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whitelexi:
Cheating = Cheating
[Cheating]x2 = Cheating
Therefore, [Cheating]xn = Cheating

Therefore, having more than one back-up = same crime as having only one back-up

Am pleased we agree on this . . .  . . . DARTH LEXI . . . 

Hence why I am blunt enough to crucify myself . . . since as far as I am concerned, once a man starts giving a lady the signals . . . it then amounts to cheating if the same man starts flirting with other ladies . . .

@tiatma

Can we (both) now please allow the thread to go its way and not contribute to its derailment . . .

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tiatma:
Good, pleased that you "never said the Bible said you should never die to the flesh" but you did say "Bible believers do not need to die to obtain salvation . . . "

Who are the bible believers? Those that believe in the logos isnt it?

Statements or postings when not explicit, can turn ambiguous

Dont misconstrue my response as a criticism or attack but rather supplemental

Love ya with the love of Christ

Good, pleased that you "never said the Bible said you should never die to the flesh" but you did say "Bible believers do not need to die to obtain salvation . . . "

If I am going to be truthful with you,  the truth is that I am not moved by whether you are pleased or not pleased. . . no offense but thats just my mindset as I speak.

Bear in mind that they are sideliners reading the postings that might get hold of the wrong end of a handle to hold on to

EDIT:

I would suggest you actually take time to go through what you responded to (i.e. my original statement) . . . cus your response was based on something that was non-existent, considering that its reasonably accurate for me to say that:

- I did not say what you imply that I said . . .
- Hence your response in itself is based on what was not said . . .
- I have gone as far as to show you that even your idea of saying "someone dies to the flesh" in order to obtain salvation is  heretical and unbiblical.
- No addition is needed to what the Bible has already made clear.

Hence in future I would suggest that you please take time to actually properly check the context of the post you are responding to considering that its very clear that your response was (then) was completely at odds with the context of my statement (which you responded to).

I also sometimes make the same mistake a few times, hence I am not suprised that you did.

Who are the bible believers? Those that believe in the logos isnt it?

I sincerely do not have time for this merry go round . . .can you please refer to my previous posting for your answer. . . I believe have already answered the question you are asking again.

Bear in mind that they are sideliners reading the postings that might get hold of the wrong end of a handle to hold on to

Yes I know, hence why I always try to do my best to make sure that my anger, ego and pride is in check whenever I am trying to post a response that is bound to affect the spiritual live of people that might be reading.

I know I am not perfect hence sometimes I know I make mistakes. . . with my statements. However on this occasion, I do not believe such is that case. Cus as far as i can see. . . your implication as regards my statements was not actually true. Rather, I would prefer to consider it as something you think I said, and not something I actually said .

I am not perfect, hence why I am not ashamed to admit it when I realise that I am wrong . . . Hence why i do my best to suppress my ego, anger and pride and then offer a public apology on nairaland when I realise that I have made a mistake with my statements.


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If I have insulted you in the above statements and past statements, I offer my apologies in advance . . .

@missyB

EDIT:

I am a very blunt person. I am blunt with people as I am blunt with myself.

Hence even me self i dey fear my own bluntness at times  . . . but to be frank, from experience, my bluntness is good and useful in most cases (such as this). 

Hence as far as I am concerned . . .

- Flirting with another lady when you are not supposed to is equivalent to cheating . . .
- In my own book, you do not have to sleep with another lady before i consider it to be cheating . . . hence when i say I am guilty of the same , I am not saying that I am sleeping around NEITHER am I saying that I did exactly what the lady did.

Nope I am only saying that:

I AM ALSO GUILTY OF STALLING AND ALSO TRYING TO KEEP MY OPTIONS OPEN.

The truth is that the very act of trying to keep your options open is technically cheating . . . if we want to be frank with ourselves . . .


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In my book,

- When a lady flirts with another guy even though she has already commenced a semblance of convo with another guy . . . that is technically a form of cheating.
- The same applies to a guy . . .

So in reality . . . the idea of saying you have  backup  is cheating pure and simple.

