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Christianity EtcRe: The Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op): 12:59pm On Oct 09, 2014
Bidam:
Wrong. Pastors are not rich because prosperity is preached. Why not try and preach the message lets see whether u will become rich na.You make it sound easy..Folks are not that gullible you know. I read your copy paste article. I am not much of a fan of Hinn and his kind of gospel. But people can write all sort of stuffs just to discredit and condemn ministers of the gospel. The essence of material wealth in the body of Christ is to propagate the gospel, i agree that not all are called to be rich...but examples abound in scriptures where Jesus and Paul had disciples who are rich and are willing to distribute their resources for the furtherance of the gospel.

Another mistakes folks like you make is the wrong insinuation that prosperity is materialism. Bible never defined it as such...Prosperity is the TOTAL WELL BEING( Spirit,Soul and Body) of a Christian. There is no such thing as Gospel of prosperity..You and others tagged it..It is simply called Prosperity.

I agree the love of money is a snare.God is not magnified if christians live extravagantly focusing all attention and time on money and worldly possesions rather than the gospel neither is God magnified when Christians are scraping along, living from hand to mouth.. NO! Have you ever heard the phrase "as poor as a church rat"...these were the phrases used in the good old days to spat and discredit christians who sowed their lives for the gospel.

In terms of materialism there must be a balance and common sense. Poverty is a curse and the antidote of it is prosperity. What am against is EXCESSES not prosperity.Stay blessed.
sorry but the story of Hinn is tru it is not a fake.
I will show you and I know that you dinot lean an other gospel in nigeria like the gospel about money and rich.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/benny-hinn-asks-followers-for-2-5-million-to-get-out-of-debt-94822/

Benny Hinn Asks for 'Seed' Donations at Trinidad and Tobago Crusade
Christian Evangelist Said to Request $100 Donations From Thousands at 'Miracle Healing Service'

Benny Hinn Asks for 'Seed' Donations at Trinidad and Tobago Crusade
Christian Evangelist Said to Request $100 Donations From Thousands at 'Miracle Healing Service'

The April 13-14 crusade was Hinn's fourth visit to Trinidad and Tobago, with previous visits occurring in 1999, 2006 and 2011. The popular evangelist, who recently remarried his wife Suzanne Hinn at TBN's the Holy Land Experience in Orlando, travels all over the world throughout the year holding evangelistic "miracle healing" services. The services are marked by Hinn praying for those seeking to be healed from various ailments, a practice common among some Christians. However, the charismatic evangelist attributes his ability to heal people to an "anointing," or supernatural power from God.

While his purported healing claims have come into question, Hinn has also been criticized for his prosperity gospel, or word of faith teachings that promise worshippers material blessings from God in exchange for giving money, sometimes described as a "seed offering," with the extent of their return tied to the depth of their faith.

Hinn, who is reportedly worth $42 million, has been involved in Christian ministry for 36 years and helps to house orphans through global missions organizations, explains the concept of "seed offerings" in a recent newsletter on his website in which he makes an appeal for an "unusual seed."

"It is time we step out and do the unusual with our giving, for unusual days are here. God is looking for a people who will do the unique with Him and for Him," reads the newsletter signed by Hinn. "I am asking you today to sow an unusual seed, believing God for an unusual harvest. As you do this, I believe you will see extraordinary miracles come your way. The days ahead are dark for the world and bright for you!"

The newsletter adds, "Plant your seed-gift into the fertile soil of this ministry, knowing our Lord's clear-cut instructions: 'Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again' (Luke 6:38). Sowing and reaping works! Unusual faith moves the hand of God!"

In the newsletter, Hinn specifically mentions "massive financial" needs for each of his 2013 crusades. He adds that "as we sow heavily into the harvest of souls ... I ask you to prayerfully consider being part of it!"

The minister, whose World Healing Center Church is located in Grapevine, Texas, has explained previously his views on prosperity teachings, saying, "I believe biblical prosperity is scriptural, and it is taught throughout the Bible." Hinn has tied such teachings specifically to his ability to "take the life-saving, miracle-working Gospel of Jesus Christ to the nations!"

Hinn was included in a 2007 Senate investigation into the financial dealings of several high-profile prosperity preachers, and shared his financial information as requested. He claims he was recognized by the U.S. Senate Finance Committee for "[engaging] in open and honest dialogue" and for "[providing] information over and above what was requested."

The evangelist, who was recently highlighted negatively in a song called "Fal$e Teacher$" along with Christian ministers T.D. Jakes, Paula White and others, shares information regarding his ministry's financial accountability on his website
Christianity EtcRe: The Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op): 10:09am On Oct 09, 2014
PastorKun:
Thanx for sharing this Nora, prosperity "gospel" remains a cancer that must be weeded out from the church.
I have this book at home

Health, Wealth & Happiness: Has the Prosperity Gospel Overshadowed the Gospel of Christ?
by David W. Jones, Russell Woodbridge

Christianity In Crisis: The 21st Century - by Hank Hanegraaff

Publisher's Description

Nearly two decades ago Hank Hanegraaff’s award-winning Christianity in Crisis alerted the world to the dangers of a cultic movement within Christianity that threatened to undermine the very foundation of biblical faith. But in the 21st century, there are new dangers—new teachers who threaten to do more damage than the last.

These are not obscure teachers that Hanegraaff unmasks. We know their names. We have seen their faces, sat in their churches, and heard them shamelessly preach and promote the false pretexts of a give-to-get gospel. They are virtual rock stars who command the attention of presidential candidates and media moguls. Through make-believe miracles, urban legends, counterfeit Christs, and twisted theological reasoning, they peddle an occult brand of metaphysics that continues to shipwreck the faith of millions around the globe:

“God cannot do anything in this earthly realm unless we give Him permission.”

“Keep saying it—‘I have equality with God’—talk yourself into it.”

“Being poor is a sin.”

“The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah; it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!”

“You create your own world the same way God creates His. He speaks, and things happen; you speak, and they happen.”

Christianity in Crisis: 21st Century exposes darkness to light, pointing us back to a Christianity centered in Christ.

