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deborah777:
Just for curiousity to understand CE more. I do not plan to join with them.

Well I can't be of help then, firstly it's not wise to wash dirty linens in public

One thing I can say is this, if you are focused on God & his word while there, you will grow, I said this because you will see a lot of things that will distract & discourage you.

if you are fortunate to have a good leader, then your growth will be fast but if not, sorry for you

I was blessed to have a good leader, taught me how to listen to messages, taught me how to pray, how to give, how to go for evangelism etc

during take off or landing, If you are experiencing pains in your ear, kindly do ANY of the following

1.pinch your nose(block ur nostrils) & blow out breath with ur mouth closed:this is known as Valsalva maneuver
2. chew gum
3. Swallow your saliva repeatedly

If you are with a child or toddler, give them gum to chew or a sucker to suck.

When my plane was descending, my ears almost popped out, I didn't know any of the above then, I firmly closed my ears all to no avail

Just a piece of advice

during take off or landing, If you are experiencing pains in your ear, kindly do ANY of the following

1.pinch your nose(block ur nostrils) & blow out breath with ur mouth closed:this is known as Valsalva maneuver
2. chew gum
3. Swallow your saliva repeatedly

If you are with a child or toddler, give them gum to chew or a sucker to suck.

When my plane was descending, my ears almost popped out, I didn't know any of the above then, I firmly closed my ears all to no avail

SenatorJames:
So sad.


May God heal her perfectly

In Acts 4, the apostles prayed the prayer below, take note of the bolded

Acts 4:29
And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.


They prayed that God should stretch forth his healing hands & in the next chapter below , it is stated that signs & wonders were wrought through the hands of the apostles(but their prayer was that it should be thru Gods hands)


Acts 5:12
And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.

So sir, the healing can come thru your hands, it is said that God works thru the hearts of man

Together we can do something that will make this lady say " there is a living God"

for those that keep insisting that tithing & firstfruit is valid because the work of God must be sponsored & ministers should be supported too, bear in mind that there are direct scriptures in the NT that tells us how to do such

I'll kindly list some, but notice that they were in no way called tithe or first fruit

Galatians 6:6
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1corin9:11
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

1corin9:13
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

1 Timothy 5:18
For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

These verse teaches us as Christians to give to ministers but does not in any way label it tithe or first fruit.





Giving for the Christian is summarized in the verse below

2corin9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

the scripture tells us about Christians who sold lands/houses voluntarily & gave to the apostles, interestingly it wasn't to sponsor the work of God but to share among the needy in their midst

Acts 4:34
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

I haven't heard of the present day Christian who sold his land or house for the needy in the church rather what you have is the Christian who sells his property for one church building or program!! God help Us

salam12:
Without Fridge = 5800W daily
With Fridge = 7000W daily

Considering inverter efficiency (90%)
Without Fridge = 6380W + 200W for inverter consumption = 6580W
With Fridge = 7700W + 200W inverter consumption = 7900W

Panels Estimate = with 250W panel - 6 pieces will handle your need

Battery Estimate
50% DOD

4 pieces of 200AH will be enough for both cases

You can go for 24V or 48V inverter for both cases

Without Fridge = 1.5KV inverter should handle your load

With Fridge = 2.5KV due to surge current while starting up


Other experts and merchants can have some inputs and possible price for the items.

Cheers

Thanks, looking forward to the price breakdown, I guess u summed up my total load X runtime to get my total daily load

salam12:
For the items listed, can you state how many hours daily you plan for each.

Thanks, lets say minimum of 10hrs

pls I need an estimate (plan 1 separately & plan 1 & 2 combined ) for solar panel, inverter, battery & installation

Location:Ph

my load

Plan1:
1 LCD (180W)
4 ceiling fans( don't know it's rating)
8 energy saving bulb(20W each, total 160W)


Plan 2:
1 fridge could be added to the above(120W)



Note: In plan 1, all will not be ON at the same time & PHCN should be assumed to be non existent

Thanks

Goshen360:
The law and every ordinances (the tabernacle, tithe & first fruit inclusive) commanded are not the mind of God but a shadow of Christ & His finished works for the new covenant of which Christ is a Mediator.

New International Version
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:1

So, first fruit? Christ already fulfilled the first fruit as a foreshadow. He had given the perfect first fruit offering unto God for believers. This is 2015, those who want to allow themselves to be defrauded can continue and those who want continue in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free, we continue.

