₦airaland Forum

Nowenuse:
Tribalism is worse in the north because it leads to killings unlike in the south.

You want to compare a region where you can easily be killed for being the wrong tribe or religion to another where people only criticise themselves on social media?

Nowenuse:
Thank you very much for telling that ignoramus Spendoon the truth.

I'm happy that Southerners are now getting wiser and understanding the differences of the most led ire th.

The truth is that Yorubas, Igbos & Niger Deltans stand a far better chance of living in one country in peace than Core-northern and Middlebelters.

There are many towns and entire LGAs where Hausa Fulanis and Muslims cannot sleep and wake up in Taraba, Adamawa, Plateau, Southern Kaduna and Southern Bauchi. ..... But Southerners can live peacefully anywhere within the entire South.

Putting the ethnic groups of Plateau, Gongola & Southern Kaduna in one country with Hausa Fulanis is worse than putting Iranians and Israelis in one country...

Most of the core northerners on this platform always like to mischievously mask their anxiety with the fact that northern minority will be subdued or forced to remain in the same country with them in the event that Nigeria disintegrates. What they fail to realise is that they have burned too many bridges to get the trust of these people

XANDERBOY85:
On the bolded: Rwanda, Botswana and Ethiopia are all landlocked countries and are presently doing better socially and economically than countries like Nigeria and Somalia that have access to the sea!

Also, those giving you access to the sea can only dictate the terms of the association if they’re the only option! If a landlocked country is contiguous with more than one country with sea access, it then becomes the ‘beautiful bride’ that will be courted to do business with! Ethiopia had the option of choosing either Eritrea or Djibouti and chose the latter!

Nigeria is better than both Ethiopia and Rwanda while Botswana is a tiny country of 2m people.

The north core north without the fertile guinea Savannah of central Nigeria tribe, crude oil of niger delta and general manpower of southerners will be a disaster. The north best thing for the north is to keep Nigeria has one but their greed may soon turn their allies in the south against them.

0m0nnakoda:
You are not well informed

The Colony of Lagos was a term that included what was later known as Western region while Souther Nigeria protectorate was what later became Eastern Nigeria

You are grossly misinformed bro! Lagos colony only covers Lagos Island while mainland and southwest was known as Yoruba interior which was together with south-east in what was called southern Nigeria

"The southern protectorate was divided into two provinces in 1939—Western and Eastern—and in 1954 they, along with the northern protectorate, were renamed the Western, Eastern, and Northern regions as part of Nigeria's reconstruction into a federal state"

raumdeuter:
If there is a North, there should be a South. You cannot claim the whole3 regions of the North are the same and try to differentiate the South

The difference between Kogi, Jos Borno and Sokoto is as wide as the difference between Ibadan, Onitsha, Calabar and Warri

Actually, Nigeria was created from the southern protectorate, northern protectorate and the colony of Lagos, in that sense there was a southern and northern Nigeria.

North shouldn't look at as a monolithic group the same way the south is not monolithic by the point of discussion is a quota system is detrimental to the development of any country

raumdeuter:
The west was magnanimous enough to grant the desires of the Midwest to be separate other regions found a way to suppress the minorities

There has always been a middle belt group that sought a separate identity, Just lik Adaka Boros people tried to

This I agree with.

raumdeuter:
There are more Hispanic in America than Asian Americans. yet the one with the bigger number gets the pat on their back while the one with smaller numbers are made to go through a higher hurdle

If FG is funding a program, its for all states to get the benefit

Do you think it's fair that Kano with 10Million people gets the same number of Senators as Bayelsa with to say, 2million people? But they do get the same. When its Federal opportunities must be given to everyone

Not just one section because they have some advantage

The bolded is a classical example of cherry-picking data to make a point. Asians Americans are a model minority because the majority already better economy standing than most native (white Hispanic and blacks) hence, they are already over-represented in American higher institution of learning which then necessitated in having a quota in place for blacks and Hispanic that are already underrepresented.

