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AZUH:
yes he gave me hope . E remain make I cry for Nairaland . Thanks boss .

Oga comman be going back.

Glad to be of help.

AZUH:
yes thanks sir . I had to remodel the chickens pillars . Dpc is still down but I have learned from my mistakes . Thanks to N3xt . He sent me a helper . Na to demolish am remain .

When it comes to ornamental works, I’ve never seen anyone as good as Donald. Though pricey but his work are outstanding.

Focusmind:
This is the same thing my plumber is saying. He said it is easier to carry out repairs on chambers than with T pipes.

What type of repairs if I may ask? Pls ask him same question.

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Edit:

I’ve observed that alternative solutions don’t ever work in Nigeria even if the developed world are using it. There’ll always be an excuse or an exception.

That’s how an electrician told me he can’t use a LED light from the states because they use 120VAC. I told him all we need to do is to change the drivers or build a transformer circuit.

I’ve been using lights bought from the US for over 8 years without issues and we just bought another 30 pcs to use in my ongoing project.

I’ve never had to replace my Phillips light bulbs for over 8 years. Meanwhile the almighty AKT is replaced almost every quarter.

rotecch77:
You are very correct.
Pvc chamber is available in the mkt but it’s not something you can easily like that.
But indomie generation plumber doesn’t know that such are available but Old men plumber know this.
I will post the pics here tomorrow or next

Thank you.

JustCryptos:
Chief, can you please explain how this chamberless system can be achieved. My site engineer is already talking about chambers for the building. Even the architect put chambers in the design.

If this I'd a cheaper and more reliable option, I'll definitely love to implement it.

Whether pvc, precast concrete or block type, they’re all inspection chamber and you’re definitely going to need one.

The only difference is you’re replacing the brick chambers with PVC.

Nothing more. The pipe network remains the same.

sinorte:
Thank you so much. You'll make a great teacher.

Now still on this lesson on chambers, can we explore the uses? How many am I supposed to be looking at in the building?

Kindly note that I have two waste pipes running separately from the first floor, and then another two different rest rooms again on the ground floor.

Smiling.

The quantity you’ll need is already in your M&E plan. If you don’t have one, a very good plumber can help you with that.

These stuffs are dirt cheap. N3500 - N6000 depending on thickness and sizes.

I use 6in for the inspection chamber.

sinorte:
Thank you for your response. I seem to be a bit lost at it though.

My posture had been that my plumber says he would be using a chamber. I've also just read here that, perhaps, chambers are 'not good' and outdated.

So I'm asking please, which one is better to use? And what's the best way to apply it. The building is a duplex.

Now I get it.

The pics below shows different types of inspection chambers.

The conventional method of using brick, cement and slab (Pic. 1) and then there’s the PVC inspection chamber (Pic. 2 & 4) and of course there’s precast manholes (Pic. 3) too.

If you ask a plumber why he’s using brick, his explanation will be “that’s how it’s done” or “it’s the best way.”

Now ask the same person what can the brick type of inspection chamber do that a PVC type can’t do.
Also considering the time, effort and the installation costs, a PVC inspection chamber is a cheaper alternative and lot more reliable option for modern builds.

It’s pretty easier to install PVC inspection chambers.

You don’t have to break slabs to inspect the chamber in case there’s blockage. You just need to open the lid and that’s it. No stress or sweat.

sinorte:
Can you please enlighten me on this chamber of a thing? I'm a complete novice.

My plumber has been touting its use sometimes when we start to lay the waste pipes within the compound and also dig the soakaway.

@egunmogaji2 mentioned it here
https://www.nairaland.com/2745049/construction-journal-browne-mews-nexthome/3#40633415

Take it easy on your plumber. He’s a Nigerian and you sure know a typical naija man has a fixed mindset of “this-is-how-we-do-it”

A typical naija builder believes alternative solutions must be a lot more expensive.

Edit:

I thought you said your plumber has been discouraging you from using it. My apologies for misconstruing your msg.

Give him extra credit for recommending it sir.

alstacs:
I couldn't help but laugh when I saw it oh.
Did you also check the damp proof membrane among other things fa.

When I receive quotations like this, I always check for ambiguity.

An aluminium guy once sent me a quote and asked for 8 packets of drilling bits. There are 10 pcs in a pack �

For owner-builders, don’t be shy to question every details.

I gave him just 2 pcs for the project and he used only 1.

This might help some people in managing their contractors and artisans.

I designed this few years ago and it has really worked for me.

