₦airaland Forum

DennisEche:
I love your response bro, so atikulated, lols, The man Fodio and shekau are same class.. The hausas are the victims because they lost their identity,, reasons why the Fulanis are rulling them while they are serving them as slaves conquered... The hausas need to wake up

Hausas are gone and gone for good. Not just Hausas alone, Bauchi & Yobe tribes and even Nupes & Kanuris to an extension.

The fulanis have heavily intermarried and Intermixed with the Hausas and northern minorities muslims (especially the elite and middle-class).
So do you want Hausas to be liberated from their wives, husbands, cousins and inlaws (fulanis)?

The only people who deserve a different life and destiny are the 2-4 million Hausa Christians who are mostly in Kano, Katsina & Zaria and are living as 4th class citizens on their ancestral homelands..

These ones need to emigrate to join Plateau, Southern Kaduna & Gongola Christians with whom they can easily integrate with and we all pull out of this useless country called Nigeria.

sassysure:
Thank u!
Meet an Hausa scholar and he will tell you how fulanis used religion to brainwash them into allowing them to Lord over them as Allah representative in Nigeria.

By the time they knew it, everything was taken over by them and they were relegated to the villages to farm.
Not only farm but farm for the fulanis who has also taken over their lands.

The fulanis are the most educated in the north. So all govt openings naturally went to them.

In as much I hate politicians, I can see what ganduje is doing.
He isn't a fulani puppet like kwankwanso and if that man still stays in the corridor of power in the next 10 yrs, the hair as will fight those people.
He has systematically made Hausa people emirs irrespective of the story behind that.
That office is strictly fulani.
He is chasing their children out of the street.
Once they are educated, they can challenge the fulanis.
That's the only way

Fulanis have heavily intermarried and Intermixed with the Hausas (especially the elite and middle-class)... The Hausa elite and middle-class are the only ones who can save Hausa land, but will they be saving Hausa land from their wives and inlaws (fulanis)?

Abeg forget Hausa people or northern minorities muslims. The only ones you can pity for are the 2-4 million Hausa christians who are indingenes of Kano, Zaria & Katsina. ...These ones need to emigrate to join Plateau, Southern Kaduna & Gongola and we join the south to fight out of this useless country.

myobjective:
Dan Fodio never conquered the Yoruba, if you are in doubt pick a history book.

His followers conquered a part of Yoruba (Ilorin) through treachery and sacked Katunga (the old Oyo empire)... However, Yorubas defeated and repelled them at Osogbo.

Patrioticman007:
What of the English Empire that colonized and forced Christianity on Africans ?.

What of the Roman Empires that colonized the English & forced Christianity on the world after killing Jesus ?.

Stop telling stupid lies. The British never forced christianity on Africans. It was Western missionaries from America, Canada & Europe that came to evangelize Africans who accepted christianity on their own freewill.

If for anything, the British colonialists even promoted and supported Islam in Northern Nigeria using the indirect rule system of government.

myobjective:
I don't know why southerners with close to zero knowledge about core north demography always like to romanticize the Hausa and dehumanised the Fulani when both group are one and the same. An average Hausa from the north west will die protecting the interest of the Fulani. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing but that is how they want to live.

Thank you very much. I vehemently agree with this.
Hausas & Northern minorities muslims deserve no pity or sympathy cos they don't even want it. ... If they are comfortable and happy with the fulanis in their midst, no problem.

Only the Hausa Christians of Katsina, Zaria & Kano deserve any sympathy, but even they themselves have never come out to speak.

eagleu:
Your conclusion about Fodio leading citizens of Gobir to riot against their own king beats all reason and imagination.

Imagine an alien coming into sokoto today, and somehow convincing present day citizens to riot against the sultan.

First, you can see all sorts of logistical problems with that, and finally you should ask where was the king when all these were happening.

The truth was he killed the king, and somehow convinced some citizens that he was fighting for a purer form of islam, same way Buhari is locking up his opponent, because he is fighting corruption. Yet some citizens didn't accept Fodio for a long time, and those he simply murdered in the name of islam. Yumfa, the son of the sarkin Gobir was on of his victims.

Having accumulated power and resources, Fodio sent his cousin to Kano to replicate the same technique, and it worked, because he was a well educated strategist who understood how to confuse the masses with religious.

BTW, Alimi used the same technique in Illorin to subdue the greedy general working the northern borders of Oyo empire called Afonja. That's why Illorin has a Fulani emir today instead of an Oba.

Yes thank you for telling this truth outrightly to Blue3k2.
But you forgot to add that Mallam Dendo (a fulani offspring/follower) of Danfodio also did the same thing to the Nupes in Nupe land.

Danfodio and his Fulani army conquered Hausas, Ilorin and Nupes with exactly the same treachery technique. They come in peace as friends and the destroy the society and take over from within.

It is only Gombe, Jalingo (Muri) & Yola that fulanis conquered directly through war without treachery....
They however used treachery to maintain and expand it.

StaffofOrayan:
Oh I see, where is the prosperity and fairness dan fodio promised the dummies he conquered? I have tried finding it but all I see is poverty, disease and perpetual slavery,
Yes he really beat the Hausa's bad, infact so bad their children are shoemakers, mei suya, mei shayi, they have killed their way into being the spiritual head of muslims, another set of dummies who don't research.