Federation is not giving everyone equal opportunity but having power giving to federating units especially in a heterogeneous society like ours. What we practice is not federalism but a over centralized system where the central government is all-powerful. If we actually practice federalism, each state will keep whatever resources they have and no one will care about what happened in Abuja.

Coming back to your question, yes it doesn't make sense for Kano with allegedly 10m people to have only 3 senators a while a state like Bayelsa with only 2 m people has 3 senators. Let us assumed that Kano doesn't have more house of representative members than Kano, let us also assume that Bayelsa is not contributing more to the centre than kano.

Does representative in an ethnically diverse nation like Nigeria should be based on the population or the ethnic groups of the constitute units?

[quote author=raumdeuter post=86757636]Schools funded by Federal govt is assumed that the income comes from all states, So why shouldn't indigenes from all states have a chance at it not only those with superior academic backgrounds

Ironically, the money only comes from the southern states.

You don't have to attend a Federal secondary school, there are over a million non-federal secondary school. There are state schools etc

Unity schools are the best-funded public secondary schools in Nigeria, hence, it is a first-choice institution for most parents that can't afford the expensive private schools

[quote]You know in America If an Asian(Chinese and Indian) scores the same marks as a Hispanic in the SAT. The Hispanic student has a better chance of admission because of Affirmative action a law that seeks to have equal representation of educationally disadvantaged groups

But precedence is given to merit while minorities are reserved some position (which is always very small) to have diversity in their institutions but in our case, we are talking about almost half of the population given a path in the back for their failure and encouraged to fail more.

raumdeuter:
There are many schools that were established for merits, The unity schools were specifically established for National Unity

No sir! Unity schools are the only federal government secondary school, established to supplement those provided by the state government. They are better funded and should be reserved for the brightest in our society

tartar9:
Well,nothing wrong with this,everyone has to be equally represented.Lets not forget that here in the South(the South East especially) cheating is involved in almost all centers such examinations are conducted.

Bross! You can't superficially wish this away. What you wrote above doesn't really make any sense because state of origins are normally used, this render your argument useless, since a kid whose parents are from any of those southern state will still have to pass the cut of mark even if such a kid was born and raised in Zamfara.

What we should have is to reserve some slots, let say 10% percent for education less developed states and then allow everyone else to fight for the remaining 90% through merit only.

raumdeuter:
The purpose of the creation of Unity schools is to have equal representation from all states in Nigeria. The admission is not solely based on the highest marks its to have every part of the country represented in the class to foster Unity. That is the purpose for creating Unity Scholls
So cutoffs are set to ensure that happens

What is the point of a Unity school if all the students are from Anambra and Ogun state, what is the Unity in that

Why should merit be scarifies in place of national cohesion?

Susu888:
All what you are saying was caused by our leaders! And yes i put the blame solely on them.

You made some fair points but most of what you said was just propaganda you heard or read on the news about northerners! We know our problems better than you(only the owner of the shoe knows where it pinches) :

1- The north is not a dumping ground for foriegn religions infact on the contrary the north is the most homogeneous part of Nigeria religious wise. South has more varieties of religions.

2- The north also does care about educating the girl child we are not barbarians pls!

3- We are not religious intolerant, we are very accommodating as long as you don't insult our culture or religion.... you don't expect me to sit down and look at you insulting my religion or my way of life do you? If you were in my place you for sure will ask me to pack up and leave nd thats the truth.

4- Northerners are not lazy mr.... the whole of nigeria can testify to that. Can you endure the average work day of an Aboki?? You can't and if u say otherwise you're lying to yourself!
An average northerner engages in any job no matter how menial just to fend for himself and his family.
What you mean to say is most northerners are not smart workers(for this also i blame our leaders for the lack of education is the cause) but hard workers.
They mostly engage hard labour works while the average southerner prefers jobs that keeps him in the shades nd thats a fact*.

5- You said we have a narrow world view which ofcourse is again false.... its not narrow world view its lack of education and it leads us back to our leaders!!