King James Bible
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:23

Let me add this

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But AFTER that faith is come, we are NO longer UNDER a schoolmaster(which is the law)


It's written in black & white, we are no longer under the LAW

samuelezekiel:
Is thou shall not kill not from the law of moses? silly question, u better pay ur first fruit, but to be since its not easy...but if u do y will see the reward

Must u insult? For ur info, the reason a Christian should not kill or cheat or lie isn't because they are written in the ten commandment(in the first place they were not given to Christians, neither is it meant for a Christian to keep excerpt u're a Jew)

A Christian shouldn't kill or cheat or steal because its against God will & purpose, its against what the spirit of God stands for

The Christian ought to live according to that which is consistent with the spirit of God

God said a new law will I write in their hearts(not ten commandment) & I'll put my spirit within them to cause them to do it

bolliejay:
The first fruits offering was an offering required by God of the Israelites.
Exodus 23:19a: "The best of the firstfruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God."
Leviticus 23:10: "'Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest."
Proverbs 3:9-10: "Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting

Q1.Pls can a Christian also abide by the admonitions below

Deuteronomy 22:5

5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

going by this, a christain lady cannot wear the brothers/husband's shirt


Deuteronomy 22:9
Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

Going by this, I must plant only one type of crop in my garden or farm, mono cropping, no mixed farming

Deuteronomy22:11
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Going by this, your clothes should either be 100% cotton or silk or polyester & not a mixture


Q2.If these laws aren't binding on a Christian, why do you think those verses on firstfruit is binding on a Christian(since all the instructions
Came from Moses)

Q2.Can you give an scriptural backing for paying if firstfruit from the New Testament?

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

Q1.Pls can a Christian also abide by the admonitions below

Deuteronomy 22:5

5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

going by this, a christain lady cannot wear the brothers/husband's shirt


Deuteronomy 22:9
Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

Going by this, I must plant only one type of crop in my garden or farm, mono cropping, no mixed farming

Deuteronomy22:11
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Going by this, your clothes should either be 100% cotton or silk or polyester & not a mixture


Q2.If these laws aren't binding on a Christian, why do you think those verses on firstfruit is binding on a Christian(since all the instructions
Came from Moses)

Q2.Can you give an scriptural backing for paying if firstfruit from the New Testament?

eselesplash:
Obulu

Congrats dearie

Would I be correct to say that ur wedding took place at Holy Spirit Catholic Church

Any new info about what the new tariff will be come January 2015

Delta steel company is dead

Ajaokuta steel is dead

Electricity is dead

security is bad

To the best of my knowledge, The locally assembled car hasn't been tested

I don't think they have done a crash test

I don't think they are suitable for Our bad roads

are the mechanic's available?

why not put some of these things in place before discouraging importation?

the government ought to declare assembled in Nigeria cars as official vehicles, that will be a start

Then a massive advertising campaign to the public because as of now, I don't know anything about them

!

BizBloke:
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Hi NannyMcPhee,

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Product Cost: $29.09

Freight Fee: $13
Service Charge: $5

Sub-Total: $47.09
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TOTAL: $47.09 (N8,950)

ETA to Specuit Cargo (USA) is between Jan, 15 - Feb, 5, 2015.

[size=13pt]INVOICE (NORMAL)[/size]
Product Cost: $29.09

Freight Fee: $10
Service Charge: $5

Sub-Total: $44.09
Discount: -$0.00

TOTAL: $44.09 (N8,380)

ETA to Specuit Cargo (USA) is between Jan, 15 - Feb, 5, 2015.

Thanks.[/color]

Thanks, I need it like yesterday!! This time frame won't do it for me

when I exhaust my options I might settle for this

Pls give me quote for this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MRX90ZY/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ARBNT40Z76YH5

Qty-1
final destination-Benin city

How long will it take to arrive here? a.expiediated
b.normal

Pls give me quote for this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MRX90ZY/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ARBNT40Z76YH5

Qty-1
final destination-Benin city

How long will it take to arrive here? a.expiediated
b.normal

nora544:
so you must get now an award that you are a tru christian sorry but you are not better than your oga at the top.

Her lordship, honorable judge Nora! I would want to assume ur English isn't good becos of your native German language

thanks for passing judgement, I never stated what the award was for, so I don't know where u got "the true christain" line from

I'm sure u saw the line where I stated I didn't attend the ceremony!!

By the way, there was an award given to a woman for "a personal commitment to the ministry", guess what? it had nothing to do with how much she gave(in fact it was evident she wasn't rich)

The things they listed included coming to church early & frequently, sweeping the church etc

kindly go thru my post to know what I stand for, until then don't comment, just observe

lastmessenger:
Maybe you are different cos I know many of them boast a lot. By the way next time try help a struggling brother. I know there are many of them in your church and your joy will know no bound.

Herein lies my problem with you!! How do you know I haven't helped people who are struggling?

Should I come here to blow my trumpet? I was addressing only Gombs & no one else when I mentioned the award

only Gombs & any CE member will understand the award thing, but Gombs especially cos we have a history

I don't want to use insulting words, hope u saw where I wrote it that I didn't attend the ceremony & that i'm at the verge of leaving the church!

If I was boasting, why didn't I attend the ceremony?

Do me a Favour & go thru all my post, you'll understand where am coming from, until then don't comment, just observe

lastmessenger:
Boasting sister. You are high on the their deceptive schemes. Keep giving to those who deny the faith by not providing for their family.