Dan fodio is a typical fulani man, like Buhari, they would kill and maim to get to power, (using useful dummies like yourself) once they get power all they do is install themselves like a virus on a computer and destroy what they met, I call it the 'emir Trojan'

Nothing to celebrate, but of course Hitler is a bigass hero to some skinheads

Thank you very much. Blue3k2 seems to be the new mouthpiece of the Sokoto caliphate.

However, just like you said, I think Danfodio does not deserve to even be talked about cos it's a very big shame that many years later, the people whom he conquered to purify their islam and lead them are now the poorest, most illiterate and backward people in the world.

Danfodio destroyed the Hausa race and rendered them very backward and unproductive. Such a shame.

spendoon:
Am not here to insult the kaduna south people
because they are our brothers but i want you to know kaduna north local government belongs to the Hausa while kaduna south belongs to the others

Hausa fulanis are settlers in Kaduna city....No where in Kaduna city belongs to them. Metaphysical has told you the truth.

Hausa land stops at the boundary with Jaji to the north... The same way Hausa fulanis infiltrated Jos & Bauchi cities is the same way they infiltrated Kaduna city and crisis helped them to claim the northern part of the city.

LegendHero:
I never intended to talk before. But it will be a grave mistake on my own part if I would allow a nobody from Plateau to even dare compare to the Mighty Yoruba. '

I will list just a few of the companies and brands of the Yorubas as an entity. List those of Jos/Pleateau or the Middle belt that you can think of for comparison.

In all metrics of life, Human Development, Economy, Standard of Living, Poverty metrics, IGR, GDP, Industries, IT, FinTech, Start ups, Entertainment, Education, Exposure, Professors, Lawyers, Nobel Laureate, Grammy Awards, Forbes 30 under 30, Intellectual property, Religious Tolerance, Security etc. The Yorubas are not the mate for Plateau/North.

It is even low on my own part to dare try to draw comparison. Let me just mention a few

Multi-million/billion companies we own and products we make.

Tara fela durotoye-tara international
• Olatorera Oniru - Dressmeoutlet
• Honey Ogundeyi- Fashpa
• Bilikis Adebiyi Adebola- Wecyclers
• Deola Sagoe - Deola sagoe
• Folake Coker- Tiffany Amber
• Lisa Folawiyo- Jewel by Lisa
• Adenike ogunlesi- ruff ‘n’ tumble
• Kunmi otitoju- minku design (reffered to as africa's hermes)
• Modupe "dupsy" abiola-intern avenue (one of the most influential black businesswomen in britian in 2013) described as a "serial achiever"
• Femi otedola-zenon oil/atlas shipping agency/swift insurance/fo properties limited/fo transport/seaforce shipping company
• Folorunso alakija-famfa oil (wealthiest woman in nigeria,2nd wealthiest black woman on the planet)
• Kola karim-costain west africa/shoreline energy international
• Kola aluko-atlantic energy
• Dapo Abiodun- Hyden oil and gas
• Tope sonubi-sahara energy
• Obateru akinruntan-obat oil (the largest privately-owned oil depot and jetty in africa also the second richest king in africa)
• Jide omokore- enerry resources group spog petrochemicals, energy properties development limited,innovative haulage limited,expand marine,bay atlantic limited,restore engineering limited
• Wale tinubu- Oando oil africa’s largest energy company(askmen magazine top ten ceos in the world)
• Robert agbede-chester lng biggest black engineering firm in the u.s
• Funso lawal-sogenal group
• Oba Oguntayo- Fowobi petroleum
• Oba Shafi Sule- Leolas Water and Drink, Leolas Ozonised Table Water, Leolas Apple and Leolas Lime & Lemon
• Aderemi makanjuola-caverton offshore group (africa’s first integrated offshore support service provider)
• Mike adenuga-globacom
• Funke opeke-mainstreet technologies
• Ayodeji adewunmi/olalekan olude/opeyemi awoyemi -jobberman (africa’s largest job search site)
• Tunde kehinde-african courier express
• Tope folayan- mall for Africa
• Kunle obagun- onward papers
• Tejufoam- Tejusosho family
• Olorogun sunny kuku- eko hotel
• Lekan Mustapha- Grand Inn hotel and Suites
• Lekan Bello- FSCL Group
• Razaq okoya-eleganza group
• Adetokunbo ogundeyi-proforce limited
• Olakunle ekundayo- drugfield pharmaceuticals drugfield is the first nigerian and african company to manufacture newborn cord-care antiseptic gel, chlorhexidine digluconate 7.1, which prevents umbilical cord infections in newborn babies
• Bukky George- Healthplus phramacies (Biggest pharmacy retail chain in Nigeria).
• Joke Bakare- Medplus pharmacies (arguably the Biggest pharmacy retail chain in Nigeria)
• Jimoh ibrahim-nicon group/global fleet group air nigeria/nicon insurance/nigeria re-insurance corporation/nicon luxury hotel lagos/nigeria - holdings include investment companies, schools, real estate holdings, transport companies and others global fleet oil and gas, nicon hotels, global fleet industries energy bank - accra, ghana energy bank são tomé global media mirror limited
• Oba otudeko--honeywell group/radisson blu hotel
• Alex Onabanjo- Terra Energy Nigeria, Atco furniture, Rainbow FM
• Prince samuel adedoyin-doyin group of companies global soap & detergent industries limited, consolidated foods and beverages limited doyin pharmaceutical (nigeria) limited,doyin farms
• Jimoh oyedele ibrahim-piccadily insurance/unique aluminium products limited
• Bode akindele-fairgate group the group is worth over 1billion pounds( among company’s tenants are asda wallmart,continental holdings/ modamola group of companies/nigerian biscuits limited
• Chief samuel adegbite-oasis group
• Kase lukman lawal-camac holdings (2002 camac was named the largest african-american owned company on the black enterprise 100s list.)
• Chief michael ade ojo-elizade group (largest importer/seller of toyota vehicles in west africa), elizade university
• Buruji Kashamu- KASMAL Goup
• Tokunbo Oshin- ZIPEST
• Chief harry akande-Aic Nigeria
• Tunji owoeye-elephant group
• Adebola Adegunwa- Fototek, Essay holdings
• Oladimeji owofemi- multi-trex foods, nigeria’s first indigenous chocolate manufacturer
• Tunde folawiyo-yinka folawiyo group
• S.K Onofowokan- Coleman wires and Cables
• Gbolade Osibodu- Vigeo group
• Fikayo ogundipe -Tolet.com.ng
• Victor obasuyi-obasuyi holdings (a real estate venture with properties that boast more than 40 tenants in the city of waterloo alone)
• Otunba Gbenga daniel- KrestaLaurel (Lifts and Elevator company)
• F.O Arowolo- ARON Nigeria
• Sujimbomi ogundele- Sujimoto constructions
• Demola Odutola- Queensdrive estates
• Olu Okeowo aka Lagos Landlord- Gibraltar constructions
• Abiodun Onanuga- NUGACON constructions
• Tayo amusan – Persianas group (owners of palms shopping mall)
• Tajudeen adepetu-CMA Group (SoundcityTV, Soundcity FM, ONTV, ONMax, Televista Movies, Spice TV, Village Square, Trybe TV, Urban96, Access24)

