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0m0nnakoda:
Wordiness only leads to more confusion

First of all, try to understand before trying to prove you are smart

My point is that there is no Islamic sanction for Caliphates
Crucially

WHAT PROPORTION OF ISLAMIC STATES THROUGHOUT history have been under caliphates
You are arguing that the definition is.........

Hahaha, the definition of Caliph is pretty clear?
Really?

There is a definition??

It is in English? Presumably, its definition has not changed in 1400 years?

A dictionary entry is not the same as the definition.
Not every entry is a DEFINITION

You are putting a lot of energy into proving baseless assumptions.
Actually, Jihad IS part of Islam. Does that make 9/11 jihad?
What jihad means can vary with speaker

In your mind it is Jihad and not a good example in my mind it is terrorism and a very good example
But it appears in the Quran over 60 times
The issue is that CALIPHATE IS not codified ANYWHERE in Islamic literature in terms of functioning
There is no quote anywhere attributed to Mohamed about Caliphate
He did not have any son or named successor
Even Abacha was called Khalif when IBB was in power.

By the way, the Sokoto Caliphate was abolished over a hundred years ago by the British.

The Sokoto caliphate was obviously a case of using Islamic jihad to gain political power, such ideology was widespread among so many Sahelian regions from which the Fulanis go inspiration from, they just have to use the Quran and Hadith to legitimized their criminal ventures. This now leads to the question of why Islam can easily be used to pursue a political affair and vehicle to gaining political and personal power.

The event in the middle east, north Africa, India subcontinent and the Sahel region of Africa has pointed to a similar pattern where Islam is normally used as a vehicle to get support for a political campaign in other to subjugate and dethrone the traditional rulers of this place.

Coming to the true intention of the founder of the Sokoto Islamic caliphate, historians believe that Usman dan fodio was only interested in becoming the traditional ruler of this place but don't have any justification to such title being an alien to the land, the only justification he may have is the religion of Islam.

saaron:
This here is the reason why history is alien in Nigerian schools. What Usman dan fodio did in 1804 is not different from what Abubakar Shekau is doing through Boko haram terrorist group.

They are is no difference. In fact, the leader of Boko haram got some of his motivation from people like Usman dan fodio.

Islam is a political tool that one can use to get power, consolidate and project power without the subjugated group knowing. The north will continue to be backward and volatile as long as they continue to live their conservative lifestyle

landforeast:
Afonja never learn lesson
They are still romancing with their slave masters.
The South should be United against this evil.
A Hausa Christian woman once told me that if Southerners know how deadly and evil these people are they will never allow them to pass a night in their place.

It is rich for Igbos to call other slaves when history as shown their engagement and slave relationship with the North. The only people who self of eastern has been battered and see themselves as second class citizens in Nigeria are the Igbos, they are so terrified about the Hausa-Fulanis that they accord respect and power that do not deserve to them.

Coming back to the point of discussion. Hausa Christians don't need to tell us how barbaric the nomadic Fulani is before we know, it is common knowledge that all poor uneducated people always have a tendency for violence, simply because they have nothing to lose. The Fulanis are no different in this regard, but the event recently as shown that they are already bitten more than they can shew and their days of judgement is approaching. Buhari will not be the president for life and when the power finally shift they may have to pay for all their atrocities.

TUANKU:
So local governments that were created years before Abacha became head of state suddenly have now become creations of Abacha?
What metrics are you even talking about?
Kano has way better infrastructure, has a bigger economy and has larger manpower.
Educate yourself and control your hatred.

Bigger economy than where?
All evidence on the ground shows that you are seriously ignorant.

Kano is an overrated slum that is overhyped by people that has never left the north-west to any part of Nigeria. Ogun, Ondo and Oyo generate more revenue than Kano the last time I check and these three states also have a larger economy individually.

TUANKU:
Oga Kano as a capital is made up of 4 local governments so be specific.

Kano city local governments were mostly created by criminal Abacha in other to appropriate more money to Kano states, they were not based on any serious metric. Kano city is much smaller than Ibadan how come it has more local government than the latter?

Bring your evidence here to show the development of Kano.

Osaze007:
Actually
East is not farther advance
Southwest, south, north-west is way ahead of the south-east that’s the bitter truth

The question I will ask you is have you been to the east before?

I'm one of the people that always attack the Igbos and set the record straight whenever they allow their hubris to get the better of them but on these issues of which region is more developed between the Northwest and south-east, man! The east is far better

Cherez:
As seen in your previous posts on this thread, you're the type of literate Nigeria churn out yearly
Where is your source?

The east is far far more advanced than the north. You can only compare the east to the south west

wingmanIII:
If you use the same daft argument, north has more literate number than Britain and France combined. Stupid thread!

