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rvp2018:
Kenya respect money n progress.The white men are wealthy $ progressive..they are welcomed with open arms because in kenya we get nothing from free and so we give nothing for free.Kenyans have no time for Nigerians and their low class movies $ funny pidgkin English.Most typical middle class find Nigerians crass..low class with off putting English enunciation.Majority of Kenya aspire to be like whites who were or are kenyan..upper class british.The low class kenyan are intrigued by Nigeria withcraft & sense of humour that allows Nigeria to cope with anything as depicted in those movies.

And there are only 10% of middleclass Kenyans. This means that the overwhelming majority of Kenyans 90% are fascinated by Nigerians.

That asides, all the Kenyans who attend concerts of Nigerian singers till the tickets are sold out weeks before the show, are they all lowclass Kenyans?

All the Kenyans who were watching Big Brother Nigeria on Dstv and voting both online and offline, were they all lowclass Kenyans?

It's so unfortunate that black Kenyans look up to rich white people in their own country.
In Nigeria, poor black people look up to rich successful people of their own kind (black people) in their country. We need no white foreigners to inspire us or make us obsessed.

No wonder these ugly charcoal black kenyans prefer to celebrate 'Blanket and Tea parties' rather than their African cultures. What a shame!

naijalander:
and yet most Kenyans are obsessed with Nigerians. Abeg...most Nigerians I know that moved back home actually hate Kenya with a passion. Kenyans are not open minded people and are very ethnocentric people. oh yeah and they loooove white people.

I have heard different people saying the same thing, that Kenyans love and worship white people so much.
Why do you think this is so?

It's also true, they are obsessed with Nigerians too.

rvp20182:
Abuja cannot beat NAIROBI in anything. Despite all the billion dollars Nigeria spent in building it from the scratch.

This is Upperhill - Nairobi's Sandton that was recently rebuild from middle class estate - within Nairobi
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/39393570930_9bc9216da2_o.jpg
Nairobi old City Center.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYmEQbRW0AcMQSW.jpg
Nairobi's Westland CBD also beat Abuja

The beauty of a city is not just about sky scrappers.
How beautiful are the streets and roads in the city?

Most European cities do not have sky scrappers but they are still considered the most beautiful.

Abuja city does not have slums and those concentration camp houses littered all over Nairobi. There is no basis of comparing both cities.

GERALD710:
Wh told you Umoja and Donholm(mentioned in the article) are the same all over
If you go a bit behind, I had outlined that parts of Umoja are middle class and others working class. Umoja near outer Ring and Innercore are working class.The rest is Middle Class.
The article generalises entire estates when those estates in themselves are divided further.The picture below is of Greenspan at the heart of Donholm. Does it look like the description in the article

Your fellow Kenyans like NairobiWalker2 here boasted to me that the entire Umoja is lowclass even with those expensive concentration camp houses which they showed me.

That means Kenya doesn't really have low income areas save for slums. No wonder the slum population keeps increasing.

obaaderemi:
The day Kenya qualifies for the Cup of Nations, a week holiday will be declared. They love football but sadly they can't play it.

Rotf . Jeeeez! Too savage.

naijalander:
Baba, even African Cup of Nations, Kenya doesn't qualify.

Lol .
Seriously I have never seen Kenyans playing football (the most common sport in the world).

Do we have men in that country or just all those emaciated skinny long distance sissy runners?

Why do Kenyans always look so emaciated? Do they eat healthy food at all? I hardly see a buff Kenyan.

obaaderemi:
I got this from your link. You have 68 and Nigeria without any serious effort on tourism, has 58. Meanwhile your link shows Nigeria has more projects under development than any other African country. Why did you exclude that information from the poo you wrote?.. …......the report says:

http://content.knightfrank.com/research/1493/
documents/en/hotels-africa-2018-5422.pdf

Most strikingly, 35% of projects under development in the continent are in West Africa, which is home to only 9% of the current supply. The greatest concentration of these projects is in Nigeria, primarily in Lagos and Abuja, where multiple hotels are under development for international brands including Hilton, Sheraton and Marriott.

Thank you for exposing the biased nature of this rvp20182.

TayserMahiri:
The most famous resident of Marsabit was Ahmed the Elephant.

He was so famous that the then president, Jomo Kenyatta, declared he be given presidential protection via decree. He still remains as the most famous elephant in Africa to date. He was famous for his giant size and giant tusks, which led people like me to speculate he carried the condition Mammothinitis, the quality of having mammoth genes (their distant cousins). lol am kiddin, theres no such condition.

