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Gombs:
Do a little googling on countries in the carribean, then get back to me. 105million copies of ROR were distributed this year, by N130 or $0.77 it's $81, 000, 000. Leave Bibles, innercity mission, etc out.

Firstly your calculations are flawed, assuming you are correct about 150millions copies being produced, you will be wrong about 150million copies distributed because I wrote earlier on that there are lots of cartons of undistributed rhapsodies gathering dust in so many churches.
I know this because this has been the norm since its inception and I have seen it with my eyes in different churches in different states

So stop blowing that trumpet of 150million copies being distributed!!!

The undistributed copy wouldn’t you call that wastage?

How many of your possessions have you sold and laid it on the feet of your Apostle? See how warped your thinking can get? Share so that no one lacked abi? Churches should not be built and books should not be sponsored shey? God help your reasoning. Amen

I wouldn’t blow my trumpet here, so no need to start giving you a record of my financial giving and I never said churches should not be built or books sponsored. I only brought that up to show what the focus of the early church was, there has to be balance in everything

Ordinary folks? So there are rich, average and ordinary in the Church of God? haven't you heard of HELPS dept? What of brethren empowerment initiatives? Your own better idea is to make everyone who is 'ordinary folks' queue, and share for them the monies from the possesion others sold, shey? Clap for yourself

When next you read my posts, have an open mind, check the tone and the context in which I’m speaking, ordinary not in a derogatory sense, but in the sense of those who don’t have

NB: there is no such thing as staffs, in English language anyway. You don't pluralise staff. Thank you

Thanks, I learn everyday but the error does not negate the fact that I know so many staff

IF you could read, you'd have noticed I said "second only to the Bible". And yes, some folks paid for the Bibles to be shared free.... they are however not more than 120 different languages, are they? And yes "the union" were given responsibility/mandated for funding the Bibles. Read here to help your ignorance
http://www.gideons.org/AboutUs/OurHistory.aspx

Again I say unto you Endeavour to check the context of my post before responding
When they say Mr A has been mandated to recover the Govt debt, it means he has been given the power or responsibility to recover the said debt, it doesn’t mean Mr A has been forced to recover the debt

When they say, it is mandatory for Mr A to recover the said debt, it means it is a must, it is compulsory for him to recover the said debt
From your link, the union was given the mandate/responsibility to fund the bible not that they made it mandatory for the union. See the difference now.

Whose ignorance is being helped now?

God help your ignorance.
GIDEONS go around to churches and speak, most Baptists churches have the Gideons there once a year or more and the churches make donations or pledges to help buy bibles for that purpose. Some private individuals give to them yearly as well...when a person donates they can determine where they want the bibles placed, they can be for soldiers (green testaments) or the Red testaments that they hand out at schools.

Everyone here knows that for every free thing that is being distributed has been paid by someone. Even if an NGO gives out drugs for free, we all know they sourced for funds from donors!!
That being said, do you find the Gideon’s cajoling, forcing, threatening those Baptist churches to part with their funds?

Are you sure you are ok... is that what I wrote or what your smart mind could conjure?

Please can someone else here help me out, I could be wrong, what’s the correct interpretation and inference from this post

Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible and 105million copies were distributed this year

That's the Spirit of Judas...
[NLT] John 12:5 “That perfume was worth a year’s wages. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.”
[NLT] John 12:6 Not that he cared for the poor—he was a thief, and since he was in charge of the disciples’ money, he often stole some for himself.

This scripture doesn’t quite come in here, judas was faulted because his motive was known, he didn’t care for the poor and he was a thief.
I CARE FOR THE POOR AND I’M NOT A THIEF!!

When Reach Out Nigeria started, it was strictly Rhapsody distribution, 2 or 3yrs later, coporate social responsibility was introduced, sharing of Rhapsody and doing something for the community where the various Christ embassy was located.
Some have benefited from this gesture(this is balance)

There is still a wide gap between the distribution of rhapsody and the CSR, if the holes were plugged you will have more funds for CSR. The 150million copies that was printed, had a large number undistributed, if the amount of the undistributed copies were saved and channeled to CSR, that will be financial prudence
How will such funds be saved? by never printing those excess in the first place, questions like, how many person are really reading this but pastors will never do this, they keep giving large numbers just to hit targets.
So every year the target number of copies will keep increasing, while a large chunk will go undistributed. The cycle goes on.
Abeg there certain things I cant say here, it will be too revealing

Another case is the millions we spend on publizing ministry programs, if pastor is going to Abuja, word of mouth alone is enough, that venue will still be packed out, yet we still spend millions on the publicity, street storm, costumes, trucks, flyers, helicopters in distributing flyers, banners, jingles, radio advert, tv adverts etc cant these things be done in moderation and the balance monies channeled to other things
Jesus pulled crowds in his time without the present day publicity tools, how did he do it? How come ours is different?

Gombs post: How can you explain how a Nation like the BLW is richer than alot of countries, and they don’t ask any church or foundation for funds, and they go around the world whenever they like, however they like, spreading the gospel of Christ? Monies bro...Prayer is the bedrock...the vehicle is the monies...lots of it. For example, now, there are 1,162 CE churches in India. Aside prayers, we sent tons of Bibles there, tons of ROR, tons of tracts all in different formats. There are 2 Ce Churches in Japan, there is the underground Ce Church in China, and I think 16 in South

You want to start again o!! what do you mean BLW is richer than some COUNTRIES? Based on what statistics?