I just recently uprooted 2 mature coconut to create space for planting pepper.

Landscaping is great though but it takes a lot to raise a great one.

Badgers14:
You are correct..

But did you notice the listing price for that house

Like I said before, people do have lawns like this in Nigeria but they are not average Nigerians it is expensive to maintain.

Even in L.A, anyone that could afford a house like this can afford to pay someone to manicure the lawns for them.

It is a beautiful concept, magnificent but it takes a lot of work and could add extra maintenance cost to a homeowner which average Nigeria might not be able to keep up with..

I have a great one but it’s not cheap to maintain. It takes a lot of planning and cost so much to maintain here.

Pic 1 - Perimeter Drain
Pic 2 - Concrete Driveway
Pic 3 - Green Area
Pic 4 - Another Green Area

I never had issues with the driveway design but maintaining the lawn.

coldcandy:
Chambers!
My plumber and I are still fighting over chambers. I told him I don't want chambers but he cannot imagine a house without chambers. I designed the pipe network for him to implement but he is yet to do it. He said if there is blockage how will I locate it? I said i will break d whole pipe and replace it.
He is still pondering over it. I will soon fire him.

You don’t need a chamber. We discussed this some years ago. Go chamberless with T-pipe

skup008:
I'm glad you understand the advantages of the decorative stamped floors sir.

And for the question of if there is blockage in the waste pipe;
what we do during installation of the floor is to create chambers at certain points that will enable plumbers to use a small pipe to clear the drainage i.e from one point of the chamber to another. And the chamber covers we makes use of can be lifted easily without breaking nothing just like picture below.

If that person will still be interested in having decorative stamped concrete please refer him to us, he won't regret.

Thanks.

What do you do when you want to relocate your pump from one side of the building to another side?
I’ve been looking for a way to achieve this without breaking the concrete or flying wires around.

On another occasion, I needed to connect water from the borehole to a new building within the same compound.

These and many more are the many challenges of stamped concrete.

The one you don’t pray to experience is leaky plumbing pipes.

michlins:
you know there's always a room for negotiation. And this is a new product in the market so importers are making a kill until it becomes rampant. Why not contact us so we can reach a favorable place for us both.

Thing about this product is that you can't help yourself but love it

This is one area I have issues. I don’t know how to negotiate. Just give me most reasonable pricing and let me know if there are any other things that makes your job different.

Two of my close friends lost a bid on my ongoing project because of pricing. One wanted to do plastering for 1.8m and the person who got the job charged 800k.

Maybe me sha

michlins:
hehehehehehehe. Demand is driving the prices crazy. Once there are more investors, two things are certain. The prices and quality will drop. The later is the biter pill the society will have to swallow

True. That’s the bitter pill.

michlins:
you know there's always a room for negotiation. And this is a new product in the market so importers are making a kill until it becomes rampant. Why not contact us so we can reach a favorable place for us both.

Thing about this product is that you can't help yourself but love it

I’m investing in that biz soon.

Nigerians just like milking people dry. I learnt a sheet is done 40k and above here.

michlins:
for you to appreciate my works is enough for me at this point. And the price for the rails is 65,000 per meter depending on your customization.

My hand can’t reach this now. I have a 16 metre sidestep to do.

michlins:
good morning sir. Congratulations on the pace of your project. Why not contact us to do the iron works involved in this project and help us immortalize our name on this beautiful piece of art.

Our services includes but not limited to doors, handrails,step rails, window protectors and standing tanks. You can state what you want and we tell you if we can get it done or not.

Contact us on 07032fourfour6904 for a favorable working condition where you ensure the safety of your money

I really love your work and business acumen. Keep it up bro! Your big job is coming.

On this particular job, the local welder got the upper hand with his pricing and nearness to the site. He’ll be mobilized this morning.

How much per linear metre is the sidestep below? I really wish you would handle this job but the other guy too na my gee �

Thanks for your understanding bro.

rotecch77:
Good one from you but never say never oo
Size of building determine the roof wood work cost which I believed you know that.

I spent 1.3m for only wood on this project both cost of wood nail and logistic
Capenter 200k

Total 1.5m

Although it’s bigger than your
About 690 meters
Stone quoted roof installation going on right now

Additional 170sqm. That’s like 1/4 of the total cost.

That kinda justifies the difference.

kopell:
Bosun are all these roofing project done within last 3 months? Or 5 -7 years ago.

My project is ongoing right now. Tilcor should be rounding up by tomorrow evening.

