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Perkins2018:
Was Igbo ever recorded in any history book? Hausas has always been slaves. We call them gambari because they have been slaves in our courts throughout history.

What is the meaning of YORUBA?

Yoruba - YARIBANSA

Meaning dubious or cunning people in Hausa language.
Are you not ashamed that the Hausas who u call your slaves were the ones who named you?

Balogunodua:
What is this fool saying, you conquere minority do you know the meaning of conquered well thats your business, my is that go and make research very well the maigari only rules the nupes in lokoja and does not have power over the olu of oworo in lokoja if you don't know now you know.

Perkins2018:
You would be stupid if you think I read any of those screenshots. Go to the sultan of sokoto and ask him how his forefathers were defeated in Osogbo. Ilorin was never defeated in war. They have an emir because they adopted Islam. Even offa was never under any emirate as close as it is to ilorin even jebba. Tell me any town in Yoruba land with an emir and let’s know why you are not an slowpoke.

Hahaha, you are a mushi mushi before now, why will you read the official colonial documents?

I wasn't the one who wrote all that, it was the British who wrote it as at the time even your grandparents were not yet born!
Cry me a river that these things are documented down for even your unborn generations to see.

Shameless race and group of people.

Balogunodua:
Is it the same jos where thousand are been murdered by fulani, hundreds are been murdered daily you are a fool.

In 2010 crisis, are you aware that more Yorubas died in the Jos crisis than even Plateau indigenes? Fool.

Yes Fulani herdsmen attack Plateau people and they are also dealt with in return including u yoruba muslims.

Balogunodua:
Oga kiss the truth kwara and kogi west are not caliphate and will never be. And for your information there was no day the alaffin was captured by the fulanis, and if you are talking about the colonial era it was the brittish who created the ilorin province, and there was no time the okun people pay any tribute to ilorin emir.

Coming from a small boy who did not know that Ilorin province was the same thing as present day Kwara state. Abeg go and sleep jor.


I never said Okun people paid tribute to Ilorin. Don't put words in my mouth.
It was Kwara south that paid tribute to Ilorin emirate and this was the reason why they were all classified under Ilorin emirate and in the north.

Balogunodua:
Oga i still don't get you, we are talking about kwara you are talking about ilorin disgracing alaffin in what way

This has clearly shown that you are a small secondary sch boy who knows nothing.

The entire Kwara state today was Ilorin province during the colonial era! Mumu.

caracas:
indomie generation that knows nothing of Nigeria
Go ask your father n fore fathers to tell the tale of Yoruba slavery to Hausa/ Fulani n Igbo many fights with Same Hausa / fulanis

Leave the foöls alone let me handle them

@Perkins2018 & Balogunodua

Look in that first screenshot and see that the entire Ilorin province which included all the Igbominas & Igbolos in Kwara south were all under the full authority of Ilorin emirate and were paying their taxes and tributaries to the Emir.

Shameless fools! Your Alaafin was taken captive by the Emir and you are her running your mouths.

I never wanted to bring this book and stories out, at least not yet but you idiöts forced me to do it. Rubbish!

Perkins2018:
You are just stupid. This is what happens when an Aboki thinks he’s educated. Ilorin was never lost. They have an emir through treachery. Only ilorin has an emir. Even villages surrounding it have no emir.

Your soldiers were dying in their hundreds and the war took three years. Only the intervention of a Yoruba man defeated them. That’s why they hate Yoruba till today. Even a fool knows this.

Please take away your Aboki mentality away from here they need it up north.

[quote author=Balogunodua post=84798480][/quote]Here are a few screenshots from the book.

This book was the official record written and compiled at the beginning of the colonial era (over 100 years ago) by British officers and researches for the entire Northern province.

In this first screenshot you can clearly see that Hausa language was taught as the language of senior education in Ilorin while Yoruba was for junior education.

In the 2nd screenshot, you can clearly see that Hausa fulanis and other northern tribes outnumbered Yorubas in Ilorin..

While in the 3rd screenshot, see the shameful disgrace that was given to the Alaafin of Oyo by the Ilorin Emir....

Nonsense. You people don't know anything but you keep arguing.

Perkins2018:
Pray tell us the history you read that from. Google Fulani Yoruba war and see how your masters were defeated in war. Even your Fulani masters will never dare any confrontation with the Yoruba. You can have all military formations in the world but you cannot have the brain and strategies of the Yoruba. Only the Yoruba brain defeated Biafra not military. You sound dumb each comment you make. The caliphate know more than you.

I advice you to read the book I am referring for your kinsman above.
You people are very lucky I don't have time now. I would have started busting many many lies you yorubas have been peddling on nairaland about Ilorin & Kwara. Colonial records are there.
Fulanis conquered thousands of kilometres of Yoruba territory and you people are here talking thrash.

Secondly you must be insane for claiming Yorubas were the ones who won the Biafran war when everyone knows that it was middlebelters who fought that war and died for it. I even lost my grandfather's only brother to that war.
(I don't like talking about this because it was a very big, silly and shameful mistake on the path of my people).

