentrated in Kano going by normal rule of thumb because Kano is the major meeting point of the North.

Ibadan is still doing good when you compare some certain socio-economic metrics with that of Kano.

Bro, believe me, Ibadan is better than Kano, I have been to both city and I can tell. The modern part of Kano is much smaller than that of Ibadan.

Apart from the oil-producing states and Lagos, Kano earn the highest revenue from the federation account due to her perceived population and the number of local government, so it should more be developed as it is also easier to develop infrastructure like road in the north-west than south-west due to rainfall and soil condition.

NGpatriot:



Mambila is actually 40 years old on the drawing board.

Okay

TheTourist:
A LOAN FOR NORTHERN NIGERIA SPONSORED BY THE CHINESE. SIMPLY PUT!

Go through the details, my friend, majority of the capital project are situated in the south and what you people like to called middle belt.

The mabila power project will supply electricity to the power grid which will serve the whole nation and in fact, it was initiated by Jonathan gov't.

AmTruth:
My utmost concern is that, let those lending this money and we Nigerians ensure that the monies are judiciously put to use as ascribe to.
I see nothing wrong in borrowing for development.

God bless Nigeria!!!

Be rest assured, the Chinese don't just give you money, they handle the construction and supply of this infrastructure. The only money that can be stolen are those from the world and the Islamic bank.

raker300:
only “vocational center” in enugu and nothing else.

We all know these monies won’t be used for any of these!!

These are just payouts for Buhari and his friends.

Too bad the younger generation would be subjected to pay these debts they know nothing of

I may disagree with the Igbos on my topic here in this platform but the truth must be said, this is bad for national cohesion. No serious project in this loan will be sited in the east. Buhari has taken nepotism to the next level.

What I fail to understand is the same east wants another northerner in 2023 when they can get it themself or have a liberal southern president like Obasanjo who carries everyone along.

Priority infrastructure project should be Enugu-Lagos rail, through Enugu-Anambra-Delta-Edo-Ondo-Ogun-Ibadan-Lagos

Port Harcourt -Kano rail, through PH- Abia-Enugu-Benue-Kogi-Abuja-Kaduna-Kano

Lagos -Kano: Lagos-Ogun-Oyo-Kwara-Niger-Abuja-kaduna-Kano

Lagos-Calabar: Lagos-Ogun-Ondo- Delta-Bayelsa-Rivers-Akwa Ibom-Cross Rivers.

These are the most important railway route in Nigeria.

Maduawuchukwu:


Lol. Who will break Nigeria if the North rules again? Is it the West that is consequential only because of Lagos which gets its wealth from Nigeria? Can the West attempt any stupid move without backing from other Southern regions? Why didn't the West secede when Abacha was dealing with and oppressing her? Mr man stop boasting what you cannot do. Go and sleep

Lagos and Ogun alone control 80% of all Nigeria none oil economy. Apart from Niger deltas, the Yorubas are the second group that controls the money and economy of this great country.

PicLtd:


We wish you goodluck, but like I said earlier your hands are tied in Nigeria. SS (with a huge Igboid population) has fresh negative memories about you. The north is always powerhungry and doesn't owe you anything like ACF and co. have told you.

With all these we all know where you are destined to end after the 2023 polls. Daydream as much as you want, but facts remain facts.

Salam!

To begin with, the ACF doesn't speak for the north, religious leaders and traditional institutions are the groups that can influence the voting pattern and political orientation of the north. It will be hard to impossible for the north I do another 8years because they are not dumb, they know the antecedent of secessionist people of the east. Easterners want to either have the presidency without working for it or another northern president that will make the rest of Nigeria to gang up and split/balkanised Nigeria so that they can have their ways with the oil wealth of the minority. None of the two scenarios will play out, the power that knows that another 8years of the northern presidency will most likely disintegrate Nigeria and also that the Igbos are a hateful lot that when given power will do worst to them than any other group in Nigeria.

The Yoruba destiny is in their hands, we are a major stakeholder in the project called Nigeria, we will always negotiate power with other major stakeholders in the north and the south but since the children of hate have rendered themselves to be an inconsequential minority, we will extend such honours to the SS. We'll always demand for the top job when it is the turn of the south and if we play our game well, the inconsequential 5% people of potopoto republic will not stop us.

PicLtd:


Oga stop pouring Corona-infested saliva everywhere. You are neonate in election victory, you only started winning national elections in 2015 just yesterday, so stop dressing yourself in borrowed garment by ascribing political intelligence to yourselves.

The odds are stacked against you, that's why your Yoruba brother opened the thread to cry for southern unity.

Take the L and run along.

That is your problem!
Yoruba will never allow the children of hate to blackmail them in pursuing what is their right. We will present our candidate, rally round and build bridges to our friend in the north and SS. We know the children of hate number is inconsequential so we wouldn't bother you guys.

mrvitalis:

Wait ooh ...u Yoruba's expect Igbo's n the rest of the south to support Yoruba presidency ? ...for what exactly
Is it your turn ? No
Have u merited the support? no
Have u worked in the interest of south? no

Igbo's are fool of hate right ,yet they have supported every region in Nigeria

Igbos only supported their Fulani masters in PDP.

The presidency is rotated between the south and the north. When it comes into any of these zones the three geopolitical zones in the Zone can all vie for it, reasons why the northwest has produced all the democratically elected president from the north.

The southwest will be putting forward the first pro-Yoruba candidate that has a good chance of winning, we will not let the opportunity slip my friend. Nigeria is a winner takes all country, you have to position yourself as long as Nigeria remains one.

CSTR2:

We do not have monopoly?

Don't worry, we will see how you are going to pry those votes that osibanjo could not get in 2019.

Jolly just come.

Okay, we shall see.

mrvitalis:

Don't mind them creating threads on southern unity ...they think they are smart ....they did it alone in 2015 ...took all the juicy post now they remember southern unity

No Yoruba man is begging for southern unity, we know that the south is not a monolithic group and the Igbos were born to hate on others.

But get this straight into your thick skull, from 2023, we'll start treating you people like our brothers in the north. The era for political correctness is over and if you must live in our land you must support our political position.

PicLtd:


If you could, Falae, Awo would have been president when they contested severally and failed.
You don't have the yam or the knife.

Peace!

Wait and see.
We know that you guys are keyboard warrior, you will decide the region that will get the nomination in APC and who will win the election from your bedroom, we know na

CSTR2:

Participate all your want, but you are not getting southern votes.

You don't have any monopoly over any southern votes. In fact, in the greater scheme of things you are a nonentity.

PicLtd:


And then osibande wins as almajiris will abandon a Northerner for a 'kuffar' pastor?
Enjoy your daydreaming as long it rocks your 'goat'.

Peace!

That is your problem!
Let the almajiri decides, then you will know that Ondo, Oyo, Ogun, Kwara and Lagos can also produce votes in million like the KKK states.

mrvitalis:

Now who is attaching themselves to south south ? Allow them decide na

Hope you know you are not their spokesman?
Just get this at the back of your mind the presidency is coming down south. The Igbos can decide to continue their slavery to the Fulani (Atiku) we don't care, we will continue to demand what is our right in this country because we are a first-class citizen.

Iceberg3:
Whatever bulshyttt!!!!

Presidency only stays in the north if the SW don't support the SE or SS. If the SW west wanna play smart on the SE/SS, the north has it, period!

We are not supporting the Igbo and stop this attache by force with the SS.

The presidency is coming down south and the Yorubas will gladly participate in the pole.