The only valid point i agreed with you on is that some of us marry many wives while they don't have the financial ability to take care of their offsprings..... this point as well leads us back to lack of education about social security nd welfare which i also blame our leaders for not providing nd making education compulsory!

They preferred the masses remaining ignorant so as not to know their rights and so that they(leaders)can steal as much as they like without hindrance.

When a southern person hears the word north what comes to his mind is people raring cows and sheeps,long beards and hijab.... thats all he can think off

Your points are based on propaganda and stereotyping of northerners.

Explore nigeria and you will have a change of mind about most of the things you once thought where true.

The media lies alot to sell their articles online and newspapers or whtever means they use to dispatch information to the public.

The problem northerners have is mainly related to lack of education and has nothing to do with our religions!

In your tiny minds, other ethnic groups don't reside in the north?
When i talk about the North I talk from a position of knowledge. I was born and brought up in the region so don't patronize me with that nonsense

1. To start with, the north is north the most homogeneous part of Nigeria both in terms of religious ideology or ethnicity but if you are talking about northwest I will still disagree with you when you talk about Ideology. Has a young teen growing up in northern Nigeria in the late 90s and early 2000s I was exposed to "Izala movement" formally Jama'at Izalat al Bid'a Wa Iqamat as Sunna also called JIBWIS. This was Saudi backed Wahabist movement that started sowing the seed of intolerance against the west, Christians and other religious sects. They were also at the forefront in the campaign for the actualization of "political sharia" in the northern part of Nigeria which was the foundation to all the extremism plaguing the nation. I am not at of place to say that the north is a dumping ground for different Islamic ideology be it Izala, Quraniyu (kali Kato), Tijaniya, Shia, Ahmediyah, etc,

2. The northwest is the worst-hit region in term of female illiteracy, it has worst as less than 36% in some states in the region compared to that of the south-west/east which is as high as 90% in some states. couple with early marriages forced marriages and seclusion of women out of economic activities under the pretence of "Sharia".

3. Tolerance is when you are open to debate and trash out whatever difference through dialogue. What you actually called the attack on your way of life is other people being critical of your practice is having a negative impact on the country we all share together. Most of the civil unrest in Nigeria has always emanated from the core north where a simple misunderstanding can easily be blown out of control due to lack of religious tolerance of core northerners.

4. I'm a civil engineer and I worked in the construction industry. You are right the core northerners do most of the menial job not because they are hardworking but because they lack the skills and education to handle any serious work where some level of discipline and knowledge is required. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they don't have the capacity to do these jobs but they are too lazy to invest the time and energy to learn the trade or get an education that will make them competitive in the aforementioned areas.

Finally, I'm very sure that I have traveled around this country than you. I have been to all the geopolitical zones, interact with people outside my ethnic group and religion to shape my views about people and group.
Note, I'm not generalizing that all northerners are lazy and not open-minded but we can all agree that they are far behind other Nigerians in this regard. peace

golddare:
You cant change a man's life until you have changed his mind, it will take years to reorient the North, their leaders did a good job, they attacked their mindset and values. I haven't seen such people that have been enslaved with religion and politics by elites.
I pity the youths of the North and I believe the only quota system they need to change is the status quo.

The Jihad of Usman Dan Fodio set a retrogressive wheel in motion in northern Nigeria, for 99 years it conditions the minds of the masses to view everything that befalls on them as the will of the almighty. He successful brainwashed the masses using religion to cement his minority rules and when the British colonialist game they did nothing to change when they sense that arrangement on the ground was cheaper and less stressful to best exploit the country.

Missionary schools in the south and "pagan north" was the game changer and a vehicle of civilisation to the hitherto uneducated Africans. The Muslim mixed out of this due to the greed of the feudal rollers and their British overload, ever since then the Muslim north has been the destabilizing factor affection the growth and development of this nation

Rhaspody:
This is true. The government of the north do very little to encourage education amongst its youngsters. Very little.

