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ralfudoh:
Do you read to understand or your read to reply. I dont understand your bitterness. Let me point it out to you, majority of the monickers you mentioned are close allies. We chat on a regular. Who said all Nigerians who go to Canada dont school. I know a lot who paid over $30,000 for a year MBA and have graduated. I know those who have graduated with distinctions. At least if I keep dishonest friends, I dont know how it affects you, at least they are getting their visas like I mentioned in my post, a friend whom I know used genuine documents. So I can't see where i said my friends are not genuine. Next time read to understand rather to attack. No matter how you want to sugar coat it, the obvious fact still remains. In summary, what i said, is it true or not? A yes or no. You still typed all the long epistle and still mentioned that this things happen. So whats the point? Nobody said Nigerians are not doing good. I had not finished reading your reply, and an obvious case popped up, I drew your attention to it, you did as if you didnt see it.This is my last post on this, you can continue with it. You can keep searching. Remember there is life outside nairaland. Nairaland accounts for less than 10% of applicants.

In your initial post, you said 99% of Nigerians use fake documents. You also said it clearly that Nigerians are not honest. You get called out and try to now act all nice and start praising Nigerians?

I will ignore your rants. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

ralfudoh:
@Naijaforeigner This isn't nice to say. I guess the truth isn't nice to say because it was too blunt. You can see this now. I dont mean to argue with you but can you see this? And you tell me my words aren't nice. How else would you want the truth sugar coated.

I am actually searching for the truth in your post. I will address key points from your previous post.

1. Visa is not a right, It is a privilege

I completely agree.
So because visa is not a right does that mean the process should be unfair, inconsistent and inefficient?
Do you see so much complaints in the UK student thread?

Most people are complaining about the process not the outcome. If people are rejected and the process is fair, there will be little or no complaints.

10 different applicants will apply from different parts of Nigeria and they will all be refused for generic reasons. These 10 different applicants will pay and apply for GCMS notes and they all get similar generic statements. Does it not occur to you that there is something wrong with the process? To add salt to injury, applicants are even refused within 3 days. Are you saying they verified documents within 3 days?
Is IRCC not paid processing fees?

2. Nigerians come to Canada and don't go to school and they use fake documents

Another myth peddled around without facts.

Austacus, Wheyme, Myself, Asapant, vestment all study in Ontario. There is a woman on this forum whose husband attends my school (moniker witheld). There are about 5 other people on this forum in my school (I cant remember their moniker). Lonelydude, graduated from University of Western Ontario last year and he has a fantastic job with a very good pay. We keep in touch on a regular.

Sleeky is in Newfoundland, Bracha I think is in Brandon. There are a couple of other Nairalanders spread across different provinces all studying. All these people are Nairaland members I got to know on this forum. They moved to Canada from Nigeria and they are studying. I specifically mentioned Nairalanders so you know I am not telling you stories out of the blues. Did all these people use fake documents?

Do you need me to tell you other people outside this forum who I know personally and they all moved from Nigeria to Canada and are still studying, some graduated, some are working and doing well in Canada?

Because you all hear 2 or 3 students moved to Canada and did not go to school, bloggers post it and you all assume that is the norm with most Nigerian students.

5 Nigerians are doing yahoo, drugs, crime in Toronto. It makes headlines. What about the thousands of Nigerians doing exceptionally well? Do you use the same energy to celebrate Nigerians, definitely in the majority, that are doing well in Canada?

The sad fact is negative news spread so fast and then people assume that is the norm. We don't celebrate Nigerians who are in school doing well. We are too focused speaking about the few people spoiling the country.

3. Nigerians struggle to get their fees paid when they are in Canada

I can tell you for a fact that at least 80% of Nigerians that come into Canada go to school, pay their fees and complete their education. They may struggle, there may be challenges but they get the fees paid. Which International student does not struggle to pay their fees?

I have paid a total of 33,000Cad, is that beans? My parents are not politicians, government workers or contractors. Indians struggle to pay their fees as well. Almost all nationals struggle. kini big deal. We struggle but we get it paid.