Do you know how many of the CE churches worldwide are in internal debt? Owing for rhapsody, owing for partnership, owing for even this past RON ?

I don't want to wash any dirty linen outside!!

If indeed what you said is true, how come you aren't doing what the early Christians did, they sold their possession & laid it on the apostle feet:not to build church or sponsor books but to share amongst everyone such that no one lacked

how has that wealth affected the ordinary folks including those in the ministry?

There is a lot you don't know about the ministry, you are just talking based on the little you know, I know staffs of virtually every arm of the minstry, some were my members in school or friends!! So I know what I'm talking about

Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible, and 105million copies were distributed this year

GIDEON'S bible:free not to be sold has gone around the world more than any Christian book & the money used in doing that wasn't through tithing or mandated funds

How many times have you heard them soliciting for funds?

Rhapsody being the second book to the bible according to God or man? why should a book be compared to a bible?

those 105millions copies if translated into Cash, do you know the good it will do amongst the Christian community & humanity

how many do you think was really read?

Go to some CE churches now, you will find TONS of cartons of rhapsody(October edition-reach Nigeria copies), not distributed

You are here quoting figures

Gombs:
What about the work of ministry? What about church staff salaries? What about church projects? What about.. who foots the bill? How should the church take the gospel form say Lagos to Sri Lanka?

Remember the words of Hagin in this book?

So because these things you mentioned ought to be done, u now mandate it abi

What happened to an appeal, a minister who list's these activities before the brethren & tells them to give for it as they propose in their heart will have those things done

The reason most people tithe is because of the fear factor!! Take that away, no one will pay tithe

Did Paul not have ministry needs? How did he meet them?

In Pauline epistles, what we have are collections for the poor & free will giving's, none was commanded or mandated.

I keep asking if tithe is as important as it is being preached, why can't you find a direct scripture telling Christians to tithe? After all Paul was very knowledgeable in the law


Before you send me to the gallows, check my stand on tithes, I wrote it on this thread!!!

[quote author=BabaGnoni ]Not so fast Watson. Showing, identifying and pointing out, is not criticizing but is giving advance warning and cautionary signs[/quote]while your post might show the above on the surface but a deep study of your posts with respect to WOF will show its true nature, it's filled with criticisms!!!!

The tone of ur posts, has this authority of what this folks are doing is wrong & you have the authority to criticize them or tell them where they have gotten it wrong

Infact one would almost say, that's your calling

when I preach to people then, I don't tell them go to a bible believing church, NO!!! I tell them go to Christ embassy, because that's where I'm & I believe in what they preach


yes, presently I don't point them there but hope u get my point.
You have spent months telling folks how the WOF has missed it, never have I seen you proffering a solution, never I have seen you making recommendation of where they should worship or how they should worship

This & this has gotten it wrong, but you haven't told them who is getting it right

Someone visits that thread & sees "the errors" of his church, the question then becomes where do I go from here ? Answers which you haven't provided, it appears you derive joy from punching holes into the WOF circle

You need to go read the Midas touch, if not the whole book, but the chapter he talked about maintaining a balance in teaching Gods words, showing the two extremes on doctrines/teachings of Gods word & how certain extremities are helpful

You my friend hasn't been preaching the gospel of jesus on NL but have gone on a criticizing spree!!

Just as Gombs said, most of you haven't done. Proper study on the minister's you critize, you havent listened to his messages over time for you to know the thrusts of his message or what he stands for, you simply base your talk on excerpts from his teaching or what people are saying & that is so so wrong

Just like Father Abraham told Lazarus, if they wouldnt pay attention now or take notice of the warnings now "writing the book, pastoring the church, preaching the gospel the way it ought to be preached... then come tell us to learn from you" would have no benefit

If any WOFers had written the above, you will send them to the gallows & embark on another epistle on how they twist scripture to their advantage

but I'm not surprised, my stand still remains we know in parts & we'll should recognize & respect that

I'll believe everyone here has the Holy Spirit(I know u might disagree-no qualms) & even at that we have had major/minor disagreement on Gods word, a book authored by the same spirit that leaves in us

The question becomes why? Why the disagreement if truly the same spirit?

so long as we all are at different level of walk & relationship with him, we all will continue to see things differently. The earlier you embrace this, the better

most times you want your word to be final & not questioned(the very thing you accuse Wof for)

I will leave you with this

A young couple moves into a new neighborhood. The next morning while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbor hanging the wash
outside.

"That laundry is not very clean; she doesn't know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap." Her husband looks on, remaining silent. Every time her neighbor hangs her wash to dry, the young woman makes the same
comments.

