₦airaland Forum

Jay254:
The development happening in those areas is big after formation of county govt. It's very easy to change the area due to it's small population.

Don't behave like North and south are so united and one.

Northern and southern Naija are like two different countries..From religion, politics,development, Culture..

Yes, your county govt will go a long way in urbanizing Kenya and developing the northern region. I however think those counties are too much in number. 47?

That was the same mistake Nigeria made. We created too many states. Well actually the military regime did and it heavily crippled our govt.

If Nigeria had maintained our first 12 states, it would have been better. Our 12 state capital cities would have been much bigger, richer and more well-maintained.

So, how does the political and religious difference between northern & southern Nigeria relate to our discussion here?

Jay254:
15k is too cheap for atwo bedroom. Am sure the rate in Lagos is higher than your small village.

No it is not cheap, especially in the cheapest part of the city like Roysambu.
I have no problem if a 2 bedroom apartment costs more than that in Madaraka or anywhere in Langata, but in places like Roysambu or Umoja, it is a problem.

I can show you modern houses within Surulere low middleclass neighborhoods that cost half that price. In the pure Lagos low class neighborhoods, you can get a 2 bed room apartment for 1/3 or even less of that price, depending on how low the neighborhood is.

Jay254:
Jos plateau

I just saw this post from you.

Jos is the state capital of my state of origin.
No mud houses exist within Jos city like the one in your second picture. It could be an outskirt community but never within Jos city.

Use your google map to scan through the length and breadth of Jos-Bukuru city and tell me if the majority of the houses you see look like what you post up here.

These are google satellite images for Jos below.

Jos city has a very big natural wildlife park within the city as you can see below in the last picture.

NairobiWalker:
Actually Northern Kenya is over half of Kenya with less than 10 million people because it's arid. You're wasting you time with this boy

Here are counties that constitute Northen Kenya
Turkana - Area - 68, 680 sq. km - Population - 855,399
Samburu - Area - 20182 sq. km - Population - 223987
Marsabit - Area - 66,923 sq. km - Population -291166
Mandera - Area 25,978 sq. km -Population - 1,026,000
Wajir - Area 55,841 sq. km - Population - 661,941
Garissa - Area 45,720 sq. km - Population - 623,060
Isiolo County - Area 25,336 sq. km - Population - 143,294

Total Area - 308,660 sq. km = 53%
Total Population = 3,681,550

That's only 3.6 million people living in over 53% of the area. Northern Kenya is basically empty land. Only a fool will expect us to build a city in such land. Kenya's population is very unevenly distributed (since precolonial days) and the only reason for this is climate. You don't expect people to live in dry unproductive lands. Even the remaining 47%, Kitui, Tana River, Kajiado and Narok counties occupy almost 40% of it with a total population of less than 3 million - this basically means 80% of Kenyans live in 30% of the land.

Jay254:
Well put.

Do you guys think you can deceive anyone here? Nigerians are smarter than that.

If the total population of the northern areas is 3.6 million based on the 2009 Kenyan census. Don't forget that in the same 2009 census, Kenya had only 38 million people. So, that is around 10% of your freaking population.
Only in Africa are we going to hear someone claiming that 10% of a country's population are completely insignificant. That's absolute trash and unreasonable.

North-east Nigeria occupies almost 1/3 of the landmass of Nigeria and contains about 20-30 million people (also approx 10% of our population). Yet they are not underestimated as such.

Jay254:
Those Nigerians who've been in Kenya especially around Roysambu(anigerian hood in Nairobi)kindly educate this guy...

I will give you a Real Example in Roysambu acheap two bedroom apartment will cost 15k while a premium one will cost 40k-60k.If you check online for an apartment in Roysambu you will only see the premium ones, cheap are very easy to fill hence they do not advertise.

I didn't know extreme North was better than Middle belt. Share the Pics..

