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calabardick:
Bros isn't this harsh?
God will help us on this platform.

@uwemjack, da abadie?

See where the idiot has been shading me and judge for yourself:

peeps4u:
If riders know that drivers aren't employees or staff of any ehailing platform, we will have less fights. Drivers are partners; they choose when to work and can reject trip which they perceive pose threats to them. They are not bound to accept all trips.

Infact, these companies know this fact, hence the need for surge to eñcourqge drivers to work during rainy days because they know many drivers will stay at home or reject those flooded areas.
The fact that uber owns the platform is why they have share from drivers' earnings, but the ownership of the platform doesn't give uber or any platform the privilege to dictate which trip a driver must accept

Let's be guided and educated please. [b]That " uber owns the platform, drivers are employees of uber/bolt.........." statement can only come from an uninformed mind who knows no difference between partnership and employment[/b]

And here:

peeps4u:
It is the ignorance that gives them such sense of entitlement. Only ignorance will make someone think drivers are employees of uber/bolt and as such can't reject trips.

They are pompous ignoramuses who dont know partnership isn't employment, but hide behind grammar to feign brilliance, they are on this thread, pay them no mind

And here:

peeps4u:
Even his compatriot, don't wanna dignify with name, has been saying "wolf" just to attract attention but I am impressed as no one has even considered him worthy of replies.
The way some people try yo coin words and use technicalities to justify wrongdoings is just weakening.

And here:

peeps4u:
Please, bosses, avoid wolf seeking guy who is looking for whom to devour, let him go seek for wolves elsewhere, probably in his village

Don't dignify hypocrite who tries to make u feel bad forming holiness while they do worse. I've long seen through him

Good day to both GOOD RIDERS AND GOOD DRIVERS,the bad ones should collect their greetings from the wolves in the forest.

And here:

peeps4u:
It is obvious he loves the attention he gets. When we neglected his compatriot, the wolf seeking guy, despite desperately seeking for attention, he has stopped posting here. If we neglect his posts here and pay him no mind, he will drag himself out.

SO WHAT DO YOU JUDGE?

I was the one that informed this thread that Uber and Bolt will not penalize a driver for cancellations until it reaches a threshold. The goat has been parroting it up and down the thread since.

When will he think up an original thought for himself?

Look guys, I respect myself; as everyone on this thread knows. Reading through my posts on Nairaland will show the same. But no one has the monopoly over shades and insults.

If anyone shades or insults me, I will reply in kind; maybe twice in kind.
The worst is I get banned. I will open another moniker and I will be here ... to reply every shade and insult twice in kind.

We can disagree; nothing has to get personal. When it gets personal, it shows we all, including myself, are not intelligent enough to argue.
So keep shading or insulting me; your reply awaits you.

Very simpu sturvs.

peeps4u:
It is obvious he loves the attention he gets. When we neglected his compatriot, the wolf seeking guy, despite desperately seeking for attention, he has stopped posting here. If we neglect his posts here and pay him no mind, he will drag himself out.

I can't be here bantering with dim-witted idiots like you.
Where is the time? I have a life.

Go get some.

thelastorca:
Gazzuz and Rd autoworks own their platforms.

If I am self employed, I can choose to reject jobs. However as an employee/partner I may not have that leverage, depending on the terms of my employment/ agreement.

Another intelligent post spotted!

The wolves are coming ... for me!

daddytime:
"That's why you are a taxi driver" could have simply meant: picking me up shouldn't be a problem.

Abi na my head no correct?

Holding no brief for rude riders but we mustn't be too quick to lump every or read unnecessary meanings to every statement due to already built up prejudices...

Life na jeje

Call me a taxi driver, I go show you my ID to confirm say you no make mistake.

Who get time to look Uche face...

This is the most intelligent post on this thread today.
#logicalreasoning

Let the wolves begin attacking me.

radautoworks:
That's just a way of keeping costs low. Same was suggested to me to hire a rotating crop on contract or I think it's called industrial attachment? Corpers basically because they come cheap. I thought that was exploitation.

Corpers would love it ma. Please don't hesitate next time.

Where I work, we staff the junior cadre with Mechanical Engineering corpers. They come to work everyday, except on their community development days, earn their government allowance every month plus we top it up for them by #40,000.