A month later, the woman is surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and says to her husband: "Look, she's finally learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this? The husband replies, "I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows." And so it is with life... What we see when watching others depends on the clarity of the window through which we look

culled from Facebook

obbasiasa:
lady, I think its the proper thing to read from the beginning of a trend when you enter newly. So if u hv done that, you will know that my comment which you refer to is not for the op, rather for a bloc brain that needs help to understand... But a question for you, who do you want to provide consumable materials to treat a patient? In the developed countries which you mayb want to copy, its not the government that does that, its the health insurance agency, so if u hv a suggestion, pls say it. Remember that you should be realistic n logical

I thought you were referring to the op because you didn't quite anyone

On the issue of the provision of consumable material, might I ask whose responsibility it is to provide those items within the Nigerian system, is it the government or the hospital management or insurance? Which please because I don't know, though I'll guess hospital management since funds are released by the government for its upkeep

I have replied ur PM by the way

BabaGnoni:
Like Paul...

²⁴Suddenly, Festus shouted, “Paul, you are insane. Too much study has made you crazy!”

²⁵But Paul replied, “I am not insane, Most Excellent Festus. What I am saying is the sober truth.
²⁶And King Agrippa knows about these things. I speak boldly, for I am sure these events are all familiar to him, for they were not done in a corner!
²⁷King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do—”

²⁸Agrippa interrupted him. “Do you think you can persuade me to become a Christian so quickly?”

²⁹Paul replied,
“Whether quickly or not, I pray to God that both you and everyone here in this audience might become the same as I am, except for these chains.”

- Acts 26:25-29 NLT

Dont tell me you didnt understand the question i asked

Dont take that word "systematically" in isolation

Paul wasnt counseling them there!!!!

Dr myles Munroe counseled presidents of nations, you think he didnt preach christ to them, how do you offer guidance to your superiors in your workplace? so for every challenge that comes up, you keep telling them about jesus or reminding them that if they had given their hearts to christ they would have known what to do

BabaGnoni:
The Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is the principality behind these personalities making name(s) for themselves, lapping up adulation, lapping up idolization, lapping up fame, and/or building empires (e.g. multi-million dollar church ministry/church building/television ministry etc)

The influence of the Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is so strong, that those personalising the Gospel become bold enough to name the labour of love and work of the Kingdom after themselves (e.g. Pastor XYZ Media Ministries, Pastor Joe Bloggs Ministries etc)
The labour of love, work of the Gospel, Bibles, institutions (e.g. universities etc) are named after them whilst alive and not even posthumously

They personalise the gospel enough, that it is unavoidably evident that the "ministries" are one-man shows and/or operations, which after the namesakes dies, will decrease and gradually fade out before coming to an end because they are personality and not God driven ministries

They personalise the gospel to perfection, they even have personnels or “armour-bearers” to carry their personals (e.g. umbrellas, mobile phones, Bibles, hymn books, man-purse etc)
They don’t travel any more different than the next person, but are bent on acquiring personal jet to move about.

They've personalised the gospel enough to cling on, dearly to positions, forming MOG, and claiming release or exception from stepping down or submitting to counseling during/after divorce or separation (i.e. they are above that)
Personalised the gospel enough that extramarital affairs, divorce and/or separation is OK, as the demands of the ministry takes heavy tolls on marriages.
Personalised the gospel enough for personal enrichment through living off tithes and offerings, seed money, first fruits offering etc and through misinterpreting and misquoting bible verses and twisting the bible for other ulterior and financial motives

They have become so self absorbed hence the dependence on and/or trust in their own names as opposed to trusting in Jesus' name
They personalised the gospel by adding letters after their titles or have initials following their names, so as to be above and have authority over common person

Personalised the gospel enough that they have become the focus of a substantial/significant cult following of die-hards
They have a following of people, draw attention to themselves instead of constantly pointing others to Jesus

They advertise retreats, revivals, conferences on buses, tabloids, TV channels, magazines etc personalised with their pictures prominently displayed on the adverts, flyers, billboards etc
Their visits to other gatherings are personal to them, as they expect to have either a seat on the altar or a front row cushioned seat.

They promote their books, always called a “your life will never be the same best seller” even though it's not
Also one of the main reasons for personalising the Gospel, is to separate and legally guarantee that the incomes/revenues generated from authorship (i.e. proceeds of books sales etc) are exclusively for them and not for the "church"

Resorting to self-image (i.e. elevating self instead of elevating God) and when names are put on things, points to the person
but in this business of the Father, the rule of thumb is to always point to Jesus Christ whom we are supposed to be serving and not us
Afterall when the dust settles, one name remains above every name (i.e. Jesus')
and only what is done for and/or named after Jesus will last

- /EXCERPT -
PERSONALIZING THE GOSPEL
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/23#26653664

we agree that some ministers have done and are doing the above points listed, but we are talking about Dr Myles Munroe for now. you are grouping everyone under this WOF umbrella

I have to go with Gombs on this

Its not enough to criticize, you show the way!!! show how it ought to be done

dont just sit on the sidewalks and criticize!!

write the book, pastor the church, preach the gospel the way it ought to be preached... then come tell us to learn from you

WinsomeX:
^^^

The question that need be asked is this: does he distinguish his role as a Pastor from that of a secular teacher?

yes he did, go thru this website
https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/about-us/mylesmunroeinternational/

How many of those books preach Christ and the gospel of the kingdom?

how many of his books have you read? how many of his messages have you listened to? for you to conclude he hasnt preached enough of christ?


from this link below, you will find that it wasn't called a christian conference, the objectives were clearly written

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/events/global-leadership-forum/

the bigger tragedy is having a set of Christians today who think that what Myles Munroe and his friends preach is the gospel

Myles Munroe preaches the gospel but nobody will think and say that, that summit or other programs he had outside the church was about christ or the gospel

the general assumption could be that its about the gospel since he is a pastor, but the invitation card, website, flyers are pretty clear about it

will this faulty assumption by folks be the preachers fault?

