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for those that keep insisting that tithing & firstfruit is valid because the work of God must be sponsored & ministers should be supported too, bear in mind that there are direct scriptures in the NT that tells us how to do such

I'll kindly list some, but notice that they were in no way called tithe or first fruit

Galatians 6:6
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1corin9:11
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

1corin9:13
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

1 Timothy 5:18
For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

These verse teaches us as Christians to give to ministers but does not in any way label it tithe or first fruit.





Giving for the Christian is summarized in the verse below

2corin9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

the scripture tells us about Christians who sold lands/houses voluntarily & gave to the apostles, interestingly it wasn't to sponsor the work of God but to share among the needy in their midst

Acts 4:34
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

I haven't heard of the present day Christian who sold his land or house for the needy in the church rather what you have is the Christian who sells his property for one church building or program!! God help Us

salam12:
Without Fridge = 5800W daily
With Fridge = 7000W daily

Considering inverter efficiency (90%)
Without Fridge = 6380W + 200W for inverter consumption = 6580W
With Fridge = 7700W + 200W inverter consumption = 7900W

Panels Estimate = with 250W panel - 6 pieces will handle your need

Battery Estimate
50% DOD

4 pieces of 200AH will be enough for both cases

You can go for 24V or 48V inverter for both cases

Without Fridge = 1.5KV inverter should handle your load

With Fridge = 2.5KV due to surge current while starting up


Other experts and merchants can have some inputs and possible price for the items.

Cheers

Thanks, looking forward to the price breakdown, I guess u summed up my total load X runtime to get my total daily load

salam12:
For the items listed, can you state how many hours daily you plan for each.

Thanks, lets say minimum of 10hrs

pls I need an estimate (plan 1 separately & plan 1 & 2 combined ) for solar panel, inverter, battery & installation

Location:Ph

my load

Plan1:
1 LCD (180W)
4 ceiling fans( don't know it's rating)
8 energy saving bulb(20W each, total 160W)


Plan 2:
1 fridge could be added to the above(120W)



Note: In plan 1, all will not be ON at the same time & PHCN should be assumed to be non existent

Thanks

Goshen360:
The law and every ordinances (the tabernacle, tithe & first fruit inclusive) commanded are not the mind of God but a shadow of Christ & His finished works for the new covenant of which Christ is a Mediator.

New International Version
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:1

So, first fruit? Christ already fulfilled the first fruit as a foreshadow. He had given the perfect first fruit offering unto God for believers. This is 2015, those who want to allow themselves to be defrauded can continue and those who want continue in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free, we continue.

King James Bible
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:23

Let me add this

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But AFTER that faith is come, we are NO longer UNDER a schoolmaster(which is the law)


It's written in black & white, we are no longer under the LAW

samuelezekiel:
Is thou shall not kill not from the law of moses? silly question, u better pay ur first fruit, but to be since its not easy...but if u do y will see the reward

Must u insult? For ur info, the reason a Christian should not kill or cheat or lie isn't because they are written in the ten commandment(in the first place they were not given to Christians, neither is it meant for a Christian to keep excerpt u're a Jew)

A Christian shouldn't kill or cheat or steal because its against God will & purpose, its against what the spirit of God stands for

The Christian ought to live according to that which is consistent with the spirit of God

God said a new law will I write in their hearts(not ten commandment) & I'll put my spirit within them to cause them to do it

bolliejay:
The first fruits offering was an offering required by God of the Israelites.
Exodus 23:19a: "The best of the firstfruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God."
Leviticus 23:10: "'Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest."
Proverbs 3:9-10: "Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting

Q1.Pls can a Christian also abide by the admonitions below

Deuteronomy 22:5

5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

going by this, a christain lady cannot wear the brothers/husband's shirt


Deuteronomy 22:9
Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

Going by this, I must plant only one type of crop in my garden or farm, mono cropping, no mixed farming

Deuteronomy22:11
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Going by this, your clothes should either be 100% cotton or silk or polyester & not a mixture


Q2.If these laws aren't binding on a Christian, why do you think those verses on firstfruit is binding on a Christian(since all the instructions
Came from Moses)

Q2.Can you give an scriptural backing for paying if firstfruit from the New Testament?