EDIT:

Missy B:

EDIT:

Nope it does not mean what I think you think . . .


What i mean is that i am guilty of extreme flirting with other ladies . . . even when i know i should not be flirting when I am already giving a lady the signals.

Nezan:
You mean mohammed's arabic was different from those of the other arabs who were following him?

you also mean that it now takes science to understand arabic when koran contradicts science in regards to the shape of the earth? you people are just funny

, you claim koran was a miracle but today, even you muslims wont understand it without science? what a delusion!

you claim koran was a miracle but today, even you muslims wont understand it without science? what a delusion!

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Now you know why its not really a very good thing in Islam for someone to like asking questions . . .

ASKING QUESTIONS AND USING YOUR BRAIN IS A DANGEROUS THING FOR A MUSLIM TO DO CUS HE OR SHE IS BOUND TO FIND OUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DISCOVERED.

No2Atheism:
But that is technically cheating . . . . . .

kech:
It is cheating. I don't support it, but that's what happens, and this situation reeks of it.

server34:
Seriously!

To be frank and truthful . . .I myself I am also guilty of the same . . .

kech:
I talk am oooo  Look, move on. I'm serious. She's still keeping in touch cos she needs to make sure your end is solid. Her mind is really somewhere else, most likely with "that guy". The fact of the matter is, at this point, "that guy" is not forth coming so you are her INSURANCE, someone to fall back on in case all else fails. A lot of ladies do this. Please run!! This is not true love. Don't deceive yourself. And Pray please, cos you are beginning to sound coco  

But that is technically cheating . . . . . .

The way she talks, the way she smiles, even the way she makes me hate her for toying with my emotions, all this makes me love her even more! I see her face everytime I close my eyes. Av met several girls after her, and I cant help mentioning her when am with other girls. I go to bars to get drunk, pick up girls from the club and sleep with em. I never used to do these things, now I do all of em in an attempt to get her off my mind. BUT NO. . . SHE'S LIKE A MELODY IN MY HEAD THATS STUCK ON REPLAY.

Whats the meaning of all that nonsense . . . you better get real with yourself

@whitelexi

- In as much as one (including me) is tempted to gloat in that kind of relationship . . . its still not worth it.

- Yes she possibly made a mistake . . .but remember that we men also tend to do the same to women . . .

FL Gators:
You should try to differentiate infatuation from love.

At the end, what really matters is how you really feel about her.

Gators is growing before my very eyes . . . yipee . . . .  

Nice response . . . i am impressed.


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@poster

Be real with yourself . . . in most cases . . .online relationships are either hormonal or sexual or infactuation.

You cannot love the person until you actually know the person . . . anyone that says otherwise is lying to you.

Becuase someone is attractive does not mean you love the person . . . infact it might just mean that you are attracted to the image you see but not the person represented by the image.

Do yourself a favour and cut yourself off from her . . . . HER PRESENCE IN NIGERIA HAS ALREADY GIVEN YOU A TASTE OF WHAT YOU CAN HAVE WEN YOU ACTUALLY GET TO LIVE WITH HER.

The initial stages of a relationship are usually when most people are in their best behaviour (i know cus i not a novice as far as relationships are concerned), hence once you start having doubts and difficulty with trust early on in the relationship . . . the reality is that something is fundamentally wrong . . .

Trust is everything . . . hence that she has already caused you mistrust her is enough ammunition for you to realise that there is fire on the mountain . , hence the reason for you to move on with your life . . .


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@poster

I have my own standards of beauty (i.e. the kind of people am attracted to etc) . . . nevertheless what i have found out from experience is that:

- A lady might meet and even exceeed your standard of beauty and yet for some unknown reason . . . you would prefer not to choose her as a partner. Infact you might find out that what you feel towards her does not go beyond asthestics and sex.

- A lady might just be okay as far as your own standards are concerned and yet for some unknown reason, you find yourself falling more and more in love with her.

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@poster

HERE IS MY ADVICE TO YOU:

. . . CUT HER OFF . . .