How will I counsel the nation President? I will do it in Jesus name. I will explore every opportunity I have to save some. That's Christian preaching and living

you are not getting my point, lets assusme Ban ki moon(UN SEC GEN) or Iranian President, meets you for counsel on matters concerning their state, how will you counsel them? is that the time to preach the gospel to them? to tell them that when & if they give accept the lordship of jesus, their problem will be over? is that it?

Was that what Joseph did to Pharaoh? to tell him about Jehovah and how great he was?

what about Daniel?

there are minister who counsel leaders of industry, presidents of nations and associations on a constant basis, providing counsel/solutions to their problem while systematically preaching the gospel to them!!

shdemidemi:
Does he do his secular teachings under the umbrella of the church?

Pls go thru this website

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/about-us/mylesmunroeinternational/

it will give you clarity, this is not his church's website

WinsomeX:
@nanny, a simple question please: where is the gospel in that schedule? I won't even ask where is the name Christ. That will be far-fetched, just show me a hint of the gospel in those titles, then we can proceed.

You are getting it all wrong!!!!

He didn't call it church programme neither did he tell you the summit was about Jesus!!


If a pastor who happens to be a programmer should hold summit in web design, will you fault him for doing that?

Go through the schedule & tell me where he got it wrong, the schedule will tell you the objective of the summit

Might I ask you how you will counsel the president of a nation who is an atheist or Moslem? assuming he is faced with a decision that could cause war? How will you go about it?

Sometimes Christians are so heavenly conscious but earthly daft!!! i know we are pilgrims on earth but we are also suppose to make the earth better, help in solving problems and not contribute to it or be passive about events while on earth

they cant hold any meaningful conversation outside the bible, talk about the world events or some technological revolution and they will be aloof

Dr Myles Munroe was able to make those distinction between both worlds, his message on the kingdom of God will help doubters get a full picture of what I'm talking about

WinsomeX:
How do you justify a so called Christian minister doing such "business" when the Master said freely you have received, freely give.



Of course very word may not be a sermon. But can't it be?

Even if I admit that every word of a minister is not a sermon, a conference of that magnitude with advertised paid entry, does it sound like every word to you? Does it sound like everyday regular talk?

Well, let me remind you what I said: Munroe did not preach Jesus' gospel. He preached another gospel. Now that he is dead may he find mercy with his God. If however he would be judged on the "gospel" he preached, your guess is as good as mine. And if you cannot guess what I am thinking, I can understand why threads like this run 60+ pages.

I hope we will not be at logger heads again

From your statements its obvious you dont know myles munroe, i want to crave your indulgence just to do a little read up on him

Below is the schedule for the 2014 edition of the leadership summit that was supposed to hold and kindly tell me where he got it wrong or made merchandize of the gospel