IRCC only asked to show money for 1 year and by the way, who just leaves 33,000Cad in their account doing nothing?

4. Nigerians are not honest.

We have dishonest people everywhere in the world. I mean no disrespect, If you have dishonest people as friends, please change your circle of friends. Dishonesty has nothing to do with Tribe, nationality or race. It is all about the person and his/her principles.

I hope you have a good one.

Meek127:
@naijaforeigner
Please i need a run through on how you applied for your second program. You're the perfect person to help me out.
I'm not interested in a thesis or Phd,that's why im picking 1yr instead

(1) Getting a study permit inside Canada is not hard. All you need to do is pay the full 1st semester fees of your second program and have about 3,000Cad in your account and you are good to go.

(2) Almost same documents you used when applying from outside Canada.
I don't know what you mean by recommendation letter.

(3) You are advised to apply early for your second study permit Inside Canada. You can apply as early as 90 days before the expiration of your current study permit. CIC also strongly recommends you apply at least 30 days before the end of current study permit.

How early you should apply for a second program depends on how competitive the program is. My advise, apply as early as possible.
This is May, some students already applied for winter 2021

(4) You are bringing money, why wont they accept you? Bro, they need you more than you need them. forget all this shakara wey dem dey do for students outside Canada. You can either apply to the same university or change schools. It is legal, acceptable and very common.

(5) It depends on the program. If it has a coop, why not?

(6) My second program is in a college. 8 months PGC. Although I got admission for a 16months masters, I did not follow through. 2 things I considered were cost and age. By the time I would be done with the Masters program, age may no longer be on my side towards getting a PR.

Meek127:
@ naijaforeigner...hello

Hello sir.

ralfudoh:
So I spoke to a friend in Canada who knows much about immigration. He arrived at the following. Fake documents. An open source verification is done at times. These guys know what fake documents look like, and what original documents look like. If they decide to ban us, we will say they are mean so its just to allow us to keep applying. CIC came to Nigeria and agreed with the Nigerian government on verification process for documents like landed, shares, bank statements, CAC e.t c. You claim you own a business that is registered, yet no evidence of the business being operational, no tax clearance, no website, no staff payrolls, no receipts to show. U claim u earn 400k with pay slips, yet u dont submit the account the money is credited. U start an account with 500k and closing balance of 15mil+, if that account is checked back a little, like one year back, the total transaction is not up to 1million. They look at it and laff. 99% of Nigerians are guilty of fake docs.
I kinda agreed with him becos if u see pple that have genuine docs, they are getting visa like my friend. His brother is sponsor, company is active, u can see transactions with the company name on his account. He didnt need to fund his account for over a month before printing, yet he had the required balance. He had his tax clearance, tin number and all. Shows the company is legit and running.
My friend submitted his salary account with less than 500k. And he got medical invite.
I think CIC are now verifying docs, and thats what is leading to the massive refusals.
I have known a couple of pple who came out clean to me that they used fake transcripts to secure college admission yet denied visa, could it be that CIC found out? Fake bank statements. The corruption has eaten as deep as the banking system verifying fake bank statements for applicants. You think these guys dont know? The refusals will be for a reason. Trust me, we know that Nigerians are not honest.

Thanks

as per the bolded, they are actually not nice things to say.
I am not bringing this up for argument. You made your points and I respect them.

I pray Canada starts the Nigeria student express route ASAP. This will probably limit the inconsistencies associated with the current study route process.

All the best to all applicants.

Pee2Jay9:
Is there another PR route we can take apart from Express entry?

To avoid derailing the thread, all the possible routes and other information you need is in the link below

https://www.nairaland.com/5471101/canadian-express-entry-federal-skilled

librangyps:
Oh my God my documents I'm compiling is also much o. I will list them , kindly advise me on what to take out.


Under client file.