• (http://www.goldmyne.tv/2016/04/incredible-tajuddeen-adepetu-creats-eight-thriving-television-channels-in-12-years/
• Ayo animashaun- Smooth promotions (owners of Headies, HIP tv and hip-hop world magazine)
• Tyler Sotubo- Tooxclusive
• Ademola ogundele- Notjustok (The most popular music download site in Nigeria)
• Makinde Azeez- Naijaloaded
• Otunba Sesan Rufai- Goldmyne Entertainment
• Dele momodu- ovation
• Seun Osewa –Nairaland
• Bankole Oluwafemi- BigCabal media (TechCabal-The largest technology site in West Africa.Radar the largest technology forum in Africa and Zikoko one of the fastest growing entertainment content brands in Africa)
• Punch
• TheNation
• Tribune
• Biodun Shobanjo- Troyka Holdings( Insight communications largest advertising agency in west africa by billings and revenue), Azzagai,Optimum Exposure,Media Perspective,MediaCom,The Quadrant Company and Halogen Security Laide Fowosere- Nucleus Ventures. Employs 21,000 people
• Bayo Abdul-Papermate
• Alhaji muri gbadeyinka-muhri international limited star fm
• Otunba subomi balogun-fcmb
• Tunde ayeni- Skye bank
• Fola adeola-Gtb
• Hassan odukale -Leadway assurance
• Dolapo Balogun- Equity insurance
• Akintola williams&co –first and largest accounting firm in nigeria
• Akin alabi-Nairabet nigeria's first online sports betting portal
• Kunle Soname- Bet9ja (Nigeria’s biggest sports betting website) first Nigerian to own a top European football club by buying Portuguese second division side, Clube Desportivo Feirense
• Chief kessignton Adebutu-premier lotto (baba ijebu) nigeria’s most popular lotto operator
• Abiola Olaniran- Gamsole
• Adewale Osinubi- Wesco pools and lottery
• Ladi delano-bakrie delano africa
• Tayo ayeni-skymit motors
• Kehinde kamson-Sweet sensation
• Folu ayeni-tantalizers
• Kayode odukoya-first nation airways
• Dele fajemirokun-chicken republic/aiico insurance/xerox nigeria/kings guards
• Olayinka adebayo-tasty fried chicken
• Wale babalakin-bi courtney/stabilini visinoni
• Helios investment partners- babatunde soyoye
• Bola akindele-courteville group
• Adebayo Ogunlesi- Chairman Global Infrastructure Partners,owners of Gatwick International Airport London
• Babawande Afolabi, Founder & CEO of Green Africa Airways (A Nigeria’s Lagos-based airline, has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for 50 A220-300 aircraft)
• Silas Adekunle, CEO of Reach Robotics

Check this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe/306

After checking the thread, Tell me the achievement of people in Plateau/MB/ anywhere either collectively as a tribe or as an individual.

I have been on nairaland for many years and I have seen you Yorubas and Igbos take years on multiple threads running in hundreds of pages to make these compilations of successful people in your midst... This is good.

My own people are not involved in this kind of competition of yours hence we have not worked on making a compilation of such.. But that does not mean they don't exist. They do, but of course it will not compare to that of you guys.

However, you did not get my point.
My point is that development of a people should be most reflective on the quality of their homeland and daily lives...and not a handful of entrepreneurs, many of whom thrive on Nigeria's corrupt, twisted and nepotistic system to create wealth.