You see that's the problem. 15k shillings (53k naira) per month is too expensive for a 2 bedroom appartment in a place like Roysambu.
In Lagos, any 2 bedroom apartment that will cost that much will be mostly a very beautiful modern bungalow or single story building in a purely middleclass neighborhood.
You can get half the price or even 1/3 to 1/4 of the price if you go to purely lower income neighborhoods.

I hope you can see my point.

Kano

NairobiWalker:
I showed you pictures of better and cheaper and cleaner neighborhoods than those slums in Lagos that you don't want to call slums. I wonder why you're so hellbent on your notions that Kenyan houses are too expensive for the ordinary citizen. lol

Stop telling lies. You never showed me any cheap neighborhood. Prove that you did!

I always showed you modern houses half the price of the ones you showed me here in Nigeria.

Umoja is not clean. So many dirty pictures of it with it's multi-Story style, yet still expensive. What is the average monthly income of a low income Nairobian for them to be able to afford such monthly rents?

Jay254:
Do you argue to understand or Win?

You have never been in Kenya yet you claim to know our country better than us.

You were complaining we do not showcase the Northern Kenya.. we Just shared... Kindly share what Northern Naigeria has and not the middle belt.

Pls what are you saying? Why did you not show me the cheaper houses you claim exist in Umoja which is different from the ones we see online, then see if I will argue anymore?.
You claim something exists and I ask you to show me. Is that a crime?
I understand your points and explanations and I ask more questions based on the further researches I did, what is wrong with that?

I have not gone through your pictures of northern kenya. I am just about to.


Hahaha, mind you, the core-north of Nigeria is even more developed than the middlebelt. I bet you never knew this . Kano & Kaduna cities are in the core-north.
A large chunk of we middlebelters migrated to the core-north for better opportunities in the past until we got Abuja (the new capital of Nigeria) in our region in 1992.
This was because the Hausa-fulanis dominated the old northern region which our people were a part of.

Jos and Ilorin were the only major urban areas in the middlebelt and Kano & Kaduna are more developed than both cities.

Jay254:
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Btw the Northan Kenya is not as populated as the Northern Nigeria, the whole region has less than 10m people, the Region has so much potential but so few peole. In some areas you can drive 50-100km without spotting asingle person.

We have small nice towns in the north.. I will share if you insist.

Hmm. Ok. What is the size of northern Kenya compared to the entire Kenya?
Northern Nigeria (by constitutional definition) occupies more than 75% of the entire landmass of Nigeria. I don't think that northern Kenya occupies as much of Kenya as that. Though, northern Nigeria has about 90 million people. But just to let you know that it is not as densely populated as you think it is.

Perhaps, the reason why the region had so few people was cos it remained underdeveloped for a long time and a lot of the natives had to migrate away.
For instance the northwest and southwest in Nigeria have the largest populations, but a very large chunk of these populations are not native to those regions. Both regions had larger urban areas and developments in the past which attracted people from other regions.

That asides, these smaller towns in the north. Can they serve as economic centres to the people? Do they have industries? Are there quality banking and insurance services there? Do they have local and international airports? Can they access high network services like 4G network services for example?

For a region of 10 million people, I think they at least deserve a city of at least 1- 2 million people to serve as an economic centre of it's own.

Jay254:
In Kenya houses are not Expensive at all ask Pavore a Nigerian who has been here for long, Or any Nigerian who has been here for long. We pay one month Rent and a month deposit for anew house unlike Nigeria where you have to pay ayear or so for anew house.

Most of the cheap houses will never be advertised coz the demand is there, When you see places like Umoja, Pipeline, Donhom,Kayole, ... Advertising houses just know the the rate is beyond the reach of many people around that place... Amsure is the same in Nigeria...

Houses are expensive in Kenya. Ask NairobiWalker who has been with me on this battle journey and ran away.

Yeah, I understand that rent is being paid per month in Kenya which comes with it's advantages, However I think it also comes with more disadvantages. What if a salary earner looses his job and it takes him a long period to get another job? He will automatically be evicted from his house.
In Nigeria, after paying rent for a year, you get at least 3-6 months extra of quit notice before you can be expelled from your apartment. This at least gives you enough time and some form of immunity, don't you think?

