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TITHING—HIGHWAY ROBBERY OF THE 21st CENTURY

The Church conception of the tithe is totally unbiblical. Just how much do people or their ministers know about God’s teachings on tithing?

Let us look at what the Lord says about tithes:

It was the ministers - the Levitic priests - that God blamed for defrauding Him, not the tithe payers themselves.

Malachi 3:7-9 “Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them…..But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are curse with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.” KJV

Contrary to popular misconception, the Scriptures do not show Abraham tithed on a regular basis from his personal property or livestock. He gave one tithe only, there is no evidence that he ever tithed again.

Genesis14:17-20 “And the King of Sodom went out to meet him…And Melchizedek….was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God…And blessed be the most high God…And he gave him tithes of all.” KJV

Abram gave not wheat, corn, wine or cattle from his own possessions, but rather booty taken from conquered nations. Abram, later Abraham, never tithed on a regular basis on his own personal possessions.

God did not tell Jacob that if he tithed, He would bless him, but rather Jacob told God that if He blessed him first, Jacob would give God a tithe. The way Jacob tithed, chances are high that no ministers will even quote the next verse, yet preach a sermon on it:

Genesis 28:20-22 “And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on…then shall the Lord be my God…and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.” KJV

This really contradicts 99% of all sermons I heard on tithing. This is the very first verse of the Bible that gives an account of someone giving 1/10 or tithe of his personal belongings. God honoured Jacob’s proposition and furthermore God continued to honour this same principle of tithing all through Israel’s history. This example proves that God does not expect a tithe until He blessed the tithe payer first.

How did Jacob tithe to God?

Deuteronomy12:6-7 “And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: And there ye shall eat before the Lord your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your household, wherein the Lord thy God hath blessed thee.” KJV
Leviticus 27:30-32 “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord…….And concerning the tithe of the herd, or the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.” KJV

Verse 32 exposes another lie of modern preachers. It was not the first tenth, but rather the tenth tenth that belonged to the Lord; contrary to every minister I have heard who insists that the first tenth always belongs to the Lord. Unscriptural, untrue.

The tithes were given to the Levitic Priest.

Numbers 18:24-28 “But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord, I have given to the Levites to inherit…And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it to the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe…..Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord’s heave offering to Aaron the priest.” KJV

Only the Levitic priests could collect tithes at the temple, therefore everyone collecting a tithe today is a CHARLATAN and a FAKE. If one cannot trace back his genealogy generation by generation with any lapses to the family of Aaron, he is not and cannot be a priest authorised by God to collect tithes. All the Bible scholars know that when the temple ceased, the priesthood officiating at the temple ceased.

Jesus Christ did not support His ministry through tithes, He told His apostles NOT to take money from any source when He sent them to preach the Gospel.

Matthew 10: 8-9 “…freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,” KJV
Mark 6:8 “And (Jesus) commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:” KJV
Luke 9: 3 “And He (Jesus) said unto them. Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money, neither have two coats apiece.” KJV

Only Levites could collect tithes. Christian pastors are not “Priests of Levi”. They can accept freewill offerings, they dare not collect tithes, it is a sin for anyone to exact “tithe money” from anyone.

If a poor farmer in ancient Israel did not have an increase in his harvest, he was not required to pay a tithe at all.

Paul the apostle laboured with his own hands for substance, yet he never taught on tithing.
The priests—Levites—were not to live a life of worldly splendour above even the king. The tithe consisted of things like wheat, corn and oil, not huge sums of money.
That the first tenth belongs to the Lord is NOT a scriptural statement or principle. God does not require the first tenth, but the tenth tenth.
In the history of the world, God almighty has never authorized any man or organisation for any religious purposes, to collect ten percent of another man wages,

How then, under the New Covenant, does a believer give a tenth when he is supposed to give his all?
Romans 6:13 “…yield yourselves unto God,…and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.” KJV

To a priesthood that does not exist, but now he himself is part of priesthood.
1 Peter 2:9 “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of the darkness into His marvellous light.” KJV

At a temple that does not exist:
Matthew 24:1-2 “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” KJV

Read all the 13 books Paul wrote to the Gentiles and find one verse where he instructed Gentiles to pay one cent of tithe money to anyone.