[size=15pt]2014 GLOBAL LEADERSHIP FORUM
NOVEMBER 1O-13, 2014- FREEPORT GRAND BAHAMA
“Leading Change in a Globalized World Through Principled Innovative Leadership”[/size]
--- SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE ---
SUNDAY November 9th
10:00am-12:30pm Session#1“THE ROLE OF SPIRITUALITY IN GLOBAL LEADERSHIP” Dr. Jerry Horner
MONDAY November 10th - OPENING CELEBRATION
8:00am-12:00pm Registration (Convention Center)
9:30am-11:00am Formal Opening Ceremonies
10:00am-11:00am Session #2 “THE PRICE OF LEADERSHIP” Amb. Andrew Young
11:00am-11:30am Announcements & Networking Break
TRACK #1 - PERSONAL LEADERSHIP& GLOBALIZATION
11:30am-12:30pm Session #3 "THE CONCEPT & PRINCIPLES OF GLOBALIZATION" Dr. Myles Munroe
12:30pm-1:30pm Session #4 "THE CHALLENGE OF LEADING IN GLOBALIZATION" Dr. SiphamandlaZondi
1:30pm Break for Lunch & Free Time
5:00pm-6:30pm Delegates Orientation &VIP Leadership Reception Ministry of Tourism
7:00pm-7:30pm Session #5 Opening Plenary Sessions&ITWLA Awards Presentation
7:30pm-8:30pm “GLOBALIZATION &INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIZATION” Dr. SiphamandlaZondi
8:30pm-10:00PM “10 PRINCIPLES OF CHANGE, INNOVATION & LEADERSHIP” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:30pm-10:00pm Closing Remarks
TUESDAY November 11th - TRACK #1 - CORPORATE LEADERSHIP & GLOBALIZATION
8:00am-9:00am Session #6“GLOBALIZATION & THE CLASH OF NATIONAL CULTURE” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:00am-10:00am Session #7“LEADING CHANGE IN A GLOBALIZED THIRD WORLD” Amb. Andrew Young
10:00am-11:00am Session #8“WOMEN IN POLITICS IN A GLOBALIZED WORLD” Hon. Sharon Ffolkes-Abrahams
11:00am-11:30am Announcements & Networking Break
11:30am-12:30pm Session #9 “THE CHALLENGE OF MORALITY IN A GLOBALIZED WORLD” Rev. Raphael Massiah
12:30pm-1:30pm Session #10“KEYS TO BUILDING THE WINNERS EDGE IN LEADERSHIP” Mr. Bob Harrison
1:30pm-2:15pm Break for Lunch
2:30pm-4:00pm Next Generation Leaders Forum Dr. MylesMunroe & Jr. Trustees
Focus: Holding Convictions in a Changing Global World
4:00pm Break& Free Time
7:00pm-7:30pm Plenary Session &ITWLA Awards Presentation
7:30pm-8:30pm Session #11 “WOMEN, EQUALITY & GLOBAL LEADERSHIP” Pas. Sylvia Jordan
8:30pm-9:30pm Session #12 “GENDER EQUALITY IN THE GLOBAL VILLAGE ’’ Hon. Sharon Ffolkes-Abrahams
9:30pm-10:00pm Closing Remarks
WEDNESDAY November 12Th - TRACK #2 - NATIONAL LEADERSHIP & GLOBALIZATION
8:00am-9:00am Session #13 “CONVICTIONS & COMPROMISE IN GLOBAL LEADERSHIP” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:00am-10:00am Session #14 “ECONOMICS & BUSINESS IN A GLOBAL WORLD” Mr. Jerome Edmondson
10:00am-11:00am Session #15 “SMALL STATES & GLOBALIZATION” Dr. Peter Morgan
11:00am-11:15am Announcements & Networking Break
11:15am-12:15pm Session #16“SPIRITUAL FOUNDATIONS IN THE GLOBAL LEADER” Dr. Jerry Horner
12:15pm-1:15pm Session#17“LEADERS VALUING VALUES IN A GLOBALIZED WORLD” Dr. Josephine Bakhuis
1:15pm-2:15pm Break for Lunch & Free Time
2:30pm-4:00pm Government & Leadership Strategy Forum
Focus: GLOBAL POWER, POLITICS, PRINCIPLES, AND SPIRITUALITY
-----Free Networking Evening----
THURSDAY November 13th - TRACK #3 - LEADERS - THE PROCESS
8:00am-9:00am Session #18 “BALANCING INSTITUTIONS & INNOVATION IN LEADERSHIP” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:00am-10:00am Session #19 “THRIVING & LEADING IN THE GLOBAL WORKPLACE” Dr. Richard Pinder
10:00am-11:00am Session #20 “LEADERSHIP CREATIVITY IN A GLOBAL WORLD” Dr. Martin Williams
11:00am-11:30am Announcements & Networking Break
11:30am-12:45pm Workshops/Seminars:
“LEADERSHIP & THE SEVEN POWERS OF GLOBAL TRANSFORMATION”
- Politics, Economics, Business, Education, Health, Law, Culture -
• Workshop/Seminar #1 - Globalization & Politics Hon. Kendal Major
• Workshop/Seminar #2 - Globalization & Economics Messrs. Graham Pitt & Werner Gruner
• Workshop/Seminar #3 - Globalization & Business Mr. Jerome Edmondson
• Workshop/Seminar #4 - Globalization & Education Dr. Patricia Morgan
• Workshop/Seminar #5 - Globalization & The Media Dr. Margaret Elcock
• Workshop/Seminar #6 - Globalization & Law Mr. MerritStorr
• Workshop/Seminar #7 - Globalization & Culture Dr. Dave Burrows

12:45pm-1:30pm Networking Break
1:30pm-3:00pm GLF Awards & Graduation Luncheon
---- END OF FORUM - ENJOY THE BAHAMAS ----
… CHANGE THROUGH LEADERSHIP…
SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
Next Generation Leaders Forum - Dr. Myles Munroe & Jr. Trustees:
FOCUS:FUTURE LEADERS HOLDING CONVICTIONS IN A CHANGING GLOBAL WORLD
PANEL:
Charlie Masala
TristaKragh
Charisa Munroe
April Ripley
Carrington Morgan
Hubert Sugira
YemiAkinsiwaju

obbasiasa:
do you expect hospital workers to work without protecting themselves? In this era of ebola n hiv/AIDS.

Lastly, I will advice you to understand things b4 you start writing, or seek for better information.

Excuse me!!! Becos they have to protect themselves, so it's the patients duty to provide it for them!!

Did you even read the post?

the last paragraph of your quote is actually meant for you & not the op

nora544:
You are right and look at this, a prosperity preacher take 199 USD only when you want to hear listen to him online on his 4 days preaching

pls have some respect for the dead, I'm sure you don't know this man!! Google his name

Check the lower left hand side of the picture you posted, you will find the objective of the summit

It was a ledearship summit & not a church programme, even though he is a pastor

Read up about him & show some respect

http://leadershipsummit1.com/speakers/dr-myles-munroe/


He was on his way to 2014 edition when his plane crashed

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/events/global-leadership-forum/

He's a well refined MOG... he did not lie here nor commit any fraud, ask SirJohn for further details, for Jo could have bribe his way out, and that'd be all but unlike trustman, he chose honesty and not reputation. He should be applauded

The reasoning ability of some folks are amazing!!!