Umoja contains the cheapest low income houses in Nairobi and all the houses in Umoja seem to have the same style and pattern and therefore should have the same range of costs.

If you say that there are cheaper houses in Umoja compared to the ones we can see online. Can you pls show us how these cheaper houses look like?

Also, why does the Kenyan govt not give private individuals (not estate developers), the access to lands to build houses? If not within the city, at least on the outskirts of the city. This would have made housing relatively cheaper.

kikuyu1:
Ofc,a young immature JAMB failure still living with mummy with no idea of the world outside Bumfvkc,N Dangoteland , obsessed with handbags and light skinned homos, incapable of any type of reasoning process will now lecture us on our neighbours successes!
GTFOH!!

So, is this the best you can do? Resorting to personal attacks instead of facing the issue on point?
How well do you know me for you to give any opinion about me?
Do not degenerate this low and take us to issues of personal comparison, cos you will not like the outcome of it.

Nowenuse:
Hmmm, I will give you an all round disgrace for your lying ass here.
So, you mean Umoja is solely for low class Kenyans?

Look below and see the lowest house rent prices I could find for for a 2 bedroom appartment in Umoja.
Over 700,000 naira per annum?

then compare it with that of Surulere where such can be gotten for half the price!

Now, I see why the majority of Nairobians live in slums. It seems like housing in Nairobi is quite expensive.. And mind you, Surulere is not even the cheapest part of Lagos, as it still has lots of middle class people.

Another thing is that these 2 bedroom appartments in Umoja are all multiple story buildings (barack houses as we say in Nigeria, with so many tenants and no privacy) where people must climb 5 or 6 story building to get to their houses at the top, yet still so expensive. And this is supposed to be the poorest part of Nairobi save for the slums.

Please I need other Kenyans to help me explain this. Why is house rent in Nairobi so expensive?

TayserMahiri, mtis, kikuyu1, rvp20182

How come all of you guys could not give me a response till now on why Kenyan houses are so expensive and unafordable for the majority of Kenyans?

After all the bragging from you guys especially that KiberaWalker aka NairobiWalker? Just see how I disgraced and exposed you here.

We are still waiting till now for an explanation.

I think the Kenyan govt does not cut it's coat according to it's size. Why build cities and houses that are unaffordable to the majority of Kenyan citizens? Are they being built for the rich Indians and Somali business men and their families?
If your govt does not stop this madness in Kenya, your slums will keep on growing larger.

In Nigeria, no matter how low your income is, you can still afford a decent housing in any urban area because there are neighborhoods that suit every pocket size.

As expensive as Abuja main city is because it was built from the scratch, there are still many cheaper suburbs and satelite towns within Abuja metro where one can get a decent house for a very cheap price.

Kenya as a country is a scam if you ask me. A very discriminatory country where many portions of the population have less or no rights.

Things are being done in Kenya to impress the world and to show off, not necessarily for the wellbeing and happiness of the majority of the population.


Just as I read that Garissa and the entire northern Kenya were just connected to the national power grid in 2016.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000201941/northern-kenya-is-finally-connected-to-national-grid

That means that since independence till now, almost the entire northern region of Kenya with it's millions of people never had access to electricity while Nairobians brag of enjoying 24 hours electricity?? Is that fair? Is that not discrimination at it's highest level?

As far back as decades, the entire Nigerian urban areas all over the nook and crannies of the country had access to power. In the state where I live, some rural areas even enjoy more stable power than those in urban areas.

My small hometown of origin with barely 30,000 people in the more vast underdeveloped northern region of
Nigeria has been connected to electricity many years before I was born.

Only mostly interior rural areas of Nigeria have not been connected to electricity till now, but in every state in Nigeria, at least half to 3/4 of the population have been connected to electricity for long.


You can imagine, Since there are millions of Somalis and Oromos in Kenya. I asked for you guys to show me at least one native Somali or Oromo city or urban economic centre in Kenya and I couldn't get any till now.

