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Soyinka the atheist should shut da he'll up. If he knows enough about Islam he'd be a Muslim, if he knows enough about Jesus, he'd be a Christian.

I take exception to you people poking fun at our fine officers who stay awake day and night to protect you. Sure there are some bad elements among them, but I can assure you that many of you posters constitute bad elements in your respective professions, if you have one.

This story appears bogus. A state government has no constitutional authority to deport foreign nationals.

I'd strongly urge Fashola and his peeps to move carefully, there is no need to go out of his way to make new enemies.

Too many Lagos bridges are prime candidates for retaliatory actions which Fashola has no defence against. These matters call for unusual wisdom.

obadiah777: 240 MILLION DOLLARS EVERYDAY SOUNDS LIKE A LOT BUT AT 180 MILLION PEOPLE THAT IS ROUGHLY $1 FOR EVERYONE PER DAY. NOT ENOUGH TO EAT 1 MEAL SEF PER PERSON DAILY.

Dear obadiah777, I humbly refer you to Economics 101.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns]OPC has been authorized by the Obas and elders of the land to defend the commonwealth. That's key!

No one knew boko had bombs or IEDs, we discovered their arsenal by each succeeding episode. There are other tactics they have now that are yet to be discovered. You defeat your mission when you announce ahead what cards you hold in your hands. Wait for a discovery in OPC.[/quote]Are you declaring that OPC is in possession of illegal weapons and that your Obas are accomplices in the criminal acquisition of those weapons? Being the law abiding citizen that you are, we hope you will understand when those criminal elements of OPC and their Oba sponsors are incarcerated.

coogar: stupidity reigns supreme when there's scarcity of intellectuals.
giving amnesty to boko haram would sensitise smaller groups to start their own 2 min of fame as well. a responsible government does not negotiate with terrorists that have claimed almost 1500 victims!

I believe the topic you are attempting to discuss is way over your head and IQ.

Your statement that responsible governments don't negotiate with terrorists smacks of ignorance of how governments operate. People like you buy the information you are fed by the media and government spokesmen as if you are brainless.

I will not waste too much time with you as I consider you to be an intellectual midget.

It suffices here to inform you that the governments of Russia, USA, UK, France, China, and even Israel, routinely negotiate with terrorists. The idea is to use all tools at your disposal, including Amnesty, to isolate the most extreme and dangerous elements in the terrorist organizations and to recruit members who can work for your interest.

I will not reply to your response if it is as juvenile and narrow minded as your previous posts.

Who are these nuts on this thread?

[quote author=Real-Mccoy]You want to keep Nigeria one yet you imposed sharia law in a secular state? You don't practice fedral character or allow civil servant job positions to be gotten by merit? Nigeria's unity is on face value[/quote]I support ONLY constitutional actions and the amendment of the constitution where certain provisions have become obsolete.

Sir/Madam, when did I impose sharia law in a secular state and are you referring to a secular state (Nigeria) with constitutional provisions for sharia courts and laws?

Mr. President, the buck stops with you sir.

bayooooooo: You can't solve BH without some form of Amnesty. You have to infiltrate them and lure the moderate ones to government side. With that, you can then unearth their secret and get them destroyed. So to that extent, amnesty can not be ruled out completely.

A voice of reason emerges from a thread full of ignorant and narrow minded posts. The above post is spot on and devoid of unnecessary effeminate emotionalism commonly exhibited by many posters in this section, when they discuss possible solutions to the BH problem.

I wish to be educated. What weapon of choice will used by OPC to fight BH? Bows & arrows, shaka bulas, curses by Ifa priests or something else?

Ngwakwe: I wouldn't use any unconventional name for any tribe, race or any group of people. Left for me this latest squabble wasn't an issue because I have adequate shock absorber to cushion or neglect any insult on my person or class. However, am always tripped by any act of injustice against any person, group, race or sex in any situation.

