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No need complaining . . . responsible citizens pay they taxes.

Here’s something to help you have a good
> laugh,
>
>
> A man died & goes to hell. There he finds that
> there is a different hell for each country and decides
> he'll pick the least painful to spend his
> eternity.
>
> He goes to the German hell & asks, "What do
> they do here?" He is told "first they put you in
> an electric
> chair for an
> hour. Then they lay you on a bed of nails for another
> hour. Then the German devil comes in and whips you for the
> rest of the day. The man does not like the sound of that at
> all so he moves on. He checks out the USA hell
> as well as the Russian hell and many more. He discovers
> that they are all similar to the German
> hell.
>
> Then he comes to the Nigerian hell and finds that
> there is a long queue of people waiting to get in, Amazed,
> he asks, "What do they do here?" He is told
> "first they put
> you in an electric chair for an hour, and then they lay
> you on a bed of nails for another hour. The Nigerian devil
> comes in & whips you for the rest of the
> day."
>
> But that is exactly the same as all the other h ells,
> why are there so many people waiting to get in?" asks
> the man, A concerned fellow calls him aside and said,
>
> "Because there is never any electricity so
> the electric chair doesn't work.
>
> The nails were paid for but were never supplied by
> the contractor, so the bed is comfortable to sleep on, And
> the Nigerian devil used to be a civil servant,
>
> so he comes in, signs his time sheet and goes back home for
> other business!!"
>
> , , IT PAYS TO BE A
> NIGERIAN

@abulbanaat et al;

You will notice that your mods edited this thread, cleverly removing my posts and olabowale's posts in argument, hence bastardizing the thread. I dont think I will continue an argument in which my posts will be so violently raped via cyber-terrorism. I am not interested in arguing with people who are too scared to face up to the truth.

Shallom!

@olabowale;

viaro, if you believe answering islam.com, then i ask anyone to show me where any word, a sentence, a chapter in the Quran is written, other than the very only way it is written, be it in hafs, walsh, uthmanic style of writing. if none of you can point out a single one, then know that you have all lied; answering islam, nezan, viaro, etc!

You are referring to the different versions of the arabic koran as differences in style of writing? What of whole vowel variety, differences in the numbering of the verses e.t.c.? You can only confuse fellow muslims . . . if the koran was one, why then the differences in recitation?

@nezan bahia, and others which call themselves muslims are like the church of satan saying that they are chrsitians! how do you like them bad boys?

Who do you think you will play mind games on? How can 'Church of Christ' be the same as church of satan? Do any satanist on this forum ever refer to himself as a Christian? but sunni, shi'te, bahia e.t.c. are traditional muslims, why are you hiding your head in shame, denying them? at least we Christians dont deny our own.

@ OP; No offences meant, but by your profile, you are male. Why dont you allow ladies to open this thread as you might have limited knowledge on this?

^^ This is interesting to know.

^^ How can you have an objective view of Christ's Divinity when you choose 'verses' to quote and disregard others.

Who are you to declare Trinity dead when Christians all over the world believe in it? Your meaningless posts here dont make any impact on Christianity and Trinity.

Me-thinks you should have been worrying yourself with the contradictions in the koran which I debated intelligently about that the islamic mods deleted the discussions I had with olabowale. They bastardised the thread and threw it out

I didnt know my posts were causing so much ripples among muslims on NairaLand.

^^ Is this thread about Trinity or about Jesus' Divinity? please stop derailing the OP.

@ the seeker; you choose Biblical verses to quote and neglect others? you have to understand the Bible in whole and not in parts.

Why, oh why? must we copy everything bad? I thought it was only in SA that we were hearing such stories . . . . in Benue State? how come? this is real pathetic . . . I will get in touch with the family. e-yaaaaaaa!!!!!

uh-hu

Complete overhaul of the Banking sector where money is loaned out following due and transparent processes, no family banks, improved customer relations etc, etc,

This is good, but Government should be making plans for the graduates too.