Igbos are the best allies my people will ever have in this useless hellhole called Nigeria.

Only one town in Plateau (Langtang) had more influential Generals in Nigeria than almost the entire Yoruba land combined and u are here talking thrash about winning a war. You are not serious....

Balogunodua:
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where in history did the fulani fight and conquer kwara, you must be joking hope you know that the fulanis never raided the entire okunland, the only place raided was ogidi, i know our history and for your information the okun defeated the nupe warriors before the brittish came, one other thing okun are majority christain, the only with town with the highest muslim majority in okunland is ayetoro gbede. And the fulanis only successed raid oyo ile through afonja, and they were defeated at oshogbo. So oga i know my history, let the the caliphate attack the yoruba and regret it. And if you are talking about ilorin, it was never lost through war but betrayal, and ilorin is still 70% yoruba. You talking about millitary school, what is the done about bandit raiding the north or boko-haram ravaging the north-east, oga even in the civil war the north commanders are less tatical when it comes to war. What is the essence of millitary school when they lack good training.

I am very busy now, but before you run your mouth here anyhow, I would advice you to go and look for this colonial book compiled by Olive Temple in 1912 as the official register of all Northern peoples.

The book is named TRIBES, STATES, EMIRATES AND PROVINCES OF NORTHERN NIGERIA.

Go and see your people's history there very well and how Fulanis & Nupes sacked Okun, Kwara (Northern Oyo).
Yes they were stopped at Oshogbo, but it did not change the status of the areas they conquered.
Have you ever wondered why Okuns and Kwarans were classified as Northerners and not southerners ??
It is simply because you people were considered properties of the caliphate!
I bet you don't know that all the towns & villages in Kwara south were paying homage to the Emir of Ilorin in the past.

I have the book with me (PDF), but I don't have the time to start doing all the scrolling.
I plan to do that during the christmas season when I am free.

I just dey look you Yoruba people dey run una mouth anyhow say Ilorin na 70% Yoruba.... In that book (colonial record), if you see the numbers of Hausas, Fulanis and other northern peoples in Ilorin, you will be shocked.

If you get that book, search for ILORIN & KABBA PROVINCES towards the end after the lists of northern tribes and read about it very very well... Then come back let us talk....

That's the way I was telling one Akoko edo guy here (Deadlytruth) from Igarra that he is an Ebira man and how his Akoko-edo people were heavily raided and colonized by Nupes hence they were classified under Northern Nigeria and he was arguing with me anyhow until I gave him screenshots from that colonial book that proved everything I said and he disappeared forever in shame.

You can see the argument on the last page of this thread below

https://www.nairaland.com/5362360/full-list-all-371-tribes/19

Perkins2018:
You are under a Fulani caliphate. You amount to nothing in the northern region.

Since when has Plateau been under the fulani caliphate? Can u explain how?
Shameless majority tribe who are been ruled by Fulanis in your millions. I have never seen a shameless and cowardly race like the Yorubas.

No wonder you people were defeated by Dahomey women warriors.
Nupes also sacked and ransacked you people.

All your history you have been defeated and dealt with by women and minorities. What a shame.

Balogunodua:
Never new you people are really scared of the core-north, let me tell you what you don't know, the core-north scared, forget all this noise they are making, the core-north power lyes in the middlebelt and guess they know longer control the middlebelt, all they have left is war of words and confrotation with the southwest will be suicide for them, they are bond to lose more. Like i said earlier words is in southwest cause they are watching north, a united south is good but the core-north are in know position to threaten the southwest, and be for saying anything am from kogi state.

Bros you are just consoling yourself.
The core-north will only be afraid of attacking you Yorubas because they see you people as their strongest possible allies in Nigeria. This is encouraged with the fact that half of you are muslims, unlike the SE, SS and Middlebelt tribes.
Meanwhile just to let you know that not all of the middlebelt is mentally emancipated from the core-north. Niger state is still very very much pro-caliphate in it's majority and this state shares direct boundary with Yoruba land..

I swear if Fulanis are aware that the christian peoples of SE, SS & MB will never support Yorubas, the way they will descend on you people through Niger state will be very swift... They may not succeed everywhere, but at least Kwara, northern Oyo & your so called Kogi-west will be so badly dealt with. Afterall they have done it before, it will not be the first time.

Go and read your history and see what Nupe-Fulani jihadists were doing to your Okun people before the British came to your rescue... They single-handedly depopulated your area by slave raiding and were sending your people as slaves to the caliphate (core-north).

Hausa fulanis are now aware that the christian MB are not on their side and will never do their dirty jobs anymore and this is the reason why they are now building all the military, airforce academies and stations in their area... We have 2 in the middlebelt, there is 1 in the SS, which one is in the SW??
In such a scenario of war btw Yorubas & Fulanis, Benin republic will just be the hope of Yoruba people against Fulani onslaught.

ChieduJoshua081:
What? am not sure you are OK. Right from the minute the urge hit my dad to ejaculate, I was the one meant to reach the womb. I didn't compete. I was the destined one.

