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davidylan:
There is ample evidence from you and others that atheism is PRIMARILY a state of being in permanent, violent, revulsive conflict SPECIFICALLY with the God of the bible.

Seconded.

[quote author=Abuzola 1 link=topic=358975.msg5020519#msg5020519 date=1259559601]@noetic- you guys are funny, banom is just trying to ve fun, i will sip my sauda when he comes back and retract his word at the right time. Christianity is a big scam and doesn't make sense, the God was murdered by his enemy, he was beaten, he cried, he prayed to satan god or whatever not to die luke 22:42. Unless one is a sick fella thats when he would embrace the religion of the cross[/quote]really!!!! I am sure the Lord will touch ur heart . . . and make u see the fallacies and lies of the arabian demon called allah.

Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]Yes ,God does not exist and it only exist because is a man invection of Imaginary superficial deity Claiming its existence to be real. so many have been decieved by religious folks. God is Complete Imaginary Bastard without no Mother or Father and dont even have a specific IDENTITY.[/size]

This is a huge contradiction from ur previous posts.

If God does not exist , .how do u explain
a. ur association with the devil?
b. ur statement that God is lazy and has a low-self esteem?
c. the spells u cast . . . .and ur other self-confessed demonic inactions?

wirinet:
Comparing Banon's reconversion to Paul's conversion is like comparing oranges to blackberry cakes. Paul was alleged to be persecuting Christians and was on his way to persecuting more Christians when Jesus physically accosted him and stuck him blind and had to convert to regain his sight.

Banom was born a born again and a happy one at that, but was annoyed when his dad perished in a horrible way while doing the work of Jesus. So in frustration he God angry at Jesus and God. But after his anger had died down, he went back to the Jesus he had always believed after extensive meditation. He never said Jesus physically accosted him and punished him for his rebellion. I am sure the if jesus should repeat the paul experience with even Ogaga, he would abandon satan Immediately.

Because he was born and bread into Christianity and never really stopped being a Christian, he was only angry and was getting back at God until he realized it was a fruitless exercise.

I would ordinarily have ignored this. . . . .but let me draw your attention to certain facts u are missing in comparing the biblical Paul, Banom and ogaga.

1. Paul (when he was saul) in the bible was not a novice, satanist or atheist. Saul was a Pharisee religionist who obeyed all the laws of moses to the level of an hypocrite. Paul was knowledgeable in the things of God and he stood by it. Paul lived in an era where there was a physical and spiritual transmissions from the era of the law to an era of salvation through Jesus. Paul like every one of his time was expecting a messiah. their pre-conceived imaginative expectations of a messiah was not was Jesus represented. just like your understanding of God is a far cry from His true ontology. . hence your belief that He does not exist.

Paul was a Godly young man who considered any suggestion of a resurrected Jesus to be blasphemy. he had the licence to kill anyone who preached in Jesus name.
This made it IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus disciples to preach the gospel to him (paul). who else would have preached to Paul other than Jesus.

2. Banom simply backslided for known reasons. his best means of expressing his frustration was to deny the existence of God and hate everything of God. Banom had the knowledge of God which he has NEVER rationally doubted either as a xtian or as an atheist (based on his posts on NL).  Banom needed no insight or convincing from anyone to understand the pertinent issues of Christ salvation. . this were facts he knew but REJECTED cos of the demise of his father.

3. Ogaga has consciously CHOSEN satan over God. This is a very very conscious decision. he has rejected the salvation of Jesus Christ, not because he finds it unconvincing but because he loves the company of satan. And I can infer from his previous posts that he knows what hell looks like. . he claims satan has already shown him. . ,  . .so ogaga is at a point of self realization where he has REJECTED Jesus and he is also aware of the eternal damnation that awaits him.

4. the likes of u and other non-believers have continued to hear the gospel every single day . . . but have chosen to reject it. your choice will stand for/against u when u die and face the throne of judgement.