They are always excited.

deedee44:
Easier said

Who cares?

slamstanlee:
ok for instance, you mean if you see £2m in a briefcase on a subway drive, you will return it to the government

I will call the Police. Whatever they will do, let them do.

I teach my kids not to ever take what doesn't belong to them. In my family, there's nothing like finders keeper. You find, you turn it in to the authorities; or you leave it there.

That was what my parents taught me. I am teaching my kids the same.

If I offend your sensibilities with this opinion, I am sorry. For you.

okiyi:
Going by your story the money is obviously yours but next time bro at least try to ask people around (You don't have to reveal the amount to anyone in case you come across someone claiming ownership) cos if the story was different that may have been someone's monthly salary you picked up you never know and losing it in such a manner'll have spelt doom to such a fellow. At least if you had asked around (assuming the money wasn't yours) and you were unable to locate the rightful owner u'll have had a clear conscience spending the money. My Opinion tho �

If anyone sees money on the floor that doesn't belong to him or her, don't pick it. Just leave it there and waka pass.


It is the ethical thing not to do.

fabiano09:
your problem big pass me ,don't quote me again if arguing with facts is problematic for you . Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it untrue

And here is the footnote, THE CAVEAT, to YOUR LINK, YOUR FACT!

"The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read about our approach to external linking."

But of course, I don't expect you to understand its implication for the content you are pushing for a fact; the thinking there is too NUANCED!

After all, Forbes reported severally on INVICTUS OBI; AND THAT ALSO IS FUCKING TRUE!

Your facts!

fabiano09:
your problem big pass me ,don't quote me again if arguing with facts is problematic for you . Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it untrue

I've presented you with irrefutable fact ... YOUR FACT!
Half-arsed thinking.

fabiano09:
your problem big pass me ,don't quote me again if arguing with facts is problematic for you . Just because you don't believe something doesn't make it untrue

No sir. I will forever quote you when you post rubbish, so you don't mislead other people reading. SIR.

fabiano09:
una too like to form rubbish and argue without proof ,you think everyone thinks like a Nigerian ? this is a BBC article from 2016 where uber was accused of tracking Beyonce movement ,not everyone in the world behaves like Nigerians ,people love to live a normal life without sirens like most Nigerians who think they have money.

... in a court declaration ... by Ward Spangenberg.
Well, here's the link to Ward Spangenberg's COURT DECLARATION SUING UBER.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3227535-Spangenberg-Declaration.html

Read through and show us where he mentioned Beyonce in his declaration to the courts.

fabiano09:
una too like to form rubbish and argue without proof ,you think everyone thinks like a Nigerian ? this is a BBC article from 2016 where uber was accused of tracking Beyonce movement ,not everyone in the world behaves like Nigerians ,people love to live a normal life without sirens like most Nigerians who think they have money.

And you believe this rubbish you just posted?

fabiano09:
she does ,simple Google it ,there was even allegations that uber was spying on her account one time

She doesn't. Oga.
YOU GOOGLE IT!

And there's a difference between allegations and proven facts.

The kind of arguments we push in this space sef.

fabiano09:
even Beyonce that's worth millions of dollars uses uber ,then some rats in naija will claim too big,uber is very safe for riders and sometimes celebrities just wana go somewhere without all the fan fair ,I heard Beyonce stopped using uber because they found out uber was spying on people . The problem with naija is that it is a classist society and some people feel they shouldn't relate with commoners

Beyonce uses Uber? In US of A?

I don't think so.
But I might be wrong though.

Beyonce has shares in Uber. I know about that. Does she use Uber?

Again, I don't think so.

radautoworks:
This argument you guys are getting into is ridiculous for real. I'm a CEO/director of multiple companies both here and overseas and I will NOT get in Uber in Nigeria. None of my counterparts will either. We use Uber for deliveries and for my employees but not for us. In some European countries and US maybe but not here. It's not a pride thing. It's a security thing. when you are a target for competitors and desperate people you don't just get in any vehicle. On this thread I see some examples of why I wouldn't. There are some shining stars here that I wouldn't mind taking an Uber with but what are the odds of finding one?

I cannot kee myself or be dragging with someone so my life is easier. Just like when I gave my opinion as a rider on cancellations and it turned to fight. I cannot be quarreling over trivialities so why open myself up to that? There is nowhere I need to be that in an emergency I need an Uber. They will wait for me. That being said, I value other people's time and am where I'm supposed to be when I say I will and I expect the same from others.