So, why has a large part of the country been kept so underdeveloped till now? What sort of discrimination is that? So these Somalis and Oromos have to travel hundreds of miles to Nairobi to access major urban amenities or services that can only be available in cities?


Now I see how different Kenya is from Nigeria and how different your development is from ours.

Nigeria as a country has the mentality of 'A father dividing one loaf of bread equally among his 10 children so that everyone has a taste no matter how small it may be'
WHILE

kenya is more like 'A father dividing a loaf of bread among some children, satisfying them well, while leaving the others to starve'.

TayserMahiri:
Natives and non-natives? That sounds like serious segregation in your city

There is no real segregation. Many of the modern houses in the city are also owned by the same natives.

West Africa has been a densely populated area compared to East Africa where large swathes of the lands were uninhabited.
So, it has always been difficult for you to move many kilometers in Nigeria without finding a native settlement.

Urban areas develop into native settlements. The natives cannot vacate their ancestral lands because of urbanization.

The only form of segregation comes with local government and community government rights and privileges of indigenous communities.

TayserMahiri:
You must be living in a slum Nowe. Those things with antennae over there are slums

That's not even Nigeria to begin with. Show us a full picture and tell us the names of the places.

MPSA:
Most of you think as if whites arrived yesterday in South Africa, SA whites are like me, We share so many things with them, We are all South Africans, You must put that one in your mind, Shoprite belongs to us South Africans, The same way with your soccer team

Ok, so why don't you go and compare your SA with fellow European countries whose foundations were laid by white people?

There is no sense in comparing countries whose foundations were laid by black africans with that of white Europeans.

NairobiWalker:
Dude, it's simple................when you have ancient houses in your country, you either choose to demolish them or keep them and maintain them. That's what happens worldwide and that's why those European cities have very old buildings yet they are very clean and beautiful. It's absurd to keep cities this dirty and this ugly in the name of conserving culture - nobody would respect you for having cities that look like this.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724294_20130703110715_full_jpeg7ccfede4411bf462e73178e0406d50cc

Yeah, we know that. But does that qualify these places as slums with the likes of Kibera? Certainly not! And that is the main issue here.

NairobiWalker:
The photos I posted are definitely not of litter washed by floods. Look son, look.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724192_ajegunlelagosslumnigeria_jpege7c935ae2d296c980caf68e5fa8834e9

First of all. Let me make you know that this picture is an old picture of Ajegunle many years ago. Nowhere in Ajegunle currently looks like this right now.

Besides, how do you know if the litters in this street were not washed there by floods?
Those houses in the street are well built concrete houses which must have been there for a long time. They couldn't have been built on these litters. The litters came to meet those permanent structures there.

This picture below, if the street is not tarred and these numerous litters are not cleared away after the water dries up. It would be no different from that of the Ajegunle picture.

NairobiWalker:
Definitely when an economy is doing well, everything improves. You would be an idiot to think the GDP can more than double while the middle class remains stagnant.

Gosh. Do I have to educate you little indians all the time.

Do you know that Equatorial Guinea has the highest income per capital in Mainland Africa save for Mauritius?
Equatorial Guinea is the only country that qualifies for a proper middle income country in Africa. Infact in GDP (ppp) per capital it is regarded as a high income economy with the likes of European countries. Yet with all the economic growth, there is still widespread poverty in the country. This is because the country has a very corrupt government and elite class who hold on to the majority of the country's wealth.

African countries like SA that are far larger in size than EG (Equatorial Guinea) and barely up to half in per capital income compared to EG rank higher in HDI than EG.
EG keeps on growing in GDP, but it does not reflect in the life of it's citizens.
Mauritius that has a per capital income as high as EG and also small in size like EG is doing far far better than EG. Poverty is non-existent there, and it is ranked as a high HDI country.

So, it is even very possible for a country's economy to grow while it's middleclass population reduces.