All of you that are saying we are in life to compete keep competing with urselves. You people even go as far as to name generator "I pass my neighbor" just to feel u Re better than ur neighbor. You compare Messi and Ronaldo, compare Michael Jackson and Beyonce, compare Wizkid and davido and all sorts of those shit. Wasting ur time and energy busy comparing people when those people are even very good friends with each other.

Infact whatever seff!! !

Destined one ko, Destiny kids ni.

I really don't believe in comparing persons all tje time, however I have seen that when it comes to relations between humans of a certain specie, class, race, nationality, ethnicity and religion, it has always been a competition.

Perkins2018:
Your stupidity is amazing. The sw alone fought the military to a stand still. The caliphate can never mess with the sw. The Yoruba and the Fulanis are the only powerful blocks in Nigeria. You are from a conquered minority in the middle belt so I feel your pain. If the caliphate betray the sw in 2023 that would be their end and they know it.

I am from a conquered minority? Yet my people never fell to Danfodio or his caliphate.
Meanwhile, millions of your people have been ruled and will still be ruled forever by the Emir of Ilorin for donkey years.
You people are not ashamed that an entire state of yours (Kwara) is under Fulani rule.
In Kogi state, your people are 2nd class citizens to the Ebiras & Igalas. A large part of Lokoja LGA is owned by Okun Yoruba people, yet the ruler of Lokoja (Maigari of Lokoja) is a servant to the Fulani-Nupe Emir in Bida.

So much for a powerful tribe that cannot be messed with. SMH

Hedonisco:
The reality is that Igbos can't go it alone as things are currently structured. I'm a socioeconomic and political pragmatist. Besides, even if it were possible for Igbos to go it alone, I would still prefer the rest of my Southern (and Middle Beltan) brothers and sisters to be part of it.

The truth is that, in spite of the pseudo 'beef', partly fuelled by mutual suspicion and jealousy and partly fuelled by the North, a Republic of Southern Nigeria consisting of Igbos, Yorubas and the different ethnic groups from the South South and Middle Belt would be an African Super Power of unprecedented dimensions.

There would be no political ojoro or marginalisation in such a country, because everyone is educated, exposed, and sensible. Nobody go cheat anybody. Unlike the current abokki dominated Pederal repubulik op 'Naijeriya' where unproductive and parasitic quota system dumbos are in charge,, everyone in a Republic of Southern Nigeria would bring something valuable to the table. The Constitution and political arrangement would not only encourage fairness and equal distribution of political opportunities, it would also entrone meritocracy in the political and socioeconomic space. I'm confident. It seems far-fetched, but trust me, it is workable.

Thank you very much.

As a Plateau man and as a middlebelter, this is what I dream of, just like late Gideon Orkar my predecessor from Benue who dreamt of a succesful and united Nigeria between Southern Nigerians and middlebelters and without the core-north.
If only his coup has succeeded !

Even without the Yorubas, I think a united country of Igbos, SS and Middlebelt/Northern christians would be very very progressive..

The middlebelt has a vast fertile land and great tourism potentials in Plateau & Taraba but because of fulani herdsmen terrorism and Boko haram, none of these can be harnessed.
I will not even talk about the huge nickel depositis discovered in Plateau-Southern Kaduna axis.
The SS has the oil & gas (though which will not be advisable to depend on for a new future country), so I would just say, the SS has a huge coastline (sea access). While Igbos have a large industrious, enterprising and capitalist population which is very good in creating wealth for a country.

The majority of all of us are educated people who have the same values for education, a better life, human life, progress and prosperity unlike the core-north who are predominantly illiterate and have no value for human life and being progressive. God forbid...

The truth is that if Igbos, Middlebelters, Niger deltans and perhaps Yorubas are in one country, we will do far far better together than being separated in different countries.

May God help us unite together and dissolve this hellhole which favors the most parasitic region (core-north) more than the rest of us.

Balogunodua:
Lol arewa youth threaten southwest i laugh in chinese, if this people knows the talk that has been going around southwest, they won't even dare threaten the southwest.

Which stupid talk around SW?
Do you think if Yorubas and the caliphate are left one on one to handle each other, do you think you people can do jack?

Only a united South and middlebelt can successfully silence and paralyze the core-north, not any useless threat from the Yorubas.

Ykc2:
Awusa people are into okada while fulani people are into cow business but the funny of it part is awusa people fear fulani people like hell,they dare not speak when a fulani person is speaking,they are slave in their own land ,in kastina state they are begging the fulanis to stop kidnapping them can you imagine that?but if igbo person or Yoruba person talk they will be the one to respond for their fulani masters,

Hausas are a useless, voiceless, conquered and shameless group of people. Very worthless and useless. God forbid.
The kind of juju that Fulanis are using on them nor get part 2.