5. There is a huge difference between the biblical Paul, ogaga and banom.

Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]Banom dont tell me you know what you're doing to your Life. . . so really you want to become a Slave and feel it's normal?, hope you realise the same God you're running to is very lazy , i mean lazy to the base and it doesn't any TRUTH. God has a Low Self-esteemed and i strongly want to convince you a life with God is in Danger. . . you better think twice. . .[/size]

but i tot u always claim that God does not exist? . . . . . .the devil is a liar and the father of lies john 8:44

mazaje:
Do you have any evidence for this mythical hell? . . . .Heaven and hell both have an apparent straightforward purpose, and that is to motivate people to believe, keep believing and to evangelize to "save" other people according to the religion they subscribe to(Christianity or Islam). It is the carrot-and-stick method of persuasion. The carrot and stick are only imagined, but the proposed reward and punishment are both extreme enough to compensate for the lack of evidence and sensibility of the myth.

where is ANY evidence that backs up the above? . . . , . .

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=359166.msg5022930#msg5022930 date=1259589912]Core eh?

1. Nobody has ever provided conclusive proof for the existence of God.[/quote]why do u find the proffered proofs unacceptable?. . , and by conclusive, what do u mean?

2. I found out the universe doesn't a god to exist.

I am very very very interested in how u came about this conclusion. . . .cos from the same universe I see, there are abundant reasons why this universe not only needs a God, but would also not have been without one.

I cannot fathom or imagine the concept of a "beginning" for this universe without a creator. I would like to think that the universe as we see it today has a starting point. . .and this was kick started by someone more intelligent. I have no reason to believe that this process that kick-started the universe was a random occurrence. It is in lieu of this that ur detailed analysis would be appreciated.

3. After years of being a christian and trying wholeheartedly to experience god I never for once felt anything.

really? perhaps we need to understand what u mean by "experience". do u mean miracles? speaking in tongues? seeing visions? gifts of the spirit? or what exactly was it u anted to experience about God.

I asked the above question simply because, I believe that ur response would help unearth ur primordial understanding and subsequent expectation of/from God.

4. I'll never accept another man's idea of god coz as far as am concerned all thought out ideas are what they are THOUGHTS and they bizzarely fall in-line with the expectations and needs of such an individual. If am going to believe in a god then personal encounter should do it. But that ain't gonna happen, We all know how shy and timid the gods are, don't we?

This is completely dishonest.

yet u accept another man's unprovable fallacy called evolution

5. The realities of life don't in anyway show there's a god out there. . .
6. I've done everything from visiting herbalists/occultists to spending a night near an eerie stream and a cemetary all to investigate this idea of magic or supernatural yet not once did I find positive proof.

Then. . . . . . .

I hate to say this. . .but u have confirmed my fears. u were seeking for a solution to a problem, which was nihilant. . .that way u chose to put ur bitterness on God.
there is hardly any logic in atheistic beliefs.

KunleOshob:
I am almost certain that Oyedepo's debauchery of Christianity and his immoral life style contributed to driving Tudor towards Atheism. Personal i don't think think Tudor does not believe in the exisitence of God, he is just rebelling against relgion hence his declaration of being an atheist.

oyedepo's lifestyle is not an excuse for satanism or atheism. will tudor be judged based on the inactions of oyedepo?. . .Nope.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=359262.msg5021376#msg5021376 date=1259575267]What EXACTLY do I need to be saved from? Why do I need salvation? What do I gain from salvation?[/quote]you dont need salvation. . . . .HELL suits and fits u perfectly. . . , why change ur destiny?

lol. . , i am in.



P.S . . . . .abuzola would soon start a terrorist count on nairaland

the next conversion is going to be abuzola666

somebody say Amen. . . .

[quote author=Abuzola 1 link=topic=356395.msg5016942#msg5016942 date=1259510754]Not that by the power of God[/quote]power of God or power of the arabian idol called allah?

fellis:
Beautymc, muslims WILL defeat christians whether you like it or not.

of course. . .with terrorism and jihad

Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]Banom. . . ! , Banom. . . .!! , Banom. . . . !!! how many times do i mention your name?.  Your new thought is wrong and you better change it before you get Over brain washed. . .Yes, its not too late. Try to beyourself. find good time to meditate. . .  do not come to conclussion God is in existence when there's no proof.[/size]

meditate on what?

