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EvilBrain1:
If you don't want Ebola to come back then tell your pastors to shut up with their fake healing nonsense.

It was TB Joshua that attracted the first Liberian guy here with his lies. And then many of those who were first exposed to him ran to different churches seeking for miracles instead of staying at home like they were told. I was involved in the Ebola response and I know for a fact that there were at least 2 people under surveillance who went to Redeemed camp for holy ghost congress against clear instructions, endangering tens of thousands from all over Nigeria. Another one fell sick at a prayer house outside Lagos and was later confirmed to have the disease.

The fact is that it is pastors and their 419 healing scams that are responsible for the Ebola deaths in Nigeria. And it was religious people and their magical thinking that were the biggest obstacle in containing it.

I have to tell you that this is tru because Ihear also from my daughter she work at the moment is siera leone for MSF that there are pastors who tell they people they should pray.

I know one Pastor his name is Engr. Steve Olumuyiwa he told people at the congress from the Wailing Women Worldwide
that ebola is a disease what God had send and that comes from a man who's daughter makes her PHD in Biomedicine she make her master degree in america, why he couldnot ask his daughter about ebola before he tell a fake story but all in the name of God.

I know that pentecost pastors make more harm that good.

so stop this praying and fasting it will bring nothing because the only word what all this pastors will never say is love.

The ebola outbreake in westafrica is because the peoeple are not educated why Uganda can manage it always they had outbreak this year from ebola and marburg fever and they could manage it that it was only few people who have died.

Maser:
Obviously your knowledge of geography is poor.He could have passed through Egypt's sinai which connects Africa and middle East by land and then get to Turkey and enter Europe by land. Very possible!

you never hear the word ferry which can take cars and big trucks from europa to africa.

alotofgrace:
HOW LOng did he spend on the road?




..... on bike ??

is there bridge between Morocco and Spain? or how did he cross Africa to Europe or another continent?

https://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/regional-geography-of-the-world-globalization-people-and-places/section_11/28ba66f2bd496aa4a1b728257dafa7fb.jpg

You can cross this with a ferry and many retired people from Europa travel ever year to morocco to leave the cold winter behind in europa they travel with their motorhomes.
To travel from europa to morocco by car or motorhome or bike is not a big problem and the streets in Europa are very good and also the streets in Morocco.

striktlymi:
Should society allow each individual do whatever he or she prefers without restraint just because the individual get's involved in what may be considered a 'victim-less crime'?

Should right-thinking governments promulgate laws that permit people to assist others to their deaths? That is what it all boils down to: granting people the right to do whatever they want with their bodies.

The debate on whether the individual was in pains or not is quite inconsequential when we take a look at the big picture. Permitting a very sick person to take his own life is the same as sanctioning the assisted death of a healthy and vibrant teenager etc.

The human race prides itself as being above the level of other animals because of our capacity for reason and logic. Would it be reasonable to grant people unhindered freedom to do whatever they want with their bodies, to include going naked on the streets?

I THINK NOT!!!

In my country we have special hospitals for people who have cancer and when tere is no helpf for them that the person get the right medicine that she will no feel pain because this is possible with the modern medicine.

I know we have this that doctors end the life of people because they where disabled.during the hitler regime and that was a bad time.

It is not the right law and I am happy that it is also not possible in my country because not all what comes from america is good.

Now it is out that 116 people where killed.

I read about this in the south african news

let us wait what comes out.

In my country we had a TV discussion about this and it is not allowed in my country but a doctor speak that it is possible that when they pain is to much that they can give her drugs that she will sleep until she is death.

what we can make in my country that is a living will that we don't want that we where put on life-sustaining machines.
I know this from my mother that the doctors make nothing what will keep her alife when she had cancer and the same happen to my husband.

what this young american woman make was not oaky and we here in europa have also some countries where it iss possible but it is very expensive.

The problem is that most of nigerian christian make what their pastor told them and that most of nigerian christian forgot that they have a brain because they l lost the brain in the church and that is why nigerians at this mess at the moment.

A TV is and was never a devil box but the pastor has fear that his followers will see the truth and that they will see that he preach a heresey gospel.

I just saw yesterday a documentation about the church in east germany 25 years ago when they start to protest against the goverment in the DDR it starts in a small church in leibzig and it was startet by a lutheran pastor and the people who start it know that they could go to prison, but at least they win and the goverment has to go.