SHE HAD HER CHANCE AND SHE BLEW IT.

toluxa1:
If I were a Muslim, i will be ashamed of this Abuzola of a guy. He makes himself look so stupid and unlearned. Sometimes I don't even know how to explain things to him. He shows a vivid sign of brainwashing. All he believes is what He was been (wrongly) thought. When he doesnt have any reasonable answer (which is the case most of the time), he just keeps repeating the same nonsense over and over (like an enchantment).

Settle down and Learn bro.

Am telling you . . . sometimes i wonder if Abuzola is really a muslim . . .

Sometimes i wonder if Abuzola is really a former muslim that is intentionally behaving that way so as to make people realise how stupid and illogical Islam really is . . .

What i keep telling people on nairaland is that I would prefer that Abuzola continues to talk because i have noticed that the more he talks and speaks the more damage he is doing to the reputation and credibility of islam . . .cus he continues to show how inconsistent and illogical Islam really is . . .

@Abuzola

You need to stop stealing meanings and words from the Bible . . .

You need to start reading the quran . . .and telling us what the quran says and stop using words and meaning in the Bible to try to tell us what the quran says . . .

- If the word Arch-angel is mentioned in the Quran then tell us . . . but please stop using Bible meanings and references to cook up what was not mentioned in the quran. . .

- Give us the Arabic names and meanings of the things you are mentioning and stop trying to use Biblical names and meanings . . .

olabowale:
Mr Pride himself has already condemned himself! How? He refuses to accept God as One Who Indivisible!



@noetic15 (m): « #37 on: Yesterday at 11:38:40 PM » Listen to this bare foot trekking, Suntana dragging Keferi man in London. You think this is your human god Bible Jesus and the ghostly thing doing by mounting female virgin to get her pregnant and the sedintary arm chair sitting parts of the trinity? We worship Allah, and not allah! Big difference. Try this for size, Noetic 2 is different from Noetic15. No? Yet Allah is completely Independent from what you associate with Him! We say shaitan that we curse and by the way we say Allah Whom All Praises belongs, obviously the two are different. No, unless you dont read English?

And to answer your last question, do you see Shaitan? No. But Shaitan can be represented and thats what happened. Whereever this friend of your may be when he is being stoned he is humiliated. Allah guarantees it!



@No2Atheism (m): « #38 on: Today at 05:38:41 AM » Show us where Jesus said the above? And I will show you where Jesus will say to the Christians including Paul on the day of Judgement, "I do not know thee!"


In all of the above, there is no place that God Almighty Whom Jesus prostrated his face to in the garden of gashemane, and cried and wept and begged and petitioned in many places was mentioned. There is no place where ghost is mentioned, too. Everything is about the man-god who never stopped begging and declared "pf my own power, I can do nothing", and also "not as by my will but by Your Will!" This dude is more shayatini than Shaitan, but he does not know it!


Neither of you Keferis is correct since you associate gods with God!

WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT . . . .

Can you please try to stay on point and stop going off topic for goodness sake. . .

Please learn to focus on replying to the post itself and stop all this irrelevancies . . . to be frank i sometimes cannot make head or tail of what it is that you are posting.

Its almost like you are talking about something else completely different from the post you are trying to reply to.

olabowale:
@No2Atheism: « #33 on: Yesterday at 10:00:02 PM » Hajji is the least of the foundamentals of Islam. A mere shahada without even making a single salah is enough to make a person be people of jannah, if death occurs immediately after just "laa ilaha ilallah", yet not completed the Shahada. The intention to make it is even enough if death occurred! This is unlike your deeping yourself in the stinking blood in the jar! (lol). Yet the blood cant even get rid of the one who shed it away from death, and you are talking of never dying you slaves to human god? Funny guys.

And as to the washing away of sin, there is a dua that says separate me from my sins as east is separate from west. Washing me clean of my sin as white garment is wash clean of stain/dirt and purity me with snow and frost! Your Christian shaitan established religion have none of these, you know!

