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[quote author=Tudór link=topic=362489.msg5059141#msg5059141 date=1260112537]Scratch that. . . If we were so intelligently designed, why are there errors in transcription and replication of DNA which often lead to genetic disorders.[/quote]hear urself.

Does the nature of DNA allow for transcription and replication? replication is a man-made concept, its failure is as a result of man limited knowledge.
The design process of DNA suggests a super-designer, who was intelligent enough to make each DNA unique. . .this is not rocket science. . or is it?

@Noetic.
When did you kill my daddy?

I tot oyedepo killed him with tithes and offering demands

isorry4u:
Even at 12 years of age, I thought something was not right with the "let there be light and there was light" story. My mom always told me I asked too many questions. My inquisitive mind must have been activated at 8 when I lost my dad.  My poor mom had to deal with my constant questions - When will dad return? Who made God? What was there before God? What was it like before anything was created? I was warned I would go crazy if I continued to ask these questions.

So because ur daddy died. . . .u stopped believing in God
u are not alone so was banom. . .so is mazaje, toneyb, huxley and tudor.

I wonder why this creator will not modify this DNA code to fix the evil in the world. Programmers usually can fix bugs in their codes by re-writing them. Why does he/she allow free will to rule?

The same reason why the creator did not use the DNA to prevent u from coming online, logging into nairaland and making the above post.

Kay 17:
@ poster, why then did science take up the challenge to discover it?

Do u know the meaning of science at all?. Human inquisition is best explained as science.
So if by human knowledge we understand the intricate programming involved in human cells. . . . . .how do we explain their diversity, authenticity and originality?
Does it not require a more intelligent being to write such?. . .

Kay 17:
it more or less backs up the core of evolution. it proves the ability and form with which creatures can transfer advantageous traits to the next generation and with time make a big difference. Stick to the 6 day creation story.

There is nothing in the O or about DNA that generally supports evolution. . .for crying out loud.
how do u ascertain that creatures transfer advantageous traits to next generations using DNA? . . . . is it a coincidence that no two persons DNA are the same?

intelligence might be expensive. . . . .but try knowledge.

KunleOshob:
The bible acknowledges he existence of other god and that is why God said we should not worship any other god besides him. In effect there are lesser gods but we have only one God almighty who is the creator God who is the only one worthy of worship. In my opinion the lesser gods could be the fallen angels who appeared to ancient men after the fall. Ancient men desrcibed anybody that had supernatural attributes has god. That perhaps accounts for the so many gods we have in different cultures all over the world. Another plausible theory is the extra-terrestrial gods theory. This theory suggests that Aliens visited the earth in the distant past and lived amongst men as gods[genesis 6:1-6 supports this theory]. This aliens were resident in different commuities all over the world and were seen as gods by people. The gods of various cultures were probably the the extra terrestrials they came in contact with, but then again this is an unconfirmed theory.

This is evasive.

The discussion is based primarily on the divinity of Jesus. . . .and His subsequent relationship with God almighty. if u see my last post, I said "Gods" and not "gods".
you claimed that Jesus is inferior to the almighty God. . . . . . . does this not contradict the claims of Jesus Himself, that He is both Alpha and Omega? This implies that all other things/beings are in-between. How then do u explain a greater God who is neither alpha or omega?

jagunlabi:
No, i never claimed that the creator of the universe does not exist.But i claimed that the christian god does not exist, or at best, a phoney trying to usurp the post of the creator, but just can't fit in 'cos it is far too big a post for him to handle. But his followers like you just won't go belly up.

so whats the difference between the creator of the universe and the xtian God?

KunleOshob:
Contrary to how you and some nairalanders try to mis-represent me, i have no doubt what so ever about the divinity of Jesus however i am not from the trinity school of thought that preaches three in one God or that Jesus is co-equal to his father as this heresy is very contrary to the position of the bible on who christ is. For the purpose of clarity i would restate my positon. Jesus being the son of God is also a God, however God almighty who is his father is greater than him and he is also answerable to God.

so how many Gods exist and what is their relationship?

Just a count down . . . . .what topics were the most explosive and controversial on nairaland in the religion section for the year 2009.

1. Allah?: any attempt by anyone to discuss the origin of allah, [etc] is usually met with a ban and the thread locked.
certain people are uncomfortable with discussing or exposing the true origins of allah.
RSVP: mukina, jarus, osisi, nezan, olabowale, abuzola, Godson, DavidDylan,  No2atheism, muhsin, noetic. . . . . . . . 

