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Nowenuse:
Don't mind that ignoramus of gargantuan proportions called Dupamecano.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya

Kenyan GDP above (with citation reference from the world economic Outlook database) is estimated at $100 billion, yet the nincompoop is comparing Northern Nigeria with Kenya.

Their GDP per capital (nominal) is $2,010. . A country with over 80% literacy rate being compared with the core-north with 20% literacy rate.

Nairobi is one of the most powerful cities in Africa which can only be surpassed by the likes of Lagos.

Sometimes when you argue with fools, they drag you down to their level.

Do you know that the mugu was bragging about a PhD in Hausa, meanwhile do you know that Swahili as the official language of the EAC (a union of 5 countries with 150 million people) is now used to teach advanced science?

You can be taught advanced Chemistry, Physics and Biology at tertiary levels in Swahili language.

Dupamecano, what is Atom, Molecule, Photosynthesis or Chemical reaction in Hausa language? Swahili has words for these things. Mumu.

I have just been laughing reading through all his lies. I don't blame them too much since most of them don't travel and have been brainwashed since birth to believe that the north is eldorado.

The core north will be a serious backwater if Nigeria disintegrates not because of crude oil alone but because the fertile and arable land of central tribes, their human capital will not go with them.

Dupamecano:
LMAO! TY danjuma is a shameless thief, he didnt work for anything like indimi or mangal. And since when did taraba turn into el dorado? When does taraba even begin to compare with the worst north western state? Did i bring ganduje into this? why is this imbeci/le putting words into my mouth? we will deal with what plagues us how we please, we dont need advice from inferior beings no better than apes. Go and mind your business.

What did indimi or mangal work for? Are you okay at all?

Mangal was a crude illitrate that got into smuggling of petroleum product across the northern state, he was aided due to his closeness to Yaradua.

At a point, Mangal was the biggest smuggler of rice across the northern borders, most of you think we are all babies here or what?

Dupamecano:
LMAO Small fry go and take it up with the spectator index (who excel at statistics and estimation BTW) not me. Even at 120 million hausa speakers outnumber swahili speakers and its not even close so the statement still stands. You think because it is spoken across some banana republics with little population they compare to our mighty language? LOL, Face it, We are infallible!

Swahili speakers live in better countries and with better standard of living and human development than Hausas speakers of Northern Nigeria.

Don't compare Tanzania, Kenya to northern Nigeria or Niger my friend.

Khaleell001:
Did you read how they lead their lives before the coming of Uthmān Dan Fodio reforming their way of life.
And I still insist it was a better deal they would have done anything to bargain for even till this day.

You folks always claiming superior knowledge of everything when it comes to the north, whereas you are nothing more than a rabble rouser with no known knowledge whatsoever you keep insisting on knowing hot airs and foolishly keep peddling half truths and no truths for your ignorant zombies who are always willing to like your quotes at a go.

Shaykh Uthmān Dan Fodio (may Allāh have mercy on him) was indeed an enigma in West Africa that even you fore fathers will do anything to re enact his sweeping reforms he carried out in the northern sub region till date.

And his religious teachings and legacies are still there for all to see and still remain unmatched by the greatest of your fore fathers.

If I may ask what are the reforms?
Can you list the reform he enacted in the north that other sahellian region were envy of?

Dupamecano:
Stop spreading lies. The phrase hausa christian is an oxymoron. These imposters do not speak or represent what we stand for. Fodio only finished what hausa kings like yaji and rumfa started. Hausas still are and remain prosperous. The two richest men in the north are hausas. Most prominent business men including two past presidents are of hausa descent. The most spoken indigenous african language is hausa. The largest ethnicity in the continent is hausa. See the holy union between hausas, fulanis and other muslim northern ethnicities has made the hausas infallible. You will die of jealousy and hatred.

Hausa is not the most widely spoken African language.
1 SWAHILI. Swahili is the most spoken language in Africa, with over 100 million speakers. ...
2 AMHARIC. ...
3 YORUBA. ...
4 OROMO. ...
5 HAUSA. ...
6 IGBO. ...
7 ZULU. ...