@op you said it all.

I know from RCCG that they tell teir followers they help but God told Adeboye to help that now one knows it, soory that is a big lie because so nobody will know and see which small amount goes to charity.

This Pastors will always twist the bible that it works for their way.

laykhorn:
If this report is anything to go by, This man can't just stop amazing me. If everyone takes religion like this, tolerance and empathy won't be a problem and we'll be living in a better world

Thank you you wrote what I feel about this man because he is like a real christian should be and we can learn from him.

slimmy05:
The famous Church of God Mission by Benson Idahosa gave birth to Oritsejafor after they couldn't succeed the take over.

Who is now owner of the church the wife of heresy preacher Idahosa and his son is the head of hid University that shows that it is business and that that like in every family the net will become CEO.

This pentecost/charismatic churches are the death of nigerians christians because most of them preach a heresy gospel.

Aringon:
Bassey let me put it to u that, u do not say what u don't know. If u decide to play the piano without charges then good and well. There are so many pianoist, drummers, trumpeters are are being paid monthly. In my parish for example, the drummer and paionist are paid monthly salary, the church administrator is paid salary also. At every month, the parih renders the account and remit to the church HQTR the remaining which is used for the expansion of the church at the camp and for evangelism.
If u don't want to pay the tithe so be it n on judgement day, we will see who answer the questions as to y u refused to pay ur tithe

My father played the piano very long in the church and he never get paid, so did the drummer and the piano player not have an other job.
To play the piano in the church it is your time you give to God.

I never hear that piano player get money when they play on sunday in the church in my country.
I know many of them and all have a job some teach music.

Eyop:
Go and ask your pastor because i don't think you will get an accurate answer on this thread. As a student, you can as well pay 10% from your school fees,pocket money,etc if you don't mind.

since when is school fees income sorry you are a brainwashed pentecost/charismatic church follower.

Since when it has to be money you want that this poor student enrich that fake God of man.

Adeboye will give the church to one of his sons, because business will always stay in the family

So why it should be that he search for a new head.

RCCG is no church it is a business because when it is a real church he will not take the money from the poor and enrich himself.

He is the best how he make it.

I know the real story how he got the church and not the fake story he teach about God sorry he is a God of man and no real Man of God because who is a real christian and know the situation in nigeria will speak against the goverment to help the people not working together with the president.

Adeboye is the CEO of the RCCG churchcompany so the next CEO will be one of his sons.

markovnikoff001:
Butt implants are usually done by injecting silicone into the buttocks. The body reacts following this injection and fluids (plasma from the bloodstream) build up in the buttocks. This fluid has to be drained from time to time, through a hose that goes into the buttocks through an incision.
Infection can come in either of two ways:
1. The fluid is not drained properly and becomes fetid.
2. The incision is not properly sterilized following every draining session and becomes an open festering sore.
Either way bacteria finds its way into the buttocks. The individual may survive if the bacteria stay in the buttocks. On the flip side, the bacteria find their way into the blood stream and the individual's blood becomes poisoned.
I am almost sure that was what happened in this case: bacteria infected blood flowing into the body's vital organs which become overwhelmed, go into overdrive and eventually shut down as the body produces more antibodies than it normally would.

please don't tell such a lie that is not right, it is the same way like when you get a new breast but the problem is that only few dcoktors make it. The other was you can make more is with fat from the body.

This waht you write is dangerous and can kill one person.

jdilight:
REASONS AGAINST TITHING

1. To stop the spreading of the church/gospel of God.

The major way of financing the church of God is through tithe and offering. If this means of financing the church of God is destroyed, the church of God will go bankrupt. this will result to the end of the church of God. But by the power of God who instituted the church through prosperity and has pleasure in her prosperity, this gate of hell shall not prosper against the church of God in Jesus name.

2. To stop the prosperity of the children of God.

These people know that the pleasure of God in the prosperity of the servants of God which comes by pursuing the righteous cause of God, which include the spreading of the church and gospel of the kingdom of God causes God to pour out His blessing more on his children. To stop Gods blessing from coming to His children, they want to make them stop whatsoever that brought them into that blessing.

Never in the history of the church has the church of God had such prosperity as it is now. This is because, they have discovered the blue print of heaven open window. I see an uprising trying to reverse history and put the church in bondage again. Some of these people are doing this in ignorance while some knowingly.