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

Q1.Pls can a Christian also abide by the admonitions below

Deuteronomy 22:5

5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

going by this, a christain lady cannot wear the brothers/husband's shirt


Deuteronomy 22:9
Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

Going by this, I must plant only one type of crop in my garden or farm, mono cropping, no mixed farming

Deuteronomy22:11
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Going by this, your clothes should either be 100% cotton or silk or polyester & not a mixture


Q2.If these laws aren't binding on a Christian, why do you think those verses on firstfruit is binding on a Christian(since all the instructions
Came from Moses)

Q2.Can you give an scriptural backing for paying if firstfruit from the New Testament?

eselesplash:
Obulu

Congrats dearie

Would I be correct to say that ur wedding took place at Holy Spirit Catholic Church

Any new info about what the new tariff will be come January 2015

Delta steel company is dead

Ajaokuta steel is dead

Electricity is dead

security is bad

To the best of my knowledge, The locally assembled car hasn't been tested

I don't think they have done a crash test

I don't think they are suitable for Our bad roads

are the mechanic's available?

why not put some of these things in place before discouraging importation?

the government ought to declare assembled in Nigeria cars as official vehicles, that will be a start

Then a massive advertising campaign to the public because as of now, I don't know anything about them

!

BizBloke:
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Thanks, I need it like yesterday!! This time frame won't do it for me

when I exhaust my options I might settle for this

Pls give me quote for this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MRX90ZY/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ARBNT40Z76YH5

Qty-1
final destination-Benin city

How long will it take to arrive here? a.expiediated
b.normal

Pls give me quote for this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MRX90ZY/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ARBNT40Z76YH5

Qty-1
final destination-Benin city

How long will it take to arrive here? a.expiediated
b.normal

nora544:
so you must get now an award that you are a tru christian sorry but you are not better than your oga at the top.

Her lordship, honorable judge Nora! I would want to assume ur English isn't good becos of your native German language

thanks for passing judgement, I never stated what the award was for, so I don't know where u got "the true christain" line from

I'm sure u saw the line where I stated I didn't attend the ceremony!!

By the way, there was an award given to a woman for "a personal commitment to the ministry", guess what? it had nothing to do with how much she gave(in fact it was evident she wasn't rich)

The things they listed included coming to church early & frequently, sweeping the church etc

kindly go thru my post to know what I stand for, until then don't comment, just observe

lastmessenger:
Maybe you are different cos I know many of them boast a lot. By the way next time try help a struggling brother. I know there are many of them in your church and your joy will know no bound.

Herein lies my problem with you!! How do you know I haven't helped people who are struggling?

Should I come here to blow my trumpet? I was addressing only Gombs & no one else when I mentioned the award

only Gombs & any CE member will understand the award thing, but Gombs especially cos we have a history

I don't want to use insulting words, hope u saw where I wrote it that I didn't attend the ceremony & that i'm at the verge of leaving the church!

If I was boasting, why didn't I attend the ceremony?

Do me a Favour & go thru all my post, you'll understand where am coming from, until then don't comment, just observe

lastmessenger:
Boasting sister. You are high on the their deceptive schemes. Keep giving to those who deny the faith by not providing for their family.

Young man!!! you don't where I'm coming from, those that have been following my post will understand the angle I'm coming from

I wasn't boasting, though what I said was the truth, there was a tint of sacarsm to it!!

modified

deborah777:
I meant blogs of those ppl whose experiences in ce had not been so good -which glassifies under spiritual abuse- and who want to warn other or just share their experiences via blogging.

Why do you want to hear their experiences?

Are you about to join or you're already there?

@Gombs, seasons greetings!!! how u dey?

you're very correct about being at the verge of leaving. Guess what CE Edo state had its award night yesterday, I was among the top 60 partners(I didn't attend by the way)

so I know about giving, so when I talk listen to me

sufido123:
The names of the deceased are: Teidi Tosin Olawale (from Osun State, BSc Computer Science); Nkwazema Anslem Chukwunonyerem (Imo State, HND Electrical Electronic Engineering), Okpokiri Obinna Michael (Abia State, BSc Environmental Management), Adowei Elliot (Bayelsa State, BSc Computer Science) and Adewunmi Seun Paul (Ekiti State, BSc, Social Sciences).

Others are Adeniji Kehinde Jehleel (Osun State, BSc Banking & Finance), Gbenjo Ebenezer Ayotunde (Osun State, BSc, Education Economics), Ukeoma Ikechukwu Chibuzor (Imo State, BSc Medical Microbiology) and Akonyi Ibrahim Sule (Kogi State, HND Business Administration).

This is no laughing matter! We should not let history repeat itself. Not in 2015. Let us all say never again! If you vote for Buhari, you would have ratified the killings of these innocent Nigerians and their blood would invariably be on your neck!

Did ur GEJ give these departed patriotic citizens a national burial? Where they honored for having died in service to their country?

what did ur GEJ do about the immigration death?

