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NairobiWalker2:
There is no pros in annual payment of rent buddy, absolutely no single pro. I know many people who can comfortably pay KES 15K per month but ask them to pay the whole amount for the year (180K) and they wouldn't.

An 'arrangement'. Pretty convenient but it goes without saying that a Landlord would agree a 3 month pay when somebody else is offering a whole year's pay. Considering you normally pay annually, I'm pretty sure most landlords come with a disclaimer that one has to strictly pay a year's rent before being allowed into the house. Anyway, you lie so much that's why you keep contradicting yourself.


Why the sudden change of heart sir? Isn't you the same person who said this?


and your friend added this?


Anyway, like I said before, you're the kind of person who can say anything as long as you want your argument to stand.



The sites you give me are all hoaxes my friend. Lagos is know for it's high rent. I search for rent in Surulere and all I get is in the range of 1M, 2M, 3M with a few costing 500k or 700K and considering much of Surulere is practically a slum then those 500K are probably the slummish ones. It is preposterous for you to post here a big maisonette with an air conditioner and a Pathfinder parked outside claiming it's low class housing in Nigeria costing 350k Naira per year - like, are you so stupid you think everyone is stupid? What kind of a low class person can afford to drive a Pathfinder in Africa? Be careful before you post some of the things you post here. Use some common sense.

It seems like English is your problem.

No agent or site will advertise a monthly rent for instance. Mind you, I never said any agent will accept monthly rent from you, however on special cases, you can appeal for a quarterly or halfyear pay.
I did this while I was in my final year in the university in Benin. I had only 6 months left till I graduated and my rent expired. I explained to my agent and he saw reasons with me and accepted my half year payment. This does not happen on normal occasions, they are exceptions. I wonder what part of this english is so hard for you.

Yes, annual rents come with an immunity of 3-6 months quit notice before you can be forcefully evicted from your appartment. So in a case where I loose my job and my rent expires at the same time. I have some period of grace. You do not have this privilege under monthly pay of rent, do you?
How do you guys even live thinking of paying your rent every month? What if your salary was delayed for that month by your employer, what happens?
In Nigeria, some people even delay their payment for many months by pleading, maybe after 6 months when the agent is tired of pleas, they are issued a quit notice and they enjoy another 6 months (making it 1 year free) before moving out Can that happen under monthly payment?

If you think those sites are all hoaxes, then why don't you contact the agencies and have a friend in Nigeria go and confirm for you if they are real? Or better still come down yourself to verify? Cos I do not know what other info I can give you asides that.

NairobiWalker2:
1. Ethiopia was never colonized. That alone is enough reason to ignore you for getting a simple fact wrong. I decide to help you though.

2. One, there aren't so many countries in the world with 80 Million people and above but those that exist, most of them were once colonized. Basically most countries were once colonized in their history - another fact you got wrong. The British colonized US, Japan colonized large sections of China, The British colonized parts of China too (which are interestingly currently the richest parts of China), Britain was once colonized by the Roman empire (though Britain has less than 80M people), Brazil was a colony of portugal, Mexico was a colony of spain, Indonesia was colonized by the Netherlands, Egypt was colonized by Britain and so was India and Pakistan, Iran wasn;t recently colonized but historically it was repeatedly colonized by different foreign powers the most famous one being Alexander the great's Macedonia, The British Colonized Bangladesh, Phillipines was colonized by Spain and the USA, Vietnam was colonized by France and Germany was once colonized by the Roman Empire. Basically the only countries with over 80 million people that have no records of ever being ruled by an external power are Japan, Russia and Ethiopia. Once again, you provided false information due to lack of knowledge and ignorance and probably shi.t.ty education.

3. Apparently again there aren't many countries that are equally divided into two religions. Even Sudan that you quoted was not equally divided into two. The Muslims were the majority just like Kenya where the Christians are the majority but we have a sizeable Muslim number. For one, if Sudan had equal Muslim and Christians perhaps they wouldn't have separated since the Muslims wouldn't dominate the Christians the way the did forcing the division. In fact the only countries I know that are divided into two religions equally are Nigeria and Tanzania. This means your only example is Tanzania and Tanzania is very stable. You have no reason to face instability due to religion. Once again, you proved your ignorance and lack of knowledge.

