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nep2ra:
You sabi the gist.

Bunch of knaves they are!

I am only keeping quiet out of restraint. If I start to reveal their inner workings, Nairaland would not be able to contain the commotion.

Please we have to make all public because that the people wake up because at the moment many follow a heresy gospel and that is dangerous.
That the people start to know what it means to by a real christian.

vooks:
How do you catch HIV because you failed to offer Firstfruits?
Can any present or former Christ Embassy confirm/deny if there is such a teaching

Gombs,mbaemeka.....

I will show you that this is nomal in some pentecost/charismatic churches who want firstfruit.

I also read something like this on the facebookk of the RCCG church about first fruit and paying.

That shows that we have the right to speak against to so called man of god because they are only God of man.

Long writting but nigerians should read it.

WinsomeX:
A lot of lessons can be garnered from this rather unfortunate incidence that has caused Jogbaje, Christ Embassy and the whole Word of Faith movement great embarrassment. But before we look at these closely, I want to ask Joagbaje to do the honorable thing: to pay SirJohn the half a million naira he promised to give anyone who could prove that "miracle" false. SirJohn has done this and he deserves his money. I will make the second conclusion after my submission below.

The discussions among Christians on nl has swayed essentially BTW to opinions: one of them is btw the Word of Faith, WoF, enthusiasts and those who advocate a relatively orthodox sort of Christian faith. The WoF crew advocate a lot of outlandish extra biblical positions, one of them being that Christians can performs signs and wonders in the same manner and frequency as the first century apostles. We on the hand do not believe this. We think that God can carry out miracles when it pleases him under his sovereign grace but our responsibility today is not pursuing miracles but preaching gospel truth, encouraging holy living among Christians and living in a responsible way as a Christians that will include working hard to make your money, taking responsible steps to safe guard our health and where that fails, we take advantage of modern medicine - a blessing from God anyway. We also insist that the WOF crew are mostly charlatans taking advantage of poor, ignorant and weak people. We think this is extremely deceitful and will earn God's wrath someday.

The debate BTW these two camps has always raged on nl but it took a new turn with the making of the Word of Faith thread by trustman, DrummaBoy and BabaGnoni. At about that time I also restored the SirJohn 2008 thread on the Christ Embassy fake healing school. That thread is what has led to Joagbaje's ill fated challenge.

As Jo' considers paying up, it is time for leading WoF people to consider their beliefs and determine if indeed they are in the Lord. It's not a matter of fake miracles anymore, it's a matter of whether these people are truly Christians. There is no need coming here to debate this, just there in the corner of your heart, check and see if you are truly a Christian or you are headed to a Christless grave.

This challenge is to others too: atheists, agnostics, satanists, doubters, etc - many gloating of Jo' here: has your belief been based on flimsy physical things that can be seen or on a sound living faith in Christ? This alone can guarantee a safe eternal destiny.

I commend SirJohn for a job well done and I plead with all genuine Christians not to rub this issue on Jo and others but to again point them away from a faith that cannot save to the Living faith in Christ Jesus. A gospel of health, wealth, and miracles is not the gospel of Jesus and cannot produce genuine Christians.

10000000000000 likes and thank you what you write I couldnot say it better.

https://www.nairaland.com/1840982/gods-generals-why-succeeded-why-some

That is where you can read about one of this pastors who in the same of pastors chris.

It is about Lake the devil who could heal and who told his american followers that in south africa was thw plaque and he could heal it.
I hear about lake when the ebola outbrake was in nigeria and a pastor from a pentecost church and joagbaje write that prayers could heal ebola. The other pastor wrote the ebola story on his facebook.

I start to search because I know that the first ebola outbreak was in the middle of 1970 and so Lake could not heal it, Lake live only until 1935.

I make a reasearch and found out that at that time was no plaque in south africa and at that time they know a vaccancine, which a doctor found about 1900 when the plaque was in India.

It was Gombs when i told him the truth look what he make and paulgrundy is not better.

I know it is hard when the truth come out.

Vikkie14:
Hmm... But sis, if tithing aint for christian, then who is it for? #justasking. Read Malachi 3:8-12. Offering is what you just described in the second paragraph. It is not compulsory to give offering and that's why its called OFFERING(giving willingly). If your pastor (#no offense ma) or whoever you are referring to are doing that, then you can withdraw your offering and give it to the poor or widow as you stated but that would not be called a Offering again but ALMS. ONLY tithe is what could make one lose getting to the Kingdom. #peace

Sorry that is not tru that is a fake doctrine from pentecost/charismatic pastors and i know it is hard to understand and malachi is not for christians and since when tithing is money soorry it is farm products.