The great animal now stands outside the National Museum, mounted in fiberglass and resin. He died aged 55, meaning he lived as long as all men in Nigeria realistically hope to live in 2018

Why don't you Kenyans get tired of stupidity and childishness? Why did you have to bring in Nigeria here?

See, respect yourself cos if you do not, people like me will turn this thread upside down for you.

bibe:
To be honest with you, I don't buy this tag of majority and minority group (I mean personally I don't believe in it). The ikwerre issue is complex and this platform is not appropriate to discuss it. However the reality is that many ikwerres address themselves as Igbo while some don't (even when the name ikwerre is Igbo and they do bear Igbo names even in meaning). Don't have much info about the okrika.

The point I raised isn't about marginalisation but subsuming of ethnicities which I pointed to the provincial system in place in the Eastern region to help ensure representation. It may not have been perfect but it was a system which was subject to evolution. I don't want to digress from that.

I understand you.

But don't you think marginalization of minorities can also lead to subsuming their identities?

In the old northern region, Hausas pumped all the money to the development of Kaduna and Kano. This made many middlebelters abandon their villages to move to Kaduna and Kano in droves and those middlebelters who could not speak Hausa were mandated to learn Hausa.

Go to Okene or Bida today. Ebiras & Nupes generally do not speak Hausa as a 2nd language but it is very common to find 1 among 3 people in their homelands who speak Hausa. How come? Cos they must have lived in Kaduna, Kano or Jos cities.

The number of middlebelt muslims in Kano, Kaduna and Zaria that have been hausanized are too many, why? Cos they migrated there a long time ago to find better opportunities which never existed in their homelands.

If the regional govts had continued, the majority of Eastern minorities, especially those living in Enugu (the capital) and PH would be speaking Igbo by now. After a long time, some after some generations would be Igbonized.
Everyone would want to speak Igbo cos more opportunities would definitely come with it.

I hope you get my point.

rvp20182:
That very true - Turkana are basically the wretch of earth. But with oil they are getting 30% of it. But yeah at one point 98% of Turkana were poor. Now after devolution and the last decade of investment - poverty has come down to 70%. The whole of Northern Kenya requires a marshall plan and I am glad that seem to be happening now. We need to complete LAPSSET so these areas can be opened up for investments, tourism, for security and generally to unleash the 2/3 of kenya that is now too remote.

TayserMahiri:
Yeah Turkana is the poorest county in Kenya by far. But they will be getting 30 % of the oil revenue, 5 % of which will go straight to the local community including that girl.

Ok, I am very happy to hear this.

Cos it pains me so much seeing Africans in such poverty. These images being sent to the world is terrible.

TayserMahiri:
Launch of the Early Oil Pilot Scheme (EOPS) from Turkana, Northern Kenya. The EOPS is aimed at testing the oil market, learning the trade/tricks, etc before full phase oil production in two years.

That note is President Uhuru Kenyatta's on the visitor book. Just below (not visible) is a note in red saying "The idea is to avoid being like Nigeria".

I watched this on Aljazeera yesterday.

But the kind of poverty I saw in this Turkana community was terrible.

They were like people living in the stone age. A particular girl was shown, she had to walk 30 minutes just to fetch some very dirty water from a hole. I hope the communities and county govts get a lot of derivation from this oil wealth cos it would be very unfair for all the wealth to go to Nairobi.

bibe:
Apt analysis. Dunno much about what obtained in the western region but in the Eastern region, although the Igbos used their numbers to dominate political affairs, the use of provincial governance system gave room to various ethnic nationality for identity. They weren't exactly being subsumed to anybody like was obtained in the North.

This is what you think cos you are obviously not from one of the 'minority groups'.

I have heard people from the Eastern minority groups complain how they suffered in the Eastern region and how they would rather remain federal slaves of Nigeria than going into any form of govt anymore with the Igbos.
There was so much celebration and happiness among the eastern minorities when Gowon gave them their own states, why do you think so?

Take Ikwerres and Okrikas for instance, they never had a control over PH city during the old eastern region. Igbos from the hinterland completely dominated the city and the natives of the city were like 2nd class citizens in their own lands (I have heard many Ikwerres say this).