You have listed a few dozen rich Yorubas, Many of them who made money through oil which does not belong to your people. Others have made money due to the large Nigerian market of which much of it is situated in Lagos.


My point is that if Nigeria divides today, a country of Yoruba people alone will look no better than a country of middlebelt people cos most of these entrepreneurs of yours will loose their access to a larger market (Lagos) and free crude oil money.... How many of these entrepreneurs of yours have businesses outside Nigeria?
Lagos will immediately crumble and will become like Ibadan if other Nigerians and oil money leaves .... What will then sustain Yoruba land? Cocoa or farming which you guys have already largely abandoned?

But you see, the things my people have are things that cannot be taken away from us.

For starters, my people have the lowest crime and criminality rates in Nigeria. I am currently in a middle-class neighbourhood in Jos and when I came here, I was shocked to see that there was no form of security here, many nice houses here do not even have fences! Just the way you see in the Western world...
In the middleclass neighbourhood I live in the south, we pay heavily for personal security.
We once mistakenly let the security go cos we didn't pay on time. Men, the kind of armed robbers that visited us that week was not a joke.

My people have the strongest culture of trust and we are law abiding. We trust each other with our lives. We are very honest.

There are millions of ritualists, scammers, Armed robbers and extortionists (Touts, Agberos, Owomidas, Omoniles) all over your region that make life hellish for people who live there...
Your society is so corrupt and destroyed that everyone is a thief and wants to fleece his neighbor... Sars are now shooting innocent civilians anyhow... Ever since I came to Jos, no idiot has ever stopped me to check my phone or harass me because I am dressed in a certain way, but in the south it is something else... Innocent people are being framed and extorted by your law enforcement agencies.

Your people are very corrupt by nature that it will take generations to reverse it... And don't think that if Nigeria divides all of it will go and your people will suddenly become better.

This is why if Nigeria is divided, thousands of you will end up queueing for visa into the Middlebelt country, just as you are all doing with countries like Ghana & Kenya.

Yes, some of you will say but the north has terrorism, killings e.t.c.... Yes, but 99% of these killings and terrorism are caused by Hausa fulanis and Kanuris and not middlebelt people. And when Nigeria divides, these Hausa fulanis will remain in their Core-north which will have a semblance of Somalia.

Those who call us troublesome, I have dared them to show me how many times indigenous tribes of the Middlebelt fight themselves... We have over 200 indigenous tribes, but only Tivs & Jukuns record conflicts with each other.

90% of the food you Yorubas consume is imported food being farmed by my people and the core-north. Where then will you guys start?
At least the Niger deltans can use their oil money to import food... Which money do you guys use to import food?

All your cities are filled with Rusty and dillapidated houses like abandoned war towns.

Lagos is all you people have and that Lagos will cease to exist once Nigeria divides.

This is why I told you that there are more Yorubas living among my people than vice versa and these Yorubas, many of them inspite of the recurring crisis still refuse to go back home...

This is simply because many of them cannot imagine going back to their homeland with all the criminals, ritualists and scammers let loose.... With very expensive food stuffs and insanely high cost of living without commensurate job opportunities.

Can you see why I said your people are not better than my people?

So my brother, better destroy this notion that a few rich individuals among your people makes them the best or higher than others.... That is a very foolish way of thinking.

Judge the progress of your people on
1) how self reliant you people are... How much of what we consume do we produce?
2) How civil and law abiding majority are the majority of my people?
3) How well planned, organized and beautiful is our homeland (cities)?

It is a good thing that your people have many successful entrepreneurs, but it is sad that many of these entrepreneurs made their money through the dubious Nigerian system, hence their creative ability cannot stand the test of other different governments. .... It is also a bad thing that this entrepreneural wealth is all concentrated in Lagos alone and not elsewhere in the hinterlands where many people live no different from people in Niger republic.

myobjective:
Most of the core northerners on this platform always like to mischievously mask their anxiety with the fact that northern minority will be subdued or forced to remain in the same country with them in the event that Nigeria disintegrates. What they fail to realise is that they have burned too many bridges to get the trust of these people

Any Hausa fulani that think they can easily subdue the over 30 million Christians of the north is just a very big mugu. How will it happen? We can never even agree to join them in one country.

Afrokan:
The north has marginalised the north central/middle belt tribes who have majority of the agricultural output in the north, there is no way the middle belt would chose to go with the core North if the choice of disintegration comes along.

Another huge problem facing the north is the fact that 70% of its population are impoverished stack illiterates. Where Do you think the bandits, the kidnappers, fulani heardmens, Bokoharam, iswap and ansaru get their members? The huge flock of illiterates and impoverished northerners fill their ranks.
The only buffer the north currently has from all this is the south, the money and manpower from the south is pampering the cracks in the north and when Nigeria divides, Can the north alone survive with this groups mentioned above? The answer is No.
You don't need to look far to know the future awaiting the north, Niger Republic is a prime example of what the north would become minus the educated population of Niger plus the Bokoharam, Kidnapers, bandits of the North.

The North is stuck between a rock and a hard place. One other problem the north faces is religion, Islam is not a progressive religion ( Before you mention Suadi or Dubai) understand that those people have an abundant of mineral resources, before the oil the Middle East was a desert filled wit illiterates. The north ended up with the wrong foreign religion thanks to the terrorism of Dan-fodio.

