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^^ When I opened this thread, I wanted to put down what you posted. The problem of the Niger Delta has to do with their leaders too. They have been receiving revenues from the FG more than other states, yet, they have not been able to impact on their people as some non-oil producing Governors.

*hisses*

@Op; Your post doesnt seem real, more like a page from a fictional magazine.

Marriage should be contracted when you are convinced that God has shown you the right person, it doesnt matter the age difference.

Why is the guy segregating between members of the force? what is so special with the new uniform that he dont want junior officers to wear? anyway, if them meet for anywhere now, that feeling of inferiority will always be there.

@OP; A nagging woman is one who will never allow her husband rest.

When will all these end??

With the high rate of divorce among whites, I cant be too sure.

^^ What are you yapping about? Is Yemen not arabic? I hope the OP referred to a child bride dying in Yemen after struggling to give birth for 3 day.

^^ On a more serious note mazaje, you need Jesus in your life. It can never be too late!

you yourself have seen it. Your points are to shallow to be contended with, time is precious, nobody has a time to waste.

So all the contradictions I have listed are shallow? You now agree that koran has shallow contradictions against your early stand that it contained no contradictions? Thank God, you are now begining to change gear.

More contradictions to follow after your refutations.

Contradiction No. 20:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, -
flog them each with a hundred stripes.
-- Sura 24:2



If any of your women are guilty of lewdness,
take the evidence of four (reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them;
and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them,
or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.


If two (men) among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both.
If they repent and amend, leave them alone;
for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
-- Sura 4:15-16

Yusuf Ali says "men", other translations just say "two". It is the masculine dual form of the word. This "could" also mean a man and a woman, but it might be more natural as reading this as a rule how to deal with homosexual acts, since verse 15 deals only with women, and so the attention turns to men in verse 16.

If 4:16 is about male homosexual acts, then interestingly, the homosexual men are to be left alone when they repent of their deed, while adulterers are to be punished in any case. This alone is not a contradiction, but certainly strange. Maybe because in an homosexual act no other man's right over a woman is violated? While in adultery with the wife of another man the "property" or right of an undefiled wife of this man is violated?

A homosexual act would violate only the wife of this other man but the violation of a woman is not as severe?

Nevertheless, there is the contradiction whether for a female adulteress the is punishment one hundred stripes [Sura 24:2] or confinement in the house until death [4:15].

If 4:16 does not speak only about homosexual acts but also about adultery of man and woman, then another contradictory element is added: If they repent they can get off the hook without punishment? Who will not repent with the prospect of a hundred stripes waiting for them?

Apart from the question whether the punishment should be as in 24:2 or 4:15, how come the man and woman are treated equal in 24:2, but seemingly different in 4:15?

All this is further complicated by the fact that in the Sharia the actual punishment for adultery is stoning on the basis of the Sunna of Muhammad and various hadiths and there are even traditions that the verse of stoning was originally part of the Qur'an.

Contradiction No. 19:

Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians -
whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right -
shall have nothing to fear or regret.
-- Sura 5:69
But just three verses further in the text it says


Unbelievers are those that say:
"God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." For the Messiah himself said:
"Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord."
He that worships other gods besides God, God will deny him Paradise,
and the fire shall be his home. None shall help the evil-doers.
-- Sura 5:72
So, are Christians believers or unbelievers? Are they allowed to remain as Christians (knowing they worship Christ) as long as they do what is right, or are they condemned outright for their faith? Do we have to worry or not to worry according to the Qur'an?

Sometimes I even wonder if single Suras were even completely authored by the same person.

Now, the obvious answer that a Muslim would give is that the "true" Christians do not worship Jesus as God. Hence there is no contradiction. But the first verse does not specify that. It only talks about the belief in the existence of God and in the (Judgment of the) Last Day and doing right. Any serious Christian will fall in this category.

Muslims try to save the Qur'an by claiming that any Trinitarian is not a true Christian and hence verse 72 does not apply to them. But the problem is only shifted. Either the contradiction is as above, or, with the shift, the contradiction is with reality. It is historical fact that Christianity has always considered Jesus to be the LORD, to be of the same nature of God.