4. Population is never a reason to be underdeveloped. Many highly populated countries are developed.

I know all these things you wrote up here very well and more. I am a lover of history.
A good chunk of Ethiopia was occupied by the Italians and Ethiopia once fell to Italy, though for a short time.

Asides America which is around 400 years old, you didn't really show me any large country which is advanced, did you?

Sudan had a larger percentage of christians/Animists than Kenya have muslims. The south sudanese were also heavily united and occupied one uniform region.

Kenyan muslims are not united or share a common region or cultures. The Swahilis to the coasts and the Somalis to the north, very untypical of the south Sudanese. So you see that the analogy is not there.

Tanzania was heavily Swahilized (unified) under one language by Nyerere and tribal differences were enliminated.
Do you know that a Southern Nigerian feels like a complete stranger in Maiduguri for instance? No language, culture or religious similarity. A southern Nigerian feels more welcomed in Cameroon or Ghana than Northern Nigeria.
All Tanzanians speak one language.

NairobiWalker2:
You do realize you're just explaining why Nigeria is so messed up?

The only reasons why countries develop are:-

1. Harmonious living amongst their people.

2. Culture of Discipline

3. Good management with low corruption.

4. Better resource management

You're simply telling us that your country has failed at all those.

No country is without it's struggles.
Some are just fortunate to be more uniform than others.
Uniformity creates a workable environment.
People of unlike minds may not always live in harmony.

NairobiWalker2:
The problem with you is using online blogs to make your conclusions. Everywhere in the world, even in the USA, people complain about low quality housing and cities generally. I could find you a million blogs of Nigerians complaining of high rent in Lagos. BTW you seriously need to read a book. Lagos is the second most expensive city in Africa on housing - I wonder why you keep denying that.

You also realize your yearly payment of rent locks out many Nigerians from accessing decent housing. Most low class people can't pay a year's rent at once. How do you guys even survive? Me for example, I rarely stay in a single place for more than one year continuously due to the kind of job I do. - I can imagine myself paying a years rent in Nairobi then staying for 6 months, move to Mombasa, pay a year's rent stay for three months, move to Eldoret pay a years rent, stay for one month - what a loss? How's do low income people even live with that? No wonder you have so many old poorly maintained houses in your cities. Below is an article of Lagos resident complaining and demanding monthly rent pay.
http://www.informationng.com/2016/04/house-rent-should-be-paid-on-a-monthly-basis-and-affordable-to-all-fct-minister.html

This one here explains that your continous laments of Nairobi catering only for the rich is actually projecting the sufferings of Lagosians and Nigerians. Apparently, your leaders don't care about poor people's housing.
http://saharareporters.com/2018/05/16/lagos-govt-chasing-away-poor-rich-otodo-gbame-evictees-lament

You even pay 5 year rent for business premises? How do poor people survive in Nigeria seriously? You're making me realize Nigeria is even more messed up than I thought.

http://punchng.com/traders-lament-shun-karu-market-over-high-rent/

Just like I said, the Surulere prices you've been posting are false. A three bedroom house in Surulere costs an average of 1.5M Naira - paid annually.
https://newtelegraphonline.com/2017/12/vacant-houses-high-rents-persist-lagos-abuja/

Payment of annual and monthly rents both come with their pros and cons. You should do more research to understand that.

If you want a house for a period shorter than a year, you can have an agreement with your housing agent and you could pay for 6 months or 3 months. I have done that before.
Private ownership of houses is predominant in Nigeria and different house owners have their conditions at times, especially when the demand is high.

Yeah, if you continue to search on different sites and agencies, you will find far cheaper houses in Surulere. Some sites only host modern expensive houses while others host a different range as I have showed you time and over.

NairobiWalker2:
What are you even going on about? City v City, Metro v Metro, whichever way you want Nairobi still thrashes Lagos. lol.



Nakuru is a serene clean city that makes everyone who visits it fall in love with it.
......and what the hell do you mean by market city? lol. Some of the dumb excuses you people give. SMH. Are you trying to say the millions of people in Onitsha don't live in Onitsha but commute there on a daily basis?

Onitsha is a damn large city with over 1M people - whether it's a market city, mining city, school city, port city, toilet city, sex city or whatever dumb name you wish to give it, it doesn't deserve to be in the shape it is. That is a shame to the cities of Africa. You guys really need lessons in city planning - cities like Onitsha, Aba, Abeokuta, Ibadan, Kano et all are really depressing.