I stand for fair and balance, justice and equity. Using same standard to judge same category of people at the same unique period of time.

I salute and celebrate Acquired Qualities (self made - through legitimate means) as against Ascribed Qualities (gotten by virtue of one's connection or family of birth, group, race or sex).

Now that's the Ngwakwe I know. I hope some of your sensibilities rub off on the so-called NNO, lead by Eze Onlytruthhalf truths.

I am convinced that most of the people flexing cyber muscle here, have never fired a 22 caliber weapon in their lives, let alone an assault weapon. As Afam4ever asserted, at the first hearing of a BH bomb blast, most of them will run directly into the Atlantic in their confused states.

OPC should try not to heat up the current situation with empty threats. Wisdom is required in these times.

Ngwakwe: We demand an apology from Seun for playing the ethnocentric card without comprehensive overview of all the complains from both sides

You are one of the few I am starting to believe is fair and objective, so don't spoil that now. I don't believe any ethnocentric card was played here. If Dede1, you, or others have provided evidence that Yoruba was not a derogative term as done by others, with the term Ibo, I'm sure the word Yoruba would have been exempted as well.

Secondly, most of you have been using the word Yo roba, to spite our brothers/sisters from the SW and that word should remain banned. It is clear that many of you are either too dumb or not as well-read as Dede1 the historian, to know about Yoruba.

I don't understand why grown men from certain areas of Nigeria are so emotional that they need to be given a hug, begged, and apologized to, at every turn. You people are known as tough people, hence the term Ajeokutamamunmi, I suppose this generation has become Dan Daudus. Apology ko, bear hug ni.

As long as our brothers/sisters from the SW and SE cannot find common ground in anything, Nigeria will continue to be ruled by our brothers/sisters from "you know which" section of the country, one way or the other.

Its a shame that these two groups are too hateful and bigoted to understand the damage they are doing to themselves and future generations of their people.

My recommendation to you stressful SW people is to put ofe mmanu (oil based soup) on rice today and invite at least 1 stressed out person from the SE to join in the feast. If I'm invited to any of the said rice eating dinners make sure you nyamiri (give me water) to wash it down.

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Lord Naya: ISLAMIC BIGOT

Please explain to me how you reached such a conclusion. Its OK to try to understand each other.

Lord Naya: If I didn't know better, I'd conclude that you are brainless buffoon, but I do know that you are suffering from bigry(BIGOTRY) and extreme tribalism, so I'll continue to believe that that (WHY THE REPETITION OF THAT ?) is the reason for your poor judgement and interpretation of my posts. Stop pretending to be a dummy, dummy!

Oga, no vex say I made some typos and possibly grammatical errors na. You sabi say I too lazy to use spell/grammar checker for here.

By the way, the repetition of 'that' which you flagged as an error above is actually not an error. The best you could have suggested was a comma. So Tisha Tisho, go and re-certify, I think you yourself may need some instruction. mumu

One thing is clear in my mind and that is, most of the insensitive posters on this thread have never lost a single close relative to these kinds of violence. Your appreciation will significantly improve once you lose a son, a daughter, a father, a mother, a sister, or a bosom friend.

May the lost souls R.I.P.

Obinoscopy: I'm really surprised at your call for a state of emergency. You complained against the human rights abuse being perpetuated by GEJ adminstration yet you are the one calling for a declaration of a state of emergency. It seems you don't know the consequences when such orders are given.

My brother, if we are at war, lets fight to win. For now, the extremists are winning the war with great help from the administration of GEJ's.

If we don't want to go the amnesty way with the stipulations I made earlier, then lets fight this war to win. What we have now is a recipe for disaster of the worst kind. Defending yourself during war is not synonymous to human rights abuse.

In my view, its amnesty or outright war against our enemies. no long tin.

xtgozie: I was waiting to see where all your corridor comments will lead to. And the bolded showed it all. So go ahead and tell us who's campaign team u are on? U want Johnathan out to instate who?