Useful1:
It baffles how the demented few from the SE and SW in the name of Ipob and afonja descendants always jump against each in any thread even when it has nothing to do with either tribe, deviating completely from the thread.
Mak una continue.
The combined youths of other ethnic regions cannot match their balls(Arewa Youths). Love them or hate them, their voice has more weight even more than some pan socio-cultural groups in this nation. Hence when they sneeze, the combined children of hate will become busy in NL.

Seriously I have not seen 2 foolish large ethnic groups like Yorubas and Igbos.
How can 2 large and great tribes with tens of millions of people be this foolish?

Fulanis (their majority rival) threatens one of them and the 2 föols start fighting each other.

Igboid:
According to Wikipedia Hausa consists of 55% of Niger republic.
There is no rule that the most populated group dominates a country. Fulani are a minority that rules the Hausas. It's more of organization and colonial forces at play.

Oh, the Fulani purposely adopted Hausa as language of the caliphate. It was the easiest thing to do since the majority of the people were already Hausa speaking. It was easier than just starting to teach everyone Fulfude from scratch.

A minority group conquering a more populated group for sake of administrative convenience always have to adopt the language of the dominant population on ground.

Nope. Hausa and not Fulfude is still the lingua franca of Adamawa, Gombe and Taraba.
The few minority groups especially those in Adamawa who has lost their mother tongue to Fulfude are mostly Islamic dominated tribes who are under the Fulani emirs, so there is a colonial influence at play more than you think. Christian dominated minority groups like Kilba, Marigi, etc retained their mother tongue.
So you are wrong and not me.

Bro, I don't think you should be engaging this kind of argument with me, especially as a southerner. I don't mean to brag but ask about me on nairaland, I am a walking encyclopedia when it comes to Nigerian peoples, histories, Immigration e.t.c (especially that of Northern/middlebelt Nigeria where I focus on because I am a leader of a Middlebelt/Northern minority movement and have been so for almost a decade).

Although I commend your efforts/knowledge about Adamawa since you even know about Kilba & Marghi (not Marigi ) and the fact that they are predominantly christian. The average southerner cannot know this. So, have you lived in this area before if I may ask??

Just to let you know, if you want to talk about christian majority groups in Adamawa who are very much anti-fulani and have been fiercely resistant to fulani influence since precolonial and colonial times, then you should mention the Bachamas, Longudas and better still Higgi (Kamwes).

Kilbas & Marghis of Adamawa are 30% muslim and most of their muslims are pro-fulani as is common with muslims in that area.
The current governor is a Marghi muslim.

Bachamas, Longudas & Kamwes on the other hand are like 100% christian. It is like an abomination to be a muslim and be from these tribes. These tribes have never been under fulani and reject being under Yola or a fulani emirate unlike Kilbas & Marghis who are still under the direct rulership of the caliphate.

Now, to address your points, I will tell you that the extent of influence of fulani language on an ethnic group in Adamawa & Gombe/Taraba is based on proximity to the fulanis and the size of your ethnic group.... It's not necessarily based on conquest or Islam.

Kilbas & Marghis are very large ethnic groups who are not direct neighbours to Fulanis. So the chances of them speaking Fulani is rare. Except most of their muslims of course who are fulani loving.

Mind you, no ethnic group in Adamawa have completely lost their native language to fulani. They only mostly speak it as a 2nd or 3rd language.

Most Batta people were not conquered by fulanis (heck they even have their own 1st class traditional ruler which Kilbas & Marghis are still dreaming of). Battas are 70% christian just like the Kilbas & Marghis, yet most of them speak Fulani language fluently and even answer Fulani names (both the christians & muslims)!

The Nzanyi & Gude-Fali people of Maiha/Mubi are a 50/50 or let's say 60% christian, yet most of them understand Fulani language. Same with the Yungurrs who are 70% christian and many Chambas & Yandangs.

All these tribes are direct neighbours of Fulanis.
These tribes are larger tribes, I am not even mentioning smaller tribes.

I have not even talked about the Verre people (although these ones were clearly conquered by fulanis).

In Taraba, most Mambilla & Mbamga people speak fulani fluently and guess what? Mambilla people have slaughtered Fulanis more than any ethnic group in Nigeria This year alone they killed almost 1000 fulanis in Sardauna to the extent that the Sultan of Sokoto was threatening fire & brimstone. Do these Mambilla people seem like a conquered people to you?

In Mubi today, Fulani is as much of a lingua franca as Hausa is. Same thing in Sardauna area of Taraba.

So my brother I know what I am saying.

Are you aware that the fulanis who conquered and took over Ilorin & Nupe land were all Yorubanized & Nupenized?
Why did Hausa language not penetrate Ilorin & Nupe land since according to you Hausa was the lingua franca of the fulani caliphate?

Recently I was reading a colonial document on the north and the number of Hausas & fulanis that were counted in Ilorin as at the 1920s was shocking. Today they have all been yorubanized.

Fulanis just could not enforce their language on hausas, no matter how hard they tried. Hausa numbers was just too much for them... Same with the Yorubas and even Nupes!

Meanwhile Gbagyis who have the same, if not even larger population than the Nupes, yet they could not ethnically absorb the huge Hausa-fulani settling population in their areas... Infact, some of the Gbagyis were even Hausanized!