Either way, the North is caught between a rock and a hard place

Thank you very much. Most of the crop produces and fertile land in the north comes from Middlebelt and Northern minorities areas and there is no way we can join Hausa fulanis in one country.... That would be like a repitition of Sudan.

You made a very big mistake to say 70% of Hausa fulanis are impoverished illiterates... It is more like 85-90%!

Kano is the most educated and wealthy part of the core north and 70% of it's people are illiterates. Places like Sokoto, Zamfara & Katsina are 90% illiterate!

Core-northern Nigeria can never be as good as Niger republic because the elites of Niger republic are secular in nature and support secularism cos they were colonised by France under the direct rule system where they were exposed to French Western culture.
Niger republic has a secular constitution... Have u ever heard of Sharia law there or Islamic militant groups?

Haba, Core-northern Nigeria will be like Somalia.

LegendHero:
I won't stoop so low by comparing the Yorubas with the entire North/Plateau or anything you call it.

Where will I even start from?

You have nowhere to start from when you compare our land and your land...

If Nigeria divides today, your land and people are better than no one else except the Hausa -fulanis who your people worship and asslick.

gidgiddy:
Your problem is that you have not done a thorough research of the history of Nigeria. The massacre of Igbos has been an ongoing thing long before the Nzeogwu coup. In 1945, Igbos were massacred in Jos by Northerners for no just cause. They were again killed greater numbers in Kano in 1953. Nobody was brought to book for these killings. Going by your reasoning, should Igbos have gone on a killing spree of Northerners in the East for what some of them did to Igbos in the North. Igbos did not do that because they knew that it was not justified to go after people for what theur brethren did elsewhere. Despite the massacres, a Northerner called Umaru Altine was elected Mayor of Enugu.

Nzeogwu planned and executed his coup without the mandate of the Igbo nation. Army boss, General Ironsi took over and clamped the perpetrators in jail. While it is true that Ironsi did not court Marshall Nzeogwu and co, it should be remembered that Ironsi was in power for only 6 months. Despite killing Murtala Mohammed, it took 5 months to bring Dimka to book, it also took 5 months to bring Major Orkar to book. So what was this extraordinary thing about Ironsi's 6 months power that he didnt start the trial of Nzeogwu and co?

Only a complete fool will justify the genocide of unarmed civilians, men, women and children over the shenanigans of military leaders. Did the North really expect to carry on their periodic massacre of Igbos and we all remain "one Nigeria"? So when Igbos are massacred, they keep their cool, when Northerners are killed, they commit genocide?

Then that is clear evidence that we should not be together since we have different ways of doing things.

When it comes to secession, Ojukwu was left with no choice. He had gone to Aburi, signed an agreement with Gowon, Gowon returned to Nigeria to break rhe agreement by issuing decree 14 of 1967. Ojukwu and the Eastern Region were not about to be enslaved in a Nigeria that is run by the dictates of the North so they declared independence

Freedom is one of the few things in life worth fighting and dying for and neither Ojukwu or anyone in the old Eastern Region makes any apologies for fighting for freedom

The Oil you are saying that Ojukwu was trying to corner has long been cornered by the Northerners while the owners wallow in poverty. At least in the East Region that Ojukwu ran, host communities got 50% of whatever resources accrued on their lands. Today in Nigeria, they are struggling to get 13%.

Nothing much has changed since then end of the war. Nigeria is still run by the dictates of the North and has become poverty capital of the world, most people feel marginalised, nothing works and corruption is endemic.

History has since vindicated Ojukwu for fighting to remove his people from the disaster called Nigeria

The British made a big mistake bringing us together in 1914.

The British made a big mistake in amalgamating us? Yes and No.

The truth is that without colonialism, it was only a matter of time before the Fulani caliphate overruns Nigeria.
We Africans were all conquered people and we had no choice over how we were administered.

To worsen what you are saying, Your own Igbo leaders believed in one Nigeria, promoted it and were enjoying domination of certain spheres at certain points in time... Everybody takes the blame.
Nobody is a saint...

Igbos despised and looked down on everyone else in the past, including Niger deltans and Northern Christians...No one was spared. ... I got firsthand info that Igbos in the north were laughing at northerners and spiting them on their faces over the killings of their leaders...
All these and more were what lead to the killings in the north.

I do not support all this one bit and I condemn all of it and take shame in the role of my people.

However, what I will not take from you Igbos is a feeling of righteousness or Sainthood. Everyone bleeped up at that time and that is why we should all be ashamed of everything that happened.

LegendHero:
You mean a combination of all those in bolded are more influential than the Yorubas or what exactly are you talking about

If we look at development by landarea, I don't see how better developed your Yoruba land is compared to my people.

Abuja belongs to us and with the way Abuja is developing, it will square up Lagos in a short time. ...Abuja even beats Lagos in some aspects already.
Lagos economy will crumble immediately Nigeria divides and Igbos/Niger Deltans leave with their entrepreneurship and oil money.

Apart from Lagos, what else do you people have?
Kaduna, Jos and other cities which are owned by my people are more developed than your other cities.
Education wise, you people are only slightly higher than us.... If you think my people and Hausa fulanis have the same educational level, then you must be mentally challenged.

We have more minerals, a bigger land territory and a far more beautiful landscape for tourism than you people.