Enculer2:
So Dan Fodio conquered Yorubas and Hausa?
This is the reason some people from South East have issues.

The Dan Fodio curse is with them.

Dan Fodio never conquered the Yoruba, if you are in doubt pick a history book.

Kfed4ril:
Hate will kill you, simple
He stated a major fact instead of countering his fact you’re insulting him and his tribe.
Guy Lagos igr is about N370b yearly while Ebonyi is about N20bn yearly by this alone Lagos should be miles and million miles ahead of Ebonyi in dev, but you will agree with me that isn’t the case.
With the money Lagos is making no state in Nigeria should bear Lagos in dev. But reverse is the case.

What is the population of Lagos and explain how you want $1 billion dollars to turn the city to paradise whe similar Aftican cities much budget are not in better conditions

mular:
Abuja has the best road network in Nigeria and the most planed city in Nigeria,

Yes...because a bulk of Nigeria budget is being spent in the city.

Evercurious:
Pls check again.you are so wrong..

In what way?

IJOBA2:
SO YOU ARE TRYING TO EQUATE AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING TO PROPHETS OF GOD

What made them prophet of God?
Because their exploits were written in a middle eastern religious book?

y3mi:
not just that, according to the same books the op is quotting from, he is said to have operated and controlled the largest slave trade economy in West Africa, he and his fulani jihad hordes raped lots of natives Hausa women, destroyed and sacked Hansa kingdoms, did many crime against humanity all in the name of an Arab religion justified on jihad against the same so called infidels pagans that accommodated them. This option is picking the sweet part of this fulani terrorist to paint him out as a saint, while ignoring the evil thing done by him. Islamists just love to lie. They are fond of twisting the truth ehn

The Fulanis were only raiding the pagan tribe of north central and north east for slave.

No one is trying to paint him positive but he must be judged according to the practise and norms of the people at his time.

BlackfireX:
Yoruba is a derogative term from a Northerner...


Are you alright?

You should ask yourself that not me.

We the Yoruba speakers of southwest and north central are Yorubas if you don't like it you can go and jump into the lagoon

BlackfireX:
I think ondo people look like igbo people structurally...

The jaw, stature, pose and charisma.

We are Yorubas and proud one at that.

NimrodEndOfDays:
all states in Nigeria are dead. with useless and overhyped ignorant idiotic governors who steal and embezzle the future of their kids and unborn children. if Abuja Lago and PortHarcourt cannot match any of the states in South Africa in terms of development then we are not better than togo or benin. Nigeria doesnt have any state with high standard of living. how many coutries do you have people trekking long distances and being stressed the hell out just to go to work? Nigeri is just one big shithole

This is very wrong believe that Nigeria is some rich country only dwafted by her corrupt leaders.

Nigeria is a very poor country with majority of her citizen very lazy an unproductive, you will cry when you convert most of revenus and allocation of theses states into dollars when you compare such to the population and their responsibilities.

Nigeira is a mess because we have citizens that will rather wail, give birth to children that we can't take care of, pray all day and believe in different superstitions. Rather than developed and worked hard to have a prosperous country

hakeem4:
The only state that can be compared with Lagos is only kano state. And kano isn’t even close to Lagos is terms of infrastructure etc

What is the basis of such comparison?
State like Ondo, Ogun, Oyo, Anambra, Rivers and Delta are better than Kano in many areas

Blue3k2:
There's no reason pity them or cry more than the bereaved like your doing. If they want to make changes do so. Lol you have a million excuses for the region Its pathetic. It's either they tackle their issues or live with it. Keep pretending the fulani are their issue instead of their own actions. You sympathize with weaknesses afterall.

I don't know why southerners with close to zero knowledge about core north demography always like to romanticize the Hausa and dehumanised the Fulani when both group are one and the same. An average Hausa from the north west will die protecting the interest of the Fulani. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing but that is how they want to live.

Blue3k2:
Wow you have really hard time with nuance points. I said people joined his cause because the government was also oppressive. Saying Dan Fodio was wicked doesn't make the other kings saints. You're trying make out victims when they're not.