2. "prophet" mohammed: one of the unspoken rules of nairaland is not to open a thread to discuss the "prophethood" of mohammed, to discuss mohammed is to ask for a ban or your thread locked.
RSVP: mukina, jarus, osisi, nezan, olabowale, abuzola, Godson, DavidDylan,  No2atheism, muhsin, uplawal, fellis, oyb, mazaje, tudor, noetic. . . . . . . .

3. Evolution v Creationism: Many resident atheists worship the god of evolution. . .as it is their only alternative to creationsm. yet evolution does not conform to the basic definition of science. the scientific nature of evolution cannot be established. the ignorant claim that creationism relies on faith cannot stand the test of intellectual scrutiny, the many scientific notions and evidences that easily support creationism are discarded by the worshippers of evolution.

Anytime a thread is opened on evolution or creationism . . . ,  .then its a nairaland religion war. This topic has the ability to expose the ignorance of many "alleged scientists"
RSVP: David, KAG, huxley, tudor, toneyb, mazaje, noetic, duduspace, krayola, wirinet, olaadegbu. . . . . .  , 

4. God: The religion section is about spirituality so it should not be a surprise that God is a hot topic. many have divergent opinions on the existence, ontology, divinity and personality of God. The minimum number of pages for any thread that discusses this topic is usually 5 pages in the first hour.
RSVP: David, KAG, huxley, tudor, toneyb, mazaje, noetic, duduspace, krayola, Jesoul, Pastor Aio, olabowale, pilgrim, wirinet, olaadegbu. . . . . .  , 

5. Divinity of Jesus: apart from the plagiarism of islam and the frauds of allah. . .the divinity of Jesus is the most explosive topic especially between muslims and xtians.
RSVP: olabowale, David, KunleOshob, N_nwankwo, noetic, toneyb, muhsin, abuzola, uplawal, olaadegbu

6. tithing and church fraud.: The biblical position on tithe is subject to debates and analyses. also the extravagant lifestyle of our "pastors" oyedepo, oyakilome, adeboye et all
RSVP: kunleoshob, pilgrim, olaadegbu, tudor . . . . . . . . . . . .

7. The way to heaven: Nairaland has brought a new group of persons who refuse to acknowledge the divinity of Jesus, or His ontology. . . .neither do they follow His explicit teachings. . .  .yet they claim that they are entitled to get to Jesus heaven by a function of their imagination. their most potent weapon is to call opposer's dogmatic.
RSVP: kunleOshob, PastorAio, Deepsight, noetic, David, Jesoul, M-nwankwo, . . . . . . . ,  .

8. african religions: It is only on nairaland that u will see people claim Jesus is black and that ifa and orunmila are part of xtianity
RSVP: no2atheism, pastorAio,

jagunlabi:
God hates rich people, but his numerous churches don't mind using their cash donations to buy jet planes for their pastors.

but i tot u claim God does not exist? how can a nihilant being hate rich people? are u confused?

@OP

u are so right. why would anyone in their right senses believe that islam is a man-made religion. cos man-made things have a lot more credibility than islam.

islam is an unsuccessful plagiarism of xtinaity and an unfortunate elevation of an arabian idol called allah by an uninformed and blood thirsty paedophile illiterate known as mohammed.
islam is an unfortunate and ill done fraud. . .rational men would have taken time out to plan such a fraud.

huxley:
Banom,

If it is true that you have converted back to Christianity, I put it to you that you are really not a TRUE CHRISTIAN. And as such you are in grave danger of de-converting back again to un-belief.

How can you show us that you are know a TRUE Christian?

he does not have to show u anything. . . .thats between he and his maker.

4kasibe:
[b][/b][color=#770077][/color]ARE YOU PEOPLE PREPARING FOR THIS YEAR SHILLO? STARTING ON WEDNESDAY.

so u are still preparing for shiloh. . . even after the occultic beliefs of oyedepo has been exposed?

abuzola has lost interest . . . . .hez only interested in paedophilia, jihad and suicide bombing. . . .anything more is a waste of time.

Noetic - just myself. . . . . .

OLAADEGBU - wise, knowledgeable. u can always admire his calm approach and point blank analyses.

DaviDylan - has a rich knowledge of the bible. . .and also this effortless way of passing his points across. . . though u must forgive his parlancial use of "FOOLS" and "STUPID"  

Deep Sight - he and krayola earn my deep respect for their appetite for knowledge and rich debates and also hearing others out no matter how divergent their views are,  . . . though I must add that deepsight is very very very very very. . . DOGMATIC in his beliefs.  