So, apart from Numbers, some ethnic groups just love and promote their languages more than others. Some have a stronger ethnic consciousness, pride and centralization than others.

This was the same reason why Arabs could arabize Iraq, the Levant, Egypt and much of the Maghreb and Sudan, yet they failed in Iran, India & East Africa and instead were absorbed in the process!


Lastly, there is no way Niger republic can be 55% Hausa.... Kai, it would be impossible.
I checked wikipedia and it says there are approx 11 million Hausas in Niger rep among approx 22 million people.... That's around 50%... However, I don't accept this cos the same Wikipedia claims that there are 61 million Hausas in Nigeria which is very very false and impossible..
Even if we add all the Hausanized fulanis and Bauchi tribes to the Hausa population, they are not up to 50 million, let alone 60 million.

FearlessDapsin:
TBH, I'm sorry. Looking at your persona, I realize I've gone overboard. Looking at your comment then, I assumed you were also a tribal warrior. I'm apologizing now.

Sebi now you are apologizing?

You Igbo & Yoruba tribalists on nairaland are a very very shameful lot who harass everyone on nairaland with your pettiness.

You Yoruba and Igbo tribalists just immediately insult anyone here who makes a comment that is not even worthy of insulting.

Many people here who have no business with your tribal banters and are neither Yoruba or Igbo will instantly be termed Igbo, Afonja or all manner of tribal insults just because they have a different opinion.

Reading her comment for the first time, it was emphasizing a very funny stereotype. And seeing that she is a lady, I knew it most likely wouldn't be borne out of tribalism or with the intent of deriding yorubas.
However, you guys have become so so sensitive to tribal issues that you see things through tribal lenses.

It's such a shame and Nigeria can never progress as a country with this strong tribal sensitivity. This is why I strongly support the division of this country.

liberalchick:
lol very weird. I had absolutely never heard of it before until I opened this thread. I had to google “Ebonyi” but I couldn’t get any info online, maybe someone will do us the honors lol. Definitely not Abia, Abia was carved out of Imo and from what I heard Imo is what the ‘central/mainstream’ Igbo culture is based on. I think you meant Enugu.

Thatguy nairalandtopuser is a big troll. Don't waste your time on him.

niaralandtopuser:
I am beginning to think the Isoko are now the majority in ndokwa East. the Isoko now own land and even oil in ndokwa East

Stop trolling !

niaralandtopuser:
Even the Anioma is now divided into Ndokwa, ukwuani and Anioma

I think you are just a troll.

Anioma is divided into Enuani, Ndokwa (Ukwuani & Ndosimili) and Ika.

Ukwuani is basically the same thing as Ndokwa.

You are neither an Anioma nor are you familiar with them at all. You are just a troll and it is very shameful.

chigoziri2403:
Are they half caste

tartar9:
They should open up a family line bleaching cream industry.

Many Esan people of Edo are naturally very light skinned in complexion like they have a foreign mixture.
You see this light skin even in very interior villages among illiterates.

Igboid:
Igbide in Isoko was founded by Igbos from Awka And Mgbidi.
They have assimilated as Isokos today and because they don't speak or bear Igbo names, you don't see Igbos claiming them.

This buttresses my point that if Igbo speaking but Bini claiming groups in SS change their names to Bini names and their language to Bini languages, Igbos will no longer be having this discussion of who is Igbo or who isn't with them.


Meanwhile, spam bot got my pazienza moniker, can you help me?

Not only Igbide. There are up to 3 or 4 towns in Ndokwa east and Isoko north where this happened.
In one of these towns, I think IBREDE is the name, Isokos migrated there in large numbers and outnumbered the Ndokwas, after some time, the Ndokwas lost their language to the majority Isokos.
There have been fighting and divisions in that town because the Ndokwa Isokos who are the minority control most of the land as the aboriginal people while the Isoko settlers who are the majority have most of the land...

I think from what I heard, the Ndokwa Isokos are threatening to go back to their Ndokwa roots if the Isoko settlers continue troubling them. Thank God for them, they are in a Ndokwa LGA rather than an Isoko LGA.

Igboid:
This is common sense bro.
Hausa consists 55% of Niger Republic population.
It's only natural that it became the most popular indigenous lingual franca amongst the 6 or there about languages in the North.
And mind you, groups who are not Hausa in Niger, only speak Hausa as a second language.

The Fulani adopted Hausa as the lingual franca of their vast Northern caliphate, while Fulfulde was only a language the Fulani elites used amongst themselves.

Niger republic is 40% Hausa. If it was 55% Hausa, they would have been dominating the country, however the Zarmas dominate the politics of the country.

Mind you, even groups who are not Hausa in Nigeria only speak Hausa as a 2nd language too.

I wouldn't say the Fulanis purposely adopted Hausa as the language of the caliphate. It happened naturally, same way the Mughal conquerors of India lost their languages to the language of the conquered majority. Same thinf in Persia.
If the conquerors of a people meet a larger population of natives who are well organized, most times it is the conquerors who loose their language and become culturally absorbed.