Sop
Cv
Bsc
Nysc
Nysc transcript
Ican transcript (ACA)
Atswa cert (AAT)
Waec
Toefl score report
Gmat score report
Cost of living estimate from school site
National identity cos I ticked in the online form that I have a national identity document.
My birth cert.
Marriage cert
Children birth cert 2kids
Siblings birth cert 2sisters

Financial
My bank statement
Spouse bank statement
Scholarship award documentations
Affidavit of support
Scholarship letter from spouse as a co sponsor
My 5month payslips
My employment letter
Confirmation letter
Tax cert
Ref letter from HR
Hubby passport and visa pages
Hubby CAC and article of association
Transactions receipts from his business

Let me know what seems to be unnecessary in my compilation so far and if the classification is in the right place.


Thanks.

My opinion, you don't need the following

Toefl, Gmat reports, waec (Your Letter of admission LOA is enough). If these documents were listed in your LOA, then you can include them but if they were not listed, totally not necessary.

Cost of living estimate from school website: Not necessary. IRCC already know you need at least 10,000 Cad in your SOA.

Siblings birth certificates is not necessary. You already listed them in the form and they are not your sponsors.

Tstunt:
Do you mean 25 distinct documents or by pages? Because there are some documents that has up to 8 to 10 pages per one.

I meant distinct documents.

I noticed 3 applicants submitted almost 25 documents for an online application... wetin happen? That's way too much documents for an online application. You can do that for Paper application, not online.

Do you know the reason why most of you are being refused is because the visa officers cannot even see and clearly read your documents because you have had to shrink and shrink those documents to fit? You all are submitting too much documents.

I can't even understand why anyone needs to submit 25 documents for an online application.

Please I beg you in God's name, for online applications, submit only few necessary documents.

librangyps:
I saw on MUN website that fall semester will be online apart from some select departments like school of medicine, nursing, and marine.

Is it possible for the Visa officer to dish out refusals if they check with your school and see that your program will be online?

Secondly since I have this information that fall semester for my program will be online, is there any point submitting my application for study permit?

By the way my program is MBA

The bolded, you cannot be refused because your program will be online.

You can submit your application, get your visa and defer to next session if you do not want to be taught online.

I think I mentioned it some days back on here, most schools are considering having fall classes online.

SonofGod2000:
I understand jare. But, is that the reason they are doing like this?

Man, a lot of people are making money here. If you earn 2m per month in Canada, you would spend the money on tax my friend while here all things go.

See, let us bone them for now I tell you. They will sit up.

The bolded, where do you people get all this information from?

I do agree though that some people are making cool cash in Nigeria and have no reason to be in Canada or at best, they should relocate to Canada with a PR and not a study permit.

Vakkai:
Hello House,
I was told to join this forum to help me in getting answers to how i go about the refusal letter i got. I got admitted into Stenberg College to study a PGD in nursing so i had to apply for a work permit since my course have to deal with practical. yesterday, i got the following as reasons for refusal;

Thank you for your interest in studying in Canada. After careful review of your study permit application and supporting documentation, I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds:
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
You are welcome to reapply if you feel that you can respond to these concerns and can demonstrate that your situation meets the requirements. All new applications must be accompanied by a new processing fee.
I need help on how to go about this, since school is pushing resumption for September.
Thank you.

Sternberg college does not offer PGWP eligible programs. I may be wrong but please ensure you double check.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/prepare/designated-learning-institutions-list.html#wb-auto-21

P.s If your plan is to study in Canada and come back immediately post graduation to turn Nigeria's health care to paradise, then you are good but if you plan to stay in Canada post graduation, please check that school again. All the best.

mcobex:
Sorry about the rejection. First, I will ask you to speak with your brother about the reasons given by CIC. Ask him if he did anything that might have jeopardize your chances, if he hasn't done anything wrong then I will advise you appeal your case(that's if you have the time and resources to go through it).
These vos are human and sometimes times make mistakes. First speak with your brother and hear what he has to say about it. Good luck
NB: There's nothing wrong in you going for MSc or submitting your own SOA as well(as long as you showed enough funds to cover your tuition and living expenses and your sponsor showed her source of income)

The bolded, bro you hit the nail on the head. However, IRCC needs to look thoroughly into the study visa process for International applicants.

I know all countries have visa officers that make mistake but these Canadian Visa officers, the mistakes they make is on a whole new level.