1. click on the reply button. . .it opens a new page, . .at the buttom of this page.

2. if u scroll down the page. . . .u will find a list of previous post. on the top of each post is the posters name (on the left) and the the words "INSERT QUOTE" underlined on the right.
3. click on the insert quote and the person's post is displayed in the reply dialogue box. . . . . .u can then add ur comments after the last "quote" tag.

I hope this helps.

I am happy for u . . . .though I hope that this aint a publicity stunt.

self realisation is a unique way of reaching the cross, which is the way u have chosen. Let me add that u need to attend a bible believing church, because u need to constantly hear the word to increase ur faith. what u are told in church will be discerned by the spirit in u, that way u wont be brainwashed or deceived or exploited.

welcome to the light. . .hearty congratulations from me.

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=358714.msg5012508#msg5012508 date=1259437421]Boringgggg
Stop trying to be funny and answer the question.
Comedy is not for you. [/quote]really? does any of ur last 100 threads make sense?
I was not laughing at my post. . .I was laughing at ur consistent . . . . . . ,

i think mama-gee needs to hook up with a guy soon. . . . or else

olabowale:
they are just as wrong as being plainly christians! come to think of it, they are on the wrong path like noetic is with his sutana!

where did u get this sutana idea from?

if christians are on the wrong path. , . who then are on the right path?

Telescope:
The 20th-Century Denial of God

“People are resigned to the absence of God and are organizing their lives independently, for good or for ill, and without any reference to God.”—One Hundred Years of Debate Over God—The Sources of Modern Atheism.

THOUGH it is at first impressive, a towering tree is eventually regarded as commonplace. Its presence is familiar; its height is no longer awe-inspiring.

It is similar with atheism. Though it provoked much debate during the 19th century, the denial of God’s existence is neither shocking nor disturbing today. An era of tolerance has allowed atheism to settle into peaceful coexistence with belief in God.

Not that most people deny God outright; on the contrary, poll results from 11 countries throughout the Americas, Europe, and Asia reveal that, on the average, little more than 2 percent claim to be atheists. Nevertheless, an atheistic spirit is prevalent—even among many who believe that God exists. How can this be?

Denying God’s Authority

“Sometimes atheism refers simply to the practical rejection or ignoring of God,” notes The Encyclopedia Americana. For this reason, The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives the following second definition of “atheist”: “A person who denies God morally; a godless person.”

Yes, atheism may entail a denial either of God’s existence or of his authority or of both. The Bible alludes to this atheistic spirit at Titus 1:16: “They profess to acknowledge God, but deny him by their actions.”—The New English Bible; compare Psalm 14:1.

Such rejection of God’s authority can be traced back to the first human pair. Eve acknowledged God’s existence; yet, she wanted “to be like God, knowing good and bad.” The implication was that she could ‘be her own boss’ and create her own moral code. Adam later joined Eve in this denial of God’s authority.—Genesis 3:5, 6.

Is this attitude prevalent today? Yes. A subtle atheism is manifested in a quest for independence. “People today are tired of living under the eye of God,” observes the book One Hundred Years of Debate Over God—The Sources of Modern Atheism. “They . . . prefer to live in freedom.” The Bible’s moral code is renounced as impractical, unrealistic. The thinking of many is much like that of the Egyptian Pharaoh who defiantly declared: “Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey his voice . . . ? I do not know Jehovah at all.” He rejected Jehovah’s authority.—Exodus 5:2.

Christendom’s Denial of God

The most shocking denial of God’s authority comes from Christendom’s clergy, who have substituted man-made traditions for pure Bible truths. (Compare Matthew 15:9.) Additionally, they have backed the bloodiest wars of the 20th century, thus rejecting the Biblical command to display genuine love.—John 13:35.