Fulfude was and to a smaller extent is still the lingua franca in certain areas of Adamawa, Gombe, Taraba and Northern Cameroon where fulanis conquered minority groups (who were smaller in size and less organized unlike the Hausa).
There are many Adamawa and to a lesser extent Gombe & Taraba people from different tribes who have adopted fulfude as their mother tongue and others who speak it as a 2nd language while Hausa as a 3rd language....

So you are wrong

kendological:
Entreching illiteracy in the name of Islam, Fulanis are not genetically more intelligent, no race is.
But Hausas are too religious for reasoning.
But their sense is gradually returning. Think about what's happening in Zamfara.

Hausas' sense can never return until they become fully literate or predominantly literate like the south.

Actually, no culture or race is genetically more intelligent than the other. However, some cultures and races are highly more competitive and domineering than others.

Mrexcell:
This is what you get when you elect a terrorist as ur president they have finally found official way to wipe out the entire population of southern and middle belt Nigeria.

I swear bro, why don't they take this madness to Katsina state?
Hmm, thank God we got to hear of this oo.

ChieduJoshua081:
Can you people ever stop comparing people for once? Everytime comparism. are we now in the world to compete with people?

My brother this world is a competition. From birth where your father released millions of sperm cells, it was a competition (race of life), for the one that formed you to hit your mother's egg.
Life is a competition.

In this world, the white people or westernerns have declared war on other races for them to completely stay above others forever.

In Nigeria, it is the Fulanis and they started this even before colonialism and independence while other tribes were living foolishly and thought we were all one people.

AceRoot:
I am sorry if I am intruding here, but I hope you really can read through it all with an open mind.

WILLINK REPORT 1958 EXCERPTS.:

THE HISTORICAL AND POLITICAL BACKGROUND.

1. “More than 98% of people who inhabit this area (the ‘Ibo Plateau’ of the Eastern region) are Ibo and speak one language, though of course with certain differences of dialect. There are nearly five million of them and they are too many for the soil to support: they are vigorous and intelligent and have pushed outward in every direction, seeking a livelihood by trade or in service in the surrounding areas of the Eastern Region, in the Western Region, in the North and outside Nigeria. They are no more popular with their neighbours than is usual in the case of an energetic and expanding people whose neighbours have a more leisurely outlook on life.”

2. “Though there has been no great kingdom or indigenous culture in the Eastern Region, the coastal chiefs grew on their trade with the (European merchant) ships and they adopted customs, clothing and housing more advanced than those of the peoples of the interior on whom they had at first preyed for slaves. They came during the 19th Century to regard the people of the interior as backward and ignorant, and it was therefore a blow to their pride, as well as to their pockets, when the Ibos began to push outwards into the surrounding fringe of the country and particularly into the Calabar area, to take up land, to grow rich, to own houses and lorries and occupy posts in public services and in the services of large trading firms.”

“It was among the Ibos, formerly despised by the people of Calabar as source of slaves and as a backward people of the interior, now feared and disliked as energetic and educated, that the first political party formed.”

3. “It is important to remember that of this (Ogoja) Province’s 1,082,000 inhabitants, 723,000 are Ibos, almost entirely in Abakaliki and Afikpo (Divisions), while the census classifies 350,000 as “Other Nigerian Tribes.”

4. The Rivers Province …includes the two divisions of Brass and Degema, both overwhelmingly Ijaw, and the Ogoni Division. The former Rivers Division also includes over 300,000 Ibos of whom 250,000 are in Ahoada Division and 45,000 in Port Harcourt. Port Harcourt is a town of recent growth and of rapidly increasing importance; it is built on land that blonged originally to an outlying branch of the Ibo tribe, the Diobus, but is largely inhabited by the Ibos from the interior who have come to trade or seek employment….Of the total 747,000 in the Rivers province, 305,000 are Ibos, 240,000 are Ijaws and 156,000 are Ogonis.”

5. “The strip to the south of the Ibo block, is physically, divided by a block of Ibo territory, tipped by the important Ibo town of Port Harcourt and tribally divided between the Ijaws and the Ogonis.”

6. “In the whole of this non-Ibo area there is present in varying degree some fear of being over-run, commercially and politically, by the Ibos….. if Ahoada and Port Harcourt, which are really Ibo, are considered with the solid centre of Ibo population, there are 54 seats for the Ibo area and 30 for COR (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers) in (Eastern Regional House of Assembly).”

THE FEARS AND GRIEVANCES OF MINORITIES

7. “It was suggested (by non-Ibo petitioners) that it was the deliberate object of the Ibo majority in the Region to fill every post with Ibos (in public post and services).….when, however we came to consider specific complaints about the composition of public bodies, we found them in many cases exaggerated or unreasonable.”