I compared dan Fodio to Mohammed and Genghis Khan. Saying he's barbaric is trite since every conqueror is. You dont overthrow people without force. How do t hink empires expand.

It was a case of a palace coup since most of Hausa city state are volatile to begin with. All that is history now since the Hausa and Fulani are brother that loves to live together in peace.

[quote author=DarkShades post=86868921][/quote]What about those southerners that were born in the North?

A school like Fut Minna is one of the best school in Nigeria and they have a large population of southerners doing very well, in my set 90% of the first-class students in engineering we're from the south and Kogi-Kwara (Yorubas)

Powersurge:
Receive sense! Women are not allowed for such things in that religion.

No matter how bad a Moslim leader is, an average Moslim will never go against his fellow Moslim in favour of a non Moslim with better portfolio.

Those countries you mentioned are majority Muslim country. In the history of activism, how many Muslim can you point to? Use Nigeria as an example. Apart from Western NIgeria Moslims who are way ahead of their counterparts in other places.

If it was a non Muslim who is currently the president of Nigeria, you would have seen how the north would have put it on their heads like wild fire.

But you can see how they are talking from both sides of their mouths. Hypocrites!!!

It is more cultural than religious. Northern women are literally sidelined in everything that has to do with activism, politics or decision making. This woman is an anomaly because she is obviously a settler from the south (Auchi in Edo state)

Arrewa:
6yrs ago...

You gats enter Gombe again and see what good leadership is capable of doing

I don't have any problem with the north, as a matter of fact, I have Niger state indigene certificate being my birthplace but I'll not allow you to continue to whitewash lies all in the name to maintaining the status quo that has rendered majority of Nigerians poor of which majority are from the north.

Arrewa:
you're just an igbo man standing tall for your people... I understand

Peace!

. '
''Ina ji ku maar janmere ha idonka?
Ni mutumin Yarabawa ne maigirman kai

Arrewa:
before this year runs out... I will tour 3 states in the south south... I'm a traveler who just travel for fun...

I travel for fun and for exposure...

I travel to study every state and their cultures and traditions...

Whenever I travel to any state I visit their cultural site and study their development...

South east is nothing to write home about just that the people are naturally hustlers and industrious...

But for development... GOMBE beat all south eastern states...

The way you talk about this Gombe made me to wonder if not the same Gombe I visited 6 years ago, abi na another Gombe?

Arrewa:
Anambra state... In Anambra I have been to Onitsha, obosi, awka, okpoko, abagana, nkpor and adaziani... These are places I have been to in just Anambra state... I have igbo friends in all these places i mentioned...

I have been to Enugu state... 9th mile, orji river, emene and I have flexed Enugu wella...

Same goes to imo and abia... So I know the east very well... Majority of the mallam I meet there are Niger migrants... The only places I meet Hausafulanis is in the barrack 82div Enugu and 302 military cantonment onitsha...so I know what I saying...

I'm terms of development... The east is still backward... I have seen alot of beggars in the east too and lot of youths pushing wheelbarrows, selling gala and pure water...

My friend, I may disagree with the Igbos in a lot things but their region though smaller is actually more developed than the north.
In my line of work I have visited places like, Onitsha, Umudioka, Ihala, Awka, Igbariam etc all in Anmabra state. when you see the road, the type of buildings and general otherness in these areas compared to places that I have visited in the north you will be marveled.

Enugu and Imo are good states compared to their counterpart in the north. You may have a case for Abia state because that state has serious infrastructure challenges.

Stop fooling yourself, most menial job in the east are even done by northerners, they have settlement in a place called 'Gariki' in Enugu, I have gone there to look for 'man waka' (concrete caster) when we build one house like that at 'Amurri Nkanu west' in Enugu in 2015, I was surprised to meet so many Hausa-Fulani in Enugu, I interacted with them because I speak and understand Hausa fluently. Many of them told me their state of Origin and many were Kanawa, so don't be delusional to assert that only service men are the only Hausa-Fulani in the east. Go to material market in Onitsha and you will see Hausa-Fulani doing most of the lifting and barrow pushing in that axis.