The clergy have also denied God by turning their backs on his moral standards—as evidenced, for example, by a steady stream of lawsuits against pedophile priests. The situation of Christendom resembles that of ancient Israel and Judah. “The land is filled with bloodshed and the city is full of crookedness,” the prophet Ezekiel was told, “for they have said, ‘Jehovah has left the land, and Jehovah is not seeing.’” (Ezekiel 9:9; compare Isaiah 29:15.) Little wonder that many have abandoned Christendom’s churches altogether! But must they abandon belief in God?

beautiful.

considering the enormous differece between islam ad xtianity. . . , , do u tink these folks are on the right path?

I think KAG is a she. . .and she has been o exile for quite a while.

@OP

and so what, . . . true Christians will always be in the minority, even in the church.

muhsin:
If this is your real comprehension of Olabowale's reply I'll definitely go to bed wondering. . .

u should be more bothered that allah does not give a hoot about u . . . , .

Deepsight is a disguised and pretentious hell-bound anti-Christ.  
though I must add that he has great writing skills, the tenacity for rich debate and he is a potential intellectual.

and after mazaje converts to islam . . . .allah will still take him to hell what exactly is wrong with allah?

mazaje:
Is the environment the handi work of your god because he told you that himself or do you accept it because you have been indoctrinated and conditioned to believe it?. . . .When I look around all I see is the environment, I do not see any god. . . .remember that your god was once all over the place fighting along side men and staining his cloth with the blood of his enemies for all to see, appearing to some of them(face to face and back parts), addressing them through public speech as recorded in his book by men. . . why did he suddenly run way? As to what kick started life I have always told you that I don't know. . . .All I KNOW is that all the god of man made religions did NOT do it. . . their accounts of how they did it is there written in their "holy" books are there for all to read. . . . .

I love this new turn in this debate. . .but before we move on. .can we agree on a definition for the environment. whats ur definition?

I have never said that life does not require an intelligent being to exist. . . . .what I have always stated is that there is no evidence for any. . . by the way why does life require just one intelligent being? Why not so many intelligent beings? The ancient god inventors used to believe that there were many gods. . . .even the ancient jews also used to believe in the concept of many gods. . . .there is no evidence for any god and their is no evidence to show that there is any intelligent being flying in the sky. . .I have always maintained that the universe as it is makes all the gods of man made religion look insignificant. . .the very great vastness of the universe, and our ( humans ) relative insignificance in it says that it was not created for us as all man made religions will like to have us believe. . . .colliding stars, comets destroying each other, the expansion of the universe etc. . . .Personally I believe that these are just mindless forces acting on their own. . . .I will not just ascribe it to a deity because I believe it sounds convient

there is a huge difference between lack of evidence and acceptance of evidence. Evidence abounds. . all u have done is to refuse to acknowledge these evidences cos they do not appeal to ur dogma and beliefs. just like u dont want to acknowledge that the brain can not be the sole originator of dreams with verifiable accuracy.
drop ur dogmas and access the evidences that support the existence of God.

Have you now reduced the evidence for your god to rainfall and sunshine? Is photo synthesis now the evidence for your god? What is this? The sun is evidence for the sun and not for your god, scientist have studied the sun in great details and they did not see the name of your god written in any part of it. . . . . ditto for rain and photosynthesis. . . .

was I wrong in expecting that u make sense of simple facts of life?

Point number one. . . .You fail to admit (something that can not be denied) that it is people who made those biblical statements with regards to wisdom and "salvation". . . It is people who are making claims that they are speaking for god or were inspired by god to speak or write on his behalf. . . No god has ever appeared to you and told you that he inspired any body to write anything on his behalf. . . . .all you have are people writing down their thoughts, fantasies, ideas. wishes and aspirations and ascribing it to their god. . . . Point number two. . . . You would like us to have faith in the claims of a very few people (people who started the religion you now sunscribe to), and completely reject the claims of many other people who have made different claims about speaking for different gods. . . .I do not have any problem with any god's liberty. . . I have problem with people always speaking for various god when no god has ever spoken for his/her self. . . . .That action alone says that all the gods are just not there. . . .

does ay compelling evidence/argument support the above assertions?