Enugu still has nothing on Nakuru other than size though it is a massive improvement from Onitsha.

Enugu
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724655_enuguslum1_jpeg44135297e945c466606d6caef1eae590
https://i0.wp.com/enugustate.gov.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/enugustatewebsite_mexygabriel-1.jpg

I have honestly given up on these arguments, I have a very busy week ahead and won't be available to continue this.
I hope I have clearly proven my points to you and others following and those who will subsequently follow.

Enugu is far more beautiful than you think it is, just free your heart of bad blood and check out threads of Enugu here on nairaland.

NairobiWalker:
Same way I wonder why Nigeria - A country that produces more oil than most oil rich gulf countries, is still competing with Kenya.

A large population and extreme ethno-religous diversity.

How many colonized countries above 80 million people and above are really progressive? India? Philippines? Congo? Ethiopia? Egypt? Indonesia? Bangladesh? Mexico?
As old as countries like Brazil and Mexico are, they are still third world middle income countries

Apart from Tanzania which was heavily Swahilized (unified) by Nyerere. Can you show me another country in the world which is divided into 2 different religions equally that is stable?
Religion split Sudan, It split India. It almost split Lebanon.

It is very unfair for someone to compare Gulf arabic countries of a few million people which are very small 100% sunni muslim arab countries under a single monarch with a heavily populated multi ethnic, multi religious and multi linguistic country with different monarchs and unrelated cultures.

Jay254:
Look at Angola,Botwana and all mineral rich countries. It took a very short time to transform the countries.

We have never had that luck untill recently, without forgetting Kenya is very tribal plus our corrupt system..

Nigeria may look for all excuses in the world to justify it's shit.

Botswana is a very small country by population with a lot of rescources. They should be doing far better than they are now.

Angola which is comparatively bigger, I do not see anything special about them. They are not that developed.

Kenyans are still learners when it comes to tribalism.

Nigeria's tribalism led to a civil war that claimed about 3 million lives.
Thousands of lives are being lost every year in Nigeria due to ethnic and religious clashes.
Do you know that there are Nigerian cities that are polarized by religion? Muslims live on one side and christians on the other side? Has the division in Kenya reached that extent?
Do you know how many Nigerian towns and cities have been burnt to the ground due to ethnic and religious clashes?

Nigeria was Britain's experiment. We were never supposed to be a country.
Before colonization, the different Kingdoms that make up Nigeria were at war with each other. Some were trying to islamize the others.

Save for Ethiopia, I don't think there is another country in Africa or even the world where different warring Kingdoms and empires were amalgamated into one single country. Ethiopia wasn't even amalgamated like Nigeria.

Imagine Kenya being one country with Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi and Ethiopia. Imagine how chaotic it would be. That is what Nigeria is like.

It's unimaginable that you would ignore the effect of a civil war that claimed millions of lives and burnt down many cities and towns to the ground, displaced many more millions, coupled with decades of military rule AND you will call them common excuses.

@NairobiWalker. Enough of the bad blood between us ok?
Like, don't you Kenyans ever get tired of arguing and bragging? Jeeez! I give up.
Let us rather focus on complementing Africa.

I am currently enjoying a Kenyan song on my playlist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfohX9VTP2w

These ladies are really very good singers.
Do you know this song? What language are they singing in? Swahili?

NairobiWalker:
That is Umoja, Buruburu and tena estates. Umoja and tena are low class while Buruburu is lower middle class.

Like I told you, houses in lower class neighborhoods are not advertised on the internet much because they're always high on demand. You posting here OLX adverts to prove a point is just absurd especially considering you search the internet over and over to find the most flattering ones while the prices I find for the places you mention are even higher than prices in Upper middle class Nairobi.

Please show me an extant low class neighborhood in Nigeria like that. You've been avoiding this question for too long.

Gosh! Do you have a coconut for a brain?

Is that not the same Umoja where people pay 10k shillings per month for single bedroom apartments in concentration camp houses?

http://www.ghafla.com/crisis-how-housing-in-nairobi-has-become-a-nightmare-for-millions-of-city-dwellers/

I also showed you houses from propertyPro.com and not only OLX

NairobiWalker:
Because Nairobi city boundaries coincide with Nairobi County boundaries. It's not a lie, it's a fact. Maybe if you read more and used your brain more you would do some research and avoid calling people liars all the time.