You people only have more thieves whom you call Alhajas, Yahoo boys, Egbon e.t.c.

You are better than no one, except the Hausa fulanis in Nigeria.

LegendHero:
You mean a combination of all those in bolded are more influential than the Yorubas or what exactly are you talking about.

As a Yoruba, I don’t believe in mocking people coz it’s not in our culture. However, you have made it a duty to always hate on us even when we don’t confront you in any way.

Your grievances that the Yorubas are supporting the Fulanis killing people in Jos is ridiculous and it’s just a figment of your imagination.

You are not separating politics from ethnicity which explains why you think a tribe is supporting you while the other is against you.

I don’t think it will be sane on my own part to start comparing the Yorubas to the North as a whole coz it will just be an exercise in futility.

What the Yorubas have achieved as a tribe from 1914 till date night actually take the North longer years to achieve. So I won’t thread the path of comparing us both.

And what have you Yorubas achieved apart from Lagos which came to you guys by luck? Same Lagos which the Igbos are now dominating the wealth of the state?

Is Ibadan, Oshogbo or Ogbomosho what you people have achieved?
We black people are sometimes very stupid that we count the individual achievements of sometimes very corrupt elite families who have robbed us blind as achievements to our ethnic groups.

If I point to your homeland to show me the achievements there, what can you show me?
The Yahoo boys and runs girls who dominate your economy or what?

A community in Ogun where people bathe once in 10 days and wash clothes twice in 6 months just hit frontpage, something you can never find in my area which is drier in climate, yet u are here talking about your people being incomparable to others....

Wake up from your sleep bro, we are all suffering slaves to these chains called Nigeria and that is why I will antagonize anyone who seeks to promote these chains called Nigeria, be it Yoruba, Igbo, Fulani or Bariba!

LegendHero:
Lol.

All this still doesn’t change the fact that your tribe is inconsequential.

Your vituperation doesn’t change a self-evident truth that your tribe is “inutilia”.

Yes, my own single ethnic group is not influential on it's own just like your own Igbomina people are nothing on their own without other Yoruba subtribes, but when you put all Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa, Taraba e.t.c ethnic groups together, we are more influential!

Answer the question, why are your people living more in our territories than we in yours since we are inconsequential?

Go and see entire neighbourhoods in Kaduna & Jos being dominated by Yorubas, and when crisis comes you see these Yoruba muslims shamelessly running helplessly away from their fellow Hausa fulani muslims to meet our people and Igbos for refuge.

Supan:
Which North? fulani have been using the military to suppress the minorities in the so-called north and they have been bleating like goats. Their opportunity to strike back is coming, sooner than u imagine.
TY Danjuma has cried to the US, EU etc. Kaduna South christians are always in constant rumble with its north brother. Beroms will always be ready to eat them again. By the time Ombatse will give u their phase 2 again, You all will be on a race to Funtua Jalon.

Thank you very much for telling that ignoramus Spendoon the truth.

I'm happy that Southerners are now getting wiser and understanding the differences of the so called North.

The truth is that Yorubas, Igbos & Niger Deltans stand a far better chance living in one country in peace than Core-northerns and Middlebelters.

There are many towns and entire LGAs where Hausa fulanis and muslims cannot sleep and wake up in Taraba, Adamawa, Plateau, Southern Kaduna and Southern Bauchi. ..... But Southerners can live peacefully anywhere within the entire South.

Putting the ethnic groups of Plateau, Gongola & Southern Kaduna in one country with Hausa fulanis is worse than putting Iranians and Israelis in one country...

spendoon:
The tribalism in the north is not as terrible as the one in the south

Tribalism is worse in the north because it leads to killings unlike in the south.

spendoon:
Because the have more similarities unlike the ones down south

What do you mean they have more similarities?

Southern Kaduna people are in the Northwest, Plateau people are in the North Central while Taraba are in the North-east, Can you tell me what a Kataf, Berom or Jukun man shares in common with a Hausa, Fulani or Kanuri man?

Better count us out of your madness.

Learn to differentiate between the Core-north and the Middlebelt, same way you differentiate Southerners.

spendoon:
The fulani can never dominate the hausa people the population margin is to wide

Of course they can and they will, they are already doing it and will continue.
Islam has blinded the eyes of Hausa people to the extent of no going back.

sebali:
The North would suffer, as all the abokis crowding our streets down south for mania Jobs would be forced back to the North, thus doubling the poverty rate, which in turn would triple the crime rate that is already very high.
Also the Islamic fanatics would clamp down on the Christian, increasing the instability of the region.
Finally without free oil money, and poor social life in most northern state and almost Zero human capacity up north, most Elites would become commoners and the remaining Elites would have to run for their lives.

There will be no Christians in a Core-northern Nigeria country cos all the Christians in the core-north will relocate to the Middlebelt.