From the Preface:

“Having lost the ability to think biblically, postmodern Christians are being transformed from cultural change agents and initiators into cultural conformists and imitators. Pop culture beckons, and postmodern Christians have taken the bait. As a result, the biblical model of faith has given way to an increasingly bizarre array of fads and formulas.”


it is very good and now I know why the prosperity gospel is not working in Main europa and the few chuches we have who preach this their followers are mostly africans/nigerians.
Christianity EtcRe: The Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op): 9:21am On Oct 09, 2014
Bidam:
All these PROFESSORS in theology sef...are they not the same folks condemning spiritual gifts and healings? SMH!
You don't understand that is the gospel what is mostly preach in nigeria and that is why the pastos are still rich.

I know the truth is hard to belief.

This Incredible Season of Miracles Begins Now
That’s why I am now coming to you through this urgent and time-dated letter. We have an astonishing opportunity to release an amazing $5 million harvest into this ministry by matching an incredible $2.5 million gift in the next 90 days, or the opportunity will pass. We cannot let that happen. Not now. Not during this incredible season!
My dear friend who is planting this seed has lived the principle of giving unselfishly to the Gospel throughout his life and ministry, and he has been fabulously successful. I believe, with him, that this is a unique moment in time—an awesome season of debt cancellation—as the wealth transfer takes place to God’s people around the world.
God’s Word proclaims that His grace is “sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness” (2 Corinthians 12:9). Because of God’s grace, He wants to restore your home, your favor, your protection, your fellowship with Him, and so much more. And I truly believe that as you take part in this great challenge as we match this $2.5 million gift together, you will see a miraculous breakthrough in breaking the bondages of debt during the next 90 days.
Your Double Harvest Miracle
Are you ready for God to do the “impossible” in your life!
Are you ready to see your harvest doubled?
Are you ready to see your debt cancelled in the next 90 days?
Imagine not dreading going to the mailbox, no bills piling up on your counter, and no calls from collectors coming to your home. God wants to wipe your debt out! Every bit of it…and in the next 90 days!
This is an appointed hour. Imagine: Your $100 gift immediately doubles to $200. Your $500 seed literally becomes $1,000. If God leads you to plant $10,000, it instantly grows into a $20,000 seed! And your double seed, sown bountifully, will reap bountifully through the supernatural law of multiplication!
Only God could provide something like this—a double harvest for you. And the more you plant, the more you will reap!
The anointing for biblical abundance is being released. As you step into this miracle by faith, it will be poured out upon you, too! Your giving is literally the weapon that breaks the bondage of debt in this ministry and in your home during the next 90 days.
Plant your seed-gift now, then begin confessing over every bill, every debt, and every area of financial struggle in your life:
“With God I’m coming out of debt in 90 days!!!”
These repeated confessions will be constant reminders of the financial breakthrough that is coming to you.

Prosperity Gospel, Word of Faith heretic Benny Hinn of the Trinity Broadcast Network, who has made hundreds of millions of dollars over the years spreading his false gospel, is now pleading with his followers to send him $2.5M over a 90-day period in order to rescue his ministry from debt. In return for giving him money, Hinn promises his followers a “double return on investment” for every dollar they spend. This is yet another example of the shameless scams and manipulation by false teachers in the Christian church who use the love of money to lure unwitting believers into trying to use money to “buy favor and blessings” from God. Not only is this teaching not in the Bible, it goes against the true Gospel and is in fact a part of the apostasy – the end times falling away of much of the Christian church away from biblical Christianity and into false doctrine and satanic worship.

Hinn’s Plea
Here is an excerpt from Hinn’s request, which was emailed to his millions of followers worldwide, as stated on his ministry website:
Christianity EtcRe: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by nora544: 8:14pm On Oct 08, 2014
https://www.nairaland.com/1939255/bankruptcy-prosperity-gospel-exercise-biblical

read this and than you know that it is fake gospel.
Christianity EtcRe: The Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op): 6:56pm On Oct 08, 2014
paulGrundy:
Nora544 cannot write eligibly like that ^^
That was a beautiful copy and paste. grin grin

Please try and provide us with the source.
I can write it in my language !!

David Jones

David is currently Associate Professor of Christian Ethics, and Director of the Th.M. program at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, where he has been teaching at since 2001.

He is the author of six books and more than a dozen articles over a wide range of moral and theological issues that have appeared in various academic journals as well as other scholarly publications.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 6:48pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
the fact that you read stuffs like this does not justify others do it just as the fact that there are gay rev fathers doesn't justify all rev fathers are gay ... Simple
sorry and you write no the greatest stuff but you know Benny hinn and what i post is no fake it is tru.

I know you are a brainwased follower of the prosperity gospel.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 6:38pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
where in the bible did you see tithing for jewsh ... go read malachi ... after all they dont force the money from your hands .... they were able to sell their ... its a great skill ... marketability . companies die to have individuals who can sell out .. it not an easy business sis ... jesus even said it , dont you know I have to go about my father's business.
This Incredible Season of Miracles Begins Now
That’s why I am now coming to you through this urgent and time-dated letter. We have an astonishing opportunity to release an amazing $5 million harvest into this ministry by matching an incredible $2.5 million gift in the next 90 days, or the opportunity will pass. We cannot let that happen. Not now. Not during this incredible season!
My dear friend who is planting this seed has lived the principle of giving unselfishly to the Gospel throughout his life and ministry, and he has been fabulously successful. I believe, with him, that this is a unique moment in time—an awesome season of debt cancellation—as the wealth transfer takes place to God’s people around the world.
God’s Word proclaims that His grace is “sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness” (2 Corinthians 12:9). Because of God’s grace, He wants to restore your home, your favor, your protection, your fellowship with Him, and so much more. And I truly believe that as you take part in this great challenge as we match this $2.5 million gift together, you will see a miraculous breakthrough in breaking the bondages of debt during the next 90 days.
Your Double Harvest Miracle
Are you ready for God to do the “impossible” in your life!
Are you ready to see your harvest doubled?
Are you ready to see your debt cancelled in the next 90 days?
Imagine not dreading going to the mailbox, no bills piling up on your counter, and no calls from collectors coming to your home. God wants to wipe your debt out! Every bit of it…and in the next 90 days!
This is an appointed hour. Imagine: Your $100 gift immediately doubles to $200. Your $500 seed literally becomes $1,000. If God leads you to plant $10,000, it instantly grows into a $20,000 seed! And your double seed, sown bountifully, will reap bountifully through the supernatural law of multiplication!
Only God could provide something like this—a double harvest for you. And the more you plant, the more you will reap!
The anointing for biblical abundance is being released. As you step into this miracle by faith, it will be poured out upon you, too! Your giving is literally the weapon that breaks the bondage of debt in this ministry and in your home during the next 90 days.
Plant your seed-gift now, then begin confessing over every bill, every debt, and every area of financial struggle in your life:
“With God I’m coming out of debt in 90 days!!!”
These repeated confessions will be constant reminders of the financial breakthrough that is coming to you.