Chicksslayer:
I ddnt want to make any comment in the first place but I have to...what people fail to understand is that the so called cultural minorities are to be blamed for their journey to extinction. I have stayed in several parts of Nigeria and happened to mingle with them from the southern and northern Nigeria, what I noticed about them is that they do intentionally attach themselves to the majority tribes because of so many reasons. For example, southern kaduna have so many tribes but they chose to adopt hausa as a means of communication leaving behind their own language. However to some extent I won’t blame them because some are few hundreds and thousands in number, if they should only speak the language they won’t be able to communicate with their neighboring tribes that are also minorities. Infact they’ll just be like deaf and dumb especially when they go to the city, and don’t forget the fact that they are not educated so don’t expect them to use english to communicate and they have to communicate with other people even if it’s for business purpose. Even among the majority, there’s one that their inferiority complex is high enough that alot of them are dumping their very own culture for English culture! So minorities should thank God theirs is not as a result of inferiority complex but really need to step up their game, love and show their culture to the world because indeed every culture is beautiful and interesting.

You made a very good point.

Good that you acknowledged how small the Southern Kaduna tribes were and their need for a lingua franca among themselves.

However I also wanted you to know that the Hausa language was forced on these people during colonialism. During the old northern protectorate and northern region, Hausa language was widely promoted as the lingua franca of the entire region through the help of the British colonialists. So, don't just apportion blames on people without knowing the history of it.

Before Hausa language came, these tribes survived with their neighbouring tribes by speaking each others' languages and they were fine with it.

Had it been that these tribes were granted their own autonomy during colonialism, completely independent of Hausas, they would have evolved their own lingua franca from among their own languages. Afterall, many of these languages share a lot of similarities.

Efewestern:
You are comfortable with the status quo, I know little about you culture because you hardly talk about it, most time I do think Your culture is exactly the same with that of Fulani, but check out the southern minorities ,every day we write articles about our people that it will be very difficult to lump us with anyone, We are always promoting our identity anywhere we are, You guys lack this ability.

I feel like I have to correct your assumption in this paragraph of yours.

First of all, let me ask you, do you think the average Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri, Shuwa arab and other northerners know the difference between an Igbo man, an Ishan man an Ibibio man and an Urhobo man? Hell they do not!

They assume that all of you are INYAMIRI (Igbos). Go to any part of the core-north and even parts of the middlebelt, that is the way you will be addressed.

Even Idomas and other Benue & Kogi christians are addressed as Igbos in the core-north.

You do not know the difference btw middlebelt and core-northern cultures not because we do not talk about our cultures but because the differences may not be easy for you to understand. Just like a typical Hausa man from Katsina cannot easily understand the differences between Igbos and South-south people no matter how much you explain.

Take a trip to Zamfara or Sokoto and you may understand my point better.
In fact, it is so bad that in some parts of the core-north they do not even know yorubas. Every southerner and anyone they see who cannot speak hausa is addressed as an IGBO.

Efewestern:
My brother from another mother, Long time.. I still stand by my word, You guys are doing little or nothing to liberate yourself from the Hausa/fulani grip.

Like you pointed out, Mid-western region was created to weaken the then Western Region, but before then the Urhobos were already championing the cause for a separate identity.

Now back to this day, we have all seen how some major ethnic group are trying to lump The minorities into their fold using some silly excuses or the other even when we share nothing with them, The Southern minorities responded with strong criticism, each group distinguishing themselves and making known their points, this is something your Nothern minorities lack.

You are comfortable with the status quo, I know little about you culture because you hardly talk about it, most time I do think Your culture is exactly the same with that of Fulani, but check out the southern minorities ,every day we write articles about our people that it will be very difficult to lump us with anyone, We are always promoting our identity anywhere we are, You guys lack this ability.

Another issues is that you guys don't want to step on toes, I don't know but I think by now Middle belt should be having no connection with core north, You should know those who wants your progress, the core north are just parasites, Nobody benefits anything from them, save for terrorism, you can start your campaign by Pulling out from any alliance you have with the core north, start an online campaign, you can use Nairaland, tell people who you truly are, within few years I believe you guys will be left alone.

Yeah, you said the truth Bro. I've not been online so often.

However, like I told you, the strength and numbers of our people had already been weakened since the colonial days due to hausanization and islamization.
Your people never faced this.

For instance, only mostly Plateau and Benue people are very strong vocalists of the middlebelt struggle and independence of the middlebelt, Why? Cos we are overwhelmingly christians and are not affected by Islamic prejudice.
Southern Kaduna and Taraba tend to be also vocal to an extent, but the north-central definition excluded them, so many of them think that they are not even part of the middlebelt identity.

Another thing is that your own people are very important in the Nigerian scheme, being the owners of Crude oil (the wealth of the nation). So people listen to you guys more when you talk.
Your own people are also more educated and exposed than my own people who were dragged backward by the retrogressive core-north for decades. (Thank God we have left them behind and are making better progress in reducing illiteracy and poverty levels).