What did he do to the minister who opened his mouth to say that the deceased were at fault?

Prodeegee:
None of these pictures prove anything tho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMef3Xt0IHk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw-aaFPLOdw

Above is proof, it's aljazeera documentary on it, they even came to Benin city

If I have time, I might upload some screenshot

nora544:
I just see a new way to get money out of his followers

Adeboye make an advertisement about a book on his facebook

Get a Copy of Be The Best, Be The Very Best by @PastorEAAdeboye now on Amazon Store . Click the link http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXU1P7Y

People bought it but didnot get anythink. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXU1P7Y

Book Description
Publication Date: June 8, 2014
Be The Very Best is a book that talks about God's purpose for your life. It is about been not the best but the very best. First Place is better than Second Place just as Gold is far more valuable than Silver. So in life if you want to be the best, strive to be the very best. This book written by Pastor E.A Adeboye (General Overseer, RCCG WorldWide) shares with us the secrets on how to become the very best in life.

It's coming to a month now and the book hasn't Downloaded yet!!!! I have done everything I can and they keep on telling me there is an error!!!! And worse still I can even purchase a new one I need help!!

I know it is only small money but when you have many people who will buy it he will get much money.

He always write My Father in heaven
My Father says I should tell you, you have knocked on that door of success/promotion before and they said No. Go back now and the answer will be YES. Because ‪#‎JESUS‬ has made a way.

I learn that it is our father in heaven and not only the father of Adeboye or has he an other God.

Sincerely I don't know what your issue is with ministers of the gospel!!

If a man has 4 kids & one of them makes a statement to the other three, that " my father says" he has in no way implied that his father isn't their father also, just that he is laying emphasis

when the the prophet cried out, Elisha or Elijah, can't remember which he said "my father my father...."

wasn't he the God of the whole Israel? Why didn't the prophet say our father?

WinsomeX:
wow!!!

I envy you o. Can we have a thread discuss on some of their contents either as you read or when you're finished.

My, my... enjoy every moment with them.

I'll try but no promises o, dunno if I'll have time to type & post(since I can't copy, it's not an ecopy)

But I might put up quotes I find notable

I guess u are familiar with two of the titles, the "path to wealth" was written in 1988, Hagin referenced it in the Midas touch, I kind of liked that quote, hence my getting the book to see what the author has to say though he is pro tithe

WinsomeX:
No I have not. Not having placed it on my scale of preference for duties.

I trust you are enjoying your weekend. BTW, you didn't reply my PM.

Cheers.

compliments of season!!!!

my books have finally arrived

Pls I need a Samsung galaxy S3, do u currently have one

Paul once boasted that he knew the law better.."Pharisee of the Pharisee, teacher of the law " so he understood the concept of tithing & first fruit more than anyone else

How come he missed it in teaching it to the gentile whom he introduced Christ to, a race that knew nothing about Christ or even the Old Testament practice?

If the tithing/first fruit is as important as it is being preached today, how come Paul, john, James or peters(authors of the epistles) didn't mention it for once?

the summary for giving for the Christian is embedded in 2 cor9:7

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver

tithing & first fruit goes against the bolded, the church is the one proposing for the Christian & not the Christian setting out what he/she wants to give!!

If no one agrees with all I have written, kindly show me New Testament scriptures, admonishing us to give first fruit

Just a food for thought

www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/god-create-poor/#sthash.J4ELQBXg.dpuf

Gombs:
Do a little googling on countries in the carribean, then get back to me. 105million copies of ROR were distributed this year, by N130 or $0.77 it's $81, 000, 000. Leave Bibles, innercity mission, etc out.

Firstly your calculations are flawed, assuming you are correct about 150millions copies being produced, you will be wrong about 150million copies distributed because I wrote earlier on that there are lots of cartons of undistributed rhapsodies gathering dust in so many churches.
I know this because this has been the norm since its inception and I have seen it with my eyes in different churches in different states

So stop blowing that trumpet of 150million copies being distributed!!!

The undistributed copy wouldn’t you call that wastage?