That
is like many of this fake preachers work that is from Benny Hinn and he is not better than the rich nigerian Pastors.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 6:25pm On Oct 08, 2014
Prosperity Preacher Benny Hinn Begs Followers for $2.5M

Prosperity Gospel, Word of Faith heretic Benny Hinn of the Trinity Broadcast Network, who has made hundreds of millions of dollars over the years spreading his false gospel, is now pleading with his followers to send him $2.5M over a 90-day period in order to rescue his ministry from debt. In return for giving him money, Hinn promises his followers a “double return on investment” for every dollar they spend. This is yet another example of the shameless scams and manipulation by false teachers in the Christian church who use the love of money to lure unwitting believers into trying to use money to “buy favor and blessings” from God. Not only is this teaching not in the Bible, it goes against the true Gospel and is in fact a part of the apostasy – the end times falling away of much of the Christian church away from biblical Christianity and into false doctrine and satanic worship.

Hinn’s Plea
Here is an excerpt from Hinn’s request, which was emailed to his millions of followers worldwide, as stated on his ministry website:

“Let me quickly explain about this historic miracle: A long-time and beloved friend of mine and of this ministry shared something with me this week that literally touched me to the core!
“Benny,” he said, “God wants your ministry to be completely out of debt, and I want to plant an anointed seed that will help you take a giant step toward becoming totally debt-free!”
Now this is a very precious man of God whom I have known and loved more than three decades. He has been such a blessing to the cause of Christ. So when he said this, needless to say, I was thrilled beyond words at his unbelievable generosity and the remarkable timeliness of his offer.
You see, even as God has given us a new beginning, we have faced incredible challenges as a ministry as a result of things that happened in the past few years. At the same time our broken home was attracting attention from worldwide news services, the economies of so many of the countries where our partners live have been hit mercilessly. As a result, some of our partners decided to suspend giving or to simply walk away.
And while we have seen God beginning to restore so much, one of the last pieces of the puzzle has been our finances. So you can only imagine how it nearly took my breath away when he told me how much…
But then there was something more this man of God added:
Benny, God has laid it on my heart to plant a seed of $2.5 million into your ministry, but God only wants me to make this gift if the ministry partners match the amount within 90 days! I feel so strongly that He wants them to be part of the supernatural wealth transfer that is coming to every believer who will obey God’s Word.
What could I say? Immediately I saw the hand of God in this. Our Lord could have simply used our friend to plant the seed and be blessed immeasurably by it. But it was so evident that God wants to provide an even greater miracle than the $2.5 million. He desires for our partners and ministry friends to be blessed as they join together with this precious man of God by planting a much larger seed into the work of the Lord, and, in so doing, doubling the blessings.
I quickly told him, “I cannot say no. When I share with my partners what God is doing, they will jump at the chance to be part of this amazing opportunity. I just know it!”
Christianity EtcThe Prosperity Gospel: A New Heresy by nora544(op): 5:52pm On Oct 08, 2014
While Chrapitalism is a product illicit union of the Christianity with capitalism, the prosperity gospel is the result of the unbiblical marriage of Christian theology with capitalism. The prosperity gospel is a heresy because it is a distortion of the gospel. It uses bad theology and a faulty interpretation of the Bible.

The prosperity gospel is known under a variety of names: Word of Faith, Health and Wealth, Name It and Claim It, Prosperity Theology. It emphasizes that believers do not have to wait until they get to heaven, but that God's promised generosity is already available in this life, and they can claim it for themselves. The core teaching is simply that "God wants all Christians to be very rich in this life, stay healthy, and the key is giving through tithes and offerings."

Although the prosperity gospel uses many biblical texts to support its theology, its signature text is probably John 10: 10: "I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly." There are many more texts, such as Malachi 3:10, Matthew 25: 14-30, Philippians 4: 9, and 3 John 2 that are used -- or more accurately misused -- by the prosperity gospel.

In a poll sponsored by TIME magazine, 17% of Christians said they consider themselves part of such a movement, while 61% believe that God wants people to be prosperous. And 31% agree that if you give your money to God, God will bless you with more money.

The prosperity gospel movement is centered on faith, which is conceived of as an "activator," a power given to believers that binds and looses spiritual forces and turns the spoken word into reality.

It depicts faith as visibly demonstrated in wealth and health. This can be measured both in the wallet -- one's personal wealth -- and in the body -- one's personal health -- and makes material reality the measure of the success of immaterial faith. It expects that faith is marked by victory which no political, social, or economic circumstance can stop.

The origins of prosperity gospel can be found in the Pentecostal deliverance and healing ministries in the 40s and 50s. The power of positive thinking of Norman Vincent Peale also played a role. It reached maturity by the late 70s as a robust pan-denominational movement that has since then spread to many parts of the world.

Three evangelists are commonly viewed as founders of the prosperity gospel movement: Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and Frederick K.C. Price. One of the oldest and best-known proponents of prosperity theology was Oral Roberts. Other names associated with the movement include Benny Hinn, Frederick Price, T.D. Jakes, Robert Tilton, and the appropriately named Creflo Dollar. Joel Osteen is often included, although he dissociates himself from it somewhat.

In the 60s, prosperity gospel teachers turned to televangelism and came to dominate religious programming in the US. Trinity Broadcasting Network later became very prominent. Schools, such as Hagin's RHEMA Bible Training Center, also helped to spread the message, as did many books, such as Bruce Wilkersons' The Prayer of Jabez.