Therefore, either the Qur'an contradicts itself, or it shows itself very ignorant of historical Christianity.

The contradictions continue once again . . . .

Contradiction No.18:

Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved?
In Sura 10:92, Allah speaks to Pharaoh who ferociously chased the Children of Israel, "But this day We save you in your body, that you may be a portent for those after you." Although this verse makes it clear that Allah saved Pharaoh from drowning, Suras 28:40, 17:103, and 43:55 contradict this, stating that Pharaoh was drowned: "Therefore We seized him and his hosts and abandoned them unto the sea , But We drowned him and those with him, all together , And [We] drowned them, everyone."

When the Qur'an says "But this day We save you in your body, , " what exactly does this mean? Today Muslims want us to believe that this means "We will preserve your body for posterity", but why doesn't then the Arabic say "We will save your body" (but not your life)? Why does it use the preposition "in" (Arabic: bi) when it says "save you IN your body (nunajjeeka BI-badanika)"? The "you" is distinguished from "your body" and what is saved is not "the body" but the "you". The text clearly refers to the saving of the life of Pharaoh [you in your body, i.e. you will stay alive in this body] not "you will die but your body will be preserved for those after you."

I say: Well that was one of the miracles of Muhammad (we Muslims do not bank on the miracles of the Prophet to prove the authenticity of Islam).

So you believe everything in the koran including the contradictions listed above?

To put it more practically: That A should come down from Allaah to earth will cost a Day with Allaah which will have been our 1000 years, and for B to come down it will cost a Day with Allaah and that will be equall to our 50,000. If A and B were to come down from Allaah in a Day that will be our 1000 + 50,000, let Nezan complete the sum if he still knows Arithmetic. [Laugh].

Remember this came about as a result of the positioning of the moon and stars, and the response you gave was what olabowale earlier said, you are only re-ehoing him, all the same, this does not explain away the contradiction, you are only trying to amuse yourself

I say: So you want the Qur’aan to mention Arachinds, Molluscs, Amoeba, etc, Haba, this is a book directly talking to the Arabs, reminding them of what they see in their daily lives.

So the koran was only meant for the arabs? interesting to note . . . so why worry ourselves with islam since it is an arabic thingy?

You think so, even Qur’aan says hands and legs will talk on the Day of Resurrection. That is simply spiritual, so the talking of the ants to Solomon too was spiritual, no scientific effort can unravel it just as the science has failed to unravel existence of God.

So islam now believe in the Holy Spirit? This is getting more interesting . . . only that you are now saying ants now have spirits? So solomon had the gift of communicating with ants? . . . this is pure delusion . . solomon talking with ants spiritually . . I hope this claim is islamic

I say: I have always like this side of my discussions with the Christians saying Allaah is an idol being worshipped by the Arabs before Muhammad because Muhammad’s father was Abdullaah (Abdu Allaah). What a reasoning! Since you have brought this, I will challenge you again, O Nezan, to produce your evidence, even your historical ‘facts’ that say the Arabs did (and do not) believe in a Supreme Being.

I have already trashed out this issue on many threads. If you are not satisfied, open another thread on it.

That was the opinion of later English commentators of the Qur’aan (like Yuusuf Alli), it is never the mainstream thought in Islam, so that was a conjecture from them.

You see your delusion? when yusuf alli translated 'samaritan' to 'samarii', you gleefully followed his translation, but now you are disagreeing with his translation? why didnt you reject his translation of 'samaritan' to 'samarii' as a later English commentry of the koran? You see how dishonest you people are?

I say: The explanation of that is like what I said over Zul-Qar’nain’s travels above; that is what is observable to the eyes. Indeed the sky has been adorned with the stars irrespective of where they may be (and remember we say Science is not constant).

Isnt allah suppose to know more than what the eye can see? he should have explained it that it is not as it appears to the eye, instead of revealing the contradiction . . . and see what your delusion has led you to? that science is not constant, when all space studies has revealed the same thing . . that the koran lied with respect to the positioning of moon and stars!