A pastor is accused of having impregnated a girl, instead of talking about the deed done, someone is shifting focus to the fact that he didn't do an abortion to cover up & finds that action as a worthy one


1.did he have inappropriate relationship with the girl?

2.did he truly imptegnate her?

3.was such act worthy of a pastor?

4. is he remorseful of such action & Willing to pay the price of penance?

In the above scenerio, these ought to be the appropriate questions rather than focusing on the fact that an abortion wasn't procured

If joagbaje:
1.had not boasted
2. Had not challenged sirjohn
3. Had done due diligence in getting the medical report before releasing the video or giving the testimony
4. Had not place a bet(A whooping 500k)

we would not have been having these discussions

Has Jo offered an unreserved apology for doing the points I listed above?

has he learnt any lessons?

these are the crux of the matter & not that hocus pocus of not bribing someone to coverup!!!

[quote author=Gombs][/quote]It's no use telling a blind man what color the sky is!!!

I cannot reason with you!!

Gombs:
sadly true. nannymcphee too has her measure of strife and bitterness after i stopped her in her erroneous tracks,when i should be thanked for spotting and correct an error.

but like paul,non of these things move me.

Strife & bitterness against who?

Stopped who in which erroneous tracks?

What where does erroneous tracks?

did you see my post on the joabaje breaking news thread or you simply ignored it?

Can you point me to any of my post that shows strife & bitterness?

Can you make reference to any post where I used derogatory & condescending words?

Just incase you missed my post there, let me write it here

I once mistakenly wrote 8yrs instead of 18yrs & I was sent to the gallows by Gombs

I'm Surprised to see him speak here with no shame or remorse!!(I have once asked for his age & I ask again)

Below was ur response to me when I made the mistake

Gombs: very convenient 'mix up'. When you were typing on that thread, you must have been fatigued? your 'mix up' now has left your memory? a sudden amnesia i must say. Well, it's alright

no need for that ma'am. a little advice: Writing is the most expensive form of communication, and the least forgiving. Always remember that


you just lost integrity ma'am. I cannot completely trust your details anymore. If you say good morning to me now, i mst check my watch to be sure it is morning.

If you could say the above to me, for a mere typographical error(8yrs instead of 18yr)

Pls what do you have to say to Joagbaje?



you claim I lost my integrity for a typo error & that you could no longer trust me!!

But in that thread, you had no shame but went on a defense & animated Gif posting spree!!

LambanoPeace:
What's with you and age? You ask everyone how old they are... Yes, I asked him to ignore you, if you don't like the idea, then shut it. If you wanna insult me, knock yourself out, you've been drinking the wrong kind of tea lately anyway.

Shhhhhst...Gombs got you real bad, didn't he? He even gave you a memory verse

I ask of age because the answer will determine my response!! If you're a minor I'll stop disturbing myself & take it that juvenile delinquency is at work

But if you're of age & you still reason & talk this way, well I leave you to Jesus


So of all I said all you could get from it was how(your partner in crime) gave me a tough time

You left the main matter & held on to something inconsequential

Pls don't bother to quote me

I'll leave you with this verse

1corith13:11

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things


Pls do the needful!!!!!

LambanoPeace:
This bold should be archived. The underlined....hmmm, Gombs must have caused you so much pain, you had to archive the post. I wonder the day Gombs would make an error on Nairaland, he'd be skewed in the most ruthless of ways by alot of fellas here

He's got alot of fellas here ballistic. But was that why you gave us your age too? So that he can give his?

Anyways, back to the thread, I find nothing convicting Joagbaje of fraud, his only crime was being too trustful. His 'goodility' was taken advantage of. It all works for good, he's learnt a thing or two.

SirJohn, I must say thank you for letting us learn a thing or two, you said you are not here to ridicule Jo, and you were true to your words, others however shows their long bile for Joagbaje. Much respect for your composure.

Gombs, ignore nannymcphee, be careful sha, the day she'd get you for an error eh?

what is wrong with you?
Whats with you & the word archive?
did you suddenly stumble upon the word & you don't want to forget, hence the frequent usage?
How old are you?
I'm tempted to insult you but I won't cave in

I made a typo(8yr instead of 18yrs), Gombs proceeded to tell me I have lost my INTEGRITY & told me that " Writing is the most expensive form of communication, and the least forgiving"

So what does he have to say of Joagbaje who is being accused of fraud & here you are telling him to ignore me!!

Can someone pls give me a rundown of what's really happening here

My observations/questions

1. The YouTube video was probably compressed so one might understand the need to verify the identity of the testifier(compression-video quality was compromised)

[size=15pt]BUT[/size]

the master copy will be clear as heaven, proper scrutiny would be applied, how then can you mix up someone who testified & the insert video of when he was being prayed for?

3. Why send a video to someone asking him, if he is the one in the video?(you yourself u nor know who you pray for again?)

2. Without physical evidence of a medical report, why take Jeff's word for it & why was proper investigation not done, before publishing it to the whole world

3.can someone pls explain why the medical report shown here is having 8/11/2014?