NairobiWalker:
You're really pathetic. The whole street is a sewage, there are people defeacating openly in the same neighborhood and you're really adamant. lol. So according to you that's not a slum?

Stop being stupid and think and analyze before you write.
That picture of open defecation was different from the first one. Look closely!

Also look at this picture below. A flood washed away litters from a dump site into this street. The water will dry up leaving this litters behind. Will that make this street a slum? It will simply leave it an unsanitized street. Get the difference! Don't just rush to make a comment cos you want to make a point!

NairobiWalker:
The current one is even more embarassing to you. See.

Kenya's GDP 2010 = $40 billion
Kenya's GDP 2018 = $88 billion
% Increase = 120%

Nigeria's GDP 2010 = $369 billion
Nigeria's GDP 2018 = $410 billion
% increase = 11%

It's clear Kenya's mid class has increase way more than Nigeria's.

You of all people should know that middleclass percentage is not a direct function of the GDP nor per capital of a country. It is how well the wealth is evenly spread.
Kenya's GDP might increase by 2 folds, but what difference does it make if the additional fold is limited to the hands of Indians, Somali business men, Kenyatta and their families?

Also, tell us the source of your chart. What is the source? Is that so difficult?

obaaderemi:
Even Ghana's middle class is larger than Little India's. Tanzania will soon overtake them as their best brains waste away here captured by the charm of nairaland.

Hahaha. Little Indians brag more than their power. The way they actually brag about issues, if you are not careful, you will actually fall for it and take their country with some high esteem. Only for you to discover that it's nothing.

Otherwise why should countries like Ghana & Cameroon have a higher middleclass percentage than almighty Little India? The largest economy in East Africa?

I actually take Tanzanians more seriously than Kenyans. They don't brag much, but achieve a lot.

NairobiWalker:
Middle Class is measured by percentages
www.nairaland.com/attachments/5302697_laclassemoyenneenafriqueen2010_jpeg6e185b2b22775f435ba1060118511d36

Pls this chart is very outdated! What is the source? And what the heck is floating class?

NairobiWalker:
These houses have toilet facilities and ceilings?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724192_ajegunlelagosslumnigeria_jpege7c935ae2d296c980caf68e5fa8834e9

Yes they do. Post the full pictures of the houses and let us analyze them, and not just the front side or a part of it.

I don't see how that open defecation picture relates to the subject of houses.

You must not make a fool of yourself all the time.

rvp20182:
I am not sure how far that nativity goes -In Kenya we have two scenario

1) Hinterland(mainland) slums .Most of slums in Kenya were established by Sudanese Immigrants - the Nubians whom the British brought as Army in most of East Africa - these people of course are not natives - so they couldn't get land and had to build those slums in gov reserve land - natives later joined them for cheap housing & livehood. Kibera & Mathare & Majengos in every Kenya towns - are Nubian - Kibra is Nubian word.

2) Coastal Towns are very similar to Nigeria- Here people have lived in the cities for centuries - upto maybe 1,000 yrs ago - we are talking Mombasa all the way to LAMU. Those towns have "old town" and "New town". But still the town is planned. You don't have old town spreading all over. People who live in Old towns are also required to re-generate the town - at very least they are required to re-paint their houses.

Our old towns are not slums...the houses are repainted - streets are cleaned - and they are not overcrowded dumps like Nigeria

For instance Mombasa old town - has never been a slum - like Nigeria slum cities.
Mombasa Old town in 15th Century.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/City_mombassa_1572.jpg/1024px-City_mombassa_1572.jpg
Mombasa Old town now
https://www.kenyatraveltips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/mombasa-old-town.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Entering_the_old_town%2C_Mombasa.jpg

Jay254:
I always say old is Gold what you need is to have agood Maintainance culture..

In Kenya old towns of Mombasa and Lamu are protected by UNESCO World Heritage sites. Yet the place is beautiful and crowded with tourist from around the world.

The states or govt in Nigeria should get involved in this.. Kano should be one of the most visited places in Africa... But it's in Nigeria.