Nigeria became a breeding ground that helped to spread this unbiblical teaching, based on money, greed, lust, deception and materialism, all over Africa. This false gospel targets especially the poorest, weakest, most hopeless, helpless and desperate members of African society. The primary beneficiaries are the prosperity teachers who have become super-rich, while millions of their followers and givers live in abject poverty and lack the basic necessities of life.

In Nigeria, the prosperity gospel is preached not only in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches but can be heard today in many mainline churches as well, including the Anglican Church. I guess that these mainline pastors figured it was better to jump on the prosperity bandwagon than lose all their flock to other churches. It doesn't help that, even in the mainline churches, Nigerian pastors tend to be poorly educated.

The prosperity gospel is built upon a number of erroneous theological arguments, of which I can provide only a summary (adapted from "The Bankruptcy of the Prosperity Gospel" by David Jones):

A faulty understanding of the covenant with Abraham. Christians share in this covenant, but for the prosperity gospel this includes not just spiritual blessings, but also includes material ones. Moreover, these blessings are unconditional.

A faulty understanding of the atonement based on a misinterpretation of 2 Cor. 8:9, where Paul in no way teaches that Christ died on the cross for the purpose of increasing anyone’s net material worth.

A faulty understanding of the biblical teachings on giving. This is built upon faulty motives. One ought give in order to get a great return. Edward Pousson observes those who espouse this message are held captive by the American dream.

A faulty understanding of the biblical teachings on faith. Faith is not simply trust in God, but a spiritual force that is directed at God so that he will bless people.

A faulty view of the relationship between God and man. If the prosperity gospel is correct, grace becomes obsolete. Then God becomes irrelevant, since man is the measure of all things.

All of this is the result of a faulty hermeneutic. Biblical texts are repeatedly misinterpreted. 3 John 2 is an example. This text is a greeting, and should not be used to derive doctrines. Also, the Greek word here, which is used only four times in Scripture, does not mean to prosper in the sense of “gaining material possessions,” as the prosperity gospel teaches, but rather means “to grant a prosperous expedition and expeditious journey,” or “to lead by a direct and easy way.”

For me, the issue is not just an idiosyncratic misreading of the Bible, with the faulty theology that results, but something more serious. TIME magazine describes the prosperity gospel as the latest lurch in Protestantism's ongoing descent into full-blown American materialism. After the eclipse of Calvinist Puritanism, whose respect for money was counterbalanced by a horror of worldliness, much of Protestantism quietly adopted the idea that "you don't have to give up the American Dream. You just see it as a sign of God's blessing,"

The prosperity gospel is a baptized form of capitalism. Capitalism has been brought into the church and given a position of honor. Unfortunately, God has been shunted aside. Instead Mammom is being worshiped as if he were the true God. This is idolatry. It is a perversion of the gospel.

Jesus was born poor and he died poor. If a person's faith could merit material blessings, then he would been the richest man in the world. Instead, at his incarnation, "he made himself nothing, by taking the very nature of a servant" (Philippians 2:7). Only later did God exalt him and restore him to his former glory. This is the true gospel of Jesus, not the materialistic version the prosperity gospel presents.

Jesus died on a cross, not in a huge mansion. The prosperity gospel is also not the gospel that the twelve apostles preached. Nearly every last one of them was martyred for his faith. Contrast the life of Jesus and the apostles with the lifestyle of those who espouse the prosperity gospel.

This is why the prosperity gospel is a heresy. People are being led astray -- not only believers, who are taught a perverted form of the gospel but also unbelievers who get a very distorted picture of the Christian faith and of the Jesus whom these preachers represent.

While I commend them for their zeal for evangelism, all too often this is motivated by an even greater zeal for wealth on their part as well as that of the people they are preaching to. Greed seems to be the primary motivation behind the prosperity gospel movement. For that reason it must be condemned.

Blaise Pascal famously said that God can even use the lesser motives of men. God can use these prosperity preachers, and he does. Thus we should be careful how we judge them. Our judgment is not of them but of their theology. We must leave any further judgment to God.

Christianity EtcRe: The Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op):
Conclusion

Through this study of the theology and the biblical interpretation of the prosperity gospel, one may discern five clear reasons why this movement’s teachings concerning wealth are incorrect:

1. The prosperity gospel is built upon a faulty understanding of the Abrahamic covenant.

2. The prosperity gospel is built upon a faulty understanding of the Atonement.

3. The prosperity gospel is based upon a faulty understanding of the biblical tachings on giving.

4. The prosperity gospel is based upon a faulty understanding of the biblical teachings on faith.

5. The prosperity gospel, in general, has been constructed upon faulty biblical interpretation.

Aside from these five specific theological and biblical arguments against the prosperity gospel, and without even considering the practical implications of this movement,41 there is perhaps one general, summary reason why the prosperity gospel is a wayward gospel: its faulty view of the relationship between God and man. Simply put, if the prosperity gospel is correct, grace becomes obsolete, God becomes irrelevant, and man is the measure of all things. Whether it is the Abrahamic covenant, the Atonement, giving, faith, or the biblical interpretation of any given verse, the prosperity teacher seeks to turn the relationship between God and man into a financial quid pro quo transaction. As scholar James R. Goff noted, God is “reduced to a kind of ‘cosmic bellhop’ attending to the needs and desires of his creation.”42 This is a wholly inadequate and unbiblical view of the relationship between God and man and the stewardship of wealth.

https://bible.org/article/bankruptcy-prosperity-gospel-exercise-biblical-and-theological-ethics
Christianity EtcRe: The Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op): 5:37pm On Oct 08, 2014
Prosperity Theology and Giving

One of the most striking characteristics of the prosperity theologians is their seeming fixation with the act of giving. Students of the prosperity gospel are urged to give generously and are confronted with such pious statements as, “True prosperity is the ability to use God’s power to meet the needs of mankind in any realm of life,”23 and, “We have been called to finance the gospel to the world.”24 While at face value these statements do indeed appear to be praiseworthy, a closer examination of the theology behind them reveals that the prosperity gospel’s emphasis on giving is built on anything but philanthropic motives. The driving force behind this emphasis on giving is what teacher Robert Tilton referred to as the “Law of Compensation.”25 According to this law, which is supposedly based on Mark 10:30,26 Christians need to give generously to others because when they do, God gives back more in return. This, in turn, leads to a cycle of ever-increasing prosperity.