- Bottom line is that the idea of washing away of sins is being stolen from the bible . . .

- Salvation is not a carnal matter of being able to clean your body with soap and then go ahead to have sex with 9 yr old Aisha or multiple minds . . .

- Having a clean body does not equate to having a clean mind . . . so whether you like . . . continue to wash your body day and night, it makes no difference so long has your mind if filthy . . . and so long as your soul does not know the joy of salvation . . .

- Even your false prophet mohammed could not guarantee you salvation without you having to kill yourself . . . hence why Terrorist are willing to kill themselves just to attain that salvation. . .

- If you like headbutt the ground day and nigth and stone the devil till you turn blue in the face . . .it still does not give you salvation of your soul.

tiatma:
Oyb said

you responded

and I still maintain that

one needs to [size=14pt]die to flesh[/size] in order to obtain salvation

The flesh must die (e.g. swallow the pride of life) to obtain salvation isnt it?

What exactly is your point . . . cus i don't get it. . . cus to be frank . . . I do not see the point or basis of your argument.

1. I never said the Bible said you should never die to the flesh. . . (CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME WHERE I SAID OTHERWISE)

2. My statement that you are responding to was based on the context that one cannot physically die to in order to obtain his salvation . . .i.e. you cannot buy your own salvation by physically dying yourself. (CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS OTHERWISE)

3. Dying to the flesh does not buy you your salvation . . . instead it is a consequence of your salvation and not the cause (CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS OTHERWISE).

4. Dying to the flesh is the consequence of your salvation and not the cause . . .

5. Are you a muslim trying to justify the so called dying in islam or are you a bible believer trying to score a personal point . . . cus to be frank I do not even know what the basis of your argument is all about . . .

6. LET ME REPEAT SINCE IT SEEMS YOU DID NOT SEE MY POINT AND HENCE SEEM TO BE FIGHTING AN UNNECESSARY BATTLE . . .


my context of saying you do not need to die was based on the context of someone implying that the muslim's death might have an effect on the salvation of the muslim that died . . .



7. Even for a Bible believer . . .

- CHOOSING TO PHYSICALLY DIE  . . . DOES NOT GUARANTEE SALVATION.

- IT IS NOT THE DEATH OF THE SINNER THAT GUARANTEES SALVATION.

- IT IS THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF THE MESSIAH THE GUARANTEED SALVATION OF EVERYONE THAT CHOOSES TO BELIEVE.

- BEING ABLE TO DIE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF KNOWING YOU ARE SAVED IS NOT WHAT SAVES YOU, YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU ARE SAVED EVEN BEFORE YOU DIE . . .

one needs to die to flesh in order to obtain salvation

Let me interprete what you just said . . . so that you can see how heretic this statement really is.

- Basically your statement is saying that the works of righteousness (dying to the flesh in this case) is what is needed to obtain salvation.

- that statement quoted above is flat out wrong, heretic and unbiblical.

- Kindly show me a place in the bible that says that your works of righteousness is what makes one to obtain salvation.

- The bible makes it very clear that our works of righteous are unacceptable to the Creator (no matter how hard we try) . . . it is not what guarantees our salvation.

- INSTEAD EVERYONE IS SAVED ONLY BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE MESSIAH. . . .we are not saved because we choose to die for Christ or because we choose to die for the Bible or because we choose to die for our faith. Those are evidences of our faith and salvation and not the other way round.

RNKJV


Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of יהוה:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in the Messiah Yahushua unto good works, which יהוה hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the favor of Yahushua the Messiah we shall be saved, even as they.


KJV

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.




- Does that mean we should continue in sin after being saved by Grace through Faith: NO

- Does that mean we should deny The Messiah by refusing to die for him when we are faced with the option of either death or denying The Messiah - NO


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[size=15pt] So please can you kindly tell me: what exactly is it that you are arguing about or better still can you tell me exactly what it is that i said wrong and which you seem to be trying to imply, cus as far as i can see, the context of my statement is correct and even the general basis of salvation in the bible has absolutely nothing to do with whether you choose to die or not. . . the willingness of a bible believer to die for his faith is an evidence of knowing he or she is saved. It is not the cause of the salvation itself.