I understand you, but why should you be comparing old towns built by coastal arabs of east africa to that of black africans.

We all knew that arabs had more exposure and sophistication in architecture than us. No matter how well our old towns are maintained, they still cannot measure up, cos lots of them were built in primitive fashions back then.

Also, some of these our old houses were built during the colonial era and not necessarily pre-colonial. They are regarded as family houses as it was built by great-grand parents and grandparents.
In some of our cultures in Nigeria, it is forbidden to demolish your fathers house, no matter how old it may be.
There are cases where young people will want to demolish these old houses and build newer ones and their parents will rebuke them, claiming that the old house was a symbol of their achievement and pride back in the day. So, they go to the modern parts of the city to build and buy their own modern houses.

There is a very strong cultural aspect to this thing.


So, I want to ask, couldn't the Sudanese immigrants in Kenya at least build houses with some form of modernity or permanent structure? Cos all over Kenyan slums you see no elements of modernity or a permanent structure.

NairobiWalker:
It doesn't matter how a slum is formed. We don't care if the devil came with it from hell in the middle of the night and dropped it in your city. What matters is it is a slum.

Can you prove that they are slums like Kibera?

Most of those houses you call slums have modern toilet and kitchen pipe facilities.
They are built with concrete blocks and are appartment styled. They have ceilings, cemented floors, a solid foundation.

They cannot be classified as slums in like fashion with Kibera or Mathare where most structures are built with temporary materials.

NairobiWalker:
Kenya has reovertaken Ethiopia as East Africa's largest economy. You're so unlearnt yet want to have an opinion on everything.

Jay254:
Kenya is back to it's position in East Africa...

All that crap you've written over there only exist in your mind vist African countries and you will realise how major projects are done.

Hmm, the last time I checked Ethiopia was still ahead of Kenya. Can you guys show some sources? According to some sources, they are still ahead of you guys.

Besides, that still doesn't make a difference cos Ethiopia was ahead of Kenya. What differences were observed in ET? Since a foolish person asked 'what differences are observed in Nigeria' since we overtook SA as the largest economy in Africa.

Jay254, if you like agree with my points, if you like, do not agree, that is your headache. Your deluded mind still does not change the point that Nigeria has the largest middleclass in africa, largest ongoing projects, largest african start-ups in the last 1-2 decades and largest entertainment industry.

Prove us wrong if you can!

Nowenuse:
Okay. Let us get the differences here. Cos I see that Kenyans have been echoing a misconception about Nigerian cities for a long time now.


In Nigeria, there is a very very strong indigeneship context. Every city or urban area has natives.
The natives of a city are not usually relocated in the expansion of a city. And this is what usually give rise to the poor areas and older sections of Nigerian cities which you guys think is the major definition of the city.

In Warri city where I live for instance, the modern parts of the city mostly dominated by non natives are very different from the slumish like houses in which most of the poorer natives live.

Look at this first picture below. It is from the city I live.

Can you see the B part of the picture? See how crowded and rusty the houses look? It is dominated by the natives. Look at the A part, can you see the difference?

NairobiWalker, Jay254, mtis, TayserMahiri, kikuyu1 et al

So, next time before you guys conclude the entire Nigerian cities as being slums, kindly use your google maps and access the length and breadth of the city.

Except for cities like Ibadan, Kano and Abeokuta where the natives occupy a very large part of the city, thereby making the older sections of the city large in comparison to the modern parts. Other Nigerian cities have an extremely larger part of it being modern and occupied by non-natives.

In Nigeria, only Abuja city which was entirely built from the scratch had all it's natives completely relocated and all the lands in the city being confiscated by the govt and every single housing unit within the city being built by the government and estate developers.
But even at that

Other Nigerian cities only have sections of the city being developed by the government and estate developers while the original natives of the city have ownership over the remainder of the city.