8. “The allegation was put forward by counsel (to petitioners) that the Judiciary (when not European) was predominantly Ibo, with the implication that this caused fear among those who are not Ibos. But it was clearly stated in evidence by Dr. Udoma, the leader of UNIP, that no occasion could be adduced of the judiciary acting with partiality. The fact is that the legal profession is largely Ibos and the reasons for this do not seem to be Government action. It is therefore inevitable that there should be an Ibo preponderance among Judges and Magistrates. Further, it is the declared policy of Government that the Judiciary should be federal and this does not indicate a desire to control it. Again, the operation and composition of Public Service Commission here, as in the West, appeared to us in no way open to reproach.”

9. “In the Police, which in this region alone is wholly Federal, the number of Ibos in the higher appointments is not out of proportion to the Ibos in the region. The force is now federally controlled and although there are a large number of Ibos in the lower ranks, this is due to the fact that it has for long been a tradition among the Ibos to offer themselves for recruitment in this force in far greater numbers than any other tribe.”

10. “we noted that in five years, 1952 – 1957, from a total of 412 secondary scholarships, 216 were awarded to persons living in the COR areas, while the figures for post-secondary scholarships were 211 out of 623. The latter is about the right proportion of one-third, the former considerably in excess. It was suggested that scholarships awarded to non-Ibos were of an inferior kind and that the best scholarships went to Ibos, but we were, unable to see that this claim held any validity. On the evidence before us, we conclude that the allegations of discriminations in the matter of scholarships are unjustified.”

11. “It was further suggested that loans by the Eastern Regional Finance Corporation, the Eastern Region Development Board, and the Eastern Region Development Corporation were made with some degree of preference to Ibos. It did appear that most of the loans made by these bodies were to Ibos, but that is not to say that this was necessarily improper. Ibos constitute two thirds of the population of the region and have a bigger share of financial and commercial responsibility than their numbers warrant.”

12. “That there should be modern streetlight in Onitsha, and not Calabar, was also quoted as example of discrimination; it proved however that Onitsha Urban District Council had financed this measure from their own resources.”

13. “The question of land was repeatedly raised, it being resented by the Efiks and Ibibios that the Ibos should acquire land at all in their territory while the methods by which it was obtained were also questioned. There is no doubt that on the Ibo Plateau there is insufficient land for the people and the Ibos ate thrusting outwards where possible they acquire land and use it either for cultivation or building…..This is a matter which will require legislation sooner or later and it will be delicate to handle, but the economic process is in itself healthy and we had little sympathy with a witness who remarked that there is much undeveloped land in district and he was anxious that it should not fall into the hand of the Ibos….We believe that Governments in Nigeria should be careful not to try to protect minorities by introducing measures that would restrict development.”

14. “A group of miscellaneous grievances and charges against the Ibos from Calabar may be treated together; we were told that the Ibos did not observe local customs in the markets….We formed the impression that jealousy of the Ibos successes in the markets was the main factor.”

THE PROPOSAL FOR NEW STATES

15. “The Ogoja state proposed to us would include former Ogoja province, whose population of slightly more than One million include more than 700,000 Ibos…the main intention would be separation from the central body of Ibo population, but in which they will still be linked together with as a minority with their Ibo neighbours in Abakaliki and Afikpo…A majority of evidence we heard from Ogoja was direct that they preferred the present situation to any association with Calabar and that they were at least as much afraid of domination by Efiks and Ibibios as by Ibos.”

16. “The (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers or COR) state proposed would consist of Calabar, Rivers and Ogoja provinces excluding the two Ibo Divisions of Abakaliki and Afikpo. The population of this area is 2,649,000 and the following would be the five largest tribes:

Ibibio 717,000
Annang 435,000
Ibo 428,000
Ijaw 251,000
Ogoni 156,000

As already explained, the small but important Efik tribe of 71,000…The (COR) area is far from homogenous , and many of the other tribes expressed at least as much fear of the Efiks and Ibibios as of the Ibo. It would leave the Ibos of the Ibo Plateau surrounded by a state whose reason for existence was hostility to themselves: the Ibos are an expanding people…”

17. “The area claimed for Rivers state consists of the whole of the Rivers province, that is: The Division of Brass, Degema, Ogoni, Port Harcourt and Ahoada, together with the Western Ijaw Division from the western region, and two small sections in the Eastern Region from outside the Rivers Province, Opodo and Andoni being one, Ndoki the other.”

18. “Port Harcourt is an Ibo town and it is growing rapidly and the indigenous branch of the Ibos who are original inhabitants are already out-numbered by Ibos from the hinterland.”

19. “The people of Ahoada, a Division of which a pan runs down to meet Port Harcourt, appear at one time to have favoured the idea of a Rivers state, but have changed their views and before us expressed themselves as strongly against it. Comparatively few of them live in the low-lying swampy country of the coastal strip and they have voted for the NCNC consistently, they said themselves that a main factor in their change of front had been the inclusion if the Western Ijaws in the proposed state. So long, they said, as the Rivers state was to consist of the River Province only, the Ibos would have been the most numerous tribe within it: but the inclusion of the Western Ijaw Division put them at a numerical disadvantage beside the Ijaws and they therefore preferred to stay out. Whether or not this was a line of reasoning that really had a wide appeal, the fact remain that before us they were opposed to the idea of the state. This is not surprising because their problems are different from those of the ijaws.”