Unlike Lagos where both the city and metro are inside the state, in Nairobi the city fills up the county and the metro extends beyond the county.

....and No. Nairobi doesn't contain half of urban Kenya - for the umpteenth time stop being ignorant.

Yes, Nakuru has few dirty parts and Onitsha has few clean parts but Onitsha is largely a dirty city. For your information I didn't even select the dirtier photos of Onitsha to come up with those photos I posted. I simply googled Onitsha and garbage popped up as you can see from the image below. I checked the city on google maps and it's no better.

So, do you think you are making any difference here?

Just as Nairobi city proper has it's own county, Lagos city proper has it's own local government areas.
How on earth would someone join Ikorodu city to Lagos city for instance? They are different cities!

It takes hours from Ikorodu to certain parts of Lagos city and people in Ikorodu completely live their lives independent of Lagos city.

Is there a wall or international boundary that seperates Nairobi from Kiambu and other suburban counties?

Why should you be comparing a city with a state of different cities, are you nuts?

Compare Lagos city with Nairobi city or compare the entire Nairobi urban area to Lagos mega urban area, period.

I also checked Nakuru in google maps and saw nothing impressive about the city.
Onitsha is a market city. A large chunk of it are markets and not residential homes.
Compare Nakuru with Enugu or Owerri. These are the more residential cities where Onitsha business people live.

NairobiWalker:
The only thing close to decent housing that you posted is this one below..........and the rent is monthly (not annual like your lying ass claims) which translates to KES 98K and 112k respectively. You don't want me to show you the kind of house you'll get with 98k or 112k in Nairobi. Dare me.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/7193673_screenshot20180531181425_jpeg98af8801fe698af052f5f45dd3ec9747
www.nairaland.com/attachments/7193674_screenshot20180531181351_pngfc7877702ca53a94b5fb9c7cbf3f5fc3

Hahhaha I laugh in swahili !

No goddamn part of Nigeria pays rent monthly! Except a house on a short lease which is not common at all. Rent is paid per annum.

Just accept defeat. Your desperation is stinking to the high heavens.

NairobiWalker:
Nowenuse can you show me a low class residential neighborhood that is this large and this decent in Nigeria? This is a question you've been avoiding all through.

https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5064/5655137482_2fb5d30750_b.jpg

You don't just attach the word low class to any place with your ugly-faced black Kenyan mouth

You prove they are lowclass by showing us the renting costs of these houses you call lowclass. How much do these lowclass houses cost? Prove with pictures before we can believe you!

NairobiWalker:
Well let's see,

Nairobi's population (City, not Metro) - 4M people = 9% of Kenya's population
Lagos' population = 21M = 12% of Nigeria's population. Indeed many middle class Nigerians don't love living in Lagos.

Anyway, Cities and towns outside Nairobi in Kenya are far better than cities and towns outside Lagos in Nigeria. Anyone would choose to live in Nakuru below rather than Onitsha below anytime.



Onitsha
https://247ureports.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osha-town.jpg
https://allafrica.com/download/pic/main/main/csiid/00331158:5df6663f8180c3de2785b3cc181e23af:arc614x376:w1200.png

Nakuru
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch166ydWwAA1oDp.jpg:large[/img]
https://i0.wp.com/jammytravels.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DSC_0025.jpg

Does lying make you feel good or what? You take only the population of Nairobi city and you take the entire population of Lagos state, is that fair?

Don't you know that Lagos city and Lagos state are 2 different things?
Lagos is a city inside Lagos state. Lekki, Ikeja and Ikorodu are also different cities within Lagos state.

Besides, the so called 21 million people of Lagos metro includes people in neighbouring Ogun state.

Lagos city proper does not have more than 15 million people, while Lagos state proper should not be more than 19 million people (based on 2016 estimates).

So, compare Nairobi city with Lagos city or compare Nairobi urban area with Lagos state. Simple! If we do the comparison either ways, Nairobi still has a higher percentage of Kenya's population than Lagos of Nigeria.

Besides, Nairobi contains more than half the population of urban Kenyans, while Lagos state is 1/5 of urban Nigerians. Can you see the huge difference??


Stop posting old pictures of Onitsha to make you feel good. There are also dirty parts and slums of Nakuru.