Another thing is that our tribes were largely balkanized by the colonialists. During colonialism, a tribe like yours (the Urhobos) in Plateau for instance were divided into like 5 distinct ethnic groups by the British, so that they can easily be controlled and manipulated.
This has heavily reduced the ethnic esteem and pride of our people. Your tribes are larger than ours and more influential. Save for Tivs and Idomas, the other larger tribes in the middlebelt like Igalas, Ebiras and Nupes have their allegiance heavily divided by islamic prejudice to bond with the core-north.

However I agree with you that we need to do more on our own to dissociate ourselves from the core-north. We can do far better than we are doing now.
That is why I to an extent I now believe that every part of the middlebelt should fight to completely dissociate themselves from the north on our own cos some states in the middlebelt have a lot of pro-arewa people.

Niger state people for instance are middlebelters but they are heavily pro-Arewa minded cos they are mostly muslims and under emirates. There is no sense for Plateau people for instance to share any identity or struggle with Niger state people, they will only drag us down.

And the bane of the struggle now lies with the youths cos our elders were brainwashed from childhood to believe that they are one with Arewa and inseparable.

Efewestern:
They should learn from Southern minorities and how we fought so hard to have our separate identity, left for these major Ethnic groups, they just want to lump every small ethnic group into their fold, Read about the plight of Southern minorities In the 1960's regional government.

Most northern minorities are fast loosing their identities and the federal government is doing nothing about this.

How many times have the northern minorities carried out a campaign to distinguish themselves from hausa/fulani ?, Down south we do that every single day.

I beg to disagree with you my friend.

Southern minorities were just very lucky to be more liberated than we northern minorities. It's not as if you guys fought more for it. Let me give you the points.

1) Our colonial masters, the British favoured the Hausa-fulanis the most in our country, we all know that! And the British clearly used we northern minorities as pawns to make the Hausa-fulanis stronger.
Many of us rejected, but some could not.

Do you know how much the British promoted Hausanization and islam in the old northern region? The British went as far as trying to stop the missionaries from evangelizing northern minorities, so that islam will spread and we would all become muslims, so that we can all be more like Hausas, but it failed to an extent because of the stubborness of the missionaries. It still succeeded somehow though otherwise these missionaries would have even converted many of the Hausas themselves to christianity.
It is a very long story to be explained here. If you wanna know more, I can expand.

How about the emirates? They also tried to force the emirates all over the entire north, some tribes fought against it, others accepted and later fought, while others could not reject and still remain victims till today.

Many other points.

Now I don't see how the British connived with Yorubas and Igbos to try to Yorubanize or Igbonize you southern minorities. If there are please show me.

2) The Hausas & Igbos controlled the first republic while the yorubas were in opposition. This caused the Hausas & Igbos to fully support the demand of you Bendel minorities to break out from the old western region, while they themselves fully held on to their own minorities.

3) The Biafra war brought about the full liberation of Eastern minorities. Something which they would never had achieved if not for that war.

Northern minorities have shown times without number how they wish to be distinct from the north, right from the Willinks commission of 1956 to the Tiv riots of 1967. Even during the colonial period till the first and 2nd republics with the United middlebelt congress political party which dominated the politics in middlebelt areas of the northern region, to the Jos natives movement in the 1980s. How many more can I mention.

The only reason why it seems like the voice of the middlebelt is not loud enough is because of religion. The oppressors of the region have used the most powerful tool (religion) to divide the allegiance of the populace of the region. Just the same way they seem to be using that same tool to want to divide the south-west.

@fratermathy. Very good job! Kudos for this piece.

However 2 things I would like to tell you.

1) Nigerian minorities are more than 50 million. We form 38% of the country's population. That's around 75 million people (out of 200 million Nigerians). At least 25% of the south and 60% of the north comprises of minority groups

The majority of northern Nigeria's population are minorities, only that hausanization through the emirates and the use of islam as a tool has succeeded in silencing the distinct identities and voice of many northern Nigeria's minorities.

2) Write-ups like this would definitely help to increase the courage and active consciousness of we minority groups, but it may never change anything, unless we achieve full autonomy under regional governments.

The only way out for we the minorities under this Federal government is to try to unite amongst ourselves, support each other and have a common identity at the Federal level.
Middlebelt minorities -one identity.
South-south minorities- one identity.

lilbest4:
If I were in his shoes, I'd rather play for Bosnia and Herzegovina than wear Nigerian jersey

Savage!

Bros take am easy na. Nigeria is not as bad to this extent na

Not all Edo people are fetish or practice witchcraft, but a good percentage of them are.

From someone who has spent 5 years in Edo state.