Pastor AIO - I hardly ever agree with him. . . .but pastor has a rich arsenal of knowledge and is an amiable person.  

Uplawal- terrorist in training.  

Mama-gee (f) - lol   trust mam-gee for meaningless posts   _{no harm intended}

Hubreality - worships Chris oyakilome

MrCrackles - just dont like the dude. . .he could be funny though.

Osisi or Ohsisi - anti-islam crusader.  

No2Atheism - intreasting and opinionated  

Huxley - smart dude,  . . he knows his onions.  

Okija-juju - fun

Abuzola - terrorist, paedophile, jihadist, ignoramus. . .idolator  

KunleOshob - anti-tithe crusader  . . . . . I feel that kunleOshob has a deep interpretation of the message of Love by Jesus, but just cant express it. . .or maybe I just cant comprehend him. we hardly ever agree. His analyses are honest and non-egoic.

Tpia - lofly and fun.  

Krayola - Along with Deepsight he has an enviable apetitte for knowledge and rich debates. if not for their dogma's I would have said that they are the most open minded posters in the religious section. . . . .actually they are.

Banom - fun. . . . . always saw him as a tribalist jester. ,  . .he has just won my heart with his recent conversion. . . .he has also won tpia's heart  

Olabowale - Opinionated, of great convictions. . . . .he has my deepest respect for his beliefs.  

Manmustwac - Cool and fun.  

Mazaje - One of the most interesting guys on nairaland. I have learnt a lot from him and other atheists, that there is more to life than my world view. though I strongly disagree with their views. Mazaje is an opinionated intellectual anyday. . though very biased and dogmatic.  

Modupe01  - comes up with great research materials.  

Ogaga4Luv - definitely possessed by a demon. I neither find him intriguing, interesting or fun.  

Jagunlabi -  opinionated

Tudor - fun, smart and knows his onions.  

May Kelly - fun.  

Chrisbenogor - cool  

SeanT21 - cool  

Bawomolo - fun esp with his one-liners  

Je seoul - shez a sweet heart. . . opinionated, honest and very feminine and a great accumen  

Nezan - great guy and knows his onions  

kolaxy - knowledgeable  

Toneyb - fun and opinionated 

muhsin - calm and opinionated

uplawal:
@DAVID,ignorant dude,check the QURAN now since you have it right beside you,its there plenty

just show him where allah got it from. . . . . I am not surprised u dont know

lol. . . nice post. . . . .and why is ur name not on the list.

olabowale:
shayatin is happy that another shayatin put on his type of garb! noetic15, a disbeliever in all its forms is still a disbeliever; atheist, agnostics, christian, jew, hindu, etc are still kufar!

why should anyone believe in the arabian idol called allah?. . . . I am a PROUD disbeliever in allah.

banom:
any way like davidylan, me too isorry4u , this 21 century that every one is waking up to reality of life , you found joy in leaving a light your Dad born you into and you want to go back to Darkness, Enjoy sha, I cant wait to peep from heaven and see you in hell.

what a new banom

SeanT21:
I am a female.

u are welcome babe

Deep Sight:
Alright: here's an allegation: NOETIC AND DAVIDYLAN ARE THE SAME POSTER USING TWO DIFFERENT IDS.

but why would I need a new username when I could create NOETIC1,000,000?

Deep Sight:
^^^ Clearly the reason is obvious, you will probably be his favourite as well. . .

He is your favourite because HE AGREES WITH YOU.

you are entitled to your opinion.

but I said it is a very hard choice . . .why cos I like mazaje, m_nwankwo and tudor for their world view and opinionated posts,  . .  , kunleoshob for his succinct analyses and beliefs. . .  .huxley for his intelligence. . . krayola and deepsight for their thirst for rich debates and enquiry . . . . . .olaadegbu for his straight to the point approach and gentlemanlyness and inherent wisdom. . . 

of all the above, olaadegbu is the only one i always tend to agree with . . .yet all of the others above including wirinet, nezan, osisi are also my favourites.