This is Anambra state (Onitsha the largest city, Awka the state capital).

obaaderemi:
You are asking for too much. He just posted you an average flat costing Ks5 500,000 and a blog claiming Nairobi has a higher GDP than Lagos and that Lagos has no international embassy. and the blind slumrat called the flat ks5500 instead of the listed price of ks5 500,000 in the advert

NairobiWalker is a lost case. I give up on him.

If it was TayserMahiri, he would have kept quiet out of shame and flee, just like I dealt with him in the past when he argued that Nigeria had more slums than Kenya.

These little Indians are just shameless.

You can imagine the dozens of houses I have been showing him from different sources with their price tags. See the rubbish he showed me. He did not even look at the price well. The post does not even say if the house was for sale or rent or how many bedrooms it had.

NairobiWalker:
That is not Langata dude, that is Umoja, lol. Langata is better than all estates in Lagos.

Anyway since you're obsessed with shady online ads, let me give you one and see what your excuse will be this time.

Show me a house like this in Lagos that costs an equivalent of KES 5,500.

Are you this useless? Your useless picture did not state whether the house was for sale or for rent or how many bedroom it was.
Are you this slow? I am beginning to feel embarrassed debating with you here.

Besides, look at the price of that house again. It says 5,500,000 million. See where your desperation is taking you?

Just accept the fact that Nigerian cities houses are cheaper and more decent relative to cost. It won't kill you!

NairobiWalker:
So these houses look like concentration camps
https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5064/5655137482_2fb5d30750_b.jpg
and these ones look like decent housing?
https://thepress.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/images-36-1.jpeg

Something is wrong with your head - you need it checked

I already gave you a source that Lagos offers too little for too much in terms of housing.
https://qz.com/1017476/rent-is-cheap-in-johannesburg-but-expensive-in-lagos-according-to-new-study/

A good comparison of Lagos v Nairobi is shown below and contrary to what you guys have been yapping over, Nairobi's GDP is actually higher than Lagos.
https://versus.com/en/lagos-vs-nairobi

You yourself are just a shameless fellow.

I am showing you numerous decent houses with their prices! You cannot show me anything! Show me decent Kenyan houses and their price tags na. Is that so difficult for you to do?

Don't show me Langata which only a section of Kiberans numerically spillover into and outnumber. That's dumb.

Show me decent Nairobi houses and their price tags to prove your city. Is that too much to ask for?

Daejoyoung:
Yeah and also in warri where l live you can get a nice 3 bedroom apartment for 300-360 thousand per annum. This is true around warri, and in jakpa, Ekpan to be precise. Though there are more business opportunities in Lagos and some of my family members may prefer Lagos for this reason, but l think I'd rather stay in warri than Lagos.
Also it is an oil based city and so the population of the middle class is considerably high.

I hope people like KiberaWalker aka NairobiWalker can see this.
Many middleclass Nigerians do not like living in Lagos. A lot of us prefer to live in other cities.

While growing up, my father vowed to us that the day his job takes him to Lagos, that same day he will resign that job.

In Kenya, the reverse is the case, everyone wants to live in Nairobi

NairobiWalker:
How can people live in concentration camps? Are you just dumb or you're trolling?

The reason we say you've never been to Lagos is because what you say about Lagos and the real picture on ground are two very different things as a real Nigerian who lives in Lagos said.

I am not trolling! Kenyan low income houses look like concentration camps yet so expensive.

Abuja main city is also very expensive like Nairobi. But as usual, Nigerian cities like I told you are designed for everyone irrespective of your pocket size.
You can enjoy a decent house in any Nigerian city no matter how small your pocket is.... You must not be forced into a congested multi-story building with thousands of people in terribly small rooms without ventilation and yet pay 10k shillings (35,000 naira) per month.

Before you argue with me, read this link below of your fellow Kenyan telling the true story of housing problem in Nairobi.

http://www.ghafla.com/crisis-how-housing-in-nairobi-has-become-a-nightmare-for-millions-of-city-dwellers/

Let us give Lagos a break and move to Abuja which is our capital city.
Look below at the different ranges of price of a single bedroom in Abuja in ascending order of cost. There are more expensive ones and cheaper ones.

Notice that all the houses look very decent no matter how cheap they are. Lower income people must not be dehumanized for the sake of making Nairobi impressive to foreigners. You people must stop living fake lives.