I say if you still base that on historical ‘facts,’ Allaah knows more than the historians, to hell with them.

So if allah knew more than the historians, he ought not to make silly historical mistakes!

So now it is ‘appear’ but you did say Qur’aan says it was Egypt that was promised the Children of Israel. And I challenged you to produce the Aayah. Now that you cannot produces the Aayah, remember what I said you would be a LIAR, so you are. Can you also bring the verse (s) that make (s) it seems to be Egypt, so that you will receive a feather to your lying business.

Didnt you read through the koranic verses I provided? or are you too scared to study them? calm down man, read through the verses I supplied, if you are not convinced, trash out the verses than pretending that you didnt see them.

This verse (and other verses that would be mentioned later) only explains what is applicable to the naked eyes, just as Sir Olabowale as said

Read through my response to olabowale on this! It failed to explain away the koranic contradiction that the sun do set in a murky spring.

“In the Arabic knowledge of ‘Ism Nasab’ (generic name), it will rather be right to say the translation will be a person from Saamarah (in the present day Iraaq) which has nothing to do with Samarita, Saamarah is literally ‘Su Man Ra ah’ (May he who sees (the town) be pleased with it).”
And let me expatiate: What that means is that Saamarah is a coinage of a recent past in Iraaq to refer to a city which is literally ‘Su Man Ra ah’ (May he who sees (the town) be pleased with it). So it can’t be Saamarah of the Qur’aan, so Saamiriyy is a person of a tribe which we don’t know and it is of no significance that we know it.

I think I have made myself clear on this: other koranic translators rendered this word 'samaritan', yusuf alli changed it to 'samarii' and he translated it to mean stranger, you on the other hand, said it meant 'person from iraq', olabowale first said it was somebody's name, but later translated it to mean 'leader of idol worshippers'. Which is correct? you can see that you people are just trying to conjecture meanings to the word that was the cause of the contradiction so that you will run away with the lie. No sir! your explanations are unconvincing!

I say there is no single verse in the Qur’aan except that its experts have explained it in the light of Sunnah and what has been handed down from the Pious Predecessors.

The verses that you are alluding to are reports by Allaah from what those people say. I hope you will understand. Pharaoh told his people he was their only lord but the people later said: ‘Stop Musa unless he will leave you and your gods.’ What the people inferred from that was that Pharaoh had paraphernalia of fetish that qualified him and those things as gods. Will you now understand O Nezan. Remember Allaah was reporting their conversations. It would have been a contradiction if Allaah had said: ‘Indeed Pharaoh was the god of the Egyptians’ and later said: ‘There are many gods in Egypt.’ Will you now understand?

I dont care who the verses were alluding to or anything you are trying to conjecture. Study the verses again. The other said Egyptians worshipped many gods (i.e.polytheism) while the other said pharoah was the god of the egyptians (i.e. monotheism). That surely is a contradiction. Stop pretending dude!

i wonder if nezan even try to reflect on anything at all? considering that Angels come to earth, just like that, is distance not relative, based on your knowledge and that of the All-Knower? and long time before any space exploration, Quran talks about it in Surah Rahman, so I wonder if it knows the actual distance and positions of things called celestral?!

When talking about things in the physical that have been proven using scientific knowledge God has endowed man with, it is better we try to reallign those with our theological beliefs. We should stand up and question the veracity of the claims in our books and try to seek ways of clarifying those errors than turning a blind eye.

I say if you are basing that on your historical ‘facts’ then I say we will not accept it from you because history is subjective and it is often based on human conjectures which are prone to error.

But all historians agree that Egyptians used mudbricks, the koran been the only dissenting voice. Consider that the koran was written centuries after those events were recorded. I wonder the kind of reasoning you are putting forth here. If history proves koranic records accurate, you rejoice, but when history disproves koranic records you reject it? Open your eyes and stop been fanatic!