How many of your possessions have you sold and laid it on the feet of your Apostle? See how warped your thinking can get? Share so that no one lacked abi? Churches should not be built and books should not be sponsored shey? God help your reasoning. Amen

I wouldn’t blow my trumpet here, so no need to start giving you a record of my financial giving and I never said churches should not be built or books sponsored. I only brought that up to show what the focus of the early church was, there has to be balance in everything

Ordinary folks? So there are rich, average and ordinary in the Church of God? haven't you heard of HELPS dept? What of brethren empowerment initiatives? Your own better idea is to make everyone who is 'ordinary folks' queue, and share for them the monies from the possesion others sold, shey? Clap for yourself

When next you read my posts, have an open mind, check the tone and the context in which I’m speaking, ordinary not in a derogatory sense, but in the sense of those who don’t have

NB: there is no such thing as staffs, in English language anyway. You don't pluralise staff. Thank you

Thanks, I learn everyday but the error does not negate the fact that I know so many staff

IF you could read, you'd have noticed I said "second only to the Bible". And yes, some folks paid for the Bibles to be shared free.... they are however not more than 120 different languages, are they? And yes "the union" were given responsibility/mandated for funding the Bibles. Read here to help your ignorance
http://www.gideons.org/AboutUs/OurHistory.aspx

Again I say unto you Endeavour to check the context of my post before responding
When they say Mr A has been mandated to recover the Govt debt, it means he has been given the power or responsibility to recover the said debt, it doesn’t mean Mr A has been forced to recover the debt

When they say, it is mandatory for Mr A to recover the said debt, it means it is a must, it is compulsory for him to recover the said debt
From your link, the union was given the mandate/responsibility to fund the bible not that they made it mandatory for the union. See the difference now.

Whose ignorance is being helped now?

God help your ignorance.
GIDEONS go around to churches and speak, most Baptists churches have the Gideons there once a year or more and the churches make donations or pledges to help buy bibles for that purpose. Some private individuals give to them yearly as well...when a person donates they can determine where they want the bibles placed, they can be for soldiers (green testaments) or the Red testaments that they hand out at schools.

Everyone here knows that for every free thing that is being distributed has been paid by someone. Even if an NGO gives out drugs for free, we all know they sourced for funds from donors!!
That being said, do you find the Gideon’s cajoling, forcing, threatening those Baptist churches to part with their funds?

Are you sure you are ok... is that what I wrote or what your smart mind could conjure?

Please can someone else here help me out, I could be wrong, what’s the correct interpretation and inference from this post

Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible and 105million copies were distributed this year

That's the Spirit of Judas...
[NLT] John 12:5 “That perfume was worth a year’s wages. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.”
[NLT] John 12:6 Not that he cared for the poor—he was a thief, and since he was in charge of the disciples’ money, he often stole some for himself.

This scripture doesn’t quite come in here, judas was faulted because his motive was known, he didn’t care for the poor and he was a thief.
I CARE FOR THE POOR AND I’M NOT A THIEF!!

When Reach Out Nigeria started, it was strictly Rhapsody distribution, 2 or 3yrs later, coporate social responsibility was introduced, sharing of Rhapsody and doing something for the community where the various Christ embassy was located.
Some have benefited from this gesture(this is balance)

There is still a wide gap between the distribution of rhapsody and the CSR, if the holes were plugged you will have more funds for CSR. The 150million copies that was printed, had a large number undistributed, if the amount of the undistributed copies were saved and channeled to CSR, that will be financial prudence
How will such funds be saved? by never printing those excess in the first place, questions like, how many person are really reading this but pastors will never do this, they keep giving large numbers just to hit targets.
So every year the target number of copies will keep increasing, while a large chunk will go undistributed. The cycle goes on.
Abeg there certain things I cant say here, it will be too revealing

Another case is the millions we spend on publizing ministry programs, if pastor is going to Abuja, word of mouth alone is enough, that venue will still be packed out, yet we still spend millions on the publicity, street storm, costumes, trucks, flyers, helicopters in distributing flyers, banners, jingles, radio advert, tv adverts etc cant these things be done in moderation and the balance monies channeled to other things
Jesus pulled crowds in his time without the present day publicity tools, how did he do it? How come ours is different?

Gombs post: How can you explain how a Nation like the BLW is richer than alot of countries, and they don’t ask any church or foundation for funds, and they go around the world whenever they like, however they like, spreading the gospel of Christ? Monies bro...Prayer is the bedrock...the vehicle is the monies...lots of it. For example, now, there are 1,162 CE churches in India. Aside prayers, we sent tons of Bibles there, tons of ROR, tons of tracts all in different formats. There are 2 Ce Churches in Japan, there is the underground Ce Church in China, and I think 16 in South

You want to start again o!! what do you mean BLW is richer than some COUNTRIES? Based on what statistics?

Do you know how many of the CE churches worldwide are in internal debt? Owing for rhapsody, owing for partnership, owing for even this past RON ?

I don't want to wash any dirty linen outside!!