Cc TayserMahiri, Jay254, rvp201822

Note* These houses are from propertyPro.com (a confirmed and legitimate housing company) and not OLX.

TayserMahiri:
am listening.
where do you fall urself? And what business does the local govt have in determining where natives and non natives settle?

Anyone can settle anywhere. Natives tend to live in older houses more often cos those are their ancestral houses.
Some poorer non-natives also live in those native areas and many natives build and live in the modern houses as well.

NairobiWalker:
They're called flats. They are good because they enable high density housing without turning the whole place into slums like these in Lagos CBD.
https://i.imgur.com/TBHLyer.jpg

First of all, Lagos does not have one single place known as CBD, there are several CBDs.

That place in your picture has been demolished long ago, it no longer exists. Verify with your google map.

NairobiWalker:
Nairobi practically beats Lagos in everything good except population.

Nairobi beats Lagos in the number of slums, Concentration camp houses and expensive houses which the overwhelming majority of the citizens cannot afford.

NairobiWalker:
Hahaha..............dude has never been out of his village yet he wants to argue over everything. That's why I asked him to focus on women's dresses and make-up. That's his specialty.

TayserMahiri:
Nowe has this village vybe bout him

Yeah, I am proud to be from Jos (central Nigeria).
I currently live in Warri city in South-south Nigeria.

Both cities have a large urban area of over 1.5 million people. By the next census next year, they would have both clocked 2 million people each. Their economies are growing too.
I visit Lagos occasionally and know the city quite well.

You see, I am happy that Nigeria is not like Kenya where everyone has to live in Nairobi.
The majority of Nigeria's middleclass population do not live in Lagos unlike your one-city country.
I can bet my balls here that all of you Kenyans on this thread live in Nairobi where you are heavily congested in those concentration camp houses that dominate Nairobi

Look at Warri city view below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IUhortNLg

Then see my current location from google map and the view of the area I live. Can you see that here in Nigeria we do not live in concentration camp houses and slums?
When will Kenya ever get to this level?

Ibukunmer:
I can flip the argument around and make the same argument for Kenya. The only reason Nigeria is hanging with Kenya is simply down to the massive natural resources something of which Kenya can only dream of.
Nigeria has so much going for it and yet still can't utilise it.

Economically speaking, I strongly believe we should be where India is currently.
Malaysia and Indonesia is ahead of Nigeria for flip sake.

God forbid for Nigeria to be where India is. What is good about India? A country where 40% of the population still practice open defecation?

Indonesia is also not too better than Nigeria.

Malaysia is the only country you mentioned above that is clearly better than nigeria.

And yes, Nigeria would have been better than Malaysia if not for the civil war and decades of military rule.

NairobiWalker:
Dude, showing tiny photos of house interiors don't prove shit especially in Nigeria - home to yahoo boys. People will advertise a shitty building and put wrong pictures online only for somebody to end up in a hellhole like this one in Surulere. A house like this going for 300k Naira per year is a rip off. In Kenya houses that look like this are mostly old government houses that go almost for free.
https://d2s7s7gc7vwpa.cloudfront.net/large/bungalow-house-IlGQS-80607.jpg

Don't you have any single shame?

Why don't you show us pictures of these beautiful affordable houses in Nairobi? You just keep on running your mouth here without showing anything.

I am showing you prices of real houses and you are hating, claiming they are a scam. You are completely shameless!

I will keep on disgracing here with cheaper and better looking houses in Lagos. Compare them with your concentration camps in Umoja that are more expensive.

Ibukunmer:
I can flip the argument around and make the same argument for Kenya. The only reason Nigeria is hanging with Kenya is simply down to the massive natural resources something of which Kenya can only dream of.
Nigeria has so much going for it and yet still can't utilise it.

Economically speaking, I strongly believe we should be where India is currently.
Malaysia and Indonesia is ahead of Nigeria for flip sake.

Nigeria was doing absolutely fine before the exploration of crude oil.