Don't mind him. The northwest is home to 50% of Nigeria poorest people. It is a crime to compare any part of northwest/northeast to southeastern Nigeria.

I'm a Yoruba that has been opportune to work in the east. A state like Anambra is one of the most developed states in Nigeria in roads and residential buildings. People fail to know that the east is very small in landmass this allows infrastructure to be smaller and cost lesser than bigger states

forgiveness:
1, Abeokuta
2. Ijebu Ode
3. Shagamu
4. Ota
4, Agbara
5. Igbese
6. Mowe
7. Iperu
8. Isheri
9. Ilisan

Too many

Don't compare Ogun state development with Kano state because Ogun state is miles ahead.

Don't mind that guy jare.
I have been to both state and I can tell you that the only developed part of kano is that 400square kilometre Kano city and that is all.
Ibadan alone is 3009square kilometres with a highly Developed area.

Ogun far developed than Kano, it has lots of industries and good residential areas. Even Ondo states is even more developed than that Kano

FuckAllTheMODs:
They are also in Kano. Some of them left during the incessant riots in Kano, where non-indigenes were attacked (including non-hausa Muslims), while some sold their properties to other tribes predominantly Igbos and left to other areas(tho this is not done mainly by Ogbomosho people but the Yorubas)... check sabon gari/Badawa areas in Kano and some areas in southern Kaduna.

***This reply can be corrected/changed. Although this was the info I got/heard during my time there.

Not only Ogbomoso but Yoruba generally.

People always undermine the population of ethnic groups such as Yoruba, egbira and Auchi in the north because majority of them are Muslim who easily assimilate into the culture of their host communities.

mvem:
Capital Wrong...There are many known- Hausa Musl ims in the North. I think was you haven't been up north. Like the Kanuris of Borno are predominantly muslims and don't identify as hausa. Different heritage, tribe, language, culture etc...haven't you heard of the Kanem-Borno empire...there are other non-hausa Muslims up north, infact so many...

Did you see Borno in the example I gave?
go through my message again, this time slowly and you will understand my message. I was born and live all my life here in the north

"Na san arewa fiye da yadda kuke tsammani"

adanny01:
Do you blame them?

Atiku Abubakar is not Hausa or Fulani, but he will not say what he is.

Babangida is not Hausa or Fulani, but he will not say what he is.

Abdusalam Abubakar is not Hausa or Fulani, but he will not say what he is.

Abacha was not Hausa or Fulani, but he never said what he is.

Gowon is not Hausa or Fulani, but he said what he is.

This country has no reward for being a minority. If you want to get to a certain place, you have to use the right medium. Nigerians made it so.

As a Northerner, the first thing that qualifies you to be a president is your religion, followed by ethnicity, then wealth, then influence then at the least, your capacity to lead.

I think Abdulsalam Abubakar is actually a Hausa by ethnicity, his parent just settled in Niger state.

One other thing you have to understand, it was the military that gave those northern minority the clout and power without the military most northern minority will not attain all those feet no matter how well they claim to be Hausa.

Look at most democratically elected Northern leaders have always been from the core northwestern states. People like Atiku were hated because they are from the States with huge minorities

mvem:
Please no one from Yobe, Borno, Adamawa, Plateau, Benue etc recognize as Hausa or Fulani. Borno and Yobe people are predominantly Kanuri and are proud of that. They have Christian minorities in Borno like the popular Chibok town having tribes like Margi, Babura etc. None identify as Hausa. Plateau or Jos people don't even identify as Hausa any day or anytime. Taraba has majority Jukun people who are not Hausa. Same as Adamawa that has a lot of non-hausa. Hausa is like a lingual franca in the north because it is generally spoken but ethnically not all are hausa. The real hausa are mostly in the north west, Kano, Jigawa, Kaduna(Zaria part), zamfara, katsina etc...for the Fulanis because of there nature you can see them almost everywhere in the north but are found in large numbers in Adamawa, Gombe,Bauchi...Hausa/fulani is just a term to recognize the long union between the Hausa's and Fulani...over time they intermarried, although we still have pure Fulanis and you can easily notice them by their physique and we have pure Hausas too...Southerners seem to have a wrong knowledge if this hausa, they think if someone up north speaks hausa then he is one which is very very wrong...all these tribes have their language which is not related to hausa at all

Oga calm down. Read the key world Muslim the Muslim among them identify as Hausa

Agboriotejoye:
Most of them especially the Muslims easily identify with the Hausa-Fulani tag. I've met with several of them. Ask them their tribe and they'll fall silent. But they behave and speak in such a way as to be construed as Hausa.

Don't mind the writer of that article.
Any Muslim from the northwest identify has Hausa despite having minorities in some of the states.