The teaching on the tithe is totally unscriptural, and even IF Christians were to tithe again, time and time again God told Israel they were to tithe on their increase from their abundance, not on the decrease of their lack.
Notice in Deuteronomy 14:22-29 that they were to tithe on the increase of the fields, and when because the place where God chose for them to eat their tithe was too far, they could sell their produce and carry that money to the place God chose and then buy for them anything they desired.

Israel never tithed from their poverty, but on their increase.

Contrary to all the deceiving Schambach, Hinn, Murdoch in the world, God never intended for people to tithe on what they did not have—their credit card.
Paul declares in 2 Corinthians 8:12 “For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.” KJV

Most of our present preachers shamelessly hawk and huckster their religious doctrines, trinkets, and wares over the pulpit and the airwaves like peddlers in the name of God.
2 Corinthians 2:17 “For we are not as so many, peddling the word of God…” NKJV

The word “peddling” comes from the Greek word kapeleuo which means: To sell at retail with the insinuation of improper profit, either by overcharging or adulterating. Notice that Paul speaks about the majority.

Malachi 3:8-9 “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse, for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.” KJV
Is God telling us in these Scriptures that the 21st century Christians are robbing God by not giving 10% of their salaries, their hard earned money to these charlatans?
Is this the interpretation of this Scriptures? Surely Not.

Did you know that besides the Ten Commandments, there are 600 additional laws, precepts and commandments in the Scroll of the Law, the Old Covenant?
It is amazing that out of these 600+ laws modern preachers latch to only one of them. Let us see what God has to say to those ministers of the Gospel.
Malachi 1:6 “….O priests (tithe collecting ministers of the Gospel) that despise my name.” KJV

In the New Testament, when Christ discusses the topic of tithing, He does not mention the word money and it is with the words:
“Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint, and anise, and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not the leave the other undone .” Matthew 23:23 KJV.

Historically and presently it is always the priests, the ministers, the shepherds who led God’s people astray.

Christ put little emphasis on tithing; He was more interested in spiritual things. Christ teaches us that we would fare better following the tribute collector who did not tithe. After all did he not return to his home “justified” (v.14)?
“The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the Publican standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying , God be merciful to me a sinner.” Luke 18:11-13 KJV

rattlesnake: 1. KEFEE Died
2. Oyakhilome Divorce
3. COZA pastor accused
4. TB Joshua hostel collapsed
5. Oritejafor "JET" impounded for alleged money laundering.
6. NL Atheists laughing at us all.
...Brothers and Sisters
pray ! pray!! pray!!!

Pray to God through Jesus Christ please dont pray through mary or any saint or any disciple PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD...Amen

all are Pentecost Pastors, so why we should pry for this fake pastors, this thiefs!

An Ex-Pentecostal Healer(pastor) Explains The Tricks Used to make people think they are healed

The Tactics Of Fake Pentecostal Faith Healers: This is an interview on Way of The master Radio with Todd Friel interviewing an ex faith healer, Mark Haville, who, after reading the Bible, realized the unbiblical nature of it. He explains the tricks used to make people think they are healed and how they make people fall over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCohlCPSLlo

Xfactoria: "Our problem most of the time is priority; an average Nigerian can spend N1m on burial but to spend N200,000 on education (is a problem), because of wrong priority. On a yearly basis, we have N1.5trn that Nigerians spend to overseas universities, so people thrive on it. Nigerians spend N463bn a month on recharge cards, how much are they paying for schools fees? So it’s all a matter of priority. This is the largest market for telephone in the world. Now, to pay N500,000, some people have only one son, they have huge business and houses all over the places, they will never pay it.”

So disappointing to hear a respected man of God utter this myopic statement!