What is the percentage of crude oil in our GDP?

obaaderemi:
Don't let them deceive you as they have deceived many Nigerians here. Rent in Nairobi is far more expensive than in Lagos, even for very poor houses. Here is a Nairobi resident talking and not these slum rats you are arguing with... How can someone pay 10000 shillings for a room without ventilation?

http://www.ghafla.com/crisis-how-housing-in-nairobi-has-become-a-nightmare-for-millions-of-city-dwellers/

James Kinyua,an Uber driver,for example,is a
perfect representation of the nightmare proper
housing in Nairobi has become.
“I live around Roysambu… In a tiny bedsitter that has
almost everything crammed onto one – the toilet,the
bed area,the living room area,the kitchen and the
sinks are so close apart,it’s like a movie set in a
war-torn country. The room barely has space… It’s
all crammed up and cluttered. And I pay ten
thousand shillings a month. For that little,dark
unventilated space, “ James says,sadly.

Thank you very much for this piece.

NairobiWalker & Jay254 obviously live in Kibera and have no idea how expensive and scarce the houses are in Nairobi proper.
How shameful!

NairobiWalker:
Not all houses in Umoja go for 15K. The majority that you quote go for less than 7k per month and are mostly 1 bedroom and bedsitters. The inside is okay though...........the particular street you quoted just seems to be in a bad shape. Probably a crook contractor didn't complete his job. All in all, they're still way better than those Surulere slums you pay 15k for. BTW, how come we Kenyans have talked about low class estates like Umoja, Zimmerman, Jericho, Roysambu, lower middle class like Donholm, Buruburu, Nairobi West, Mid Middle Class like Lang'ata and Madaraka yet you just stuck on Surulere? Are there no more neighborhoods in Lagos?

Hahaha. Can you please show us these cheaper houses and their price tags? Thanks.

Lagos is bigger than you can imagine. Lagos is too big to classify into neighborhoods like Nairobi.

Lagos state is classified into cities, towns and local government areas.
Only one of these local govt areas sometimes have over 1 million people with both rich, middleclass and low income neighborhoods. That's why Lagos state is 6 times the size of Nairobi.
Nairobi is just like one of the cities that make up Lagos state.

Listing different neighborhoods within different towns of Lagos state would just be too confusing to you folks hence I focused on Surulere.

NairobiWalker:
An online advert won't fool us dude. People post online different goods from what they're actually selling. Again the photo in your advert is not enough to fool even the most stupid person that the house is actually decent. These are the actual houses that are going for that kind of money.
https://reic-ng.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/slum.jpg

In Nairobi, these kind of old and badly maintained houses go almost for free like these ones in Shauri Moyo, Nairobi. They go for less than KES 2000 monthly.

https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/1152824/highRes/129438/-/maxw/600/-/83otx6z/-/PIX.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2725010694_214665b7de.jpg
https://img.webme.com/pic/z/ziwani/DSC07466.JPG

I will keep on exposing your shameless ass here!

Look at different pictures (the balcony, living room, bedroom and kitchen) from one house in Surulere and see the price. What else do you want? You can contact the agency yourself and make inquiries for yourself.

NairobiWalker:
Compare it with these houses in Jericho that go for KES 500.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Jericho_nairobi_street1.JPG/1200px-Jericho_nairobi_street1.JPG

Can you see the godforsaken Barack houses that go for 17k shillings per month in Umoja?

How do people even breathe in these overcrowded houses? It looks like a concentration camp!

Jay254:
Which region is dominant in those areas?

I look at Kenya and wonder why Kenya as a country is still competing with countries like Nigeria that fought a civil war for 3 years where millions of lives were lost and many cities burnt to the ground.

Kenya has been enjoying democracy since independence, unlike Nigeria that was ruled by the military for decades. The military rule stalled our progress and took us many years backwards.

Otherwise, Kenya as a country would never have been able to compete with Nigeria. The military rule destroyed everything.

What excuse does Kenya have for still being this backward?

NairobiWalker:
You can only say it's cheap until you see the actual house. To me these houses shouldn't even cost 15k. These houses resemble those Swahili houses in Majengo Slums that cost less than 1k per month. Surely who'll pay 15k for this crap in Nairobi?
https://images.nigeriapropertycentre.com/properties/images/132072/585103_132072-old-block-of-4-nos-of-3-bedroom-flats--block-of-flats-for-sale-masha-surulere-lagos-.jpg

Stop spreading lies.
This house below is half the price of those in Umoja. Does it look like the one above?

Jay254:
When I google jos plateau I see alot of death, is the place a Bokoharam zone?

Yes, it was because this area experienced a lot of ethno-religious clashes in 2006, 2008 and 2010.
Clashes that claimed thousands of lives.