Muslims from States like Bauchi, Yobe, and Gombe either identify as Fulani or Hausa despite not being Hausa. Hausa is now an identity used by northern Muslims who are originally Hausa or Fulani

oyichi:
those guys from Mina are pure Gwari, no Hausa man ruled this country, they have been overshadowed by the Fulani in there own land

Minna has lots of Hausa settlers.
The former governor talba was a Sokoto man. Many of Nigeri elites are either Hausa or Fulani settlers from core North, a town like Suleja even have an emirate that is from Zaria, you will be surprised to know that the state has produced two Hausa governor.

Bekool:
This is really disheartening the north west have no business presiding over the affairs of this country they have produced more presidents and military heads of state more than any region of Nigeria yet they can't even improve the standard of living of their own people.

It is the president and the military head produced by the north that has even reduced their backwardness and help to give them more than merited. North has been very poor and backward from day one.

Here is what lead to the amalgamation of north and southern Nigeria: The British treasury initially supported the landlocked Northern Nigeria Protectorate with grants, totaling £250,000 or more each year.[73] Its revenue quickly increased, from £4,424 in 1901 to £274,989 in 1910. The Southern Protectorate financed itself from the outset, with revenue increasing from £361,815 to £1,933,235 over the same period

ghettokid1:
Was is not your brothers that betrayed Jonathan in 2015?

How did betrayed Jonathan when they voted enmass for him in 2011?

mrvitalis:
Jonathan was never interested ,obasanjo is was not interested
Shagari was not ....

You Yoruba's have two options support Igbo's to take power from the north and unite the south

Or contest and watch the north win

All I know is the presidency is coming to the south, no matter who emerges will get my support

mrvitalis:
Jonathan was never interested ,obasanjo is was not interested
Shagari was not ....

You Yoruba's have two options support Igbo's to take power from the north and unite the south

Or contest and watch the north win

I think I will support a liberal Igbo man than a northerner but the Igbos need to show their seriousness and extend the hand of friendship to the Yoruba nation for this to happen. A soludo will be a good president

budaatum:
Don't mind them. People are here talking as if only the North voted for Buhari or he rigged it when he was obviously voted in by the majority of voters all over Nigeria.

After his four years, the presidency is coming to the south.

budaatum:
They need to be educated that you vote people out in a democracy and not just stand there wailing "resign"!

Buhari must finish his four years mandate

degamemaster:
North is a cursed place with cursed leaders promoting a cursed occultic ideology in the name of religion. That's why they wants to spread their curse to every part of the country especially the East which stands in opposition to all their evil ideologies. But guess what, they will never succeed.

North actually have potential but they have been plaque by incompetent leaders that also affect the rest of Nigeria but having a very poor social and economic development has amplify the problem.

jacoik:
you and your crew did well bro but please stop touring please because if northern almajiries catch you, guy you will be a dead man oooo. I remember what happened to me in 2016 at sabon garri Kano where I went to eat food in the luxury bus park. After I finished my food and dropped the plate, about 15 small small boys rush to eat the remaining of the food I left, omo na so goose pimple full my body and as I brought out my phone to snap na so my friend warn me that if they people catch me then I will be burnt alive. Na so I open my mouth like a person wey don lost for jungle

You know I live in the north and can understand and speak the language. I can easily blend in because I understand the culture and religion of the region very well. On that tour, I have an Hausa-Fulani friend and an Auchi edo brother with me. We decided to go on the tour to have an idea of the social economic difference of each of these regions

Meti99:
I live in the northern region

Where do you live in the north and where have you been to in other part of Nigeria?

CSTR2:
Take away the north and Nigeria is a middle income country.

Someone said something intelligent. Only the south can help.
The blind cannot lead the blind.

They need to keep electing southern presidents that would force progressiveness on them.

Buhari will not do that for them. He is an average northerner that knows nothing about the right of every citizen to have proper education.

Jonathan built their almajiri schools. Those schools no longer exists.
And that is what they need more than roads and bridges.

The North is irredeemable, the best solution is for each of the constituting units to go their separate ways and leave the north to find solution to her problem.

Meti99:
But the most developed region with good roads, light, best schooling infrastructures and lowest cost of living in Nigeria is still the north.
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Please, stop these useless statistics that is making the government give preferential treatment to the north and leaving the south to suffer all because "the south get money.."

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In the next 100years if Nigeria is still together, I wonder what will become of the south
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SayNoToMEDIAPropaganda

Where are you getting your statistic from?
From all available evident the northern is far far behind in every indexes of development

GMbuharii:
And still the so-called sophisticated people are still their beloved slaves..
Mufutaus and mumunis indeed


Lzaa

This is not funny anymore! You kind always like to project their inferiority complex on others, the only slave here are those that believe the north is some kind of superhuman