So if you think the death of a believer is the cause of the salvation itself . . . i think you need to consider what the bible is saying one more time . . . because that is flat out wrong and heretic.

Dying to the flesh does not guarantee your salvation . . .it is the evidence that you are saved . . .

Your salvation is guaranteed by you being saved by Grace through Faith in The Messiah . . .

Your own personal death has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation . . .

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I do not know your motive for your responses only you know that nevertheless please note that:

1. WHAT I SAID IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I SAID.

2. WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING BY YOUR OWN STATEMENTS IS COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL AND HERETICAL


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I would henceforth no longer respond to your replies . . . in order not to turn this into an unnecessary argument that would only end up derailing this thread . . .

THANK YOU 

tiatma:
Am not sure of the context that precipitated or surrounded the above statement . . .

but dare I say that one needs to [size=14pt]die to flesh[/size] in order to obtain salvation

Am not sure of the context that precipitated or surrounded the above statement . . .

Check the statements that i quoted and that i was replying to in order to see my context . . .

oyb:
assuming the guy's hajj[b] was[/b] accepted, it is best for him - one way ticket to aljanah - his sins have been washed away - what christians would call a state of grace

odd that christians who make so much noise about the love of their god seem to shy away from death - how do you expect to meet him

So going to Hajj is not even a guarantee of Al jannah . . . hence the use of the word "asuming" . . .you still are not sure if it would be accepted. . . (by who).

1. Bible believers do not need to die to obtain salvation . . .

2. Death is not a guarantee of salvation . . .

3. Just like Davidylan has said . . . "what do you mean by washing away of sins", when did the concept of washing away of sins start getting into islam . . . abi u wan plagiarise that one too . . .

JeSoul:
Of all the atheists that commented on this thread, only Krayola and Bawo exhibited the appropriate response. Two of the coolest dudes in this section.

@topic, No2 you're looking for trouble again 

don't mind me . . .

wirinet:
I am sure the picture was taken off a creationist's site to poke fun at evolutionists. But i will tell you what is wrong and what is right with the picture.

What is wrong with the Picture;

1.The photo is a terrible photoshop job, Its is too blurry and the attachments of the heads are horrible, especially the one before the final man. Also some of the body proportions are off

The representation of the evolution of man is wrong.  The first in line is clearly a modern day gorilla, and evolutionary theory never said that the modern day gorilla metamorphosed to man (apologies to david). It says we share the same ancestor with modern gorilla more than 6 million years ago.

The picture is clearer now . . . . . .

What is Right;
The change of skin colour is correct. This is an attempt to represent the evolution of a white man. Since all men accept that their evolutionary migration started from Africa, it is logical for the skin to change from black (where there is ample sunlight) to white (where the sunlight is less). If the Mongoloids (chinese) also draw their evolutionary path, they would begin with the black ancestor.

Now you are getting the hidden agenda . . .

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=359701.msg5026558#msg5026558 date=1259627712]On sunday I went to Church, during the sermon a man(who looked married and rich) stood up and was walking out when all of a sudden a young beautiful girl began running and screaming Chief! Chief! Chief!, the man didn't hear her, as the congregation watched on she suddenly ran to the man and the man began smiling and handling her like crazy and I suspected that he was her sugar daddy because she looked very young, the man wouldn't let go of her he continued to kiss her right there in front of the congregation and the girl didn't care when all of a sudden he brought out something that looked like a cheque book and began writing although I didn't know what he was writing, I suspected it was a cheque, he gave it to her and she started smiling and he started caressing her and then they both left.

Guys what would you have done if this two annoying people were doing this in front of you in the Church? [/quote]What is the meaning of this kind of unrealistic posts now . . . haba at least try to make it as believable as possible . . . you make it so obvious that it was made up . . .

Muslims . . . rapture . . .


i laugh in Klingon . . . .