Forget this argument. The people you are arguing over are oblivious and you could be using the energy to make more money and become like them.

P.s. 200 million is really not high net worth. That's just half a million dollars. He's doing well but that's not high net worth. Let the crucifying begin.

1 million likes ma.
I will You will buy me beer.

izzou:
Nitrigriti, sincerely, you and I reason differently.

And I wouldn't want to ruin this peaceful friendship with this matter. Let's let this issue rest. We may never find a common ground

How's work sir?

Work is fine jare. Don't mind me, I can be obstinate like that.

If you are free one of these days, just PM me, we can hook up. Office is around Adekunle, Yaba. I always hang out at E-Center after work so I don't have to drive in traffic.

At least both of us will have a chance to eat suya and drink beer and laugh at my foolishness.

Epphy:
Let's stop distracting nitigriti. He's a busy man o

Yes, I'm actually at work.
Today is a not-so-busy day for me.

izzou:
If the roads are bad, and you(nitrigriti) asks me to cancel, isn't that cherry-picking?

As long as the roads are bad, and we have a distorted traffic structure, drivers will continue to cherry pick and the service will continue to be unreliable

When I'm in Festac, I can never accept a trip to Satellite town which is less that 10km even if the surge is 3X. But I'll accept a trip to Lakowe, or even Bogije(areas without request).

I'll rather save my investment or that of my partner than please a system. It's neither my fault or uber that the roads are bad

What is your definition of a bad road?
And which roads in Lagos are good?

I never told any of my riders, not one single one, that "the road is bad, so I'm cancelling."

Our roads aren't wonderful, but any driver can navigate them with sense and still deliver the service he or she signed up on the platform for.

It is an attitude thing.

izzou:
Maybe I didn't understand you well.

Maybe you meant something can be wrong(to you) and still be professional

I apologize sir

Izzou, let me put this statement in other words for you.

It is not right for a driver to cherry-pick trips. It affects the reliability of the service.

Cherry-picking trips is wrong; cancelling trips for whatever reason (e.g. driver wants to go and poo or driver doesn't like the face of the rider) is neither wrong nor right.

Hope you get this now?

peeps4u:
We have all moved on from that incident, almost everyone agrees the driver was wrong. I was even the first person to support ornicus on that case. But your recent attempt making cancellation bad is off. You can't claim to once a driver on the platform and had canceled trips and now say drivers should get oof the platform if they are not satisfied, just for rejecting trips.
A driver can decided to decline as much as trips he wants, let uber decide if he is to be bounced or not. It is not the rider's call to make.

I never claimed cancellation is bad.

Let me give you a chance to win #10,000.
Just quote me on where I said cancellation is bad, then send your account number.

peeps4u:
Your posts are purely contradictory.

You clearly replied Izzou that driver can reject trip but should take his CSR off the platform since he is satisfied to play with the rules of uber.

You can't in one mouth justify your own rejections while you were on the platform and yet you were not asked or bullied to take your car off the platform for rejecting platform, and yet in another mouth saying drivers can reject trips but should take their cars off the platform since they aren't satisfied.

Rejecting trips doesn't mean a driver isn't satisfied on the trip but finds a certain trip not profitable for him, it can be profitable and cool for another driver.

I still say no rider has that right to tell driver when to leave the platform because he rejects trips. It is his car and uber also understands, that's why those drivers haven't been bounced off the platforms.

I see where the problem is.
Honestly, you don't understand.

northbird:
Boss, there's no need for such drastic measures, that's why the platform also created a leeway ( cancellations).

In the t&c you mentioned, the driver /partner can cancel if he feels unsafe about a trip.

There are roads in Lagos that can make u unsafe, terrain-wise.

You are not required by the T&C to complete all trips accepted.

Bolt tries to drive up completion rates among drivers, hence their bonus/ BTW 5am-9am.

I mentioned in the earlier thread. The bonuses should be tagged to such areas. This will make some drivers have a rethink n consider the cost/ benefit analysis.

I drive to point A (#1,600) fairly good roads.

I drive to point B (#1,600) terrible roads.

Most drivers would chose option A. This leaves the rider frustrated.

But consider this model

Destination A (#1,600)

Destination B (#1,600) + #1,500 completion bonus.