If indeed what you said is true, how come you aren't doing what the early Christians did, they sold their possession & laid it on the apostle feet:not to build church or sponsor books but to share amongst everyone such that no one lacked

how has that wealth affected the ordinary folks including those in the ministry?

There is a lot you don't know about the ministry, you are just talking based on the little you know, I know staffs of virtually every arm of the minstry, some were my members in school or friends!! So I know what I'm talking about

Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible, and 105million copies were distributed this year

GIDEON'S bible:free not to be sold has gone around the world more than any Christian book & the money used in doing that wasn't through tithing or mandated funds

How many times have you heard them soliciting for funds?

Rhapsody being the second book to the bible according to God or man? why should a book be compared to a bible?

those 105millions copies if translated into Cash, do you know the good it will do amongst the Christian community & humanity

how many do you think was really read?

Go to some CE churches now, you will find TONS of cartons of rhapsody(October edition-reach Nigeria copies), not distributed

You are here quoting figures

Gombs:
What about the work of ministry? What about church staff salaries? What about church projects? What about.. who foots the bill? How should the church take the gospel form say Lagos to Sri Lanka?

Remember the words of Hagin in this book?

So because these things you mentioned ought to be done, u now mandate it abi

What happened to an appeal, a minister who list's these activities before the brethren & tells them to give for it as they propose in their heart will have those things done

The reason most people tithe is because of the fear factor!! Take that away, no one will pay tithe

Did Paul not have ministry needs? How did he meet them?

In Pauline epistles, what we have are collections for the poor & free will giving's, none was commanded or mandated.

I keep asking if tithe is as important as it is being preached, why can't you find a direct scripture telling Christians to tithe? After all Paul was very knowledgeable in the law


Before you send me to the gallows, check my stand on tithes, I wrote it on this thread!!!

[quote author=BabaGnoni ]Not so fast Watson. Showing, identifying and pointing out, is not criticizing but is giving advance warning and cautionary signs[/quote]while your post might show the above on the surface but a deep study of your posts with respect to WOF will show its true nature, it's filled with criticisms!!!!

The tone of ur posts, has this authority of what this folks are doing is wrong & you have the authority to criticize them or tell them where they have gotten it wrong

Infact one would almost say, that's your calling

when I preach to people then, I don't tell them go to a bible believing church, NO!!! I tell them go to Christ embassy, because that's where I'm & I believe in what they preach


yes, presently I don't point them there but hope u get my point.
You have spent months telling folks how the WOF has missed it, never have I seen you proffering a solution, never I have seen you making recommendation of where they should worship or how they should worship

This & this has gotten it wrong, but you haven't told them who is getting it right

Someone visits that thread & sees "the errors" of his church, the question then becomes where do I go from here ? Answers which you haven't provided, it appears you derive joy from punching holes into the WOF circle

You need to go read the Midas touch, if not the whole book, but the chapter he talked about maintaining a balance in teaching Gods words, showing the two extremes on doctrines/teachings of Gods word & how certain extremities are helpful

You my friend hasn't been preaching the gospel of jesus on NL but have gone on a criticizing spree!!

Just as Gombs said, most of you haven't done. Proper study on the minister's you critize, you havent listened to his messages over time for you to know the thrusts of his message or what he stands for, you simply base your talk on excerpts from his teaching or what people are saying & that is so so wrong

Just like Father Abraham told Lazarus, if they wouldnt pay attention now or take notice of the warnings now "writing the book, pastoring the church, preaching the gospel the way it ought to be preached... then come tell us to learn from you" would have no benefit

If any WOFers had written the above, you will send them to the gallows & embark on another epistle on how they twist scripture to their advantage

but I'm not surprised, my stand still remains we know in parts & we'll should recognize & respect that

I'll believe everyone here has the Holy Spirit(I know u might disagree-no qualms) & even at that we have had major/minor disagreement on Gods word, a book authored by the same spirit that leaves in us

The question becomes why? Why the disagreement if truly the same spirit?

so long as we all are at different level of walk & relationship with him, we all will continue to see things differently. The earlier you embrace this, the better

most times you want your word to be final & not questioned(the very thing you accuse Wof for)

I will leave you with this

A young couple moves into a new neighborhood. The next morning while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbor hanging the wash
outside.

"That laundry is not very clean; she doesn't know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap." Her husband looks on, remaining silent. Every time her neighbor hangs her wash to dry, the young woman makes the same
comments.

A month later, the woman is surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and says to her husband: "Look, she's finally learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this? The husband replies, "I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows." And so it is with life... What we see when watching others depends on the clarity of the window through which we look

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