@OP; Get her contact and try talking to her, as far as I am concern, this is gossip, abi NL don turn to gossip column?

Did you read the link I posted and read the stories again in the bible to see the discrepancy?

I think I addressed this issue, if you have points to refute this, lets trash them out.

How does a thing such as the devil exist in the hearts of atheist?

Because it is a spirit, a bad one at that, that controls your thoughts to reject God with the ultimate aim of destroying your soul.

As for witches and wizards they are also myths that eixts in the african culture. . . I live in europe and such myths have now been relagated to the pages of the history books. . . .witches only exist in cultures that accept the myth. . . . .I have never claimed to be more intelligent than anybody here. . .why do you guys always feel the need to talk about intelligence when ever you are asked to substatiate your claims? What is a soul do you have any evidence to show that a soul exist let alone it being destroyed by this mythical devil you are yet to provide any evidence for his existence?

When next you visit, try going to your village and you will be shocked to discover that witches are not myths, they are real and are just agents of the devil. I pray that Jesus will use this forum to open your eyes one day.

I have observed that abulbanaat has now taken the sidelines

You people are yet to refute the other contradictions.

And Allah says that a day with your Lord, is like 50,000 years in human period, in one verse and 5 or 10 in another, only to show comparative timing and distances, yet time is not one of the factor/elements that is play with Allah. We should now have ability to reflect.

This has failed to explain the koranic blunder in the location of the moon relative to the stars, it is a simple fact, no need denying the blunder!

And long time, before 1000 years ago, there was Islam, so Nezan and his masters on the web, whats your argument, really? When Noah was a muslim, and even Adam was a muslim, could it be very hard to believe a person after these noble men (AS) to be muslim, too?

Contradiction No. 16! Adam and Noah were not muslims! Bring out historical evidence, since YHWH and allah are two different beigns, one been an idol, and the other God Almighty.

Jesus are correct, since he said its from Allah through spiritual revelations!

This is all about koranic contradictions and not Jesus. Another correction, YHWH and allah are not the same, dude!

Lets accept that fahinna means "in them", a position that must be correct as we on earth consider everything far up as heaven/heavens and it is clear that the moon is up there, too. No? Didnt Muhammad split the moon and is there heaven obscuring the moon, or do we see the heaven before we see the moon on a full moon night? May Allah help us if Nezan holds the secret of Nigeria, though I dont live in it, but I find its peril if Nezan is in charge!

Contradiction No. 17! Never was it proved scientifically and historically that the moon was ever split into two.

@abuzola; who is more gullible? he who believes in Jesus or he who believes in a paedophillic, lying, adulterating, false prophet?

Paul, on the other hand, writes about a much lengthier process. In Galatians 1, he says that after his conversion he went away into Arabia, spent some time in Damascus, and didn't go back to Jerusalem for three years. He says it took another 14 years for a full realisation of his calling to form and to be shared with the leaders of the Jerusalem church.

Must you lie to distort the truth? Paul disclosed that he went to Jerusalem after 3 years. Thereafter he went preaching and visited Jerusalem again 14 years after he was preaching with Barnabbas.
In any case, there is no contradiction in the narration of Paul's conversion, the basic facts are:
1. Paul persecuted Christians.
2. Jesus (whom you deny) appeared to him and converted him.
3. He did not went to Jerusalem immediately.
4. He later went to Jerusalem.
5. He met with the Apostles before he began his ministry.

Both Luke and Paul's accounts follow this chronological order. No cause for alarm.

You see the bible ONLY tells you stories. . . .stories that have NO evidence at all in reality and then paints those it knows will not believe in the story as bad people. . . .Where is your evidence for this mythical satan? What does he look like? Where does he reside. . . can he be in 100 different places at the same time? How powerful is he? does he control the forces of nature? Is he the one causing all the havoc we see around? Why is it that your all powerful god can not defeat this mythical being?

I can tell you just one place were the mythical satan resides: in the heart of an atheists, though he makes his habitation all over the world because he is a spirit. Repent now and stop yielding your soul to the devil.