3 ENVY

Many will not easily recgnise this a the reason for preaching against tithing, but it is. What those speaking against tithing, there are envious of big churches. They will tell you, what are they using all those tithe and offering being generated in the church for? Why are the churches not paying tax? They build schools/hospital with poor peoples money from tithe for the rich? and so on and so forth.

Act 13:45, "but when the jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming."

What caused the envy above? the prosperity of the church of God and its happening again right now. Some will tell you there are christian, but know better now. Philippians 1:15, "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife;and some also of good will:" not every preacher is a true preacher. Neither is anyone with the title pastor a true pastor of the gospel of God.

For those who stand with God, they shall see the salvation of God when he has turned this envy against his church against these people while making Himself known to his people whose stood by Him (Ezekiel 35:11).

4. HATRED

The church is too careless. The people are taking their simplicity for a ride. Proverb 14:15, "The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going." Proverb 22:3. I have always advocate that every christian be a student of the word of God to avoid being deceived (Psaml 119:130).

The world/devil hate the church and he will do anything to bring her down. even if it means becoming a pastor to achieve this the devil will do it.

We should always look at the big picture.

What is the reason for this?

sorry that is not right and that is what the pentecost/charimatic pastors preach but it will only enrich themself and many followers will lose all because christians should give and since when it is only money it could also be time but this is not what the pastor want because it will not fill his pockets,
since when God is a money printing machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oXhYVm2MW8

That could only happen in america, I never see this in main europa but I know this could also happen in nIgeria

vooks:
I would appreciate if you pasted your sources because am still reeling in shock over the depths of Satan some have descended

that is the information

https://www.nairaland.com/590571/sow-1000-into-leroy-thompsons

that is the orginal from where it comes and I know it is tru that is not a fake.

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?t=262122

Jesus He Knows Me Lyrics

Do you see the face on the TV screen
Coming at you every sunday
See that face on the billboard
Well, that man is me

On the cover of the magazine
There's no question why I'm smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You buy a piece of me

I'll get you everything you wanted
I'll get you everything you need
Don't need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me

Cause Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I'm right
And he's been telling me
Everything is alright

I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she don't know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night

Do you believe in God
Cos that is what I'm selling
And if you wanna get to heaven
I'll see you right

You won't even have to leave your house
Or get out of your chair
You don't even have to touch that dial
Cause I'm everywhere

Cause Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I'm right
And he's been telling me
Everything gonna alright

Won't find me practicing what I'm preaching
Won't find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don't do as I do

I'm counting my blessings
Cos I've found true happiness
Cos I'm getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away

There'll be no doubt in your mind
You'll believe everything I'm saying
If wanna get closer to him
Get on your knees and start praying

Cause Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I'm right
And he's been telling me
Everything is alright

The song is a satire of televangelism, released in a period when several televangelists such as Robert Tilton, Jim Bakker, Larry Lea and Benny Hinn were under investigation for promising financial success to their listeners, provided they sent money to them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw

with all her money she live in a prision and I don't want to change with her Gold and money is not all, what you see on her face is that she is not happy.

I believe if every Christian would be faithful in tithing and giving, there would be more than enough funds for the Church to carry out its mission in the world. Researchers have found that amazingly few born-again Americans tithe regularly, and a surprisingly large number give nothing! Imagine what could be accomplished if all Christians were faithful in their tithing and giving!

What you write is not tru did you know how many followers of this new churches belong to the group of people who didnot have the money that they could pay for their health care.

Did you know that a middle class american pay more tax than the rich americans.

I read from a woman she live on help from the Goverment in America and that she could give her 10% tithing she has to make quilts andthat with an ages of 78 and the pastors of her church know this but takes this samal money and he drives a big car he should help this woman not take the small money from her.

The moste oft the people who belong to this movement belong to the group of americans with the lowest income.

Nigerians are very good when it comes tp prayer and fasting.

Adeboye told his followers to fast for 100 days this hear and did you see that nigeria become a better country.

The people should learn that God want that they should learn to help themself and not hopping that God will change nigeria.


Since this new churches become so big the corruption is rising because all what this so called man of God preach is money money money and what they forget is one word and that is love, a heart of stone can never feel love.