If I didn't know better, I'd conclude that you are brainless buffoon, but I do know that you are suffering from bigory and extreme tribalism, so I'll continue to believe that that is the reason for your poor judgement and interpretation of my posts. Stop pretending to be a dummy, dummy!

Obinoscopy: However I think you're getting sth wrong here. Granting amnesty to the prisoners of war will not solve the problem. As far as I'm concerned those people you saw at the prison are not the prime suspect and they are only held with the hope they wld provide useful intel to where the leaders of the sect are. So I wonder of what use will it be to grant them amnesty. Granting them amnesty is just like granting an armed robber amnesty. Most armed robbers will argue that they venture into such act due to poverty, so on that premise shld we grant them amnesty too? Me think its wrong to do so. Amnesty is granted solely for political reasons (eg protesters, coup plotters, labour unionist, freedom fighters, seditionist, etc).

If these prisoners were indeed prisoners of war, then we should apply the approriate rules when we deal with them. The problem here is that, our commander in chief is yet to declare a war, let alone employ overwhelming force needed to win any war. The people in those prisons, majority of who were arrested and detained for many months withou a single charge, are Nigerian citizens whose rights are being violated. The hardship the imprisonments have caused on the families of these youths, is simply fueling more attacks by BH and creating more BH sympathizers. The government's approach in dealing with the BH problem is ineffective and continues to result to more loss of lives than the saving of the same.

I personally believe that we are at war and prefer that the president acknowledges the same, declare state of emergency in hot states, send thousands of troops there and cleam the place up once and for all!! In the absence of such an action, GEJ should seek to isolate the hard core BH members, by providing Amnesty to those who will lay their arms down, employ their commanders towards the maintenance of security in the region, provide needed economic development into the region - much like they are doing in the MEND situation in the SS.

In my view, we must do everything possible to put an end to this bloodshed.

Finally I will like to ask you this simple question: Do you think if another Christian from the South assumes power democratically that he will surpass GEJ in this security situation? Personally, I think GEJ is performing averagely on this security situation. The reduction of the attacks is a clear indication of that. GEJ's only wrong is that he's a christian from the South. Now tell me, is it his fault that he was born a Southerner and a Christian? As far as I'm concerned, GEJ is doing good security wise and in other sectors. The only place he's wrong is the way he romances with corruption and that's enough reason for me to vote against him if there is a better opponent.

I disagree with you that there is a reduction of the attacks - the Kano suicide bombing and the subsequent explosions only today is no reduction but escalation.

GEJ's national security policies are a failure by any standard - average performance my black asss. Imaging how GEJ and his team reacted to the recent "BH" arrest in Lagos. They rounded up 500 "foreigners", locked them up without charges in a knee jerk reaction. In the meantime, more than 85% of the arrested people who will be mistreated in detention are innocent Nigerians. Who will they sympathize with after they are released in a few days or weeks? GEJ or Boko Haram? This is how GEJ's policies breed more terrorists. GEJ's approach is simply wrong.

If we are indeed at war, and the charge that many of the governors in hot states are BH sponsors, then declare state of emergency, install military governors, and clean up the mess, once and for all. Enough is enough!!

^^^^ Mr. Gull has done it again. I gbadun you.



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Obinoscopy: I really want to know where you got your intel from to justify the bolded statement.

And going by your theory of the 3 sects of BH. Grp 1: the original grp headed by one musa who was killed extra-judicially, Grp 2: the radicalised sect with heavy ties with Al qeaeda, and Grp 3: a grp of criminals and thugs used by politicians to forment trouble in the name of BH. Don't u think granting amnesty to those in Grp 3 is similar to granting all armed robbers, political thugs and hired assassins amnesty? Also dont you think granting amnesty to Group 1 & 2 means we support their ideology that Western Civilation/Education is Haram?