Anyone who thinks Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Gongola & Benue people will join Hausa fulanis to form one country must be dreaming.

spendoon:
I have heard alot of people especially the ipob saying when Nigeria disintegrate the north will suffer, but that's a pure lie because even during the first republic the north wasn't suffering inshort it was even the southeast the were suffering from the structure of the first republic, the average northerners don't benefit shit from Nigeria except the elites, with or without Nigeria life is still the same to the common northerners why?
Nigeria is currently the world poverty capital with most credit going to the north, so how has Nigeria helped the suffering northerners. If Nigeria spilts like every other region the north will progress because they will certainly control their population because they will no longer be competing for domince of power as some say they do, just like other regions they will only select competent leaders without thinking if his my tribe or religion, their leaders will have no choice but to improve the human resources of the region in order to catchup with other competing regions of former Nigeria, and of all if Nigeria splits they will certainly go back to agriculture which was what they were relying on in the first republic before the discovery of oil all they have to do is reach some agreement with the south west or south south to enable them use their ports.

If core northerners are left in a country of their own, Shiites and Sunnis will go to war... Fulanis, Hausas & Kanuris will fight each other for domination of the country...
Izalas, Darikas, Tijjaniyas and other sects of Islam will be on each other's throats.
They will be like Somalia.

LegendHero:
You this plateau boy/man.

You have been enslaved by the Fulanis with a battered image coupled with a lost sense of honor such that you have failed to recognize you will always be seen as a northerner.

Tell that to your people under Ilorin Emirate not me.

You believe slaving for the Igbos and attacking the Yorubas that are far above anything you or your tribe represent in all facets of life will elevate your lowlife status.

What is Yoruba sin against you or your tribe. Haven’t we discussed this and settled this matter.

I do not and cannot slave for anyone.

I do not hate Yorubas, but I hate the way many of you behave.... For God sake why should a Yoruba person be bragging about the civil war to spite Igbos? How many of you fought that war?
90% of the foot soldiers who fought that war and died were from Benue-Plateau, Gongola, Southern Kaduna e.t.c.
How come our own people hardly brag about the war?

You are a religious bigot, a kind of a Berom cannibal that is no different from those you chose to rid yourself from.

Lastly, the mighty Yorubas don’t even know if your whole tribe exists on the face of the earth, let alone a nobody like you.

Continue your hate!

Yes I am a bigot and I am proud of it, same way many Yorubas, Hausa fulanis and everyone else are okay?

Mighty Yorubas? Who exactly are the mighty Yorubas? The millions of Yorubas in Kwara state who bow to a fulani emir or the ones in Oyo whose forests are being controlled by fulani herdsmen? Or the millions who live under dillapidated brown roof houses without toilets? Or is it the ones in Kogi who are 3rd class citizens to Igalas & Ebiras?

Tell your hundreds of thousands of Yoruba people to leave Jos & Kaduna... Then we know you people do not recognize us.
How many of my people live in Ibadan, Akure or Ogbomosho? Nonsense!

LegendHero:
I think this measurement did not take into consideration all of the landmass.

For example:
In Akure measurement you made, you left out Ibule-Soro.

I graduated from FUTA, Ibulesoro is a satellite of the campus where the FUTA engineering workshop something (I forgot the actual name) is situated. Infact it’s just a few minute drive from FUTA gate.

Yes, 1 or 2 suburbs may be left out, but that will not significantly alter the measurement by a large margin.

Also, if the suburb has up to a 5 minute virginland distance from the city, then it may not be calculated as part of that city.

For example, Ekiugbo a suburb of Ughelli town is just 5 minutes distance away from Agbarho, a suburb of Warri... People work and trade in Warri but stay in Ughelli... This should probably make Warri & Ughelli one city?

Rossippi:
You are a nasty, stupid, illiterate vagabond to purport to know where I am from or not from, while having absolutely no clue who I am.

Are you a clairvoyant?

Bush village dunce with mosquito brain. If you cannot debate an issue without getting personal with ad hominem attacks and claiming to know what you don't know, then GET LOST FROM HERE.

All you can do is insults?
Do you think you have a monopoly of it?
I will just not descend to your level of lowlife.

You should be ashamed that you are here bragging upon what others did. How many of your own fathers and uncles died fighting that war?
Those of us who lost our fathers and uncles for the victory of that war are not bragging about it, rather we are ashamed of it.

You are the one who needs to get lost and get out of here... The only people who need to be talking about the war are the descendants of those who fought it. ....Not shameless people like you.

Area4Area:
Very pathetic and same nonsense IPOB is doing today though IPOB's idea is crazier, adding Delta state and Igala and Idoma as well even after being warned by these groups to desist

See, Many leaders from the Middlebelt have gone to meet Nnamdi Kanu to include their people in Biafra referendum when the time comes, that's why he includes them.

For example, I never knew a certain renowned leader in the middlebelt has met Kanu not until I met with the leader in person.

LegendHero:
While we should not judge development by size, it is important to correct your notion about Warri size.

A little search on the side of the above indicates that:
Warri North & South = 2474km2

Enugu city (Enugu East, Enugu North, Enugu South) = 556km2

Owerri (Owerri Municipal, Owerri North and Owerri West) = 551km2

No matter what metrics you use, Warri city is by far larger than both Owerri & Enugu city combined!

Note: If I add Warri Southwest to that it will bring the Warri figure to 4196km2

Source: Wikipedia

Bro, city Landmass is not measured by the entire Landmass of a LGA you think a city occupies... I used to think that way, but it is not the case.
You can use Google maps to do the measurement, if you know all the suburbs that constitute that city.

Warri is just about 200km².... I will make a thread on this very soon and tag all you guys.