Who are the average Nigerians that are worth more than N1m? Or have the means to mobilize N1m for whatever purpose?

Lets even exaggerate and say there are 100,000 people in every state and the FCT who are worth more than N1m, that makes the total of millionaires in Nigeria equal 3,700,000. Nigeria's population is conservatively 150 million, which makes 3,700,000 equal 0.25% of the population who are millionaires.

So when did 0.25% of a population become the average population? A man like Oyedepo opened his mouth "gadagba" and say an average Nigerian cannot pay school fees of N200,000 because they can't get their priority right? So these 0.25% now represents the average Nigerian?Can someone pls show the man of God some mind boggling statistics of poverty in Nigeria? Does he even know than more than 60% of the people live in abject poverty? Obviously the man of God has a warped view of the economic situations of Nigerians. No wonder the guy was buying jets here and there! Does he know how many businesses would have sprung up if their promoters can just mobilize as "little" as N1m and put into the business?

Well, that is what happens when people get too rich and comfortable. They forget quickly how hard it is for people down there. I remember how the son of a Senator could not believe I maintained myself with N3,500 per month while in the university (in 2004/2005) because he gets N10,000 per week and it was hardly enough for him.

He said education is not cheap. Yes, we agree but that statement is tale my moonlight and in fact bull-shit! When the missionaries that brought christianity to Nigeria brought free education and community health services with it as evangelical tools, was it cheap then? Those missionaries did not buy aeroplanes, cars, bicycles, chariots, horses and all but funded all their philanthropism from tithes and offerings from their parent churches in the West. If christianity cannot be for charity as christ commanded, it is then a business. Pastor Oyedepo is in church business.

You are so right.

All this rich Pastors have lost the feeling that a normal nigerian didnot has the money to send their kids to the privat University.

I read in an newspaper last year that mumy adeboye speak about that the people didnot give so much tithe the last year and that they need it for the spreading the gospel.

xp17: there are things you don't don't do based on your position and circumstances involved. here is a recent example:
former Virginia state governor , bob McDonald and his wife just recently got convicted, for collection of about $170 (cash and gifts) from a business man in the state whilst they were governor and first lady respectively. to em, It was just a some kinds of gift , but before the eyes of the law, it was exchange to gain some political favors that ll promote the man's business. they are to spend about 7years or so in prison just for that.

only in Nigeria you see alinko dangote single handedly openly sponsoring an election, and you guys tend it to be benevolence.

I listened to the conversations carefully. n it, they were all rejoicing with him, like someone who just got married. weren't they supposed to be sobbing whilst in the meeting? and while #50 for fuel? aren't they paid to do their jobs? how many American or British journalists would collect money or gift whilst on duty or writing scripts for whom they are to interview on what to say?
one word, junk journalism!


Nigeria on the blink

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Elxandre: You talk about your country way too much ma'am.
I thought you are Nigerian?

I have good friends who are nigerian.

Boss13: Please can we for once leave out religion and look at the circumstances of the case. People are dead, foreigners not just locals (because I know we don't have regards for human lives here) as a result of negligence and greed. A building was extended without permit, proper cautions were not in place. Whoever was responsible ought to be discussing with law enforcement officers. We keeps attracting shame to this country. Again, churches need to be regulated and their activities reviewed. Our leaders should sit up and do something, why are they so selfish?

That is with the goverment they belief what the fake pastors told them

Also Pastor christ speaks that he is a man of God and no one shoud speak against him.

Touch not my anointed spiritual abuse

From time immemorial the “priestly class” ha s attempted to exploit the fears of others by suggesting that they are specially chosen (o r “anointed”) by God as authorities. We see evidence of this throughout history – be ginning with ancient Bavel (Babylon) and permutating throughout the plethora of major world religions extant today In Protestant Christianity, and in particular in the so-called “charismatic movement,” there is often a lack of well-defined hierarc hy (i.e., a “priestly class”), but the mantra “touch not my anointed” is sometimes quoted by self- styled leaders as a means of maintain ing control over the members of the assembly. In other words, this phrase is interpreted (by them) as “I am not to be criticized, since I am one of God’s anointed ones!” But does the Scripture actually imply this, or is this a case of abusing the plain meaning of the Word of God in order to manipulate others?

Touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm! (1 Chron 16:22)

First of all this phrase is actually a verse from a shirah (song) of Asaph embedded into the account of the return of the Aron Kodesh (ark) to the ohel (tent) as given in Divrei Hayamim


(Chronicles). We need to begin with that as an unde rstanding of the type of literature we are reading. Compare Psalm 105:15.
Secondly, the passage in question refers not to prophets of the LORD in the New Covenant sense, but to the original patriarchs - and is most likely a direct reference to when Avimelekh (Abimelech) was rebuked by the LORD in a dream not to touch Sarah (see Genesis 20:2-ff).

Third, quoting this verse as a means of jus tifying any sort of special entitlement for oneself (or others) entirely misses the point of the Mashiach Yeshua’s teachings about “servant leadership”:

Whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. (Mark 10:44)

Do you want a “title”? How about servant? The servant of the LORD is to be humble, willing to bear up the flock of the LORD with tenderness and compassion. He (or she) is not to be "as the Gentiles" who seize power in order to "lord it over" others:

The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordsh ip over them, and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you. Rather, let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves. (Luke 22:25-6)

For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted (Luke 14:11)

Of course there may be cases where a pastor or teacher needs to exercise their God-given role as an authority, though this is normally in response to those who have persistently acted contrary to sound doctrine and who seek to incite rebellion in others. The Apostle Paul provides guidelines for such discipline in some of his letters. But whenever someone claims that they are "anointed" and should not be questioned, the red flags should start waving and you should be on your spiritual guard

Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show
his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish
ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. (James 3:13-18)

Vikky014: dnt u beleiv in penticost?

Why in a country where 50% could only eat two time a day you will finde the richest pastors in the world-

many pentecost and charismatik pastors preach a heresy gospel because you will never read in the bible that one should sell the gospel and sell miraclles and sell healing that is not what jesus preach.

There is a book where you can read that this is a fake gospel.

adora4u1: [b]"Brown envelope" is very common in Nigeria journalism! This can be interpreted as "bribe" or "goodwill" depending on the story, personality involved and organisation involved. Most organisations give "brown envelope" to their Press Corps at the end of every year. That is interpreted as a "thank you" for being committed and dedicated.

I've listened to audio of T.B Joshua and the journalists and I can say the following:

1. The money given was intended from the beginning to make the journalists write if not a favourable report (given the situatiion under discussion) but at least not a damaging one of the collapsed building and of T.B. Joshua.

2. T.B. Joshua cleverly did not come outright to say "don't write about the dead". He asked why the journalists couldn't write about the survivors.

3. The journalists were trying to force T.B. Joshua to make a statement they could use as a headline so as not to focus on the lives lost.

Let's call a spade a spade! That money was given to influence the reports of the journalists! That's BRIBE to me! That was why

1. It was given BEFORE the questions were to be asked and

2. The journalists did not ask him questions about the collapsed building like "Did he have a permit for it, did he use quality materials, was the building well supervised, etc?"

Shame on our so called "Men of God"![/b]

100000000000000000000000000000 likes you are so right in my country you will go to prission or you have to pay much for this.

tiarabubu: I find it distressing and disgusting that (i) T. B. Joshua seems to be more interested in the 'damage' this incident has done to his 'image' or what is left it (ii) He is clearly offering an inducement to the journalist, which is CLEARLY wrong, (iii) Some journalist are clearly grovelling at him asking silly suggestive questions as if to help him 'clean up' his image.