You just have to be very careful with these people!

The girl may be very innocent but her parents or at least one of her family members must be into witchcraft or fetish practices and in the long run they might influence her. @Cutehector

obaaderemi:
Have you lived in Ibadan before or you just passed through. Can you mention the parts of Ibadan you know or you are basing your opinion on reports of these studies? The same studies tell us more Kenyans live in slums than Nigerians. But when you show them these reports they scream foul.
https://millenniumindicators.un.org/unsd/mdg/SeriesDetail.aspx?srid=710
According to that report while Nigeria's slum population % dropped from 77% in 1990 to 50% by 2014 Kenya's % increased to 56%. The report on Ibadan is from 2013 and based on 1985 stats. So my friend, a lot has changed although the dirty parts remain but many new areas keep springing up in Ibadan due to its immense size. Its not congested like Lagos or Nairobi. You should do your research well.

True. I also saw the report too.
That of Nigeria should have also reduced the more by now.

Nigerian housing system largely favours the poor upgrading to better houses WHILE the Kenyan housing system is the opposite.
Now, this is terribe. Why on earth should slum population be increasing in a developing country? That tells you that the housing system in the country is very unworkable and unfavorable to the majority of the citizens.

NairobiWalker2:
Lol, 1 million people in 2.5 sq. km and people are happy to agree with it to feel good about themselves. Practically, they're trying to say the population density of Kibera is 400,000 people per sq. km.

As usual, you have gone to your lesbian wife TashaMaria (TayserMahiri) to seek support and backing after you have been disgraced and exposed left, right and centre.

I hope you find succour on the laps of your lesbian partner in crime.

Lesson for today, learn to control your mestruation cos you menstruate randomly from different cavities of your body.

NairobiWalker2:
It's good you try to refocus on shallow things which is more like you. The Song is Ugandan and the language is Luganda mixed with Swahili.

Are you sure? I checked on my own earlier today and discovered these ladies were from Rwanda and not Uganda. Check again. Or have you also brought your lying spirit to this harmless topic too?

I knew it afterall. I knew these lovely talented ladies could not possibly be from Kenya. They seem too good to be Kenyans. Kenyans can never produce good music.

Pardon me but I had to borrow this meme

TayserMahiri:
People can be really stupid. Theres no way Kibera can house one million people. The population of Kibera at its prime was 170,000.

You are a chronic liar.

Kibera has been estimated to have up to 1 million people by multiple sources!

Different international sources claim that at least 60-70% of Nairobians live in slums. Or do you want us to splatter this thread all over with those sources?

Ok, explain why only a section of Kiberan voters that spill over into Langata constituency overwhelmingly outnumber the entire population of Langata constituency? Is that normal?

NairobiWalker2:
I think I've schooled you too much today to continue going back and forth with you. The only extra think I would add to the schooling is - you talked of colonialism, you didn't say when. You thought Nigeria was doing so well when it didn't. You thought it was doing better than all other populous countries. You though Sudan was divided into two religions equally and thought many countries in the world were divided in a similar way. You thought Ethiopia was colonized. You thought Nigeria was doing badly because it has special problems that aren't present in other countries. I've schooled you in all that. Please copy paste this summary and thank me later. For now, I am done with you Mr. No-ones-anus.

Geee Mr teacher, so how come you did not know that Germany was never colonized by Rome?

nwoke37:
i hope you also realize Mexico is also one the most dangerous places in the world; it has the most dangerous city in the world...
WORLD FACTS
The Most Dangerous Cities In The World
Los Cabos

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html

Like i said for a country that is much older Nigeria, Mexico is only ding slightly better than Nigeria

Thank you very much!

It is such a shame that countries like Mexico and Brazil who gained their independence more than 100 years earlier than Nigeria still share the same 3rd world status with the likes of Nigeria.

Only an irredeemable slowpoke would compare countries with 140 years difference in period of independence.

NairobiWalker2:
When someone is educating you it's not bitterness nor trolling lol. You should thank me for all this education I give you. Now you know there aren't many countries with over 80M people and those that exist, all of them are better than Nigeria economically other than India and Pakistan which are similar to Nigeria and Ethiopia and Bangladesh which are a little bit worse of than Nigeria. At least you know Mexico and Brazil are not Nigeria's pals when it comes to economy.

Geeee And I wonder why countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are more or less like Nigeria rather than Mexico or Brazil.

Could it be because India/Pakistan/Bangladesh are younger countries who gained their independence in the mid 20th century just like Nigeria and fought a very bloody war which claimed millions of lives just like Nigeria? Can anyone answer me?