Sometimes I have the feeling that many nigerians didnot pry to God they pray to the angel of the light because this angel looks like he is God and he love money.

omakay:
But R.C.C.G needs to take care of the children it already has before thinking of giving birth to more.

My elder cousin who is a bassist in Winners Chapel says that when a new church is being planted, it is planted with standard. All equipment and materials are placed on ground. I cannot say the same for R.C.C.G. A new parish is structurally and financially empty as at it's time of inception and such parish has to struggle from scratch to become fully functional.

If the parish pastor is not financially buoyant to bear the burden, he then passes the burden to the members.


N.B: Must R.C.C.G plant churches everywhere? What happened to other ministries? Are they preaching the wrong gospel?


The church is using this loop hole to enrich itself and the most burden falls on the many scrap parishes hanging around town.

All of this churches are pentecost so they preach all the same so why there must bbe from every church if it is the RCCg odr the winner odr the dipper life a church in one street.
when they go this way that nigeria will have more churches than working places,
Is it to much when a follower has to go 20 minutes to the next church, when i was a child i walk about 30 minutes to my church and that is okay so why so much.
People need places for work or did the pastors forget that people need a work that they can feed the the many pastors and that they can have the money for the luxury lifestile of the head and the family of the church owner.

I see that it is a business because why must a church send so much to the headchurch for what that he can buy the next jet.

Bunsky:
Those couples must have been looking for the fruit of the womb for so long.

Fertility drugs and science at work.congrat

I know this but it is also the doctor in my country when they make it they will give only two eggs back not more and keep the other but in other countries they give all eggs back and that is the problem.

It has to do with the ethik of the doctors.

Sorry when I see this video this schould be a pastor. Kenneth E Hagin St Louis 1997 - Holy Ghost - Laughter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL8VCbxWs3k

omakay:
RCCG should stop planting parishes anyhow. They should update their financial cycle system to match the 21st century. How on earth can a parish submit more than 50% of it's revenue to the head-parish above. What do the Senior Pastors expect these parishes to fend on. At the end, the parish pastor will have to inconvenience his personal savings and family just to save face.

THIS IS JUST SOOOOOOO WRONG.

BTW: Why open so many parishes that turn out to be substandard.

CHRISTIANITY SHOULD HAVE STANDARDS OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

When the head of the church must have his private jet and for one year it is 600 000 USD and Ifeel with this money they could build some churches but I feel that it is wrong to make every 5 minutes walk a RCCG church and I feel the other problem is the lifestyle and that he has lost how most of the nigerians live.

Lobeez:
Glad we still have folks like Donnie Swaggart: "Tell them Bro"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDgl2ySSj04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5N7SAL5_k

You know who his father is read this he is not better

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw

Genesis write this very popular song about his father

shdemidemi:
What! What!! What!!!

Eleyi gidi gan! Our naija false teachers have not become this bold. They only insinuate this sort of rubbish, dem no get the liver to go this far yet.

Dr Firemann is also good you will find a very nice documentation about him on youtube he is in the same level.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qp_4oRCp9I

royalblood21:
WHEN CHRISTIANS SAY "DON'T JUDGE".
When a Pastor converted 2-storey building to 6-storey without following due process and his building collapsed to kill 115 people, you'll say "Don't Judge"

When a Pastor's Jet is nabbed while trying to purchase dangerous weapons from a black market,you'll say "don't judge"

When a Pastor's wife file a divorce on the basis of Adultery of her Husband you'll say "don't judge"

When a Pastor rakes in money from poor members to build University for the children of the rich, you'll say "don't judge"

When a Pastor dies and 3 women show up at the funeral with children out of wedlock, u still must not judge

When a Pastor dies and 27 Ogboni cultist surface in the church to claim his corpse, you will say "don't judge".

When a Pastor divorces twice and another female member of his congregation claims She has had many abortions for him, you will again say "don't judge".

When a "Man of God" is banned from entering UK due to proven allegations of extortions of members abroad, you will say "don't judge".

When a Man embezzles millions and EFCC nab him and He confessed He donated some millions from the fraud to his Pastor and the Pastor said the money cannot be refunded because it has been given to "God", you then say"don't judge".

When a female member and a co-traveller with a pastor said her pastor had carnal knowledge of her in an hotel room in UK while they went for a trip, she also provided the recorded voice of the Pastor begging for sex and saying his own wife is not good sexually at home, You then say "don't judge"

When a Pastor shot his own father dead for abusing him and He smuggled his dead body to bury in a shallow grave in the nearest bush, when He was caught by the police, He led them to the grave and you will ill again say "Don't judge".