How love turns to hate

This marriage of a thing, I don’t even know if I will ever be ready for it. God help me.

Zika123:
Sorry to ask, what if I want to come see my sick mum?

Are you in Canada?

You can travel during school scheduled breaks.

If you need to quickly travel to see your sick mum during school session, you need to get a letter from your program coordinator or international office. Just incase those officials at POE wants to act funny.

Ujeinijobog:
Thank you so much for your response @Naijaforeigner. It's really helpful! But please, I don't have enough cash in my account. I used most of the money in my account for schools applications (I applied to 10 schools in different jurisdictions). As such, will it still be a good idea to attach my SOA even though I don't really have money in my account?

10 schools

Honestly, If I were in your shoes, I will not because I have nothing in my account. However, including it will not harm your application if you choose to. Its solely your decision to make.

You have fully funded scholarship and your mum will take care of living expenses. Make sure you include all other necessary documents and your application is good to go.

I wish you all the best.

dommakavelli:
You can go anywhere you want as long as your visa is valid for multiple entries. Just don't go to war zones lol. They will probably ask you questions if you go to Syria, but that still doesn't mean they won't let you in unless there is a security reason.
I remember when I was still using visa and I went to Nigeria. The CBSA officer told me, "Welcome home"... He sweet my belle die.

Welcome home, I love that

lekiboboe, your question has been answered.

Adetayoade1:
My attention got caught
With a study permit one can travel to the USA ?
Do you have to apply for a B1 visa or how does it work please ?

Oh yes you need a USA tourist visa to travel to USA. You will apply for it.

I had mine before I moved to Canada.

Chimzy4real:
I don't understand stand this. Please explain better

You will understand better when you come in. Visa is for traveling in and outside Canada.

Chimzy4real:
Ohhh ok...that depends on the type of visa. Is that not where overstay comes in? I am open to corrections

Yeah, type of visa and being inside Canada is different. The most important document you need as a student inside Canada is your study permit. Once your study permit is valid, you have nothing to worry about. Your study permit must not expire before you either renew it or switch to another visa type, usually PGWP, while in Canada.

Phatkayconcept:
Will you be visiting Nigeria anytime soon. I heard people must not travel back home if they have intention of securing PR.

Sorry for asking bro, I just want to clarify my curiosity.

Don't be sorry for asking questions bro.

That's all lies. Many international students travel back to their country once they are done with their program. On completion of your program, PGWP application takes 3 -4 months. So many students spend that time in their country to chill and then come back to Canada close to when their PGWP will be ready and it has no -ve effect on your PR. The most important thing is for your visa to be valid upon return to Canada.

While having your programs, you are also allowed to travel. I travelled to USA last year and yes I will be in Nigeria towards the end of the year when it is very safe to travel. Lots of international students go to USA for summer/spring breaks.

However, don't leave Canada to Nigeria while still a student except you have a very good reason. Those immigration officials at POE will ask you funny questions when returning.

At the moment, I am in Canada and I don't even have a visa. I will apply for it anytime I want to visit Nigeria.

BoBo83:
Hello Juddytee. I understand you had a valid Canadian visa before your study permit was approved? My questions are:

1.) Was your valid Canadian Visa issued to the expiration of your passport?

2.) When your study permit was approved, were your issued with a new temporal resident Visa (trv) with coding S-1?

3.) My study permit was approved and they did not request for my passport. When I emailed them they told me I do not need another Visa on my passport since I already had a visitor visa.

Please help me clarify I want to be sure I am fine to travel by September. Thank you. @juddytee

Yes you actually don't need another visa to travel since you still have a valid visa to travel out of Nigeria to Canada. Your study permit will be issued to you at POE. The study permit you will be given will be for the entire duration of studies plus extra months. Just make sure your visitor visa does not expire before you travel out of Nigeria.

The visa they give students outside Canada is simply to travel in and out of Canada. The study permit is the document that contains the actual work permit and it is the document that allows you to study in Canada. That study permit is only issued at POE and it is a separate document. It is not going to be on your passport.