Are we christians or are we jewish

https://www.nairaland.com/1881318/joagbaje-right-ebola-jesus-cure

read this because the orginal post was deleted when joagbaye want to show us that he could heal Ebola

rationalmind:
I know how hard I work to make money.

It got to a point I even find it difficult to spend the money on myself cos I'm always conscious of the stress I went through before getting it and the stress it'll take me to make another.

Here am I reading about someone who's willing to stake half a million on claims he never verified, only one thing comes to mind. He never struggled to make that money.

Considering the nature of his work, where else will he get such money? Tithes, donations and the likes

Thank you for this because moste pastors didnot know how hard it is.

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I still remember the fake healing of his boss in south africa.

All this healing what you see in the internet from this pentecoust/charismatic pastors are fraud.

7. Most of us doesn't believe in Tithes and Offering. Whenever that comes up in church, "Ahhh!!! Pastor have come again to milk us dry" is what they would be chanting on social media. To be frank, Tithe is compulsory and a MUST-thing-to-do while Offering is giving willingly,sacrificially and must be from the heart. Tithe is a neccessity. It is commanded by God himself in the Bible.

Sorry tithing is not for christians please don't twist the bile like all this properits preachers make.

We christian have offering and it must come from the heard and it should be for the poor the widow the orphan and not that pastors enrich themself.

When you look that problem in nigeria began with the growing of this new pentecost/charimatic churches and it starts with Idahosa whos churchbusiness belong now to his family, wife and son business belong always in the family.

sorry most of nigerians are only money loving miracel seeking folloers of self aclaimed so called great man of God but all this jetpastors are God of man and not real christians.

joseph1832:
Your daddy? Please spare me, your daddy that can't not even provide for you, who doesn't even know you exist. A daddy is expected to give to his child not take mercilessly from the child.

Please have a rethink about who you call daddy for your real daddy might be angry.

Thank you what you write is so tru, i didnot know why all call this man daddy he is a businessman and all what he is doing to sell the gospel and that is heresy.

He was a preacher of the prosperity gospel which is heresy and he was a good motivation speaker.

He is one of this new age pastors who preach sowing seed and God will give you more money and that is heresy

He belong to the WOF movement like Ceflon Dollar, Benny Hinn Jocy Meyer........

“As for the man himself- like any enemy of the faith that breathes their last, we ought to be both saddened and heartened by this news. Saddened because a man and his family are dead and there will be hundreds, if not thousands grieving. Presumably not all the dead were as Myles was- they were not all enemies of the Gospel, and consequently it is a hard, aching tragedy that ought to cause believers everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer and supplication that the Holy Spirit might be a balm to the mourner’s souls. It’s a surreal, painful time when anyone passes away, especially in such brute circumstances, and we ought to empathize with those in mourning. The Lord takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and neither should we. We can only pray that all parties repented of their sins before they perished and will join us in paradise. I want nothing more than for this to be the case.

Heartened? Because relating specifically to Myles Munroe, a man who was peddling theological and spiritual poison is no longer a direct threat to the Christian Church.” He cannot preach any more of his heresy. He cannot bind Christ to the Almighty dollar bill and tie the gospel narrative to the riches and filthy lucre that he promised you had coming to you if only you became a Christian and gave him your seed offering. His reach has withered already, and will continue to diminish as time passes. It’s all fading to black.

By all accounts, ironically, the plane he perished in was his own private Lear plane, the fruits of his fleecings and an instrument of destruction in the hands of the Almighty God- the Judge of all the earth who will do right.

blaise26abj:
If only the government could be serious and united about insecurity like they were against Ebola, things would be better.

US and UK have had their own attacks but they stood up against it in one voice and they enjoy relative peace in that aspect.

GEJ keeps saying Terrorism is a global threat. Yes, agreed it is. But the govt response by politicizing this issue with APC and it's critics is appalling. Nigerians are really on their Own. RIP to the dead and condolence to their families.

Last Bullet- I know the number of people on bbm with pix of Myles Munroe and his family with RIP messages. Even the ones who have not heard a single message of his. Most don't/will not have a message for these innocent nigerian souls. Why? Because Tribalism and Religion has stripped off our humanity as a Nation. Just imagine for a second it happening in your child's, Lil sisters', Nephews' and nieces' school. That feeling u experienced with that imagination you have right there is what you should feel even when they are not remotely related to you. God save this nation

It is realy sad that the death of a heresy preacher make frontpage but the death of about 47 young people not.

That shows that a life is nothing in nigeria but what is important is money

God want that we have a loving heart for the people who have nothing.

God love his followeers who give to the people in need not to this money loving jetflying businesspastors in Nigeria and america.