It is not like the southern government is anything better but rather southerners have a culture of education and the believe that poverty is a state of mind which can be defeated by acquiring education and skills.

On an average northern government spend more on education, scholarship and incentive to get people educated than their counterpart in the south but the average northern is too lazy and blind by religion and culture to take education seriously.

Let me give you a good example: around the year 2008 while in FUT Minna for my undergraduate studies, some people were sponsored by the Sokoto state government to study civil engineering in Minna. I was made aware that it has been the policy of the state to bring in students, pay all their bills, pay for accommodation and offer them jobs as an undergraduate in their ministry of works and tertiary institution of learning. This arrangement was arrived out due to shortages of civil engineers in the state.

Furthermore, the successful applicants are placed on level 6 or so salary from their 200L. Despite all these incentives, the majority still fail to graduate and the few that made it do so with some padding.

In summary, it is not that those guys were naturally dull or stupid, no! far from it but they all lack the culture of hard work, dedication and excellence exhibited by mostly southerners who came from families where education is a number one priority.

Origin:
It's a wonder how Northerners get so many public service jobs. But are not well represented in the private sector.


How do they become eligible for these jobs..

Quota system

Fuckgovt:
They are not actually biased but say the truth as they are. Even ppl from the south castigated GEJ when he didn't do well, but the north protects PMB despite being worse than GEJ. That's their grief.

In the same vein, not all northerners are supporting Buhari, I know many that are critical of his government from day one.

OROSUNBOLB:
Some northern elders will hate him for saying this bitter truth.

Not only the elders but also the followers. They love this current arrangement which gives the educated few spots in the ministries and government establishment no matter how incompetent they are.

If you want to change the north, teamed up to have a president that can successfully restructure Nigeria, where states are self-sufficient and the central is rendered very weak. If they have to work as hard to get a job in the organized private sectors as the average southerners they would be forced to change

Fuckgovt:
keep hating while the emirs truth reveals itself.

I'm not hating I'm just saying the obvious. Southerners are far ahead in terms of literacy and general social-economic development but they're too emotionally attached to their ethnicity to have an unbiased look at things, resulting in them making the same mistakes with the uneducated north.

gidado14:
Oga sanusi you always come and accuse the north with poverty while you drive a ROLLSROYS worth 200 milliom, why not sale the car their are member of your relatves that are poor just share 1m each for 200 members it will reduce poverty in your family too.

Sharing money to poor relatives will put these relatives into a bigger mess when they finished this money.

You don't develop or take people out of poverty by merely sharing money without the skill and mentality to get out of it. The more money you give to poor people the more wives, adj and responsibility they will add to themselves

Neoteny:
The talkative emir is at it again, when there's no record of him ever doing anything to help out the North's problems.

All he does is talk, and more talk.

Keep talking, Ganduje is listening.

What do you want him to do to help?

He is a ceremonial traditional and religious leaders that people come to for guidance and advice, he can only guild and advise his people on the best ways to live life in these challenges modern time.

The tax, allocation of the state is not paid to him so he can only call the general populace attention to happening in his domain

salt1:
Don't mind the hypocrite.
He also married a young wife to continue their hobby of procreating

Why wouldn't you look at his message rather than attacking his personality?

The Alaafin of Oyo has numerous wives and children while the generality of Yorubas don't practice polygamous or give birth to children that they can't train. These people are a traditional institution, they should be given some pass

loganx:
The North does not rely on the quota system, they take almost 80% of available federal government jobs

They don't and it will be impossible for them to do that.
Actually, southerners are more than northerners in most of the ministry and parastatals. It is logical because southerners are far educated than them and if the quota system was not introduced the ratio will be so embarrassing the northern would hardly be represented in any ministry.

What you will say is currently, most of the key positions are held by northerners due to Buhari nepotistic tendency and when another government comes into power he too will as a matter of interest put his people into this position. Reasons, why our over a centralized system of government which is winners takes all will not take us anywhere. Without restructuring and devaluation of means of production and distribution to States or ethnic blocks, Nigeria will continue to move in a circle.