When you get to Canada, you can then extend your visa till the expiry date on your study permit. Just so you know, your visitor visa can expire in Canada but your study permit must not. Any time you want to leave Canada to any country (except USA) and your visa has expired, you simply just extend your visa and CIC will give you a new one till the expiry date on your study permit or passport.

Ujeinijobog:
Hello everyone,

I hope we're all staying safe. Please I'm new here and I need some help.

1. Okay, so I got admitted with full scholarship and the only thing I have to cater for is my living expenses. Is it better to use just my mum's POF (showing 8m) or use hers and my sisters who stays in the US (even though my mum's own can cover all of my living expenses)?

2. My mum is an entrepreneur of a small business. If I'll be using her as a sponsor, should I should the certificate of her company's registration even though there are no tax returns? Also, asides from her bank statement and the letter of sponsorship, will I need to upload her passport, travel history etc?

3. Can I use the scanned copy of my sponsors bank statement instead of using the e ticket as has been suggested here?

4. Can I used an unregistered deed of gift transferred to me by my father as personal asset?

5. Secondly, I am 25 years and I have been working to gain experience at a firm since August last year. I managed to get an appointment and study leave letter from the firm to attach to my application. As such, will it look fishy that my bank statement won't be provided even though my sponsors POF will be able to cover my expenses?

Thank you. I will appreciate a prompt response cause I will like to submit by Monday at most as my sponsors already printed out thier statements.

Thank you!

(1) Your mom's SOA is more than enough. You should attach yours as well.

(2) Yes include her CAC documents even though she has no tax returns. I did same when I applied. If you don't have it, you don't have it.
Include scanned copies of her International passport, any travel stamps on the passport as well. Include birth certificate to show relationship as well.

(3) Yes you can use scanned copies

(4) My opinion, if it is land, it should be registered. That is what confirms full transfer of ownership to you. However, I do not know if IRCC actually confirms if it is registered or not. I think some people have actually used unregistered ones before and got approved.

(5) Please attach your SOA as well.

mcobex:
Very correct bro, from the information I got earlier today Fall 2020 session will start online

Spot on bro.

Adetayoade1:
Greetings to you sir please I have two questions
1) what address to the embassy should my SOP carry and also my reference letter from employer

2) My employment was to gain work experience so it wasn’t on a salary basis but I was given allowance steady as I was working in my sibling please what title can I give as the heading for the reference letter
Regards

Hello sir,

(1) Please don't stress yourself about address. The popular VI address is fine for SOP and reference letter.
The Visa officer,
Deputy High Commission of Canada,
4 Anifowose street, Victoria Island
Lagos, Nigeria.

(2) Can he give you an official letter to show proof of employment? Letter of introduction, employment letter to state duration, roles and responsibilities in the company and so forth? If he can, he may also state in his letter that he gave you xyz amount monthly.

If you don't have a salary account that's fine. Attach your normal savings or current account plus your sponsor's to the application.

There are numerous reference letters via google search. You can get sample headings from there and guidelines on content of such letter.

Nkechi48:
Good morning house,
I have 2 big concerning questions I want to ask, if you can shed more light, i will appreciate.

1.For bank statement, can I use a family friend who is a UK citizen, also based there as my sponsor, he is 60 years of age. We are not related by blood, he is Yoruba, I am Igbo?

2. For working class, is the job enough proof of family ties? Because my job is the only thing I have as family ties atm

If you see this post, kindly share your advice, even if you not mentioned. Thank you

Cc Naijaforeigner Justwise

(1) If he can explain why he wants to sponsor you, you are good to go. Third party sponsors are accepted by cic.

(2) You mean home ties? Yes a job is a good home tie if they can give you study leave letter.

There is absolutely nothing to worry about. If you have properties, attach documents, if you don't, don't fret about it.

If you don't have properties, your major focus should be convincing the VO you are a genuine student. Also, show proofs you are financially capable of supporting yourself while in Canada. This is where who your sponsor is and why he is sponsoring you comes into play.

Wunaarroon69:
Is it still safe to travel to Canada this year for studies? I don’t want online classes.