I can be judged abi ?, at least I'm not a "man of God" and I've written this about "men of God,go on and judge me !!! OYA JUDGE me!!!

That is theproblem in nigeria that the pastors are holy cows andthat they can makewhat they want.

What is with the tafraud from Adeboye it isforgotten.

who say that isis a real man of God,for me he is a God of Man.

I read facebook that he writes some days ago. "My father in heaven told me that you will be debit free"

"My father in heaven" since when is God only the father of Adeboye sorry that is heresy and that means he has his own God and it is not the God a real christian belief.

BabaGnoni:
^^^
@nora544,
You probably now have a posting ban apart from having your post hidden up there
- what was the contents of the post

@vooks
Yeah, I know about him in Preachers of LA, I just was wondering whether anyone else knew he was related to Grace Jones

@ pickabeau1
You're to grin and bear it, not to have some questions

I wanted to post about the history of MIDAS TOUCH, that is comes from greece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midas

Myths

Once, as Ovid relates in Metamorphoses XI[14] Dionysus found his old schoolmaster and foster father, the satyr Silenus, missing.[15]

The old satyr Silenus had been drinking wine and had wandered away drunk, later to be found by some Phrygian peasants, who carried him to their king, Midas (alternatively, he passed out in Midas' rose garden). Midas recognized him and treated him hospitably, entertaining him for ten days and nights with politeness, while Silenus delighted Midas and his friends with stories and songs.[16]

On the eleventh day, he brought Silenus back to Dionysus in Lydia. Dionysus offered Midas his choice of whatever reward he wished for. Midas asked that whatever he might touch should be changed into gold.

Midas rejoiced in his new power, which he hastened to put to the test. He touched an oak twig and a stone; both turned to gold. Overjoyed, as soon as he got home, he ordered the servants to set a feast on the table. "So Midas, king of Lydia, swelled at first with pride when he found he could transform everything he touched to gold; but when he beheld his food grow rigid and his drink harden into golden ice then he understood that this gift was a bane and in his loathing for gold, cursed his prayer" (Claudian, In Rufinem). In a version told by Nathaniel Hawthorne in A Wonder-Book for Girls and Boys (1852), Midas found that when he touched his daughter, she turned to gold as well.

Now, Midas hated the gift he had coveted. He prayed to Dionysus, begging to be delivered from starvation. Dionysus heard his prayer, and consented; telling Midas to wash in the river Pactolus. Then, what ever he put into the water would be reversed of the touch.

Midas did so, and when he touched the waters, the power flowed into the river, and the river sands turned into gold. This explained why the river Pactolus was so rich in gold, and the wealth of the dynasty claiming Midas as its forefather no doubt the impetus for this aetiological myth. Gold was perhaps not the only metallic source of Midas' riches: "King Midas, a Phrygian, son of Cybele, first discovered black and white lead".[17]

Midas, now hating wealth and splendor, moved to the country and became a worshipper of Pan, the god of the fields and satyr.[18] Roman mythographers[19] asserted that his tutor in music was Orpheus.

Once, Pan had the audacity to compare his music with that of Apollo, and challenged Apollo, the god of the lyre, to a trial of skill (also see Marsyas). Tmolus, the mountain-god, was chosen as umpire. Pan blew on his pipes and, with his rustic melody, gave great satisfaction to himself and his faithful follower, Midas, who happened to be present.

Then, Apollo struck the strings of his lyre. Tmolus at once awarded the victory to Apollo, and all but one agreed with the judgment. Midas dissented, and questioned the justice of the award.

Apollo would not suffer such a depraved pair of ears any longer, and said,"Must have ears of an ass!" and caused them to become the ears of a donkey.[20] The myth is illustrated by two paintings, "Apollo and Marsyas" by Palma il Giovane (1544–1628), one depicting the scene before, and one after, the punishment.