Rossippi:
They are the most useless, ignorant, and stupid generation we've ever had. Bunch of know-nothing block heads that hate themselves like nothing I've ever seen.

Go to America that has 40 million blacks. Trump's support in the black population is less than 4%.

Yet these Nigerian brainless youths have never sought to learn WHY their cousins in America are against Trump. A man that is a PURE RACIST, who refused to rent his flats to black people, and refused to let black accountants work for him, saying ''I don't want any n.......s counting my money'', and who is reported as using the N-word frequently in private.

Even now, the racist has banned them from settling in the US, yet, they continue to sing his praises. If those are not slaves what are they? All that's left is to padlock their lips and handcuff them to complete the picture. Ignorant wastrels and a disgrace to blacks and Africans worldwide.

Most Nigerians are one-way traffic, too stupid and emotional make a rational decision. Most of the anti-Buhari crowd are those pro-Jonathan supporter that will not let go of what happened 5 years ago.

We can all agree that the Buhari regime is the worst in Nigeria history but their reasons for criticizing him was not because of his shortcomings but because of the fact that he defeated clueless Jonathan at the pole. They see any negative policies against is government as a game not minding that a ban on a permanent visa to the United States is a ploy to stop permanent immigration to the state which will most likely affect the middle income and educated struggling class since the politicians and their cronies wouldn't be looking at settling in the USA anytime soon.

The pertaining question these fools need to ask is where will the over $20billion remittance come from if Nigerians are shot out from accessing and working in the world's largest economy. Most of the remittance coming into Nigeria is one of the reasons why southern Nigeria is way ahead of northern Nigeria in development. In fact, a permanent visa ban on Nigeria is a slap on southern Nigerians who are most likely going to travel out in search of greener pasture

budaatum:
Yet, i bet you would not have voted for the very educated Emir of Kano if he had put himself forward.

He wouldn't because most southerners are not too different from average northerners because they too allow their ethnic sentiment to take the better of them.

Most of the wailers are only wailing not because Buhari government has been a failure but because they were biter that Buhari sends their clueless Jonathan packing. To me, most Jonathan supporters and Buhari supporters are the same coins of different faces

Susu888:
Ain't no lie, God knows we(northerners) need to start doing some shit about our problems.

We are blessed with many things (precious minerals, farmlands) but we still can't generate revenue to sustain us without federal allocation...Our leaders in the north,na only God fit forgive you.

Why would you place all the blames at the feet of the political leaders?

What about the sense of responsibilities of men that have more wives and children than they can manage, resulting in a high rate of divorce, out of school children and general decay in our society?

What about the old age disdain for education which has been propagated by years of religious propaganda and the lack of care for the girl child, their education and the role they should play in modern society?

Were these leaders also responsible in turning the north into a dumping ground where all foreign religious ideologies are dumped no matter how ridiculous or incompatible with our current prevalent economic and social situation?

Answers to this question will point us to the direction we need to be heading as a nation.

That masses of the north have failed themselves and their region due to their laziness, religious intolerance and their inability to rise beyond their narrow world view

sapientia:
Yet, you supported Buhari to be President over all the educated Northerners.

Its not lip service.

If the government remain in the hands of these present people piloting it, nothing will change.

He didn't and his body language shows that he prefers Atiku as all the elites know that Buhari was an incompetent bigot who would condemn Nigeria to a worst situation than what we were running away from at the time.

Sirjamo:
In terms of total revenue generated over a four year period from all sources including oil, FIRS, loot recoveries, loans... Buhari is 300 billion dollars behind Jonathan.

If Buhari had not won that 2015 election and Jonathan continue to run Nigeria the same way, this country would have been listed for sale on Amazon.