Ukutsgp:
if robbers bring tithe of the money they stole would God accept it? the answer is NO

but nigerian pastors accept it, they make a thief to a pastor and take the money what he give to the church.

Boss13:
I think I like this. In as much as we destroy the earth, we make use of the end product for advancement of our civilization. However, we are destroying Mother Earth and I hope we don't make is inhabitable for us all to live, maybe not us but our children.

you are right and when i read from conservative christians in america that human didnot destroy the world I cannot believe that people can be so stuped and brainless but this comes from people in America who believe that all what a human has to know is in the bible.

Image123:
Kai, what did i do for you. I already read the book na and i said so. 11.11pm August 31.
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/22#25925496#25925265

Lake has never healed and he was a big liar he wrote about the plaque in south africa but at the time he was in south africa there was no plaque Lake is a liar and a fraudster like all this Gods gernals from the fake Robert Liardon all he want was to make money from the books and not more.

Image123:
Yeah, John Lake was indeed a man of healing and awesome divine powers. But i don't understand why folks are tying the plague AS A MATTER OF FACT to Ebola. It could have been maybe, but it could also be something else, maybe even worse. Or do you have anything else concrete that makes you think it's Ebola. What i got was whatsapp and Bbm broadcasts. Robert Liardon didn't say Ebola oh, na just plague the man talk.

Sorry the plaque in south africa was from 1899 - 1902 and at this time Lake the liar was in america.

please read this but I know you will not read it it is the same with the book I told you you should read about Lake the devil who could heal.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/places/outbreak-bubonic-plague

Kathryn Kuhlman, "The Woman Who Believed in Miracles"

Following a 1967 fellowship in Philadelphia, Dr. William A. Nolen conducted a case study of 23 people who claimed to have been cured during her services.[3][4][5][6] Nolen's long term follow-ups concluded that there were no cures in those cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day and she died four months later

Healing

Many accounts of healings were published in her books, which were "ghost-written" by author Jamie Buckingham of Florida, including her autobiography, which was dictated at a hotel in Las Vegas.[18] Buckingham also wrote his own Kuhlman biography that presented an unvarnished account of her life.[19]
Legacy

For several decades there has been serious debate regarding the authenticity of Kathryn Kuhlman's ministry. Some would suggest that she was a modern day prophet exercising the power of God, whereas others would suggest that she was a false prophet, exercising a "spirit" that masqueraded as God. The debate continues today with many believers upholding Kuhlman as an important forerunner (including proponents of the "Prosperity Theology" & "Faith Healing" movement, such as Benny Hinn), and with some Christian cessationist apologists, such as[20] Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute, considering Kuhlman to be an influential forerunner of a false Christianity that robs people of their money and propagates a distorted substitute of true Christian teachings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Kuhlman

Gombs:
Bro...that story was something else...I couldn't do a copy n paste, but I hope the picture below would speak for itself

His faith was a staggering one

Sorry gombs but what is written is the book is fake because that is a big lie from Lake there was no plague outbrack 1910 in south africa the outbreak was frOm 1899 to 1902

read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic

and Lake was never at this time in south africa sorry but it is very easy to make a reasearch and to find out that the hole life of Lake is a fake story.

when you didnot belief wikipedia please that read here where you can also read what happen in the medicine between 1909 and 1914 and you will not found one word from a plague in south africa.

http://cnparm.home.texas.net/Subj/Med/Med02.htm

http://www.sahistory.org.za/places/outbreak-bubonic-plague

you can read the hole story here and you will see that the goverment in south africa know how to handle that outbreak.

The outbreak of Bubonic Plague in Cape Town appears to have given a measure of warning to other coastal cities in the Cape, and a number of preventative and curative measures appear to have been implemented in various centres. Those taken in the Port Elizabeth-Uitenhage area were recorded in detail in the Blue Books for the Public Works Department of the Cape of Good Hope, and give us some idea of just how seriously the Health authorities viewed this danger.

In 1900 the first steps were taken by Government to place Port Elizabeth in a position to cope with a possible outbreak of Bubonic Plague, by the importation and erection of a Thresh's Disinfector. This was followed, in November 1900, by the dispatch to Port Elizabeth of a complete Equifex Disinfector, comprising of a boiler and three disinfecting chambers or containers, which were placed in storage pending their possible use. On 17 April 1901 the Acting District Inspector, Mr Rix-Trot, was instructed to proceed at once with the erection of two of the containers and the boiler, on a site previously selected by Professor Simpson, in Jetty Street, near to the Custom House, and to arrange for the erection of a building to house its functions. Plans were immediately prepared and tenders called for, and on Monday 22 April, the lowest was accepted, and the work put in hand.