If only Nigeria were a sane county, SCOAN and TB Joshua will be scrambling to hire the best lawyers they can afford to help keep them from jail for obvious criminal negligence.
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SMH

The problen is that all this pentecost pastors have help from their followers in the goverment

what happen with the DEBOYE, REDEEM CHURCH LEADER IN N20 BILLION IMPORT WAIVER SCANDAL
https://www.nairaland.com/91292/adeboye-redeem-church-leader-n20

nothing so they can make what they want and that is also a big problem.

emmykk: giving and receiving money is not new to journalist.maybe something went wrong.

This is just an accident,no one should heap blame on the pastor.

That is the same with his building something went wrong so the people should keep quiet, because the death of 80 people is nothing because ony he has hard times.

Blakjewelry: no the truth is Nigerians fear pastors more than they fear God.

Pastors can makein nigeria what they want and they can work also against the law.

This man should keep his mouth.

Because he got his money from his poor followers and he build his University with the money of his poor followers.

arsetalks: Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm - I am patiently waiting for his brain washed to come and quote that line.

The brain washed know the bible more than the bible itself but they have been so brainwashed to believe that verse means a so called man of GOD can't be questioned.

They will, unless this post of mine scares them.

Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm that comes from the fake pentecost pastors!

read this:https://www.nairaland.com/1912360/touch-not-anointed-spiritual-abuse

Touch not my anointed

Removing a pretext for spiritual abuse

From time immemorial the “priestly class” ha s attempted to exploit the fears of others by suggesting that they are specially chosen (o r “anointed”) by God as authorities. We see evidence of this throughout history – be ginning with ancient Bavel (Babylon) and permutating throughout the plethora of major world religions extant today In Protestant Christianity, and in particular in the so-called “charismatic movement,” there is often a lack of well-defined hierarc hy (i.e., a “priestly class”), but the mantra “touch not my anointed” is sometimes quoted by self- styled leaders as a means of maintain ing control over the members of the assembly. In other words, this phrase is interpreted (by them) as “I am not to be criticized, since I am one of God’s anointed ones!” But does the Scripture actually imply this, or is this a case of abusing the plain meaning of the Word of God in order to manipulate others?

Touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm! (1 Chron 16:22)

First of all this phrase is actually a verse from a shirah (song) of Asaph embedded into the account of the return of the Aron Kodesh (ark) to the ohel (tent) as given in Divrei Hayamim


(Chronicles). We need to begin with that as an unde rstanding of the type of literature we are reading. Compare Psalm 105:15.
Secondly, the passage in question refers not to prophets of the LORD in the New Covenant sense, but to the original patriarchs - and is most likely a direct reference to when Avimelekh (Abimelech) was rebuked by the LORD in a dream not to touch Sarah (see Genesis 20:2-ff).

Third, quoting this verse as a means of jus tifying any sort of special entitlement for oneself (or others) entirely misses the point of the Mashiach Yeshua’s teachings about “servant leadership”:

Whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. (Mark 10:44)

Do you want a “title”? How about servant? The servant of the LORD is to be humble, willing to bear up the flock of the LORD with tenderness and compassion. He (or she) is not to be "as the Gentiles" who seize power in order to "lord it over" others:

The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordsh ip over them, and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you. Rather, let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves. (Luke 22:25-6)

For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted (Luke 14:11)

Of course there may be cases where a pastor or teacher needs to exercise their God-given role as an authority, though this is normally in response to those who have persistently acted contrary to sound doctrine and who seek to incite rebellion in others. The Apostle Paul provides guidelines for such discipline in some of his letters. But whenever someone claims that they are "anointed" and should not be questioned, the red flags should start waving and you should be on your spiritual guard

Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show
his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish
ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. (James 3:13-18)

aysometin: I have not said this to anyone here before for close to my 8 years of being a member but you are a big f.ool. So with evidence in your very face you can still talk rubbish. How can Nigeria progress? This young journalist has risked his life to bring us this information and you open your dirty mouth to make it appear like he has commited a crime. Who is the criminal here? Your guess is as good as mine. USE YOUR BRAIN.

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it is time that the people see and hear the truth about what happen in the pentecost churches in nigeria.