Trust me a lot of drivers would b tempted to reconsider.

This is the way to go.


As long as the algorithms at their servers will not do a differential pricing as regards location (not surge)

The cancellation of a thing will Neva stop.

You are absolutely correct!

peeps4u:
Like I stated before, let Uber decide that. You or no riders are not in position to tell drivers to take his car off the platform to cancellation. The fact that such driver is still on the platform for you or anyone to request means he's still within acceptable range of cancellation, which uber understands.

Let's stop making cancellation look a grievous offence just to five drivers bad names.

Since you don't understand, let me try to help you.

No driver or rider should use Uber or Taxify's stringent working conditions as an excuse to cheat any of the platforms.

If you get a trip to a place you don't like, cancel and move on. You would be a thief if you now told the rider "let's do this trip offline." Same, if the rider requests you and says, "let's do the trip offline." Off-lines are ethically correct only in those instances when the platform cannot provide the service the rider wants; for example, multiple stopovers over several hours during the day (Uber says 15 minute wait in-between trips is the max) or rider wants a car he or she can use for the whole day (both platforms don't support long — 2 hour or 3 hour — trips).

And when, as a driver, you cancel, be self-aware. Understand how you are impacting the platforms with your cancellations and keep them at a minimum. This is why both platforms bounce drivers off as a warning when cancellation reaches 20-25%.

I haf try. If you still don't get it after this long sermon, then something is wrong with me.

peeps4u:
That you accepted those trips doesn't mean all drivers should take it. Your good or average road might be bad for another.

Also, the trips you rejected at one time or the other would have been accepted by another driver.

So you can't stand here to pass judgement over cancellation. You can only advise drivers not to be rude and violent while rejecting trips.

Again, read my posts on this issue and reason them out. Then come here and tell me how it is different from what you've just posted.

peeps4u:
Seems Nitigriti feels only his cancellation was right. He saidnhere that he also used to cancel trip bit would wait for the riders to get new rides and stay in his car till a new car came.
I asked what makes your own cancellation right? Because another driver that candles doesn't wait for rider to get another ride or because the rider is not Nitigriti.

Cancellation isn't wrong, only when a driver is rude or unprofessional while neglecting the trip.
You can cancellation trip fro many reasons;
1. Bad roads
2. Flooded area
3. Far place.
4. Getting late.
And many more.

No driver that justifiably cancelled or cancels for any of these above reasons can condemn another for cancelling for bad roads.

No one's cancellation on the platform is right or wrong. Everyone has a right to cancel.

But whosoever's cancellation reaches 25% in the week on any of the platforms gets bounced.

There is a difference between the two.
#logicalreasoning

I have no words for @peeps4u. I'll just let you continue in your folly.

What do I know?

brogxy:
Then a thief is still a thief no matter how small you stole.
You still cancelled which Uber frowns against.

Uber doesn't frown at cancellations.
Uber frowns when your cancellation rate reaches a maximum it has set.

#logicalreasoning

thelastorca:
Take it. You win some, you lose some. Not every project is going to be sweet. Not every job is going to be fantastic. The way you handle the difficult jobs is what makes you. You will not be doing uber forever. You will work somewhere or even have your own business. And you will sometimes find you have to take bad of low profit jobs. It is what it is. Will you reject a fantastic trip if offered? So why do you want to cherry pick the jobs that come your way?

Do you think your fledgling business would flourish with that attitude?

@Izzou this is the essence of what I said. Drivers shouldn't cherry-pick trips. During my time as a driver, I regularly accepted Festac, Alimosho, Mowe, Alagbole, Akute, Agbara trips.

Are the roads fantastic?
No.
But I accepted those trips because I HAD A DUTY TO THE PLATFORM! My philosophy on those kinds of trips is TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION. Remember, I once stated on this thread, that there is a difference when you speed into a pothole at 120km/h and crawl into the same pothole at 5km/h.

izzou:
Nitigriti, I'm sorry but I think you are contradicting yourself

You said its unprofessional to reject trips

You are saying the driver should leave the platform if he doesn't want to damage his car

So if I get a request from you to a location with bad roads, what do I do?
Are you saying I damage my car because I want to be professional?
Or I should cancel the trip?
Or I should cancel and leave the platform totally?

If you get a request to a location with bad roads, SIMPLY CANCEL