Fools do not know analogies when they see one, no matter how much it stares them in the face!

NairobiWalker2:
When someone is educating you it's not bitterness nor trolling lol. You should thank me for all this education I give you. Now you know there aren't many countries with over 80M people and those that exist, all of them are better than Nigeria economically other than India and Pakistan which are similar to Nigeria and Ethiopia and Bangladesh which are a little bit worse of than Nigeria. At least you know Mexico and Brazil are not Nigeria's pals when it comes to economy.
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Good to see that you have gone completely mute after I silenced you on the issue of housing in Nigeria with this post below.

Nowenuse:
3 months eviction notice in Kenya for someone who pays only 1 month rent? Who do you think you are talking to?

In many Nigerian houses, the landlords live in the same compound with the tenants. It is very common to find a rich or high middleclass Nigerian build his beautiful house with his pathfinder parked inside the compound, while he has other 1 bedroom, 2 bedrooms or even 3 bedrooms appartments for rent in the same compound.

So you can find a single bedroom for rent in a beautiful mansion at a cheap price in Nigeria.
Now I see the reasons why you have been arguing fruitlessly with me and disbelieving all my pictures of houses. Jeez! This is why I say we have more constructive debates to learn more from each other rather than this bitter and insultive childish arguments.


Nigeria and Kenya have very different systems.

In Kenya, all houses within a city are built by estate developers hence people of the same social class live in the same estates or neighborhoods.
In Nigeria, it is not like that! Except for Abuja city which is dominated by estate developers, Private individuals have the right to acquire lands and build their choice houses almost anywhere in the city they want to. And most of the private houses are being built by the owners with other smaller appartments available for rent.

This is why housing is relatively cheaper in Nigeria. Estate developers are usually greedy and would want to make maximum profits from their estates WHILE Individuals vary and some landlords being owners of their own houses may not be bothered or eager to make much profit on rent.

From this video I showed you earlier of Warri city, try to picture the finest house in this video below. That finest house will most likely have a one-room appartment for rent which will cost almost the same or even cheaper with other one-room appartments available elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IUhortNLg

In my father's compound, he has a Range rover parked in the compound and my mother's highlander packed in the same compound and they have tenants who pay 200k annually for a modern 2 bedroom flat

I hope you have learned your lessons? Don't let your ugly black kenyan mouth and fingers menstruate faster than your Kibera-like brain. Stop, wait, listen, analyze and research before you do anything (thank me later).

You thought Nigeria was like Kenya where poor people do not have any rights and are destined for slums/concentration camp houses all their lives.

I advice you to leave those concentration camp houses in Umoja and come to Nigeria, with half of your 10k shillings, you can live in a 2 bedroom appartment in a beautiful mansion, with a Pathfinder parked outside

NairobiWalker2:
Lost case for educating you on things you have no idea about? Lol.............aren't you the one who said no country with over 80 million people that was colonized is more progressive than Nigeria? The problem with stupid people is, you educate them, they grow horns and think they're better than you lol. I intended to type Philippines - For some weird reason I always tend to confuse Philipines with Malaysia, I don't know why. You can look at my initial post when I was listing those countries though - I mentioned Philipines. Anyway, in your typical evasive techniques, you ignore all the things I corrected you (Ethiopia not being colonized but occupied and proving to you that all countries with over 80M people that were once colonized are equal or more advanced than Nigeria) you choose one simple error to focus on.


See? You know no history my friend. FYI I happen to be a history enthusiast. Don't go their with me. Germany was colonized by the Roman Empire. Seems you read to respond and not to understand. I already mentioned that to you before.



The only desperate person here is you. No wonder you keep mentioning it.


The only person who should learn about Mexico is you. Give me one, just one area that Nigeria beats Mexico. Just because you hear Americans ridiculing Mexico in their movies doesn't mean Mexico is crap my friend. Mexico is better than even South Africa, leave alone Nigeria. The HDI of Mexico is 0.76. I am definitely talking to a shallow thinket who can't reason beyond women's fashion and handbags. lol. What kind of fool thinks Nigeria can minutely compare to Mexico?