As Gloria Copeland put it, “Give $10 and receive $1,000; give $1,000 and receive $100,000;... in short, Mark 10:30 is a very good deal.”27 It is evident, then, that the prosperity gospel’s doctrine of giving is built upon faulty motives. Whereas Jesus taught His disciples to “give, hoping for nothing in return,”28 prosperity theologians teach their disciples to give because they will get a great return. One cannot help but agree with author Edward Pousson’s observation that the stewardship of “the prosperity message is in captivity to the American dream.”

Prosperity Theology and Faith

A final area of prosperity theology that merits investigation is that of the doctrine of faith. Whereas orthodox Christianity understands faith to be “trust in the person of Jesus Christ, the truth of His teaching, and the redemptive work He accomplished at Calvary,”30 prosperity teachers espouse quite a different doctrine. In his book, The Laws of Prosperity, Kenneth Copeland wrote that “faith is a spiritual force, a spiritual energy, a spiritual power. It is this force of faith which makes the laws of the spirit world function. . . . There are certain laws governing prosperity revealed in God’s Word. Faith causes them to function.”31 This is obviously a faulty, if not heretical, understanding of faith. Later in the same book Copeland wrote that “if you make up your mind . . . that you are willing to live in divine prosperity and abundance, . . . divine prosperity will come to pass in your life. You have exercised your faith.”32 According to prosperity theology, faith is not a theocentric act of the will, or simply trust in God; rather it is an anthropocentric spiritual force, directed at God. Indeed, any theology that views faith solely as a means to material gain rather than the acceptance of heavenly justification must be judged as faulty and inadequate.

The Biblical Interpretation of the Prosperity Gospel

As has already been demonstrated in this paper, the hermeneutics of the prosperity movement leaves much to be desired. Author Ken Sarles wrote of the prosperity teachers that their “method of interpreting the biblical text is highly subjective and arbitrary. Bible verses are quoted in abundance without attention to grammatical indicators, semantic nuances, or literary and historical context. The result is a set of ideas and principles based on distortion of textual meaning.”33 Indeed, a survey of the volumes of literature produced by the prosperity teachers yields numerous examples of such misinterpretations. As was the case in the theological study of this movement, an analysis of all such examples of misinterpreted texts would fall beyond the scope of this study. However, it is possible to choose one verse as an example and to examine both the prosperity gospel and orthodox interpretations of the text.

A suitable verse for this study is 3 John 2.34 In this verse, the Apostle John wrote, “Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.”35 This verse is interpreted by prosperity teachers to mean that God wants all believers to “prosper in all things.” Furthermore, their interpretation of this verse makes clear their claim that material prosperity is inseparably linked to spiritual growth. Oral Roberts, regarded by many to be the father of the prosperity gospel movement, claimed at the beginning of his ministry, during a time of search for direction, that God miraculously led him to 3 John 2, which he understood as a revelation of the prosperity gospel.

Another faith teacher who has built his ministry around this faulty interpretation of 3 John 2 is Kenneth Copeland. Author Kenneth Kantzer noted that “Copeland misinterprets this [verse] as a universal promise,”37 and writer Bruce Barron remarked that “the Copelands use these words so often that they appear to be the key verse of their ministry.”38 A careful study of 3 John 2, however, reveals that this verse is not a carte blanche approval of prosperity gospel teachings.

Those who use 3 John 2 to support the prosperity gospel are committing two crucial errors, the first contextual and the second grammatical. First, con-textually, one is wise to note that John’s purpose in writing 3 John 2 was not to teach doctrine; it was simply to open his letter with a greeting. This is not to say that doctrine cannot be derived from a nondoctrinal passage, for all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, but it is to say that one must be sensitive to the original author’s intent. Therefore, the claim that 3 John 2 teaches the doctrine of prosperity ought to be regarded as suspect at best. Second, one is wise to note the meaning of the word “prosperity” as it occurs in this verse. The term translated “prosperity” is a form of the Greek word eujodovw. This word, which is used only four times in Scripture, does not mean to prosper in the sense of “gaining material possessions,” but rather means “to grant a prosperous expedition and expeditious journey,” or “to lead by a direct and easy way.”39 The wording of modern translations such as the New International Version even reflect this nuance of the word.40 Therefore it is evident that teachers who understand 3 John 2 to teach prosperity theology are misinterpreting the text.
Christianity EtcThe Bankruptcy Of The Prosperity Gospel: An Exercise In Biblical And Theological by nora544(op): 5:36pm On Oct 08, 2014
Just over one hundred years ago, the renowned pastor and statesman Charles H. Spurgeon spoke these words to the then-largest congregation in all Christendom:

I believe that it is anti-Christian and unholy for any Christian to live with the object of accumulating wealth. You will say, “Are we not to strive all we can to get all the money we can?” You may do so. I cannot doubt but what, in so doing, you may do service to the cause of God. But what I said was that to live with the object of accumulating wealth is anti-Christian.1

Over the years, however, the message being preached in some of the largest churches in the world has changed. Due, in part, to the rise of several ungodly philosophies and movements,2 a new gospel is being taught today. This gospel has been ascribed many names, such as the “name it and claim it” gospel, the “blab it and grab it” gospel, the “health and wealth” gospel, the “word of faith” movement, the “gospel of success,” the “prosperity gospel,” and “positive confession theology.”3

No matter what name is used, though, the teaching is the same. Simply put, this egocentric gospel teaches that God wants believers to be materially wealthy. Listen to the words of Robert Tilton, one of the prosperity gospel’s most well-known spokesmen: “I believe that it is the will of God for all to prosper because I see it in the Word [of God], not because it has worked mightily for someone else. I do not put my eyes on men, but on God who gives me the power to get wealth.”4

Teachers of the prosperity gospel encourage their followers to pray, and even demand, of God “everything from modes of transportation (cars, vans, trucks, even two-seat planes), [to] homes, furniture, and large bank accounts.”5 By closely examining the faulty theology and errant biblical interpretation of the teachers of this movement, this study will prove that the prosperity gospel teachings regarding the acquisition and accumulation of wealth are ethically incorrect.