Arrewa:
this is just your opinion....

You are free to say anything!! But the fact is that jigawa is more developed than Ogun, Ibadan, Oyo and Osun put together!! I didn't even mention kano... So now Mr man you can say whatever you want to say... Keep deceiving your people instead of waking up against their selfish leaders

Where have you been outside the core north, let us start from there?

Arrewa:
there are many books authored by Hausafulanis...

But due to lack of exposure, you don't know any of them... You only read books authored by your Yoruba brothers...

Now let me give names of few writers you just have to go and read their books that's if the hatred you have for Hausafulani will allow you do so...

Ismail Bala, yusuf Adamu,Rezinat Muhammad,E.E Sule, Audi T Giwa these are just few out of many writers!!

Now back to our business...

The Yaribaa land is backward and need intervention... You have highest number of professors in Nigeria, but your region remain the dirtiest and most backward... Yet you claim to be the most educated people in Nigeria with nothing to show for it...

Your people are here in the north selling agbor and doing all sort of ill cultured hustle to survive

I was very very disappointed when i visited south west...

Ekiti, Ibadan, Osun and Ogun need serious attention! If Nigeria divide today, South Sudan will be heaven compare to Oduduwa republic!

See how you are comfortably calling the north back as if you're living in Dubai...people sef

You see my friend, an average southwestern actually live like a king compared to an average northerner in all area, be it standard of living, exposure, tolerance for other people view, taking responsibility etc. Even here in the north, Yorubas and other southerners dominate the organized private sectors, most banks, telecommunications and other formal private business are well represented by Yorubas and other southerners.

Coming to which region is more developed.
I will be frank with you, southeastern rural areas have more modern buildings than any region in Nigeria, they may not have the infrastructure of the west or the north but their rural areas are more developed than those in the north and more modern than those in the west.

A state like Ondo will be like a paradise to most northerners that actually visit her. It has more developed local govt across the board compared to her counterpart in the north-west.
Ondo, Ogun and Oyo are better than Kano, Kaduna, Katsina, Kebbi, Jigawa in all areas of measurement of development.

Arrewa:
then they're probably lying to you... They fear that you might report them to immigration officers...

We have them here in the north too... They speak Hausa and are generally Muslims...

We the real Hausafulanis can easily identify cos of the version of the Hausa they speak and how they generally behave and dress... But you guys can't identify them... You just call them abboki, mallam, ndi ugwu

Oga you are a big liar!

95% of labourers, menial workers, Okada riders are from the core north. "kar kayi tunanin bamu san arewa ba"

You see, poorly informed fellow like you is why the north will remain very poor for years to come. Some of us know the north very well and knows are social and economic structures. One of the major cause of poverty in the north is the huge lack of skilful manpower from those needed in the formal and informal sector of the economy, this result from a lack of education and the general disdain for education by the general multitude.

A society where the feudal few are rich while the majority lives in absolute poverty can never advance. The feeding bottle of the tax and oil revenue will soon be cut then we will know-how you will continue to do you brain somersault.

rummmy:
Fulani ,ask Emir of Ilorin?

Even, the Emir of Ilorin can't speak Fulfude lol

Yoruba is even more widely spoken in Illorin than Lagos.

Techdra:
Hehehe. This post just summarizes your agitation. Very very confused set of people. Anyways, when you all are ready to speak with one voice, I'll listen not wasting my time. Maybe your elder brothers on this forum can educate you better.

Ikeweres are Igbos to me. I served in Ph and I can hardly differentiate between the Igbos and Ikwere it is just odd that they harbour too much hatred and suspicion to their Igbo brothers.

I used to have one carpenter called 'Ikechukwu' I was surprised when he started talking negatively about Igbos when I taught all along that he was Igbo.

ChiSomtoChi:
Says a non-Igbo speaking person from the ND trying to exhibit "land grab" for the Igbo-speaking people in ND(Ikwerres,Aniomas, etches, Isobos etc) to join them. As far as I'm concerned, all Igbo-speaking tribes in the South South is BIAFRA! We are no longer forcing other non Igbos in the SS to join the struggle!