Westbestside:
[s][/s]You must be dumb, Akure town is 991sqkm, since you don't travel, how will you know. Which rural are you talking about. Awka that is just 120sqkm included rural areas. So I don't understand what you are saying. OK, let me now divide Akure in south and north. Akure south Alone is 331sqkm whick is almost 3times bigger than the whole awka as well as portharcourt. Educate yourself.

Oga, use your Google map to measure Ibadan and Akure and not just your mouth.

Here is the picture of the measurement of Ibadan & Akure below.

Akure is 175km² while Ibadan is about 560km².

Jos is about 320km², same with Benin city.
Kaduna is over 400km², PH is about 380km².

I will make a thread on this very soon and tag all of you.

@Legendhero, can you see the people who you claim are better than my people?
Even the most interior area in my state is not as bad as this.... Yet your people have been exposed to education and missionaries for donkey years before other parts of the country.
What a shame!

Rossippi:
Ojukwu and his henchmen were thoughtless. Secession is not something you wake up one morning and say you want to do.

Serious groups with secessionist ambitions stockpile weapons in secret for years. In secret, they seek out alliances and make deals with selected foreign partners as to how the latter would benefit from supporting the secessionist movement, eg via long term oil deals, trade deals, etc etc.

Ojukwu and co did none of that. They just used propaganda to deceive Igbos that the federal troops were coming to kill everybody, so let us use what we can to fight them, including cutlasses, catapaults, and dane guns.

Just total myopia and thoughtlessness - the very same naivety displayed by IPOB today, when they go disturbing British and US politicians to help them actualize Biafra. The same people who want Nigeria to be one at all costs!

If they had working brains, they would approach say China, or even North Korea, or Cuba, in secret negotiations. But no. It is TRUMP they are looking to as their ''saviour'' - a British ally!

I mean, their naivety and geopolitical blindness is just embarrassing.

Why are you crying over the loss of the Igbos? You are not an Igbo person, neither are you from the Middlebelt (where the bulk of the Nigerian soldiers who fought that war were from)...
So what is your pain or stress in all of this?

People like TY Danjuma have come out in shame to denounce their roles in the civil war and here you are bragging about the same war.

Are you sure you are sane?

Yujin:
Thanks my friend. You're one of those who say things the way they are and is prepared to face the future head on; not tied to the dreams of the hausa/fulani vampires. I personally have met tens of middle belt men who fought against Biafra and they told me the various sectors in which they fought. Majority of them regretted fighting the war. Lots of them had unforgettable scars. They said they were deceived. I even met one who was still in active service and married an Igbo woman from Umuahia. All the children were known with their Igbo names. Uche, Bonny, Ogor etc. At present, the lands of some of them have been taken over by the fulanis. Now, they've seen who the real enemy is but Rossipp will want to continue demonizing a people who's only crime was to seek their freedom from wanton killings and destruction. All that matters to him is Nigeria not minding the death and destruction visited on the constituent parts by a particular group.
As for your group, you're welcome to visit IPOB. We welcome and partner with your to see to our freedom from the evil contraption. The modalities will be agreed upon and we set to work. Those willing tools like Rossiipp and his people should forever be stationed with the fulanis.

Thank you very much for this post.

Leave all the Hausa fulani and Yoruba muslims to continue spewing rubbish here. They will soon start drinking poison out of the shock they will be getting soon.

Very evil group of people. You can imagine what they are coming up with. What in the hell is the essence of this post?

okeyglm:
Enugu town alone is more than 500sqkm. not to even me
ntion onitsha aba

Is it goats and chickens that are living in this 500km² in Enugu city? Where is the population to back it up?

Enugu cannot even measure up with places like Warri & Benin in population yet both cities are around 300km².

myobjective:
That is actually 499km2 which is actually smaller compared to even Akure which is about 535km2 or Ibadan which is 3000km2.

There are lots of more well-developed cities in the south that are better than Kano and Kaduna. I have been to all the aforementioned cities, one thing you will have to understand is most cities in the south we're totally neglected by the military government but since the coming of the civilian's lot of infrastructure has been built in these areas.

I have been opportune to travel to most of the cities in Nigeria and I can tell you that most southeastern one may be much smaller but they are much better than those in the north.

Southwestern cities have huge sizes, but they are very very underdeveloped and nothing to write home about.... I mean no hatred.

Most Southwest cities developed from old congested settlements, and these evolved into gigantic messes.

Besides, that size for Akure is very impossible, unless you are including rural areas... Where is the population to back it up? I can agree with that of Ibadan, it is very big and has the population to back it up.

PH is big and developed no doubt. The most developed in the South after Lagos, but Kaduna can withstand it... PH just keeps on having more and more oil money while Kaduna is a shadow of it's past glory and that is the edge PH has over Kaduna.

Uyo & Calabar are the only other green, neat and sane cities in the South, but they are small and non-commercial.
Warri & Benin are the next 2 largest and populated cities in the South after Lagos & PH... I have lived most of my life in both places and I am very sad to say that both places are very embarrassing and shameful considering where they are located.

Smaller cities in the north like Yola-Jimeta, Bauchi & Gombe even look more sane than both places... Warri is becoming a shadow of itself by the day and Yahoo boys/runs girls are the only things in both cities.

Asaba is the next promising city of the South and in a short time from now it will overtake Warri & Benin.

Although, Benin and Warri wouldn't have been so bad if only they had good roads...
Good roads are like a miracle in both cities.