The Theology of the Prosperity Gospel

“Theology is important,” wrote scholar Millard J. Erickson, “because correct doctrinal beliefs are essential to the relationship between the believer and God.”6 A corollary to this statement is that an incorrect theology will lead to incorrect beliefs about God, His Word, and His dealings with men. The thesis of this paper is that the prosperity gospel is constructed upon a faulty theology. Consequently, many of its doctrines, including the teachings concerning wealth, are erroneous. While it is beyond the scope of this study to examine in detail all of the specific doctrines of prosperity theology, there are four crucial areas of error relating to their teachings on wealth that may be isolated and examined. These areas are the Abrahamic covenant, the Atonement, giving, and faith.
Prosperity Theology and the Abrahamic Covenant

The theological basis of the prosperity gospel is the Abrahamic covenant.7 While this is good in that prosperity theologians recognize that much of Scripture is the record of the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant, it is bad in that they do not maintain an orthodox view of this covenant. Prosperity theologians hold an incorrect view of the inception of the Abrahamic covenant; what is more germane to the present study, however, they hold to an erroneous view concerning the application of the covenant.

Researcher Edward Pousson best stated the prosperity view on the application of the Abrahamic covenant when he wrote, “Christians are Abraham’s spiritual children and heirs to the blessings of faith.... This Abrahamic inheritance is unpacked primarily in terms of material entitlements.”9 In other words, according to the prosperity gospel, the primary purpose of the Abrahamic covenant was for God to bless Abraham materially. Since believers are now “Abraham’s spiritual children,” they consequently have inherited these financial blessings of the covenant.

Prosperity teacher Kenneth Copeland wrote, “Since God’s Covenant has been established and prosperity is a provision of this covenant, you need to realize that prosperity belongs to you now!”10 Referring to the prosperity theology of Kenneth Hagin, author Harvey Cox wrote, “Through the crucifixion of Christ, Christians have inherited all the promises made to Abraham, and these include both spiritual and material well-being.”11 To support this claim, prosperity teachers such as Copeland and Hagin appeal to Gal. 3:14, which says “that the blessings of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus. . . .”12 While it is not an understatement to say that the problems with this argument are legion, two glaring problems need to be addressed. First, in their appeal to Gal. 3:14, prosperity teachers ignore the second half of the verse, which reads, “That we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”13 In this verse Paul clearly was reminding the Galatians of the spiritual blessing of salvation, not the material blessing of wealth.

Second, prosperity teachers claim that the conduit through which believers receive Abraham’s blessings is faith. This completely ignores the orthodox understanding that the Abrahamic covenant was an unconditional covenant.14 That is, the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant were not contingent upon one man’s obedience. Therefore, even if the Abrahamic covenant did apply to Christians, all believers would already be experiencing the material blessings regardless of prosperity theology.
Prosperity Theology and the Atonement

A second cracked pillar upon which prosperity theology stands is that of a faulty view of the Atonement. Theologian Ken Sarles wrote that “the prosperity gospel claims that both physical healing and financial prosperity have been provided for in the Atonement.”15 This seems to be an accurate observation in light of teacher Kenneth Copeland’s comment that “the basic principle of the Christian life is to know that God put our sin, sickness, disease, sorrow, grief, and poverty on Jesus at Calvary.”16 This misunderstanding of the Atonement stems from two errors that proponents of the prosperity gospel make.

First, many who hold to prosperity theology have a fundamental misconception of the life of Christ. For example, teacher John Avanzini proclaimed that “Jesus had a nice house, a big house,”17 “Jesus was handling big money,”18 and He even “wore designer clothes.”19 It is easy to see how such a warped view of the life of Christ could lead to an equally warped misconception of the death of Christ.

A second error of prosperity theology, which also leads to a faulty view of the Atonement, is the misinterpretation of 2 Cor. 8:9. Without exception, this is the verse to which prosperity teachers appeal in order to support their view of the Atonement. The verse reads, “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.”20 This problem with this interpretation is, of course, that in this verse Paul was in no way teaching that Christ died on the cross for the purpose of increasing anyone’s net worth materially. In fact, Paul was actually teaching the exact opposite principle.

Contextually, it is clear that Paul was teaching the Corinthians that since Christ accomplished so much for them through the Atonement, then how much more ought they empty themselves of their riches in service of the Savior. This is why just five short verses later Paul would urge the Corinthians to give their wealth away to their needy brothers, writing “that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack.”21 Commentator Philip E. Hughes wrote of 2 Cor. 8:9, “The logic implicit in the statement of this great truth is too obvious for anyone to miss it.”22 Apparently, however, the champions of the prosperity gospel have indeed missed it.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 3:55pm On Oct 08, 2014
ooshinibos:
Am shock we dont have billionaires among them , we have a lot to do brothers and sisters , we are not rich enough , unbelievers have more money than us .... we need this transfer of wealth to happen soon ..so the gospel can be preached all over
What is this sorry did he give one Kobo to the poor people in Syria at the moment you are a stupid follower of this herensy gospel please read your bible and don't hear of the fake gospel of this God of man.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 3:04pm On Oct 08, 2014
EldaTimba:
Are you serious? Did u know Jesus had a treasurer?
And Jesus never turned down the woman who sprayed him with expensive perfume. Imagine if I buy the most expensive perfume and I use it on Oyedepo. You all will castigate me not knowing it was done in the bible.
What you write now is heresy because for you Oyedepo is your god your Idol, so he is the god of men and not a follower in the foot of jesus.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:58pm On Oct 08, 2014
san316:
what richness is righteous that lives in the midst of hungry people and still take from them. I know some workers that got the 15k salary and still had to pay 1.5k as tithe. Who do the pastors pay to?
I know when you want to belong to adeboyes convernat you have to pay 2000 naira per month and that is the smalest what you can do and it goes up to million before it has start with 100 Naira so he lose his brain because he didnot know how much most of nigerians realy have on salary.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:50pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
where in the bible did you see tithing for jewsh ... go read malachi ... after all they dont force the money from your hands .... they were able to sell their ... its a great skill ... marketability . companies die to have individuals who can sell out .. it not an easy business sis ... jesus even said it , dont you know I have to go about my father's business.
read this and you will understand I know it is long