Almost on everythread you always sing to us why your god should be this or that. . . . Your own position reflects your personal defination of who you will like your god to be. . . .You reject outrageous claims by some in order to accept the outrageous claims of others and you protect your decision with a willingness to rationalize even to the point of contradiction (which you don't even notice). . . . . You have no business going around acting as though you have any truth and insight to offer. What you have to offer is your personal mind game and opinion you've created or have been created for you in order to make believe the world is the way you want it to be no more no less. . .

blah blah blah . . . I am now used to ur chorus on every thread

mazaje:
Where is your evidence for this? There is NO basis to believe that the creation myth you subscrıbe to is true either. . . .

Even during goat herder days they all knew that reproduction was what was responsible for how people came about no? Everybody knows that life had to begin at a certian point no?


Where is your scientific evidence to disprove the TOE and show that species did not evolve? I am not saying that species evolved all I am is why should people accept your baseless hypothesis?

is evolution a science on its own? whats the relationship between evolution and science?
if and when the fallacy of ur analyses is exposed. . . .u will scream that u aint an evolutionist. . .so why ask questions u cannot answer?

This is just a very silly creationist starw man. . . . . .

really? so why did ur grand father and his ancestora die and not evolve?

ACTUALLY the current scientific knowledge we posses had shown that the creation myth in genesis is a lie and can not be reconciled with science that is why some of your own people are throwing it away and refering to it as an allegory. . . .All what science has verified points to EVOLUTION not to the myth written down in the book of genesis. . . . .so farming is now an evidence for intelligent design eh? I laugh in greek. . . . . .The writers of the genesis account do not know what phtosynthesis means. . . they had their god creating plants before creating the sun and the stars . . . .In some parts of the bible they said their god created the world from water. . . .modern scıence does NOT agree with this. . . . stop telling lies science DOES not support or verify any part of the creation myth you subscribe to. . . .

do u read the bible upside down or what?

There was water in a formless earth and it was from this "moment" that things were re-created, . . .so where did u get ur analogy of God creating from water?
have u started going to the joint with abuzola?

Yes. . . The writers of genesis do not know the meaning of photosyntesis. . . but the order of things in the garden of eden is buttressed by our modern knowledge of photosynthesis. This was what I stated in my last post. . .so whats the difference?

The FACT that all the evıdence you have to point to your god are ONLY stories written by men according to their world view says he just is not there. . . . .Just a question for you how does your god look like? You should be able to answer this question sınce you ınsist that your god exist. . . .How does your god look like and what type of cloth does he wear since your bible says that he used to stain his cloth with the blood of those that worship other gods. . . .

This is irrelevant. but if u are so keen. . .sait till u die, unfortunately u might not be able to see Him, unless u repent

The FACT is that genesis 1 and 2 were NOT written by the same person. . . .

Go to www.answersingenesis.com and pose your question there

Mazaje, I was not talking about the writers or the sequence of writing. . . I was refering to the events in the first two verses of the bible.
what do u make of them?. . .did they occur one after the other?

olabowale:
my mother (alhamdulIllah) is now a muslim! i pity her father who died as a christian. as much as i liked the old man, being my grandpa and a spitting image of him, i cant pray forgiveness for him.

tpia, you better become a muslim one time, before you find out the truth, there will never be a rapture. never, because everyone shall die and be ressurrected for Judgement!

aanu e shemi to ba ku ni keferi, kiriyo.

why the pity. . .since allah says all muslims will go to hell.

davidylan:
abuzoo . . . enjoy your stay squatting in hell.

and yet he believes allah would remove him from hell

michelin89:
Fool and ignorant are a compliment? Hey christian, don't follow me play that kind play. Feel free to insult your fellow christiand but don't use that language with me. I don't call you fools for being what you are even though I can find books where it is also said that religous folks are indeed fools, why should you because of a mere book?

A fool says in her heart that there is no God. . . . .are u a fool?

abuzola999:
Thanks but no thanks,

'whomsoever Allah guides, he is the guided one and whomsoever He sends astray - then those ! They are the losers' Quran 7:178

why would anyone want allah's guidance since all muslims are going to hell. . , according to allah?