There you go again my lord. FYI, let me show you what that 'one of the largest slum in the world' looks like then you can come here and talk to me about Nigeria comparing with Brazil. See that? Yeah - that's Brazil's largest slum in Rio de Janeiro. Look at the roads - you can barely find roads that clean in Nigeria even in upper middle class neighborhoods. The Rio Favela is where Michael Jackson did that 'the don't really care about us' song. In Nigeria it could pass for a high end neighborhood considering you don't even consider those dumpshits in Ibadan as slums.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/1_rocinha_favela_closeup.JPG/375px-1_rocinha_favela_closeup.JPG
[img]http://4.bp..com/-JCdPcWzVbVQ/TcMHeqhMIJI/AAAAAAAAAgs/vsTMFOXbots/s1600/Niteroi1.jpg[/img]

One more fact - The GDP of Brazil's largest city - Sao Paulo is bigger than the GDP of Nigeria. The GDP of Rio de Janeiro is almost equal to Nigeria's GDP. So educate me now smart ass. FYI even South Africa can't compare to Brazil development wise. Educate me on how shitty Brazil is.


It's Philipines, not Malaysia. And non of those countries is shitty lol. Show me a city in those countries that looks like Onitsha or Kano or Ibadan.

That I doubt..............Nigerians die on a daily basis trying to get to other countries. One thing I'm sure of though, nobody from those countries would Fancy living in any Nigerian city.

I just went through this pile of shit you wrote above.
You see the problem with you? You do not read and comprehend something very well before you start menstruating with your mouth and fingers.

I never said show me any country 80 million and above that is more progressive than Nigeria. I said show me one that is really progressive. It was never a comparative statement. It was a direct statement.
See the picture of my comment below (picture 1).

No 3rd world country in this world is absolutely free from poverty and a lot of basic challenges. There is a reason they are called 3rd world countries and whether Brazil, mexico, Indonesia or Phillipines they all fall under this category. That is why people from these countries risk it all to illegally migrate to USA and other first world countries in droves just like Nigerians do.

Fillipino and Indonesian women dominate prostitution and househelp workers in the gulf arabic nations and they battle hotly for these positions with your Kenyan sisters and my Nigerian sisters. I have watched countless documentaries of these South -east Asian nations and they really face the same challenges every typical 3rd world country faces!
Mexicans are ready to die in competition for all the menial jobs in the USA like picking grains, washing toilets, sweeping the roads, washing dead bodies, just like Nigerians do in Europe so I do not see much difference between the lives of these people and other third world countries.
That's why I told you that no middleclass Nigerian or African would accept a visa to these countries.
The inequality in all these countries are really terrible. They are all 3rd world middle income and low income countries. If that is progressive to you, then you need to go back to your alma mater and request to collect your school fees back.

Did you just say Germany was colonized by the Romans?
First of all, we are talking of modern colonialism and you take us thousands of years back? All in a bid to defend your dumbness?

Look at the 2nd picture below. That was the height of the Roman empire in the 2nd century AD.

Look at the 3rd picture below, that perfectly answers your stupidity. The Germanic and Nordic peoples (referred to as the barbaric tribes by Rome) never fully came under Roman control.
Can you see why I said you were a lost case?

Now that you have been exposed with Malaysia, you claim that you meant the Phillipines. A lesson for you to learn how to stop your mouth and fingers from menstruating faster than your reasoning.

Nowenuse:
@NairobiWalker. Enough of the bad blood between us ok?
Like, don't you Kenyans ever get tired of arguing and bragging? Jeeez! I give up.
Let us rather focus on complementing Africa.

I am currently enjoying a Kenyan song on my playlist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfohX9VTP2w

These ladies are really very good singers.
Do you know this song? What language are they singing in? Swahili?

So are you going to answer the question I asked you yesterday or you rather prefer bitter arguments?

Are you a troll that feeds on bitter arguments and negativity?

NairobiWalker2:
No, I am not in a position to prove your love for history but one thing I can prove is, you don't know history. For one, if you knew, you wouldn't come up with your ridiculous assertion that no colonized country with over 80M people is doing better than Nigeria. You've probably googled this s**t about Ethiopia after I schooled you. Once more I school you, Ethiopia was not colonized. It was briefly occupied by Italians in 1936 - Occupation is not colonization. See? You don't know much history. You can google but it's easy to poke holes in someone who depends on google.


Wow! You're really a special case aren't you? Now you're changing goal posts again like you always do. Now it's no longer about population and colonization but age of a country right? Anyway, most of the countries I mentioned are more progressed than Nigeria and the worst ones (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan et al) are at the same level with Nigeria. Let me name them for you - USA, Brazil, Germany, China, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Vietnam - they are all more economically progressed than Nigeria.

I didn't say the ratios are exactly the same. I said the Sudan ratios aren't equal between Christian and Muslims like you claimed.


What are you trying to explain to me seriously? I prove to you stuff that you had no idea about and now you turn around and start lecturing me on the knowledge that I just gave you?