If BH's reason for its terrorist act were: Injustice to the North or Extra-Judicial Killing of their leader or Poverty then granting them amnesty would be justified. But for them clamoring for the islamisation of the entire north is entirely preposterous and shld be viewed as a threat to our national security and existence. Such sect with such ideology shld never be condoned

I will have a conversation with you and ignore the emotional effeminates namely, Eze Onlytruth and one xtgozie. Those guys cannot comprehend simple English. I've condemned terrorism including the Kano bombings, yet they continue to ask me to condemn terrorism. Their biafran baggage is weighing them down to the point that I can no longer help them with common sense.

Obinoscopy, I have personally visited 4 major prisons where the so-called Boko Haram suspects are housed (don't ask me for more details ). Most of the prisoners are teenagers and in their early twenties who had nothing to lose and became ready tools to Boko Haram leaders. A substantial number of these prisoners are innocent relatives of BH operatives being hunted down by the Feds.

I sincerely believe that most of those kids in custody should be given Amnesty and rehabilitated. The federal government also needs to pour billions of naira into the region much like they are doing in the SS as part of the MEND Amnesty program, to better the lives of these people and make them less vulnerable to the abuses of Politicians who use them as thugs. If the Federal government gives these unemployed youths without hope, encouragement and the promise of a bright future, that will significantly reduce the pool of foot soldiers available to the dangerous terrorists.

I am more concerned about giving Amnesty to some of the most marginalized Nigerians who are being used by politicians and extremists to do their dirty deeds.

As far as Ansaru and the radicalized people who are operating with impunity in Nigeria goes, GEJ should fight the war which they have brought against Nigeria. We are at war with these people and our President is AWOL. He promised to release the list of Boko Haram sponsors last year, but we are yet to see the list. The dangerous members of BH who are arrested always seem to find their ways out of jail.

I say enough is enough. Its time to replace this President, preferably before 2015.

BTW: For information on Ansaru, start with this profile by BBC

Dede1: @Policewoman

The northerners never lied to Yoruba nation that Fajuyi was killed accidentally while defending Ironsi or begged to die with Ironsi. The pajamas cowards, without any duress, decided to peddle well concocted crap that would make Fajuyi look like hero while concealing one of damning inherent demeanor associated with a certain group of people.

When western regional government of Nigeria’s gazette published the crap about how Fajuyi wanted to die or killed while defending in Ironsi, it has the trappings of deceit and foolery can only be found in certain section of Nigeria because Fajuyi had no command of gatemen talk less of sentries at time of their arrest.

We made a deal that I will not call you a revisionist while you promised to be truthful in your utterances regarding historical events. I suppose like your hero, GEJ, you people do not believe in honouring gentleman's agreements

The eyewitness account of the ADC to General Aguiyi Ironsi himself, Captain Andrew Nwankwo is more credible than any revision, regardless of the source of the revision. You sir, are not entitled to your own personal historical facts.

The analysis by Nwanyi maramma, Policewoman, seems to be more well thought-out than than of a seasoned historian in this case.

The author of this trash of an article and the publication's editors, need to be lined up and caned. The great Achebe died of Acute Pneumonia, which is usually caused by infection with viruses or bacteria and less commonly other microorganisms, certain drugs and other conditions such as autoimmune diseases.

To say the shock of Kano bombing killed Achebe, is prime shame and disgrage.

R.I.P the great one.

Katsumoto: We may have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough. I take it you did not agree with the amnesty handed to MEND, but you have to admit that it has been quite effective and lives have been saved as a result of that amnesty. I happen to believe that we can save thousands of life by using a similar approach to solving this Boko Haram problem. Nothing else is working.

We may indeed have to agree to disagree. Where you go hide since sef, so wa pa?

Katsumoto: @ Ndu_Chuks

I agree with you on your initial assessment of the situation i.e condolences for the dead and that GEJ is failing to deal with the issue.