https://www.nairaland.com/1584133/trial-pastor-jones-adeboye-short

it is the same with all this rich nigerian pastors.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:48pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
where in the bible did you see tithing for jewsh ... go read malachi ... after all they dont force the money from your hands .... they were able to sell their ... its a great skill ... marketability . companies die to have individuals who can sell out .. it not an easy business sis ... jesus even said it , dont you know I have to go about my father's business.
please read this and than you will understand

https://www.nairaland.com/1934119/tithe-fraud
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:47pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
prosperity comes under the anoiting ... .not everyone has got the gift to see visions or heal .. different men with different gifts.
Please show me one person who got real healed because all is fraud and also this visions are a fraud.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:44pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
you dont need the extra rich to take care of the poor ... you and I can do that . the bible made it clear , there will always be poor and rich amongst us .... but he made the rich rich so as to help the poor.
It was during the Healing Revivals of the 1950s that prosperity theology first came to prominence in the United States, although commentators have linked the origins of its theology to the New Thought movement which began in the 1800s. The prosperity teaching later figured prominently in the Word of Faith movement and 1980s televangelism. In the 1990s and 2000s, it was adopted by influential leaders in the Charismatic Movement and promoted by Christian missionaries throughout the world, sometimes leading to the establishment of mega-churches. Prominent leaders in the development of prosperity theology include E. W. Kenyon, Oral Roberts, A. A. Allen, Robert Tilton, T. L. Osborn, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, and Kenneth Hagin.

Churches in which the prosperity gospel is taught are often non-denominational and usually directed by a sole pastor or leader, although some have developed multi-church networks that bear similarities to denominations. Such churches typically set aside extended time to teach about giving and request donations from the congregation, encouraging positive speech and faith. Prosperity churches often teach about financial responsibility, though some journalists and academics have criticized their advice in this area as misleading.

Prosperity theology has been criticized as heresy by leaders in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, as well as other Christian denominations. These leaders maintain that it is irresponsible, promotes idolatry, and is contrary to scripture. Some critics have proposed that prosperity theology cultivates authoritarian organizations, with the leaders controlling the lives of the adherents. The doctrine has also become popular in South Korea; academics have attributed some of its success to its parallels with the traditional shamanistic culture. Prosperity theology has drawn followers from the American middle class and poor, and has been likened to the cargo cult phenomenon, traditional African religion, and black liberation theology.

While prosperity churches have a reputation for manipulating and alienating the poor,[21] many are involved in social programs. Underlying these programs is a theology of empowerment and human flourishing with the goal of releasing people from a "welfare" or "victim" mentality.[21] Many prosperity churches hold seminars on financial responsibility. Kate Bowler, an academic who studies prosperity theology, has criticized such seminars, arguing that though they contain some sound advice the seminars often emphasize the purchase of expensive possessions.[11] Hanna Rosin of The Atlantic argues that prosperity theology contributed to the housing bubble that caused the late-2000s financial crisis. She maintains that home ownership was heavily emphasized in prosperity churches, causing a reliance on divine financial intervention that led to unwise choices.[11]

In their book Health, Wealth and Happiness, theologians David Jones and Russell Woodbridge characterize the doctrine as poor theology.[61] They suggest that righteousness cannot be earned and that the Bible does not promise an easy life.[62] They argue that it is inconsistent with the gospel of Jesus and propose that the central message of the gospel should be Jesus' life, death, and resurrection.[62] Jones and Woodbridge see Jesus' importance as vital, criticizing the prosperity gospel for marginalizing him in favor of a focus on human need.[63] In another article, Jones criticizes the prosperity theology interpretation of the Abrahamic covenant, God's promise to bless Abraham's descendants, arguing that this blessing is spiritual and should already apply to all Christians. He also argues that the proponents of the doctrine misconstrue the atonement, criticizing their teaching that Jesus' death took away poverty as well as sin. He believes that this teaching is drawn from a misunderstanding of Jesus' life and criticizes John Avanzini's teaching that Jesus was wealthy as a misrepresentation,[64] noting that Paul often taught Christians to give up their material possessions. Although he accepts giving as "praiseworthy",[64] he questions the motives of prosperity theology and criticizes the "Law of Compensation",[64] which teaches that when Christians give generously, God will give back more in return. Rather, Jones cites Jesus' teaching to "give, hoping for nothing in return."[64] Jones and Woodbridge also note that Jesus instructed followers to focus on spiritual rewards, citing his command in Matthew 6:19–20 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth ... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven" (KJV).[65] Jones criticizes the doctrine's view of faith: he does not believe that it should be used as a spiritual force for material gain but seen as selfless acceptance of God.[64]
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:38pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
tell me if everything they say is not written in the bible ... everything is backed up by scriptures ... you as an individual should understand its meaning and know when and when not to give ... period .
sorry they can twist the scripture very good.

We should give and tithing is for the jewish since when christians are jewish.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:25pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
you dont get the cycle , majority of these people giving are the ones ripping the poor . the pastors did not say you must give to them compulsorily ... did they ?
They know what they have to tell their brainwased followers.

I will only remember when you didnot give than you will lose your blesing.
When you didnot give your first fruit than you will lose the blessing.
When you didnot give you will rob God.
When you didnot give God will curse you.