Midas was mortified at this mishap. He attempted to hide his misfortune under an ample turban or headdress, but his barber of course knew the secret, so was told not to mention it. However, the barber could not keep the secret; he went out into the meadow, dug a hole in the ground, whispered the story into it, then covered the hole up. A thick bed of reeds later sprang up in the meadow, and began whispering the story, saying "King Midas has an ass' ears".[21]

Sarah Morris demonstrated (Morris 2004) that donkeys' ears were a Bronze Age royal attribute, borne by King Tarkasnawa (Greek Tarkondemos) of Mira, on a seal inscribed in both Hittite cuneiform and Luwian hieroglyphs: in this connection, the myth would appear for Greeks, to justify the exotic attribute.

In pre-Islamic legend of Central Asia, the king of the Ossounes of the Yenisei basin had donkey's ears. He would hide them, and order each of his barbers murdered to hide his secret. The last barber among his people was counselled to whisper the heavy secret into a well after sundown, but he didn't cover the well afterwards. The well water rose and flooded the kingdom, creating the waters of Lake Issyk-Kul.

I never saw such a preaching in my country, that has nothing to do with a real christian, that is a comedy club not a church, but this pastors is good how he take the money out of his brainwashed folloers.

I feel that nigerian pastors at the same level.

JESUS WAS RICH

The following are some of the reasons people believe Jesus was rich:

The wise men from the East made Jesus wealthy at his birth: The Rev. Creflo Dollar, senior pastor of World Changers Church International in College Park, says the Gospel of Matthew proves that Jesus was the recipient of wealth at his birth.

“In the book of Matthew in Chapter 2, the kings came to him, and they bought him gold, frankincense and myrrh.”

Jesus had so much money that he needed a treasurer: The New Testament describes Judas as the “treasurer” for Jesus’ disciples. “Why would a band of 12 men need a treasurer if they didn’t have some treasures,” says Bishop Johnathan Alvarado of Total Grace Christian Center in Decatur. “You need a treasurer when you have surplus.”

Jesus wore expensive clothes: In the 19th chapter of John’s Gospel, the Roman soldiers who crucified Jesus are depicted gambling for his “seamless” undergarment. Alvarado says Jesus wore garments that were a “nobleman’s garments.” “If his clothes were a poor man’s clothes, why would centurions gamble for it?” Alvarado asks.

In a sermon titled “Jesus Was Not Poor,” published on the Web page of Harvest Church, it is written:

I call your attention to Mark 14:3-7. Jesus is dining in the home of Simon the leper in Bethany when a woman came with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume of pure spikenard and broke the vial and poured the contents over His head. There were some that were indignant and said, “Why has this perfume been wasted? For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred pence, and the money given to the poor”. Jesus said, “Let her alone; why do you bother her? She has done a good deed to me. For the poor you always have with you , and whenever you wish, you can do them good: but you do not always have Me.” Jesus did not count Himself among the poor because Jesus was not poor! He was not necessarily wealthy (in natural terms) but Jesus Was Not Poor! — The Disciples Were Not Poor!

JESUS WAS POOR

The following are some of the reasons people believe Jesus was poor:

Roman soldiers gambled for the clothes of many condemned criminals.
“It was ordinary for prisoners to be stripped naked and looted by soldiers,” says Sondra Ely Wheeler, an ethicist at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., and author of “Wealth as Peril and Obligation: The New Testament on Possessions” (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, $20). Wheeler says the soldiers also were gambling for the robe Herod placed on Jesus to mock him. “I’m sure that was expensive — he got it from Herod.

The text doesn’t say that Judas was a treasurer, only that he held the common purse: Neither the King James nor the New International Version of the Bible calls Judas the “treasurer.” The NIV calls him the “keeper of the money bag,” and the King James says he “had the bag.” Scholars say he held the money not for Jesus but for all the disciples, a common custom of the time for itinerant preachers. “To call Judas a treasurer is like looking at two kids who go to the movies and calling the one who holds the money the treasurer,” Wheeler says.

Jesus did not have a lucrative occupation: Crossan says the Greek word in Matthew for Jesus’ occupation has been translated into carpenter, but a more accurate translation would change the word to a laborer.

Jesus and his disciples were poor, according to archaeological evidence: Eric Meyers, a professor of archaeology at Duke University and editor of the Oxford Encyclopedia of Archaeology in the Near East, says he has personally excavated the village of Nazareth where Jesus lived. He pointed out that the Bible says Jesus was so poor that he couldn’t afford his own tomb for his burial. “There is no way to speak of wealth in that context,” he says. “This is living at the margins of society, eking out an agricultural existence.”

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