That is where the agreement ends. I disagree vehemently, with every fibre of my body, on your comparison of Boko Haram and MEND. It may be argued that MEND suffered the Nigerian problem but their original aims and objectives were/are noble. There is nothing noble about Boko Haram. BH is a gang of murderous cretins. I most certainly reject the calls for amnesty for this group. Granting amnesty to BH is akin to spitting on the graves of those that have died. BH should be made to pay for their sins here on earth and in the after life.

Please take a step back and re-evaluate the two groups.

As the President and his agents have told us, there are at least 3 types of Boko Haram. At least two of them are redeemable, and those 2 should be given amnesty. Many who belong to the said 2 groups are our brainwashed youths, marginalized, brainwashed, and abused children turned into disgruntled beings. They deserve amnesty and rehabilitation.

The last group is the extreme group which is now teaming up with internationally funded groups such as Al Quaeda, and Ansaru. Those should be fought with every single bullet and drop of blood we have.

It is unhelpful to call all terrorists Boko Haram. If we first establish who we are talking about, you may find we are on the same side.

Ngwakwe: @Ndu_Chucks

I condemn any harassment or summary execution of innocent citizens as they are entitled to their right to remain silent.

Thank you. The buck stops with the President who seems unable to put a stop to these executions by his employees.

Ngwakwe: I know and presume you know that JTF is different from the normal Police force that were involved in the execution of Ezu River-50.

The JTF is a combine team of the Army and Police who are given a special training and mandate with a time limit.

The members of JTF are accountable to a commander who reports to the Authorities.

You know quite well that we do not have state police in Nigeria. The Police force, JTF, Army, are all under the security umbrella of the federal government. All of the associated agencies and their ministers serve at the pleasure of the President, GEJ. The buck stops with the President!!!

I hope you can understand this point.

Ngwakwe: My question to Ndu_Chuks is, are the locals co-operating with JTF or are they Boko haram sympathisers to warrant such rate of causality among the indigenous population?

Nwanne m, What you described is a JTF success story and that success should be replicated all over the country, assuming your story is true.

You'd agree with me that the 60 or so bodies found in the East cannot be deemed a success story. Are the locals co-operating with the authorities to expose the terrorists who killed the poor Igbo people?

Secondly, even if the locals in some Northern states are Boko Haram sympathizers, all sane people should condemn GEJ, the Feds, and JTF, for indiscriminately killing women and children for sympathizing with BH. Those murdered women and children committed no crime. Are you supporting murder and genocide?

phantom: so you do support the much talked about amnesty.why if i may ask.do you grant amnesty to people who make trouble based on zero ideology and zero principles?

Indeed I support the amnesty. It is working for MEND and has resulted in the absorption of thousands of youths who were terrorist into society as productive citizens, so it can work for Boko Haram.

What's your take on my items 2, 3, and 4? Honest opinion please

xtgozie: U have been running up and down. And haven't stated ur stand.
What are u actually saying? Cos I never understand u.

I know that you are not an illiterate so you read what I wrote. Too bad if my position is different from yours, nothing you all say will make us think alike.

Because of your cordiality, I will restate my position in a itemized manner:

(1)I join all well meaning Nigerians in condemning the Kano bombing and all other terrorist acts against Nigerian citizens.

(2)The responsibility for national security lies squarely with the Federal government led by GEJ. I believe it is safe to state that GEJ and his employees have failed miserably in this regard.

(3)The security agents led by GEJ and his national security team are making the national security problem of terrorism worse by using JTF to indiscriminately killing innocent Nigerians in Bornu, South East, and other parts of Nigeria.

(4)The biggest terrorism threat to our country is Ansaru, a group which seems to operate with impunity because of the incompetent national security agencies led by GEJ

(5)Its time to give amnesty to BH and other local disgruntled groups much like was done with MEND. The time has come to face the real threat, Ansaru, squarely. Let's hope GEJ understands this.
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