Scyllapatron: the sad truth in modern christianity is that bible doesn't really mean what it says anymore, it now always means what the reader thinks. that is why people give quotations and twist the explanation to suit their own ideology.

The pentecost pastors don't like this because it will not fill their pockets.

I learn since i was a child that when I learn God will help me, I learn that when I have no Job God will help me when he sees that I work on this.
The same is when you work hard God will help you.

That is why pentecostal christainity is a herensy gospel because they like to twist the gospel what is good to fill their pockets and make the pastors rich.

Ora et labora (latin) this means pray and work

I know since a long time and i wrote it last year that pentecostal christainity is a fake because all belongs to money and all what they want is to make more money and so they make mistakes and that is what happen now.

I write when this Bishop Oyedeop has problems to enter Uk that what will be the next.

Sorry when you see it from outside you know that the time for this fake pentecost pastors will get harder because all what they can do is to sell the gospel and they sell miracles and they sell the healing and the gospel is nothing what you can sell.

I know since along time that all this rich pentecost pastors are fake.

All this pastors belong all to the pentecost christianity and only this churches preaches a fake gospel because this churches sell the gospel and they sell miracles and all this miracles are fake.

This are no real christians.

Why only pentecost pastors or prophets see the future did you hear this from other churches.

livebullet: Last time i checked #hardtimes where not part of pentecostal christainity... so where is all dis admittance comin from now...is it that d potency of ochestrated miracles is declining or wah?...cool to hear a pentecostal pastor admit he too is human...i tot superhumans were all there was on the pulpits..hmm

When you search it is only that this pentecost pastors can make miracles but they make only fake miracles.

pentecostal christainity is selling the gospel and this means also selling miracels.

Why all the pentecost pastors are so rich, and why the richest pentecost pastors come from nigeria.

pentecostal christainity is a fake.

BERNIMOORE: You are on point! their reaction goes this way;

'A building and not the auditorium'..... trying very hard to change the story

Even part of the press were trying to play down the incident like the chibok girls saga as if it was a scam, they say that they have conflicting figures.

As at tuesday, when our own press(politically divided roforofo press) is still battling with between 8,17 or 29 dead, even saying that 'nobody is sure' and on TVC your view programme, someone challenged that who has seen any dead person on the site,and that people should desist from spreading rumour or wish bad for the scoan church and even threaten Gods annoyance on such person.
The hospital complain of Scoan not releasing the names of those who lodge in the church's guest house so as to determine those missing and dead,

Not until the president of south africa jacob zuma on tuesday gave a presidential speech and declared 67 south africans dead at a 'synagoge church in Nigeria, the next day wednesday the death toll hit 70, why? the cover-up conspiracy suffered a great blow when jacob zuma directed the Ambassador of s/africa in embassy to take stock of their citizens who actually came to nigeria for synagoge programme and it was reported to be around 300.

so ' the scoan defence of 'a building not auditorium' now was exposed and laid bare to a desperate attempt to cover up and play gamble with ones life,but project the church's image and the G.O.

Reluctantly Scoan release the names of those requested after pressure was mounting and after governor fashola visited the site of which resistance from scoan securities could not stop.

The cover up would have succeeded had it been that those dead were only nigerians, but international citizens with documented papers in their respective embassies were confirmed dead.

it is a shame, when prosperity replaced the Real gospel of our lord jesus christ, prosperity becloud followers of this churches that you will be flocking to ikotun parking their cars causing traffic just to buy a so called annoiting water for between 5k and above, they say it performs magic abi! but wait..did jesus not say ;many wonders will be done by using his name as a camouflage? but that he will deny them as workers of inniquity? did jesus not say that 'you cannot serve God and money(material riches) but rather jesus followers should be contented with what they can get in a honest way and be rich(in good deeds) so as to have treasures in heaven where thief cannot steal those riches

anyway this should be a lesson, unfortunately in a hard way,but it is obviously avoidable, and the fact that Scoan is still blaming 'an aircraft' that flew over hundreds of houses in ikotun and left for almost an hour before a so called house of God which should be the strongest collapsed, it a very weak defence and laughable, i think if joshua has advisers and lawyers this is the time to keep silence and stop ridiculing himself.