Uncle Sege has boxed these people into a corner . . . 

They have only two options . . . either they agree to obey the constitution and lose two years out of their 8 years . . .or they try to fight the scenario and hence end up speeding up the break up of Nigeria.

FBS:
If we knew all the answers to every question then my guess is that the world would not be in this state.
These folks are very calculating in their steps but it clear that for now, their mission is to divert attention.
Why? That is the million pound question!!!

Its good to know that there is another person out there . . . that is capable of reading inbetween the lines . . .

Its unfortunate that most people seem to be contented with just swallowing whatever either the West says or whatever the Arabs say . . .

FBS:
Exactly but really, I knew (and still think) The US government knew/know where obl was/is. Whatever is going down will have to be massive because Obama has approved additional number of troops heading to afghanistan. Certainly there must be a connection.  All these politicians now going on video are simply playing their role.

Are they after osama - It shouldn't be hard. All they have to do is strike a deal with the saudi king and he will fish out the number 1 terrorist.

Or is this a different agenda?

- Very very true . . .

- Nevertheless i don't mind them playing there role so long as people start to wake up . . . if its just one person per day that wakes up from the slumber cus of the role playing of the politician, that is still fine by me . . .

- The next stage of the wake up process is to now try to second guess them as to what they are trying to do so as to know in advance before they do what they seek to do . . . cus just like you have said: WHY HAVE THEY STARTED BECOMING TRUTHFUL ALL OF A SUDDEN.

FBS:
Fire on the mountain!
A question though, why are they all just talking now?

Very good question . . . hence why i am also very skeptical of those who are talking.

Its almost like there is something else about to go down that they are trying to distract people from . . . otherwise . . . why would a politician want to jeopardise his or her career by telling the truth such as those in the above video.

Are there rising sea levels . . . YES

Is it caused by Humans . . . NO

What is causing it . . . EARTH'S CLIMATE HAS ALWAYS BEEN CHANGING

Has the Earth experienced Hotter and Colder Climate before now . . . YES. . . Greenland is being called Green land because it was once green when the Earth's Climate was once warmer than now

So if humans are not the cause, what is the cause of Earth's Historical changes in Climate . . . The SUN.

Is there scientific evidence of this . . .YES






[size=15pt]POLLUTION IS NOT EQUAL TO CLIMATE CHANGE[/size]






. . . Do not allow yourself to be duped . . . Europeans and their cohorts are only in it for the money a.k.a Carbon Tax . . .

Even the so called idea that Glaciers are retreating is now being put unders scrutiny. . .



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8355837.stm

0hsisi:
Let me help you 4play
Niger Republic,a country larger in landmass than Nigeria has a population of 15 million.
Nigeria has 150 million.
They(Niger republic) are made of arid and semi arid region just like the far north.
Now, how on earth could the far north be more populated than Niger republic that mirrors their terrain and perhaps birthrate as you suggest since they are both mainly Muslim regions?
How could they be more populated than southern Nigeria?
You've actually defeated your  own argument and this  tells me that perhaps the northeners and by extension Muslims in Nigeria are far  less than I initially  thought.

_{I'm good,you got to admit that}

that is a knockout punch

Andre Uweh:
In Ibadan Region, there might be more christians than muslims but Ibadan indigenes are mostly muslims. Having said that, Islam in Ibadan is static and has not been witnessing any growth. In fact by 2030, the adherents of celestial church and eternal sacred order of cherubim will be at per with their muslim counterparts. I suspect that by 2050 Islam will wither away in Ibadan except something is done now. But what can muslims do to stop Islamic extinction in Ibadan?.

And I an Oyo State indigene . . .  . . disagree with your opinion.

oyb:
^^^^^

no2atheism and his conspiracy theory mania   

So sad to be black, called OYB and then brainwashed by both Europeans and Arabs . . . 

Do i support useof Solar Panels . . . yes . , cus i support any technological invention that improves our lifestyle and reduces out dependence on non-renewable energy sources.

Do i support Global Warming . . . no . . .cus its a fraud.