How could this possible when Nigeria was making less than $15 billion dollars annually within this period. It is a common phenomenon for people here on this board to inflate government revenue in other to score some cheap point. At most all the crude oil earning by Jonathan was less than $75 billion dollars

Sirjamo:
All you needed to do was visit the OPEC website and see for yourself how much Nigeria earned during the term of each president. But a typical wailer does not know how to carry out a simple research!!!

How do you come up with that figure, it seems to me that you pull out those figures out of thin air.

Nowenuse:
I have been to majority of the states and cities in Nigeria. .... I love travelling! And I am the kind of person, If I visit a city for the first time, I will get a car and fuel it almost full tank just for a driver to take me round every nook and cranny of the city while I am on my Google map!
So, you are not just talking to anyone bro.

I know everywhere in Warri...I have lived there most of my life there ...
Warri is big no doubt, especially since Udu LGA and some part of Ughelli south & Okpe LGAs have merged with Warri south and Uvwie LGA.

Warri, Benin, Jos and Kaduna are all about the same size! .... Just that Kaduna murders the other 3 cities when it comes to development!
I lived and schooled in Benin for 7 years.

The only PH can withstand Kaduna in development, but I think PH is slightly larger than Kaduna in Landmass.
Kano is just something else when it comes to size abeg... The only thing is that Kano has too many poor and low-income areas compared to Kaduna, but even the high income areas in Kano alone are almost bigger than all the other cities I mentioned above individually.

In the SE, Onitsha & Aba are the biggest cities, and they can compare Warri, Benin, Jos & Kaduna in size, but they are very very dirty, unkept and unorganised... Although, Onitsha is having a new look, I was impressed the last time I visited, compared to the way it was in the past. .... Owerri and Enugu are the sane ones but they are smaller in size.

I served in Ph and my friend that city is another league compared to KD. I can tell you that PH is the second most developed city in Nigeria comparable to other African countries capita city.

One good thing about Kaduna and Jos city is that these two cities we're planned from scratch, especially Kaduna, it was planned and built from scratch in this modern time but ever since the regional government we're replaced with States it has been left to ruin

Nowenuse:
See, If you cannot discuss in a civilized manner, Kindly opt out of this place!

Kano metropolis is estimated at over 500km².

That is actually 499km2 which is actually smaller compared to even Akure which is about 535km2 or Ibadan which is 3000km2.

There are lots of more well-developed cities in the south that are better than Kano and Kaduna. I have been to all the aforementioned cities, one thing you will have to understand is most cities in the south we're totally neglected by the military government but since the coming of the civilian's lot of infrastructure has been built in these areas.

I have been opportune to travel to most of the cities in Nigeria and I can tell you that most southeastern one may be much smaller but they are much better than those in the north.

0m0nnakoda:
Interesting stuff but tangential and off point

The point is there is no established Islamic tradition for an inherited father to son caliphate.
Or any other kind of caliphate for that matter.

So even if there were to be a caliphate it is not Islamic for succession to be patrilineal.
Even the current king of Morocco WBO claims to be a descendant of the prophet is not a caliph

But most of this caliphate in the north didn't start off like that in the first place, over the years the system got more corrupted as ambitious amir (emir) got into power and decided to personalised and turn the succession to be patrilinear

Kuruptnigga:
All these pictures are just bunch of dirty cities

The development of a place is measured based on the following
1. Poverty level
2. Literacy level
3. Access to pipe-borne water
4. Child mortality rate
5. Crude death rate
6. Access to healthcare services
7. Unemployment rate
Etc.

Development is not actually measured on how many sky scrappers you have in the city centre which in most cases is home to less than 5% of the population of a state.
When people see the statistic that shows the majority of poor Nigerians live in the northwest, they always doubt this statistic because they have only been to the city centre where most of the elites live, when in reality a majority of the population live in rural areas where all major amenities are lacking.

Nigeria is actually two countries in one, the southern half starting from Kwara, Kogi, Benue downward is actually a comfortable middle-income country while the other half of from Kaduna upward is a poor struggling country in the same social and economic development like poor Sahelian nation like Niger, Mali, Burkinafaso and Chad