20. “To include within a River state Ahoada and Port Harcourt, would, we believe, create a problem as acute as that with which we were asked to deal at present and and would be sharply resented by the Ibos of the central plateau.”

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Wow! Where did you get this from?

Pls I would like to see the source. It's very interesting.

Osagyefo98:
Pure lies because a list of their names hardly shows such...Is it obi of kwale or should I say Okpalaukwu...That's the name of the stool or does it mean a certain real name was also swallowed.


What you said is a figment of your Imagination not the fact on ground.


Even there they still answer Ojiuzor, chukwudi, Ifeanyi, Chibuzor, Anulika and the rest..

Such are their names and who they are..


Your meeting two or three people and base your logic on that is a bad research.

For this it is figment of your Imagination not facts.

Wait bros, what is your argument here?

Are you saying that there are no names peculiar to certain dialects of a larger tribe?
Are you saying that people do not borrow the names of their neighbours? Cos even unrelated ethnic groups borrow each other's names, let alone people from the same ethnic group.

Well, many Igbos here say you are an intruder and not an Igbo, so there's no need going further in this argument.

pazienza:
Your long post strongly emphasizes why it's pointless engaging in these issues with non Igbos.
You are obviously not knowledgeable enough about these issues to engage in it. To be able to reasonably understand this issue, you need to be an Igbo who has lived in these Igboid parts or an Igboid who has lived in South East.



This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law .

The above doesn't make sense. There is no analogy whatever between Igbo and Anioma and Middle belt and Hausa-Fulani. The Igbo speak same indigenous language with these Igboid groups, the Hausa-fulani don't speak the same language with middle belt groups. Even middle belt groups are very heterogeneous and don't
speak the same language.
Secondly , no Igbo person is seeking to divide Anioma, we are simply identifying with those who identify with us, who happens to be mainly those of them in Enu-ani, many of us are tired of reaching out to Ika and Ukwuani.


Additionally, The Enuani and Ukwuani are intertwined with Ika, as much as the Ukwuani are entwined with Igbos in Ogbaru LGA of Anambra, and the with the Igbos in Oguta LGA.
If you are Igbo, you would know this and will not go off tangent with the narrative of Igbos trying to disunite Anioma.

Nevertheless, you tried in other parts of your analysis of the issue.

Ok, I think I get where you are coming from. It's good that you say you are only interested in identifying with Aniomas that identify with you.

It's a better way for you to put it unlike the way I see some other SE Igbos who sit down in Aba and use a pair of scissors to be carving Anioma in and out by claiming that so so and so place will be in Biafra while others can join Yoruba or go to hell. Some will even tell you that when they take over Anioma, all the Anti-Igbos will be sent back to Benin .
And I'm like, wow! How do you just divide a people who love themselves based on your own views & interests?

Do not have a very myopic and tribalized view as an educated person.
See, my virtue of being very inquisitive and loving of understanding cultures and origins, coupled with the fact that I grew up in Delta state and have lived with many Aniomas qualifies me to talk about Aniomas and even understand them better than an Aba person who has never crossed the Niger river and only knows about Anioma people based on what he sees online.

The problem only comes in if I am biased (like I hate the Igbo ethnic group) hence my views would be highly biased.

Secondly, my bringing in Hausa and middlebelt tribes into the comparison is not really to tell you that both situations are the same, rather it is more or less about to show you how a certain majority or large group sits down to divide a certain area which they do not really understand the differences, divisions and histories, simply based on their own opinions and selfishness.

I have seen even Pro-Igbo Aniomas arguing with SE Igbos because these SE Igbos make erroneous claims about Anioma based on their own selfish interests.

You can see a SE Igbo come out and say something like ''Any Anioma person who claims to be from Benin is a foöl''....... Now this is very very wrong because someone can be pro-Igbo and at the same time take pride in his/her Benin ancestry.
So, this is where I am coming from.

Thank you for appreciating other parts of my analysis.

And just for the records, I know about the relationship of Ukwuanis & Oguta, Ogbaru people. I know about the relationship of Enuanis with Onitsha, Obosi e.t.c.
I know about a lot of Igbo history, origins, migrations, wars e.t.c than most Igbos within the youth age actually know about themselves.
Thanks to my Pal Osita Mordi

Osagyefo98:
Your logic and sampling is skewed based on your interactions with few which I always summarize as lies.


Even in kwale they answer Emeke, Emeka, Chukwuemeka...Ugochukwu, Orji.., onyekachukwu...

All are still their names.

See, larger dialects always swallow up smaller dialects within the same language.

Many Ondo & Ekiti people answer Oyo dialect Yoruba names today in addition to their own dialect names, but they know the ones that originally belong to their native dialects.

Same with Aniomas. There are Igbo names that are aboriginal to Anioma dialects and those that aren't.