Just like I said a week back, I'll be making use of plasterboards on the project in coming days.

valencia2012:
Impressive! Mine is also about same sqm.
We'll be talking soon.

Nice.

Interestingly, I'm not a roofer and I really don't like taking jobs halfway but I can provide guidance and also refer my carpenters. I use the same guys for all my projects.

bablex:
Good afternoon nairalanders, please help me confirm if this quotation is too much for a four bedroom ensuite from foundation to roofing and plastering only

The discrepancies in this estimates are too many.

Sandfilling = N180,000

Damp Proof Membrane (ordinary nylon) = N479,000

Investigate the person who introduced this contractor to you. S/He is an accomplice.

Donoppy:
Nice one , will surely make contact when I need to do mine too, and could you put a picture when it’s entirely done sir.
Thanks

Though I do not intend to share my project pics on Nairaland but I’ll be glad to do so.

Sometimes it’s important to compare Apple with Apple.

I’ve never done roofing woodwork of any project on Nairaland with over 1 million naira. Wetin we dey build or buy �

Most times, it’s greed of the contractors that always drive up project cost.

Here’s something done with less 1 million naira. Let’s see any 1.5 million naira roofing woodwork and see if there’s any difference.
Wetin the contractor wan buy �

Reinforcement of a bungalow is 1.350


How many tons of iron rod is that? Please ask for detailed breakdown of this part alone.

bablex:
Good afternoon nairalanders, please help me confirm if this quotation is too much for a four bedroom ensuite from foundation to roofing and plastering only

This roofing woodwork is less than 1 million naira (materials and labour inclusive).

The project is ongoing for those who want to see. It was being roofed by Tilcor

I didn’t even enter bush to buy wood. I bought premium price from the nearest sawmill.

Total Coverage: 520sqm

bablex:
Good afternoon nairalanders, please help me confirm if this quotation is too much for a four bedroom ensuite from foundation to roofing and plastering only

I normally don’t do this but I think this is too outrageous.

Which engineer rents concrete mixer 50k. How much is a concrete mixer itself?

Woodwork at 1.6m is crazy too.

ceelog:
If you say its this...how come its only affecting one side of the building?
Also one of the windows broke during installation, could that not be enough for airflow?

Can you send a sketch of the building floor plan? The other side might have a balcony, terrace etc which encourages good airflow.

Also the orientation of the building matters too. Windows should be placed north and south for optimum cross ventilation.

One broken window is not enough. You need to open windows in opposite sides.

Try leaving all the windows open and see if this stop the damp.

It’s good you’re seeing it now as it helps you understand the likely challenges you might face when the house is finished.

- Do not install furnitures (wardrobes, sofas etc) too close to the wall.

- Always keep your bathroom doors locked.

- Look for ways to improve airflow if you must keep the windows locked at all time. This is one reason I love having courtyard in some particular type building.

- Talk to expert painters. Ask for moisture resistant paints

ceelog:
Hello building experts and enthusiasts.
I have a challenge and would like to get your professional views on it.

In the pics below, some of my windows (all facing one side of the duplex), have water patches all below the windows.

This happened both upstairs and ground floor.
The water dampness is not seen above the window and this came up during this raining season .

Any thoughts...?

Someone said it could be poor window installation.

I am lost at what to do about it as it has stalled screeding works.

It’s condensation caused by lack of good air circulation.

I guess the windows were recently installed. Always leave some windows open.

spiceeamiee:
How much do you think this will cost? Is the person in Lagos?

I honestly can’t say now but I know the guy’s doors are very expensive and you have to be very patient to use his service. It takes months to get a door.

As at 2013, we paid over 200k for Bedroom Doors

Geometro Creative



Note: I don’t sell doors neither am I recommending anyone.

rotecch77:
The quotation is a bit higher but not too much.

But at rotech building concept
We have another way of making this cast -in-situ
Concrete facial VERY CHEAP now by using Already made STEEL MOULD this will eliminate the PLANK by 90pec bcs we will still use few plank for the round top BEAM.

This will reduce your quotation by HALVE, YES and at the time taking to do it is also lesser

To cap it all you don’t need to plaster the parapet again bcs the final process will comes out neat.

Pics attached are the one we did for some
Member here in diff location.

We did it for the mini flat at the back of the duplex here in the pics

Very nice innovation. I used the same for my ongoing project.

It’s very cheap, fast and easy. It eliminates unnecessary wastage.