The Disinfector building was 22.5m by 12m wide, and consisted of a timber frame clad in corrugated iron sheeting, based upon a concrete foundation, with a concrete screed floor 150mm thick. A brick wall divided the building into two parts, the disinfecting apparatus opening into either. Adjoining it was a boiler house, together with a bath room, the whole being supplied with drainage, gas, and water. The building was equipped with lead-covered tables, desks, and a drying horse, while the site was surrounded by a galvanized iron fence. The building was completed and ready for occupation within 19 days from the date of its commission. On 24 April the Colonial Secretary visited Port Elizabeth, where he was advised that, in addition, quarters for medical officers, together with a morgue, and offices for the Advisory Board of Health, would also be required. As a result the provision of doctor's quarters, accommodation for a housekeeper and for white attendants, offices for the Plague Board, a morgue, and fencing for the Contact Camp were all agreed to. Plans were immediately prepared and tenders called for the following:

so it was not tru that south africa wait for Lake because 1900 Lake was not in south africa so please stop posting fake stories fromn fake pastors and Lake was in america at that time.

I know history is not yours and education outside the books from your fake pentecost/cahrismnatic lliars is also not yours.

Nigerians who was before slaves of the white man, now are the slaves of this pentecost/charismatic so called great man of god, but his pastors are Man made Gods and not more.

I know it will take a long way to come out from the slavery of this God of Man.

iamord:
I will award this post the most stupid post on nairaland 2014

Come on stage and Pick your reward

Mtcheeew!!!

Look how religion has destroyed You

10000000000 likes and I will make the same

That is what pentecost/charismatic pastors made from the brainwashed followers.

Read the devil who could heal and than you know that Lake was a fake and a liar this is from the University in south africa.

and he could heal nobody all is a fake like all this pentecost you have on your list no one is a real christian all are fake also Kuhlman was a big fake and a big liar but I know for brainwashed followers it is okay.

Lake died 1935 and at that time the world didnot know about ebola.

cheerfulbaby:
I'm priviledged to know Mr Kanu personally and I can say he's one man that loves riding the motorcycle.He rode to europe all by himself in 2012 and now on his way riding back from Southafrica to Nigeria. I bet some of us would have believed his story more if he were not a Nigerian (just saying). Or could it be that we are just very shallow in our thinking because I honestly can't understand why people will doubt.the story. Please let us learn to celebrate our own especially when they do extraordinary things.

You can also read more.on http://lindaikeji..com/2014/11/super-biker-ogbonnaya-kanu-becomes.html?m=1

I know that he make it to my country and I know it is possible but i know also that many people are not educated and didnot know that between europa and africa we have ferrys.

I know that his story is tru.

majekdom2:
WHATS THE COMPARISM BTW GAYS AND TERRORIST ..... ARE THEY EVER THE SAME. YOU EXPECT HIM TO CARRY GUNS AND FIGHT BOKO HARAM ... I DONT GET. GAYS ARE INDIVIDUALS WITH A WRONG MINDSET THAT NEEDS COUNSELLING AND PRAYERS. THEY ARE NOT TERRORIST OR INDIVIDUALS WHO COMMIT MURDER. AM HOPING YOU ARE NOT GAY , IF YOU ARE , PRAY WE NEVER MEET BECAUSE I WONT EVEN PRAY AND COUNSEL YOU . I WILL SHOOT YOU.

You want to be a christian sorry you are not a real christian because you dinot know the word love, that is important for a christian but nigerian christian love the word money.

I feel more that he want the school for his son because the UK govermand had also the hand over his church money in UK.

With this school he could help his rich friend to bring money every month legaly to UK this rich pastors or so called God of man are also the problem that corruption is at this high level in nigeria.

He is a business man and not more and no one of this rich pastors is a real man of God they are all man made God of man and one is better to keep his business than the other.

This little girl she is still a child need no slap from him but his love but love is a word that nigerian pastors didnot know.

annyplenty:
Thank you for this comment. It could not have been better said.

In other words, WATCH and PRAY.

Jesus is coming. Prepare.

Now you should write educate people that is what help and not praying because god give us brain and when you educate people than they will have no fear that is the problem and Ihear this also from a good friend in Kenya that it is very important that people have to know when it is time to go to the hospital and not hear to pastors who will tell their followers pray and God will help you, why he give us scientist who help us to get medicine..

abdulwastecx:
my problem is how he manage to cross the narrow river between Spain and Morocco on his way to western Europe or their is a bridge there now?

We have ferry di you know what a ferry is, every day many Trucks from Morocco come to europa to bring fresh fruits.

you never hear the word ferry that is a ship who can take trucks and cars.......