David is my top favourite cos he made the religion section attractive enough to get me posting 

I am humbled to actually be on the list . . . .


its very hard choosing . . . . . .but David is still my fav poster.

mazaje:
Do you know what a myth is neotic? You keep on bandying this kingdom of darkness myth. . . Where is this kingdom of darkness?. . .Is it a place? Who are those that reside in that kingdom and how can I see them? Since you claim to know pls can you help me and show me what that kingdom is located?

blah blah blah . , . , same old mazaje

uplawal:
@banom,youre too intelligent to be in christianity,atleast ISLAM would do better

this must be the dumbest post i read today

mazaje:
Is that so? Did The bible God not know about the function of the priest when he addressed the public through a public address during the baptism of Jesus?

this is now embarrassing. . .the least u can do is to at least read the bible before u attempt to analyse it.

are u still in doubt as to the divinity of Jesus? Jesus came to put an end to that priestly era. , . , and here u are expecting that same priest to be an intermediary to Jesus.
haba!!!. . . . .

mazaje:
I understand the need for you to be happy about these things. . .I personally do not care at all. . . If you read my statement to him I truly wished him all the best. . . .As regards to this mythical kingdom of darkness you are talkaing about all I can say is enjoy the delusion while it last

thanks . . , . u too enjoy ur DENIAL while it lasts

how can u go and die when stoning the devil?. . . . or was she stoning allah?

that aside. . . . whats the basis of believing that the devil is in the object being stoned? how was mohammed able to sell that ridiculous lie?

mazaje:
This was not directed at me but there are quite a number of places where yahweh addressed the people of Israel through a public speech. Yahweh is said to have addressed the jews at mount Sinai so what difference does it make?

Jdg 1:1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?"

Jdg 1:2 The LORD answered, "Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands."

Mazaje, there is nothing in this passage that suggests that God addressed the people openly.
what then would be the function of the priest and judges?

mazaje:
Exactly the point I was making. . .Why all the fuse. . here is the text again. . .

Jdg 1:1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?"

Jdg 1:2 The LORD answered, "Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands."

two things. . . . . . the judea being described there was the entire tribe. . .like u agree.
what I dont understand is how u came about the conclusion that they were addressed publicly by God?

mazaje:
See you are adding to the text and saying what it does NOT say in other to rationalize the story. Where does it say in the text that Judah and Simeon were long dead? What do you mean by it would be meaningless to assume that two people alone fought an army of canaanites, I thought samson killed lost of men with only a piece of bone ? The text says that they went and killed the others and they had victory over them because yahweh had already promised them victory. It doesnt talk about them being long dead does it?

Jdg 1:3 And Judah said unto Simeon his brother, Come up with me into my lot, that we may fight against the Canaanites; and I likewise will go with thee into thy lot. So Simeon went with him.
Jdg 1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.

This supports what I said that Yahweh addressed them publicly. . . .

You choose to read it as an allegory another christian might not read it as that. By the way what is the basis for accepting a story as an allegory? The text does not give any indication as to that. The same bible also said that Yahweh addressed the Jews together at mount Sinai through a public address. . . .

Considering that judea was the son of Jacob. . .is it not logical to deduce that the judea in the passage above was not an individual?

0hsisi:
so far 13.

I just want a fair idea and an unscientific[b] ratio of Christians to Muslims[/b] and so far I have 13:0

lol u will be shocked to find out that allah has a lot of terrorists on nairaland. . . . they just dont have the clout to debate, cos they HARDLY EVER study the koran.

wirinet:
Noetic, you started again, arguing blindly and illogically just to justify your position. Someone says he sees blank, you insist he must mean black.

What is within the context of this thread that can equate renounce with denounce? I feel it is attitude like this that make so many people gullible and open to exploitation, reinterpreting other peoples writings.

I have asked some questions of Banom's atheist credentials, like when did he become an atheist how long.? So Let him answer for himself.

How have i shown that whatever Banom believes is my concern. Had i ever attempted to convert him into atheism? It is you people that is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I had never known banom Atheist views, so questioning them with proofs of his previous posts now constitute a "big blow" to you

after reading banom's response to u . . . . .i can only but laugh

P.S: why is banom's conversion such a big blow to u.

mazaje:
He desperately needs to believe it is a "big blow to you" so that his belief in his delusions can be sustained.

blah blah blah . . . . .no matter what u say, the kingdom of darkness just lost another member. . banom is in the light.
the door is still open for u. . .lol

wirinet:
I do not know why some people here are ecstatic, even the heading of the topic did not suggest that Banom was ever an atheist. He said he denounce atheism, denounce means condemn, criticize, attack, censure, castigate, decry, rail/inveigh/fulminate against, declaim against, arraign, denunciate, revile.

He did not say he renounced atheism. renounce meaning give up, relinquish, resign, abdicate, abnegate, surrender, sign away, waive, forego.

within the context of this thread. . .both denounce and renounce mean the same thing.
From the OP we can understand that banom has RENOUNCED his atheistic beliefs. . . . . .why is this reality a big blow for u?