Our Senators are jokers, never take them serious for any hearing . . . nothing will change.

Why are you guys been excited? Is this the first time NEPA took light? I thought by now everybody might have gotten used to it.

This is sad.

Any body can be sick, if he feels he is healthy enough to rule, why doubt him?

I will suggest Seun installs a software that can track your HIV status online using your finger prints as you type . . . what about that?

I think oyinbo can start helping us by rejecting any corrupt kobo that gets into their banks, instead of enjoying profits accruing from the loots and claiming to be holier than thou.

So Oyo graduates will now rush to Ibadan to start queing to become taxi drivers?

This is simply unlawful, inhuman and a violation of the right to life of those innocent patriots.

I think it is the implementation that will call for celebrations. All the same, we are happy for the development.

[size=18pt]Luke 5: (New International Version)

20When Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven."

21The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, "Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?" [/size]

@ 'pastor' the seeker; You were analysing Biblical verses, I only quoted these verses so that you will analyse them for me too, or are you suddenly developing cold feets on your analysis?

[size=18pt]Because your arguement were ill-thought and barbaric, without any focus nor vision, post like that have to be thrown to the recycle bin[/size]

@ all;

Atta boy, am outta here . . .

The posts shaked the very foundation of your religious believes??

@viaro; Just click on this:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

@ abuzola; You have not replied to these convincingly:

[size=18pt]Can't it be argued that an Omnipotent being has the power to resurrect[/size]?

[size=18pt]What is your definition and understanding of omnipotence or omnipotent[/size]

And did David claim the powers to forgive sins? The Jews wanted to kill Jesus on this claim . . . yes! Jesus forgave sins because He is God! . . . . and when do muslims start calling Dawood, son of God? arent they slaves of allah?

@abuzola; While I am a child of God, Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God. He bought us with his blood, and made us co-heirs of the kingdom together with Himself. . . . and I wonder when muslims start believing that God has children, when they refer to themselves as slaves of allah.

So I woke up this morning, I thank Allah Who gave Muhammad (AS) to finalize Islam, with a completely formed and not changing process, like the others. Guys, you know what I mean.

I would have chosen to neglect this thread but for olabowales's post. I will want him to know that islam as it is today, has a koran that has so many editions, even in the arabic texts. The various contradictions in the koran I was pointing to him in the thread on islam section (which his brothers edited his posts as well as mine to hide his ignorance) makes koranic claims to divine revelation suspect.

Also, I want olabowale to know that as present, over 150 sects in islam, no need for him coming here to make it appear as if there are no divisions in islam. Some of the major islamic sects are summarised below:

Sunni Muslims


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Sunni Muslims are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal and Malik Schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers in Islam, and are considered to be mainstream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures, while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith and consensus of Muslims.



The Sunnis are by far the largest sect in the Muslim world. They take the title of Najiyah, meaning those who are being saved. They acknowledge the first four Khalifs as the rightful successors of Muhammad. They received the "six correct books" and belong to one of the schools of jurisprudence founded by the four Imams.



The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation, as strict predeterminism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage. The Sunni believe, based on specific provisions of the Qur'an and the Sunna, that the Muslim people are to be governed by consensus (ijma') through an elected head of state, the khalifa, according to democratic principles.




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Shi'ite Muslims


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The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occurred after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son in law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima. The shi'ites strenuously maintain that they alone are right in their understanding of Islam, and like the Sunnis, they call themselves "al-Muminun," or the "true believers." They believe in the divine right of the successors of 'Ali. His rightful successor is now concealed, they say, but will appear at the end of the world as the "Mahdi," the one rightly guided by Allah, thus able to guide others. They reject the "six correct books" of the Sunnis, and have five collections of their own.



Shi'ism is broken into three main sects. The Twelve-Imam (Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria); the Zaydis (Yemen); the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group has differences of doctrine.



Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports. These are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis. The Imamate, however, is the essence of Shi'ism, and the last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites, or rationalists, whose system is in many ways perpetuated in shi'ite theology.



Shi'ites are numerous in Iran, where they have deposed the Shah and in his place, installed the Ayatollah Khomeini and enforced Islamic law as the rule of the government. Khomeini has gone beyond that by declaring that his command is ass good as that of the prophet Muhammad.




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Wahhabis


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The founder of the Wahhabi sect was 'Abd al-Wahhab, born in Nefd in A.D. 1691. He maintained that the Muslims had departed from the precepts of Muhammad. He accepted only the Quran and the Traditions, rejecting the two other foundations, Ijma and Qiyas. He condemned the worship of dead holy men at tombs. He said, "They run there to pay the tribute of their fervent prayers. By this means they think that they can satisfy their spiritual and temporal needs. From what do they seek this benefit? From walls made of mud and stone, from corpses deposited in tombs. the true way of salvation is to prostrate one's self before Him who is ever-present and to venerate Him - the one without associate or equal."



The war cry of the Wahhabis was "Kill and strangle all infidels which give companions to Allah." On the day of battle, the Wahhabi founder gave each soldier a letter addressed to the Treasurer of Paradise. It was enclosed in a bag which the warrior suspended from his neck. The soldier believed that by dying in battle he would go straight to Paradise, without being examined by the angels Munkar and Nakir. Many Iranian prisoners today have confided to their Iraqi captors that they were duped into hanging a small Quran around their necks so they would become invisible in battle and not be seen by their enemies.



The Wahhabis condemn astrology, trusting in omens, and believing in lucky or unlucky days, as well as praying at tombs. They disallow the use of a rosary but attach great merit to counting the ninety-nine names of God on their fingers.




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Suffis


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The meaning of the name Suffi is disputed. Suffis are a Muslim sect that have set aside the literal meaning of the words of Muhammad for a supposed spiritual interpretation. Their system is a Muslim adaptation of the Indian Vedantic philosophy. They believe that only Allah exists. All visible things are really distinct from Him. There is no real difference between good and evil. Allah fixes the will of man. In fact, transmigration is accepted. The principal occupation of the Suffi is meditation on the unity of God and the remembrance of God's name so as to obtain absolution.



Suffis are most numerous in Iran, once called Persia. The three chief Persian poets, Jami, Sa'di, and Hafiz were Suffis who dwelt on love to God. Many of the writings of the Persian Suffis contain indecent passages. The Suffis are divided into innumerable sects which find expression in the numerous order of Faqirs, or Darweshes. Faqirs are divided into two great classes, those who govern their conduct according to the principles of Islam and those who do not, although they all call themselves Muslims.


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Bahaiism


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The Bahai sect began with a man who was born in 1817 in Tehran, Persia, and whose real name was Mirza Hussayn Ali. In 1847 he declared that he was the glory of Allah, "Bahau Allah" from two Arabic words. His acquaintance with a religious movement led by a man called the Bab(Gate) convinced him that he himself was the prophet that the Bab had predicted would appear.



In 1850, the Persian government executed the Bab for his teachings, and Mirza took over the leadership of the movement. In 1863, ten years after he was banished to Baghdad, Bahau Allah declared he was the expected prophet. From 1868 until his death in 1892, he lived in a prison colony in what is now Akka, Israel. He tried to unite the three monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam through his writings, which comprise 100 volumes.



Bahais believe in good works, nondiscrimination, and a federated world government. Their headquarters are in Haifa, Israel, and they have over 17,000 local counsels, called local spiritual assemblies, with 1,500,000 adherents. Ten percent of them live in India.

I want to express my displeasure with the moderators of this section.

In the thread 'Godson et al: contradictions in the koran', I discovered that the moderators sat down and edited our arguments in that thread, removing all my intelligent posts in argument with olabowale and leaving some, thereby bastardising the thread and relegating it to the trash.

I think the thread should have been locked, instead of removing the posts.

Shallom!