Any idea people?

There is a huge possibility that fall lectures might even be online. Some schools are deliberating on it. I honestly don't know how they can ensure physical distancing in Universities and Colleges.

There is no real safety anywhere in the world until the vaccines are out.

If you are allowed to travel this fall, I suggest you come to Canada. Agreed, online classes are just there when compared to normal classes but having 1 out of 4 or 5 semesters taught online is not too bad.

Also, think of the upside of having online classes in Canada. Too many benefits.

Nkechi48:
Naijaforeigner

It is actually 8 weeks, which is 2 months for the work placement at Cambrain College for "International BusinessManagement", not 3 months, as I made a mistake.

I have another question, so sorry disturbing you with my back to back questions.

I want to apply for "International Business Management" for January 2021, but the application is closed. Application for September 2020 is still open. How do I go about this ?

You are not disturbing, please ask as many questions as possible. If I don't answer, my experienced bosses here will help out.

The bolded, just contact the International office of the school via email, calls or apply directly on the school's website for the program of your choice that is still open.

Most schools in Canada allow international students to apply directly for programs of their choice. I hope this helps.

Nkechi48:
Naijaforeigner, good afternoon.
Please I have a few questions to ask, I intend doing my application myself instead of using an agent, which most people advise.
My first question is this;
1. I graduated with 2:2 Economics, in my Waec result, I dont have Economics but I have it in my Neco. Which of the results can I use for my PGD applicatio?

2. I have 2 schools in mind, Conestoga college for "Global Business Management" and Cambrain College for "International Business Management". Cambrain after study has 3 months work placement but Conestoga doesnt have. Which do you advise I go for?
Naijaforeigner

(1) It depends on the College. I think some colleges accept NECO. Not really an issue. Please contact the International office of your preferred school for confirmation.

(2) To the best of my Knowledge, both colleges are good.
Any program that gives you the option of work placement/ Internship/ Coop is always a good one. There is always the possibility of being retained if you impress your bosses.

p.s I think Cambrian college is 8 weeks placement for IGBC. Please double check.

I actually prefer at least 4 months work placement but 2/3 months is not bad as well.

Other things to note when choosing colleges are ease of securing jobs post graduation for students, location (which city is the campus located) and just incase, schools flexibility for tuition payment.

All the best.

Nkechi48:
Naijaforeigner, thank you so much for your response Naijaforeigner.

The reason I want to go for the 1 year PGD is because of my sponsor's financial capacity, who is my dad. If I am going for 2 years, the financial burden would be too much on him, so I thought to split it to 2 years to make it easier for him.
If there is another way around it, you can let me know please.

Oh that makes sense. Your dad is your sponsor, you are good to go.

For the bolded, I already touched on that issue some months back. If you don't mind, click on my name and search through my posts.

Adetayoade1:
Hello good evening please I want to understand, meaning if one uses a particular sponsor for the first application Godforbid and gets denied he has to use the same person as a sponsor again without changing ?

Good morning bro, If I understand your question clearly, there is no law that forbids one from changing sponsors. The most important thing is to convincingly explain to the VO why that person wants to sponsor you.

Nkechi48:
Thank you for your response.

A quick one, can I apply for 1 year PGD, then before the end of the program, I apply for another PGD program just to make it 2 years of study. Does this count to make me get 2/3 years PGWP?

Yes it does. It is what most people on 1 year visa do.

I finished my 1 year program last year August, took 4 months break in between that allowed me work full time, made some extra cash and then started my second program January and will be done by August this year. You are allowed to get 150 days break between the end of your first program and the start of a new one.
Once you are done with both programs, you will get 3 years PGWP.

But you need to know that you will apply for a fresh study permit again for the second program. You need to carefully consider this; who is your sponsor? Will your sponsor be willing to give you their financial documents the second time when you need to reapply inside Canada?

Just so you know, the same documents you will use in getting 1 year visa from Nigeria right now is the same documents needed to get 2 years visa. So why not just get the 2 years from Nigeria right now?

If I may ask, why are you so interested in going for a 1 year program?