This is why full blown slums are very difficult in Nigerian urban areas cos housing is cheaper as ordinary individuals have access to lands to build houses.

rvp20182:
Yeah there is no master-plan; no zoning; no strict building code; no building plans get approved; you wake up and build whatever you want. In most of Kenya that is just not possible - that is only possible on illegal slums build in public land - and those are not increasing - but are reducing daily.

In Nairobi - the slums were illegally build near posh estate and occupied mostly domestic and such kind of lowly paid workers -- but I doubt as we speak if there is someone still building a slum in Nairobi now - it mostly a 80s/90s lapse of enforcement.

https://qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/an-aerial-photo-of-kibera-in-nairobi.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=3200
https://qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/dji_0380-edit.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=1920
https://qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/dji_0395.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=940

Okay. Let us get the differences here. Cos I see that Kenyans have been echoing a misconception about Nigerian cities for a long time now.


In Nigeria, there is a very very strong indigeneship context. Every city or urban area has natives.
The natives of a city are not usually relocated in the expansion of a city. And this is what usually give rise to the poor areas and older sections of Nigerian cities which you guys think is the major definition of the city.

In Warri city where I live for instance, the modern parts of the city mostly dominated by non natives are very different from the slumish like houses in which most of the poorer natives live.

Look at this first picture below. It is from the city I live.

Can you see the B part of the picture? See how crowded and rusty the houses look? It is dominated by the natives. Look at the A part, can you see the difference?

NairobiWalker, Jay254, mtis, TayserMahiri, kikuyu1 et al

NairobiWalker:
Nairobi is well planned - you can clearly see the boundary between a slum and normal housing because slums are mostly built illegally on government land. However in countries like Nigeria it seems people can buy land and build slums on it since you find pocket of slums everywhere and ever the 'normal housing' are just slums though they are not referred to as such because to them 'the concept of a slum' is non-existence.
Look at this neighborhood in Lagos for example, they wouldn't call it a slum but practically it's a slum.
https://reic-ng.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/slum.jpg

You don't just pick one or 2 illegal structures out in a place and call it a slum. That's extreme dumbness.

NairobiWalker:
Slum is not a concept. A slum is a slum - something tangible, something you can see with your eyes...............you can choose to call it some other name but if it's a slum it's a slum. Stop living in denial. Please explain to me how this place in Onitsha is not a slum?
https://spectascope.com/media/posts/img/polluted2017072709.jpg

Nowhere in Onitsha is a slum. Show us the entire aerial view of the place you call a slum.

This picture just shows an unsanitized dump area.

kikuyu1:
Makoko still stands off the 3rd mainland bridge!? The governor has tried to raze the slum but it keeps getting rebuilt since there's no alternative unlike Kibera where the government builds houses.

I never said that the entire Makoko has been destroyed. I only said a good part of it has.

Are you talking of Kibera where the slum dwellers rent out the government houses and return to the slums?

GERALD710:
1.Nigerians do not make a forum popular.Kenyatalk has plenty of East Africans contributing.Nigerians cannot participate easily on Kenyatalk simply because half the conversations are in Swahili,which you Nigerians do not understand.Tanzanians are the second largest group on Kenyatalk followed by Congolese,Ugandans and Rwandans.
We all have one thing in common.Even if the posters post in either English or Swahili,we can all understand!!!
Nigerians ARE obsessed with Kenyans.This thread was not started by a Kenyan.
The entertainment section of Nairaland mentions Kenyan stories more than any other nation except Nigeria,itself.
How is that not obsession

You can never find Nigerians on a kenyan forum even if you guys speak pidgin English over there, except perhaps Nigerians living in Kenya.

Hardly do you ever find any Nigerian interested in Kenyan affairs. You guys are not worth the attention to us.
Do you know how weird my friends and family take me to be just because I tune into East african TV stations occasionally?

Jay254:
Poor guy.. What do you say about the 100m people in Nigeria who do not even have atoilet.

Only around 40 million practice open defecation in Nigeria, so stop lying.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.STA.ODFC.ZS?end=2015&start=2015&view=bar