Is that a new test was performed & the guy is still negative?

4. That 500k must be paid o


I once mistakenly wrote 8yrs instead of 18yrs & I was sent to the gallows by Gombs

I'm Surprised to see him speak here with no shame or remorse!!(I have once asked for his age & I ask again)

Gombs: very convenient 'mix up'. When you were typing on that thread, you must have been fatigued? your 'mix up' now has left your memory? a sudden amnesia i must say. Well, it's alright

no need for that ma'am. a little advice: Writing is the most expensive form of communication, and the least forgiving. Always remember that


you just lost integrity ma'am. I cannot completely trust your details anymore. If you say good morning to me now, i mst check my watch to be sure it is morning.

If you could say the above to me, for a mere typographical error(8yrs instead of 18yr)

Pls what do you have to say to Joagbaje?

Haba, not even one

brocab:

Pls work on the format of your posts, it's difficult to read becos they are lengthy with no paragraphs

No response

pls anyone with info on any good place where one can learn how to sew

Pls does anyone know any good fashion school in ekiti state

mbaemeka:
Nannymcphee,

I read your post and I agree with some things even as I disagree with some others. I don't believe we can curtail how much or how fast someone can get anything through faith from God. So I would be very careful about mixing everything when I am telling them about God so that they don't get shortchanged by the devil and then think that sovereignty played a part e.g Daniel's prayer etc., but I get you.

I love you too.

Agreements & disagreements makes the world go round. I don't have to believe in everything you believe but that should be made known in love

Just as I said, I view these discuss as a way of checking my convictions

Thanks

mbaemeka: You once posited that there was nothing like an instant harvest

Kindly show me where I posted this & before you do kindly check the context it was used

If anyone is fixated on getting instant miracles they should be commended and not derided.

follow the trail please, this whole thing started with the notion of getting harvest from seeds sown particularly money, it was later expanded to other parameter such as time, effort, prayers etc

while there is room for instant harvest/miracle, there is also room for patience which is also a virtue

There has to be a balance, teaching someone to grow his/her faith to level where they will get INSTANT harvest,miracle to all seeds sown(money) or prayers prayed etc is deadly & dangerous. This will bring frustration for a Christian who isn't able to achieve that, he/she will keep striving to hit this mark not knowing its not feasible

I hope you are conversant with intercessory prayers, doesn't it take time? How then do you factor in instantness in this case?

That the scriptures related instant miracles to having great faith should not also be overlooked or swept aside

Nobody is sweeping this aside, Jesus commended alot of people who had great faith or who showed faith towards God

Now Pastors who teach people to grow their faiths and expect instant miracles should be praised for trying to help people grow their faiths to the level that God expects

Ecc11:6
In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good

this teaching of instant miracle/harvest hinged on great faith will have us believe that the above scripture is faithless:I mean, it will be considered as lack of faith for you to think that one of your seeds will not produce

But the bible is showing you practical life event:it is God that knows which will prosper & when it will prosper

You can believe in him & act accordingly that all will prosper, but he determines the outcome

You must be reading another bible to claim that Hezekiah didn't get an instant miracle.

I NEVER SAID THIS!!!!!

What I said was: it was Gods mercy that gave him the elongation & not soley his faith. Hezekiah never asked for 15years.

It was not his faith that made it instant!!

are u saying his faith was so great that God couldn't wait for the prophet to leave the court before prolonging his life?

Hezekiah cried unto God & he heard his cry, the rest was Gods discretion:he could have waited 1day,1week,1month to tell him about the elongation, he could have added 5yrs, 6months or 40yrs, all these scenario would have been based on his sovereignty & not the man's faith.

At the end of the day, God doesn't live in time and so it doesn't exist to him. Anyone who comes to God must be aware of this and also aware that God rewards those that seek him

I concur

But if we expect an instant miracle but it takes time then nothing is wrong (and I have never said anything was)

EXACTLY, some miracles will definitely take time

But there are different levels of receiving and we should desire to grow to the highest

Even the highest level doesn't guarantee instantness in all situations

I know you will ask me for Ebola and Bokoharam and even if I say anything you would conclude that I am a liar so I would recycle an old testimony I have. I prayed for someone with full-blown AIDS and I expected an instant miracle. The guy still died. (Don't tell me anything about sovereignty, sickness is of the devil and God came to destroy the works of the devil). Shortly after, I prayed for someone else that was bedridden and she got up INSTANTLY. It shocked even those around me.

I am still growing my faith, I never claimed to have attained all the heights there is to attain. I prayed for Dr Adedevoh while she was down with Ebola everyday till she was pronounced dead. It felt like my faith failed but that's not the excuse given. I didn't also use the cheapest escape route of 'sovereignty'. I told myself, "next time, I will get it right" and I will.

God bless you for this, while you're striving to become better, still know that there are some you will still miss!!

To remind you that you are nothing without God, to remind you of the need of being constantly plugged to him, to remind you of the need to always turn to him

What have you done with your faith? How much has it achieved for you? How many lost souls have you seen repent?

Only God can also tell this, not man, I have said it before, if I put up my dossier of activities in CE, you'll be amazed.