PS: NwaAsaba!

The Biafra war is a war to control the oil of the Niger Deltas, there is wouldn't be much difference in the diverse Biafra nation being proposed by the 'greedy' Igbos from Nigeria but this time around it will only give the greedy Igbo total control of the oil.

ChiSomtoChi:
The fraud "Niger Delta" came in 1966. The blessed BIAFARA kingdom was in existence since 16th century. Biafra kingdom was from the Quorra river( present day River Niger) to the Congos!

But delta was never part of old southeast , why is it in the Biafra map?

omohayek:
The same forces would still be at work even without a drop of oil, given the vast disparities in educational levels and industrialisation between the regions, not to speak of access to the sea.

Many Nigerians like to deceive themselves that the predominance of the SW is something new and owing to the oil boom years, but in truth, the overwhelming preponderance of economic activity in Nigeria has always been in the region around Lagos, and this was true even before there was a “Nigeria” to speak of. If anything, the original justification for extending British rule inland was supposed to secure the “crown jewel” of the Lagos protectorate. It’s no accident that Zik could only look on impotently as Awolowo introduced universal primary education in the Western Region, or that Ironsi was so quick to introduce a unitary government.

Even if the north were to miraculously overcome its educational deficits overnight, there is no chance that its elites would ever willingly forego access to SW tax revenues or free usage of the Lagos ports. The other side of the coin is that a powerful Yoruba secessionist movement would be guaranteed to arise in the face of any prospect of returning to a 1967 status quo under which the rest of the country lives a parasitical existence off the back of the SW alone.

The Yoruba are the biggest victim of centralized Nigeria. Yoruba land was a pacesetter before and during colonization, for example, I am from a town that got connected to the power grid as far back as 1955 when most now state capitals in the north doesn't have electricity but today, my town has been deserted for Lagos, Abuja and PH while taxes and crude oil money is used to fight senseless war and prop up unproductive regions in the north.

Nature is not always fair, you don't work hard, get an education and have a sizeable family to enjoy life while others don't care and bring nothing to the table not now come from behind to get quota for jobs and appointment when they haven't put in as much work.

No matter what the government at the central do, Nigeria is living a borrowed time, the Yoruba nationalist will rise and will take back Yoruba land for only Yoruba. I don't care about Niger Delta all money, I just want to live in a country with like-minded people where we can collectively fight for a good future.

wirinet:
I beg to differ. Nigeria's ethnic diversity and even configuration is similar to other West African countries, like Benin Republic, Togo and Ghana, and non of them have crude oil. Non of them have disintegrated.

I feel main reason some people are shouting force marriage, disintegration is that they feel, it is easier to get their hands on the crude, once there are less competition jostling for it. Imagine the whole of the crude being shared by the whole Nigeria now being shared by one forth. It will be free easy money. If crude was not discovered, I sure most Nigerian tribes would have formed closer bond, as production and trade requires good relationship with your neighbours. Trade always promote integration.

You always conflate clamour for restructuring with disintegration. Restructuring does not mean disintegration. Restructuring means different things to different people. I want a restructuring that will first reduce the number of states to reasonable levels, then restricts the powers and responsibilities of the central government to defence, monetary policy and foreign affairs. I want a complete restructuring of our justice system and revenue sharing system.

Others want a structured Nigeria with more states.

Nigeria is one of the most diverse countries on earth not only in Africa. Which west African country as diverse like Nigeria?

Ghana: Akan makes up over 60% of the country with the closet ethnic group coming at 16%. So there is an overwelmly single majority.

Most of these African countries have a relatively small population and a single majority with relatively religious homogeneity. Nigeria is a mismatch it is just like having German, English and French in the same country, it will never work.

The problem is in ideology, the way an Hausa-Fulani man wants to live is different from the way a Yoruba man or an Igbo wants to live. We are too different to coexist in peace in one country. The problem is not the oil per se but the ideology and general way of life.

We can't build a country when we all can't even agree on what we want, how we want to coexist in peace, how we should tolerate one another, how we should value education etc. If we can't agree on all these how do we build a country?