This is tru because I can still remember the first post on TB faceboot about the building that no one was death and after 6 days he came out with the truth but before he write that he has hard times sorry what a fake man of God.

I know this was not the last one who show his real face that all this rich jetflying and big car driving pastors are only business men wo sell the gospel, and that is not what you can read in the bible and that has nothing to do with a real christian.

The next churchbuilding collaps in Edo and also the follower of the pastors work against the people who want help.

Pentecost churches brought more harm to nigeria that they make good.

very good writing a Nigerian with a brain.

Lovechyld101: Hello please how do I find out the list of dead and injured people in the incident my friends aunt is S.A that was in the church is also missing.

Johannesburg - South Africans needing help finding relatives following the building collapse at the Synagogue Church of All Nations in Lagos, Nigeria, should contact charity Gift of the Givers, it said on Friday.

Following a radio interview early on Friday evening, founder Imtiaz Sooliman said he received calls from five people wanting to find missing relatives.

"People who called me asked if I could find their family members," Sooliman said.

"I asked for the name of the family member, their ID number and a picture of the family member. If there is anyone who seeks assistance in trying to contact family members in Lagos, they are more than welcome to contact me."

If Sooliman could not be reached over the phone, the information could be SMSed to him, with a picture, if possible. He can be contacted on 083 236 4029.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Nigeria-collapse-Gift-of-the-Givers-offers-help-20140920

What a fake story, the next one, so he want to become important, or the other pay him some money.

That has nothing to do with christian.

That is why many churches didnot respect the laws of nigeria most of the churches have their own law whe n it comes to build a churchbuilding.

No God is not angry.

That is a very good writing because also his followers will feel that when a pastor can do this than Ican do it also and I can break the laws in the country.

PastorKun: It's really a season of exposure, scandal and ridicule for charlatans masquerading as men of God in Nigeria, I wonder which charlatan is next to be scandalised

I could remember that i write who will be the next when I read about the problems from Oyedepo in UK.

What is with Adeboye and his money or is his money split to all his familymembers.

He want to make more money, every body from south africa who travel to his church have to pay for the trip about 1340 Euro or 19 000 Rand or 1730 USD.

So he wants to make the money that shows also his real face.

With 1730 Euro I can fly to the emirates and can stay in a luxury hotel for one week.
That is realy the same way for south africans to nigera to stay at his church for one week.

A total of 349 South Africans were in Lagos on matters connected to the church when the disaster occurred.

Of these, 265 were found alive. - Sapa

He knows that he has no documentsthat is why he is telling that the documents are in the collaps building.

LadyJul: Na wa o....so many haters of Tb Joshua...abeg you guys should leave the man alone o.....tb Joshua is not God so he doesn't have any power to stop things from happening...the only thing he can do as a mortal is to pray...and only God can decide if to answer or not(for reasons best known to him)....so you guys should stop asking silly questions like "why didn't the pastor stop the event from happening?"...like i said before Tb Joshua is bound to face trials like every other human being...besides who even gave you the right to criticize him? The man hasn't done anything wrong to you but you open your mouth to criticize him...chai...Nigerians eh...una too like to criticize person....walai if Jesus Christ came from Nigeria then am very certain we would have done worst than what those Jews did to him.....so haters keep your mouth shut and stop saying what you don't know #peace#

Oh yes he could build a better guesthous do you know that every person from south africa paid 1340 euro for one week. He wants more people there and that would bring more money why he cannot work together with hoteld close to his church, why not because he wants the money.

I hear it also today in the news in my country and what the goverment say about the building.

Sorry he keep silence until today that he say a word to the people that lose a love one theire and this is for a real christian no man of god that is a businessman.

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