Young man!!! you don't where I'm coming from, those that have been following my post will understand the angle I'm coming from

I wasn't boasting, though what I said was the truth, there was a tint of sacarsm to it!!

modified

deborah777:
I meant blogs of those ppl whose experiences in ce had not been so good -which glassifies under spiritual abuse- and who want to warn other or just share their experiences via blogging.

Why do you want to hear their experiences?

Are you about to join or you're already there?

@Gombs, seasons greetings!!! how u dey?

you're very correct about being at the verge of leaving. Guess what CE Edo state had its award night yesterday, I was among the top 60 partners(I didn't attend by the way)

so I know about giving, so when I talk listen to me

sufido123:
The names of the deceased are: Teidi Tosin Olawale (from Osun State, BSc Computer Science); Nkwazema Anslem Chukwunonyerem (Imo State, HND Electrical Electronic Engineering), Okpokiri Obinna Michael (Abia State, BSc Environmental Management), Adowei Elliot (Bayelsa State, BSc Computer Science) and Adewunmi Seun Paul (Ekiti State, BSc, Social Sciences).

Others are Adeniji Kehinde Jehleel (Osun State, BSc Banking & Finance), Gbenjo Ebenezer Ayotunde (Osun State, BSc, Education Economics), Ukeoma Ikechukwu Chibuzor (Imo State, BSc Medical Microbiology) and Akonyi Ibrahim Sule (Kogi State, HND Business Administration).

This is no laughing matter! We should not let history repeat itself. Not in 2015. Let us all say never again! If you vote for Buhari, you would have ratified the killings of these innocent Nigerians and their blood would invariably be on your neck!

Did ur GEJ give these departed patriotic citizens a national burial? Where they honored for having died in service to their country?

what did ur GEJ do about the immigration death?

What did he do to the minister who opened his mouth to say that the deceased were at fault?

Prodeegee:
None of these pictures prove anything tho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMef3Xt0IHk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw-aaFPLOdw

Above is proof, it's aljazeera documentary on it, they even came to Benin city

If I have time, I might upload some screenshot

nora544:
I just see a new way to get money out of his followers

Adeboye make an advertisement about a book on his facebook

Get a Copy of Be The Best, Be The Very Best by @PastorEAAdeboye now on Amazon Store . Click the link http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXU1P7Y

People bought it but didnot get anythink. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXU1P7Y

Book Description
Publication Date: June 8, 2014
Be The Very Best is a book that talks about God's purpose for your life. It is about been not the best but the very best. First Place is better than Second Place just as Gold is far more valuable than Silver. So in life if you want to be the best, strive to be the very best. This book written by Pastor E.A Adeboye (General Overseer, RCCG WorldWide) shares with us the secrets on how to become the very best in life.

It's coming to a month now and the book hasn't Downloaded yet!!!! I have done everything I can and they keep on telling me there is an error!!!! And worse still I can even purchase a new one I need help!!

I know it is only small money but when you have many people who will buy it he will get much money.

He always write My Father in heaven
My Father says I should tell you, you have knocked on that door of success/promotion before and they said No. Go back now and the answer will be YES. Because ‪#‎JESUS‬ has made a way.

I learn that it is our father in heaven and not only the father of Adeboye or has he an other God.

Sincerely I don't know what your issue is with ministers of the gospel!!

If a man has 4 kids & one of them makes a statement to the other three, that " my father says" he has in no way implied that his father isn't their father also, just that he is laying emphasis

when the the prophet cried out, Elisha or Elijah, can't remember which he said "my father my father...."

wasn't he the God of the whole Israel? Why didn't the prophet say our father?

WinsomeX:
wow!!!

I envy you o. Can we have a thread discuss on some of their contents either as you read or when you're finished.

My, my... enjoy every moment with them.

I'll try but no promises o, dunno if I'll have time to type & post(since I can't copy, it's not an ecopy)

But I might put up quotes I find notable

I guess u are familiar with two of the titles, the "path to wealth" was written in 1988, Hagin referenced it in the Midas touch, I kind of liked that quote, hence my getting the book to see what the author has to say though he is pro tithe

WinsomeX:
No I have not. Not having placed it on my scale of preference for duties.

I trust you are enjoying your weekend. BTW, you didn't reply my PM.

Cheers.

compliments of season!!!!

my books have finally arrived

Pls I need a Samsung galaxy S3, do u currently have one

Paul once boasted that he knew the law better.."Pharisee of the Pharisee, teacher of the law " so he understood the concept of tithing & first fruit more than anyone else

How come he missed it in teaching it to the gentile whom he introduced Christ to, a race that knew nothing about Christ or even the Old Testament practice?

If the tithing/first fruit is as important as it is being preached today, how come Paul, john, James or peters(authors of the epistles) didn't mention it for once?

the summary for giving for the Christian is embedded in 2 cor9:7

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver

tithing & first fruit goes against the bolded, the church is the one proposing for the Christian & not the Christian setting out what he/she wants to give!!

If no one agrees with all I have written, kindly show me New Testament scriptures, admonishing us to give first fruit

Just a food for thought

www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/god-create-poor/#sthash.J4ELQBXg.dpuf