Sorry that you can hear from the charismatic/pentecost God of men.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:07pm On Oct 08, 2014
majekdom2:
did you hear of that german rev father alleged to be living a luxurious lifestyle ... you should google it.
And did you hear what happen to him because this you didnot tell he lose all he is a normal priest and nothing more.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 2:06pm On Oct 08, 2014
penny01502:
shut up, pope don't hold a dime of worshipers money nor a single property of his own, moreover Roman Catholic are devoted into charity and whatever they make are into charitable services. 99% of orphanage homes and rehablitation centers for the disable are own by catholic. Let me bring it to mine that catholic schools are almost the cheapest among all the missionary schools of which 80% of the students are through scholarships irrespective of their christianity denomination of religous background. Roman Catholic is for our Lord Jesus Christ, He is then founder and it does not belong to any individual who claim tithe and offering as it happen in the penticostal/prostestants and others christianity denominations. No Roman Catholic prist ever heard of issue scaming/frauding or money laundry as in the other way round for prist of other christians denomination, Roman Catholic prist are not proud owners of privet jet as it is compititve for other prist. So wheneve you wana trow your weight about for christinity issue, please spare Roman Catholic and Its ordain prist.
I know that this is tru because I know what the caritas make in nigeria, they go to the small villages to speak against HIV and learn the people what they can do,

Madonna UNiversity has on his homepage that student who didnot have the money should also apply.

The caritas is also helping in the west african countries where they have ebola did you hear that one of this rich pastors make something.

pentecost/charismatic religon and his preachers are a big problem in nigeria and the people didnot know that his gospel is a heresy gospel.

Please tell me why they didnot make it in main europa because we didnot lose our brain.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 1:49pm On Oct 08, 2014
Neldrizzy:
salvation is personal, seek first the kingdom of God and any other thing would be add unto you,...... these men seek the kingdom of God and now they found and God has blessed them, they should be poor cus they are working for God? Nobody heard or know abt papa Adeboye when he started his church inside his parlour in kaduna.
Sorry that is not tru, Adeboye got a church from his mentor and not he started it with nothing sorry that is a fake story.

Adeboye know when he make it very good that he could have a better life as a pastor.
He know how to make money.
Would he have a private jet when he where still a lecturere at an university in nigeria.
Christianity EtcRe: David Oyedepo & Oyakhilome Are The Richest Pastors In The World (Top 10) by nora544: 1:28pm On Oct 08, 2014
Beehshorp:
and the pope worths more than all of them
The pope has thos this luxury lifesty and he owns not a private jet and no luxury car, look only at a photo from the pope and the nigerian CAN president with is blinbling and his bodygard.

Adeboye has more brain because when you make it the money belong to the hole family that it will not look like it is much.
Ho9w many children has he put all together than you kon how rich adeboye is.
Christianity EtcRe: Newly-found Document Holds Eyewitness Account Of Jesus Performing Miracle - See by nora544: 11:37am On Oct 08, 2014
Sorry that is a fake story and the newspaper is a american israel block, and many stories on this newspaper are not realy tru.
Christianity EtcRe: Photos From Bishop Oyedepo's 60th Birthday Celebration by nora544: 3:49pm On Oct 06, 2014
Lillyeean:
WHATEVER MAN........ But if by CEO you mean C[/b]hristian [b]E[/b]xtra- [b]O[/b]rdinaire..... then we are cool smiley
I mean this and that is the realy meaning not your brainwashed meaning from this God of men.

[b]A chief executive officer (CEO) is generally the most senior corporate officer (executive) or administrator in charge of managing a for-profit or non-profit organization. An individual appointed as a CEO of a corporation, company, nonprofit, or government agency typically reports to the board of directors. In British English, terms often used as synonyms for CEO include managing director (MD)[1] and chief executive (CE)
Christianity EtcRe: Photos From Bishop Oyedepo's 60th Birthday Celebration by nora544: 3:24pm On Oct 06, 2014
Lillyeean:
A LINEAGE OF EXCEEDING GRACE
That is the foto of a business family, and you will never see that this are pastors.

CEO with his sons his followers.
Christianity EtcRe: Prophet T.b Joshua Prophecy About Scoan Tragedy (video) by nora544: 11:41am On Oct 06, 2014
tip999:
His prophecies are always in parables my sister . Firstly he mention that he was suppose to go to another country after his visits to Columbia, but he saw a cloud coming to Nigeria , but he said the cloud was near his mouth unlike the other prophecies and so there was a need to cancel his journey to come and witness the "trouble". Then he made mention in an unusual illustration how that if scoan is bomb it will spread to the news. If you are familiar to his prophecies then you will understand this is the way he talk when giving prophesies.
Sorry that is a fake, and what he speaks all is possible he didnot know that the building will collaps.

He is no prophet he is a normal man and not more. I know it is hard for you and you make all that he look good but sorry I never see such a heartless man before who was crying that he has a hard time let us wait until the 13 of october and let us see what comes out.
Christianity EtcRe: Oyakhilome Consoles South Africans Over Synagogue Collapse by nora544: 7:57pm On Oct 05, 2014
Trustyd1:
haven gone through most of the comments here i must say i'm so worry about christianity of our generation.
But i just know that hypocrite is the problem here. ...For if any of us here be in Christ...
Why we'll we be here calling others names, judging, condemning and saying all manners of words against each other and even against men of God. Most of us don't read the bible or we should have known what happened to those that talk against Moses even when he did what was wrong in their eyes. When David was dancing one of his wives was course by God for criticizing how David danced in public. David refuse to lay a hand or say anything against Soul his predecessor because he's anointed by God. I can go on. Let us stop fighting for God he's alive and can take care of his issues. Rather let's worry about our relationship with God. If you don't like the a pastor is pastoring his church change the church, we have many churches. Or form your own. After all Jesus said "whenever 2or3 gather in my name i'm there in their mist".
God said in deut. The secret things belong to me. Stop seeking to know what is hidden.
God is in heaven and oversees the happenings on earth. I rest my case. God bless you all.
As you can see is a long write up so don't mind if i don't cross my Ts and dot my Is well. Just get the message.
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who is a real man of God not one of this rich pastors is a real man of God nigerians love their God of man.
Christianity EtcRe: Atmosphere For Miracles 2014 With Pastor Chris- Today, October 4th 2014 by nora544: 4:05pm On Oct 05, 2014
Gombs:
Its a she... and she claims to be Catholic. grin
https://www.nairaland.com/1934462/christ-embassy-new-twist-pastor

What is with this post you say nothing, he has nothing to say in UK,

The church in Uk didnot belong to him read this and it is tru.

Why we didnot see any photo of this event.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Embassy New Twist: Pastor Chris Removed As Trustee Of Church’s U.k Branch by nora544: 3:34pm On Oct 05, 2014
Want to know what comes out of this.

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