The last group I headed was over 200(not on paper, folks you can count & you know what that means in the ministry)

I have carried concrete before when we had a building project:this point is to show, I'm not proud(only God can judge this too)

Not everyone in God's house is an instrument of value. Some will get no rewards but their salvation will be intact- they are the social critics and co. Others will receive rewards for doing or at least trying to do. I am one of them,

God will be the judge of this, not you

Let him that think he standeth take heed, lest he fall

I know this is lengthy, take your time

I love you

Gombs: Reading and Comprehension deficiency syndrome. Are you suffering from congenital hypothyroidism?

And fastened on his hand - καθῆψεν kathēpsen. This word properly means to join oneself to; to touch; to adhere to. It might have been by coiling around his hand and arm, or by fastening its fangs in his hand. It is not [size=16pt]expressly affirmed that Paul was bitten by the viper[/size] yet it is evidently implied; and it is wholly incredible that a viper, [size=16pt]unless miraculously prevented[/size] should fasten himself to the hand without biting

just have an open mind, we know you have been taught that he was bitten, now the scenario is being presented in a new light, starting with the original Greek word(which doesn't suggest biting)

if you we're watching someone from afar, seeing a snake coiled around any part of his body, won't you assume he will be bitten, if yes( then your answer will account for the statement made by paul onlookers)

nlMediator:
WOF is not against delayed miracles. Teachings abound on what to while waiting

While they might not be against it, much emphasis is placed on getting it NOW, the same way churches are not Aainst holy living & righteousness but much emphasis is placed on prosperity and you know what that has led to today, people are no longer heavenly conscious but earthly conscious, how best they can live the good life here

We're talking instant miracles because somebody suggested that there's no such thing as an instant result from prayer

You didn't quite follow then, the issue wasn't that instant miracles/harvest wasn't possible rather it was an issue of the "instantness" being hinged on one's great faith !!

In order words, if you have great faith you can command your harvest to come now.

That's why I kicked against hezekiah's prayer as an example. Nothing there suggests that he got an instant reply from God because of his great faith but rather Gods mercy was at work there( I'm in no way saying his prayer had nothing to do with God changing his mind) but it was not his faith per say that moved God to add 15yrs INSTANTLY

Talking about instant harvest & "if thou shall say unto this mountain be that cast into the sea....." Why didn't Jesus command figs to appear on that tree that moment he needed them? After all he was hungry, this is the same Jesus that turned water into wine instantly!!!!

Maybe he didn't have "great faith" at that point!!!!

btw, Jesus said if you have faith as a muster seed(it has been established that the mustard seed is very small), one will say to the mountain

Gombs et al will have us believe that it is great faith that does the work & not the small muster seed size of faith that does the work

Just before you open ur mouth, I have the book "how to make your faith work" & I was in the meeting it was first taught:Charismatic Renewal Conference (this directed at Gombs)

I was of the opinion before that he was bit but studying it again, it wasn’t expressly written. This act could be similar to that of Daniel in the den, the lion’s mouth was shut

The bible says Paul shook the snake off, if truly the viper fastend his fang on his hand, will it just take a shaking to pull if off?

Either way, at the end of the day, this scripture was fulfilled

Mar 16:18

They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover


[size=13pt]John Gill Exposition on the Bible[/size]

and fastened on his hand; or wrapped itself about his hand: the Syriac and Arabic versions render it, "bit his hand"; but that does not seem so likely, since he felt no harm by it; the Ethiopic version, "hung upon his hand"; which agrees with what follows; nor is it inconsistent with its wrapping itself about his hand, which is the more proper signification of the word used.

[size=13pt]Albert Barnes Note on the bible[/size]

And fastened on his hand - καθῆψεν kathēpsen. This word properly means to join oneself to; to touch; to adhere to. It might have been by coiling around his hand and arm, or by fastening its fangs in his hand. It is not expressly affirmed that Paul was bitten by the viper, yet it is evidently implied; and it is wholly incredible that a viper, unless miraculously prevented, should fasten himself to the hand without biting.

daniwealth:
My Dear been Abraham seed by faith,we should do,the same as he did

With all due respect sir, since you're Abraham's seed by faith & you must act the same way, kindly do the following:

1. start an affair with your maid with the consent of your wife(if married)or mother(if unmarried)

2. drive the said maid if & when she becomes unruly

3. Offer burnt sacrifices to God almighty, infact you should display ur love for God by tying up your child on alter, attempt to stab him/her(don't worry God will speak out)

His wealth and greatness were all traceable to Tithing

Sir, Abraham's wealth/greatness came as a result of the covenant & not the tithing

I earnestly wait for the results of the 3steps I outlined above

mbaemeka:
Nonsense. God always had his sovereignty even before he mentioned faith. Yet his words tell us that faith is what causes him to react. Because you saw someone ask doesn't mean he did it in faith after all we can see people even on NL who claim that they ask God and accept anything that comes their way as his response yet James said that is not faith. How can we tell that someone asked in faith? He will receive because faith always receives. So the question about not changing the situation should be directed at Paul and not NL. We saw God reveal Hezekiah's death to him, we saw God reveal the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah to Abraham etc. In both situations God showed a willingness to change his mind.

In other words, the man who doesn't receive does not have faith?