Like I told you before:-
The only reasons why countries develop are:-

1. Harmonious living amongst their people.

2. Culture of Discipline

3. Good management with low corruption.

4. Better resource management

You're simply telling me that your country has failed at all those.

You are a lost case

Look at your second paragraph, you mentioned Germany and Malaysia among your progressive countries that were colonized and above 80 million people and you claim to know anything?

Who colonized Germany? Kikuyus?

And since when did Malaysia a country of less than 35 million people become a country of 80 million people?

Can you see where your desperation has landed you?

Mexico is progressive only on paper, the inequality in that country is sickening. A country where drug gangs and cartels control the govt of many cities and are even challenging the govt? Go and learn more about Mexico.

Same with Brazil, a very racist unequal country with some of the largest slums in the world. Recently the whole country stood still and people could not move for almost a week as drivers were on strike due to high Diesel prices. I have a pen friend from Brazil and she cries to me how she wishes to leave the country.

Save for USA and Malaysia which is now a high income economy based on PPP per capital, the rest are shitty middle income and low income countries who citizens are also leaving in droves.
No Nigerian middleclass citizen like myself will accept a visa to any of those countries you listed except for USA.

NairobiWalker2:
So how does this cra.p you posted explain the pros of annual rent pay if I may ask?

In Kenya, there is a 3 months eviction notice so no. That's still not a pro, at least not worth it and it does not help poor people get housing either. Somebody who can raise KES 15K per month but can't raise KES 180K at once won't manage to raise 180K at once just because some 3 month immunity is offered.


That's a question I should be asking you. You're straight out of college on your first job. Your salary is 100K Naira which is about the average salary for a fresh graduate in Nigeria. Annual rent in Sulurele is 700,000 Naira. How are you going to pay and you have nothing and you're straight from the University?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/5268042_vllkyt19tgdgoda0j_f7c289ca_jpeg3652ec4a9ef8c663d68f7d22c67c10f1
https://www.naij.com/1103088-this-graduates-earn-nigeria-starting-salary.html


Dude, you're not saying anything. Just accept annual rent is too expensive for low class people. Even here in Kenya people delay with rent, monthly rent, and it can go for several months depending on how linient your landlord is. But when you rent a house for the first time you must pay rent in full plus a deposit amount which is a percentage of the rent or a full months rent.


I have already confirmed to you several things. There is no way the house you posted can cost an equivalent of 8K per month and definitely no way it's a low class housing (with a Pathfinder parked outside). If that's 8K per month then what is the rent of this which represent what most of Lagos looks like?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Lagos%2C_Broad_Street.jpg/1200px-Lagos%2C_Broad_Street.jpg

3 months eviction notice in Kenya for someone who pays only 1 month rent? Who do you think you are talking to?

In many Nigerian houses, the landlords live in the same compound with the tenants. It is very common to find a rich or high middleclass Nigerian build his beautiful house with his pathfinder parked inside the compound, while he has other 1 bedroom, 2 bedrooms or even 3 bedrooms appartments for rent in the same compound.

So you can find a single bedroom for rent in a beautiful mansion at a cheap price in Nigeria.
Now I see the reasons why you have been arguing fruitlessly with me and disbelieving all my pictures of houses. Jeez! This is why I say we have more constructive debates to learn more from each other rather than this bitter and insultive childish arguments.


Nigeria and Kenya have very different systems.

In Kenya, all houses within a city are built by estate developers hence people of the same social class live in the same estates or neighborhoods.
In Nigeria, it is not like that! Except for Abuja city which is dominated by estate developers, Private individuals have the right to acquire lands and build their choice houses almost anywhere in the city they want to. And most of the private houses are being built by the owners with other smaller appartments available for rent.

This is why housing is relatively cheaper in Nigeria. Estate developers are usually greedy and would want to make maximum profits from their estates WHILE Individuals vary and some landlords being owners of their own houses may not be bothered or eager to make much profit on rent.

From this video I showed you earlier of Warri city, try to picture the finest house in this video below. That finest house will most likely have a one-room appartment for rent which will cost almost the same or even cheaper with other one-room appartments available elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IUhortNLg

In my father's compound, he has a Range rover parked in the compound and my mother's highlander packed in the same compound and they have tenants who pay 200k annually for a modern 2 bedroom flat

NairobiWalker2:
That's exactly what I wanted you to realize so that next time a country performs better than Nigeria, you accept it's because you've underperformed rather than bringing up excuses like population, colonization, religion, civil war, ancient kingdoms, people not demolishing ancient houses and all the crappy excuses you've been giving on this thread.

Some struggles are bigger and more overwhelming than others.