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So apart from quoting blogs talking about reliability , wound theories ,,..and the superior infantry calibre ; you guys haven't been able to prove how 5.56 round will hit harder than NATO 7.62 round.?

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Just30:
except we are not talking about a magnum but a Winchester/NATO variant

No diversion, clown

Which ever the case from the images tell me which rifle is superior using your wound theory.

Just30:
As an infantry on the battle field carrying out an assault, you don't need weight drawing you down.
Infantries rejected it in 1954 and they've done same again.

Still doesn't make it less superior.

Just30:
you see how it is just a straight wound?

You see how it's fragmentation is lesser than the 5.56 hence lesser secondary wound?

You are clown fragmentation seems to be your newly discovered term.
Prove to me that the 5.56 wound is more lethal/ superior than a Lapua magnum.338

jl115:
100% true

Not unless you can prove it.

Just30:
the fact that it's the dominant shooting bullet of the US military shows it superiority..

The wound report I posted shows it superiority

Preference due to reliability is not superiority.
There are way more superior ammo but that doesn't mean 5.56 is superior since it is used by US military.
The mere fact that 7.62 x 51 has more energy than 5.56 makes it superior end of story.

jl115:
as an infantry calibre it is superior....

Not true.

Just30:
Open a dictionary and find out what lethality is

The wound profile from both bullets does not prove your theory

Prove to me that a 5.56 (apart from the fact it's lighter.) Is superior to a 7.62 x 51 end of story...

Just30:
I've already done

You are the one still here arguing when you don't know that a bullet wound profile shows it lethality

Lethal in terms of what ?... killing.?. .as far as I know a 7.62 x 51 will kill you faster than a 5.56
Quote me when you can prove ortherwise .

Just30:
It is 100% more lethal to the human body than a 7.62.

Don't confuse impact on metal to impact on human body..

I hope you are not referring to stoping power in the case of a metal

Prove to us you even understand what you're talking about here.....I will be out once you do that.

Just30:
Don't you know how to read an image properly labelled?

See someone who can't even read an image calling someone dumb wonder will never end.

That's a wound profile from a 5.56 impact

I Know all that .but the wound profile doesn't prove shit there are all sorts of wound profile s...that's why am telling you to stop throwing around images from Google.
Alternatively you can show a wound profile of a 50 bmg ..and prove to us that 5.56 is more rethal since it has some fragementions

Just30:
Go and read my comment again...

Do you go to the battlefield to fight against metals or humans ?

Pliz explain to me what metal has to do with stopping power.? ...in short the more the stopping power the more the likely hood you are going to end up dead.i don't know what you are really arguing about.

Just30:
Study this and you will know why 5.56 is more lethal

WTF is the image all about?..the bottom line is the 5.56 is not is powerful as a 7.62 ..not unless you are daft.

Just30:
if you knew what stoping power you were talking about, you won't be struggling to define it and still confuse it to Lethality.

aren't you the same guy who talking about stopping power against metal.WTF is that?

Just30:
you mean here you go again?

How about you type something sensible and not confuse damage from force on impact and damage from fragmentation on Impact.

And what has that got to do with the fact that a 7.62 x 51 has more stopping power than a 5.56?..
Every different weapon has a unique wound profile

Just30:
against a person, it does not when you compare the damage from both bullets


This is the damage of the 5.56mm

Pliz come back when you have basic understanding of what is stopping power ...don't just throw around Images.

Just30:
why would I argue to nonsense ?

Here we go again .

Just30:
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Complete nonsense

You would have done better if you had a counteractive argument.

Just30:
what stoping power are you talking about when the bullet goes straight through the body ?


You keep acting stupid and talking dumb by ignoring simple physics..


[s]Why will you stupidly compare it to something that will just pass through Do you know how much damage a bullet that explodes of tumble in you can cause ?
Why will you stupidlyyou? [/s]


You just like to argue stupidly and it's dumb

Don't use terms just because you read some articles.
1.all if not most bullets will tumble in one way or another even the smaller 9mm
2...5.56 does not explode on impact( it's not an armor piercing round)
3. If a bullet get stuck inside it reduces bleeding to some extent and if it won't be removed you can still survive I have seen war vetrans with bullet wounds where the bullet hasn't been removed for years .
4.The only thing a 5.56 has over a 7.62 is the wieght.

5. Even when shot in the leg you are most likely to die from a 7.62 x 51 ..while you can continue fighting when shot by a 5.56.

Just30:
It is 100% more lethal to the human body than a 7.62.

Don't confuse impact on metal to impact on human body..

I hope you are not referring to stoping power in the case of a metal

Why do you like arguing so much just display your ignorance and stupidity.
Basically the more the stopping power the more likely you are going to end up dead or incapacitated.

Just30:
These are real soldiers testifying to the lethality of the 5.56 over the 7.62

The thing is even demonstrated for you to see as well as a ballistic report provided which shows why the 5.56 is dangerous.

Any bullet that penetrates the body is less lethal to humans than say a bullet that tumbles several times in it or explodes on impact in the body.

This is just simple physics

The mere shock wave is enough to rapture ateries deep inside the body.

Just30:
keep learning



A 5.56 is more deadly hence why the US military will pick it every day over a 7.62.

Ask any doctor of how dangerous a bullet that tumbles in a body is compare to a one that penetrate leaving a clear cut perfect wound and get educated..

A doctor is the closest you will get to an expert... If you approach your militia, they will slap you for asking

Learn what a 5.56 does to the body

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjDxOnx5jo

He is making comparison with an Ak 7.62 x 39. not 7.62 x 51 get your basics right

gallivant:
Which gun is more effective on illegal Chinese miners? Just wondering...

He is just googling stuff and making wierd claims ..from claiming Kenya operates a SCAR L, to posting images of Kenyan soldiers and claiming they are Ghanian and posting some Ak 12 and SCARs claiming they are M4s

Just30:
yes you are more likely to survive a 7.62mm bullet than a 5.56.

You know nothing about guns, shut up and learn.

The Gatling GAU 8, GAU 19, M61 and all it variants and etc machine guns have higher velocity than a hand gun and rifles. Firing 30mm or 50 cal ammo

Dumb kid

The type 56 and G3 has always been Kenya standard even today, they are the dominant guns in your militia army.
95% of them use either a type 56 or G3.

See the fool in the middle does not know that his riffle should be pointed down.

Haha ...a 5.56 can't even take down a deer..it's basically a wounding round .It's isn't even suitable for hunting. ;.... anyway continue googling stuff then come here and display your stupidity.
Btw what happened to the humvees did you manage to identify them in the photos?

Just30:
the most common rifle you see is type 56 and other Aks followed by G3.

I was saying that 5.56mm is better than 7.62 because it has a greater advantage.



Now go and learn what those advantages are..

You will have to ban the 5.56 in the US military before they will ever use a 7.62.

Haha aren't the same guy who said that am more likely to survive being shot by a 7.62 than a 5.56 .
You better shutup instead of embarrassing yourself....
How many rifles can you identify In the photo
Even way back in 1990s the Aks have never been our standard issue even for the police.

Just30:
I know you just got schooled by me and you are pretending

What the Bleep are you talking about arent you the same guy who was saying kenya uses SCAR L ?...Just browse photos of kdf in somalia and tell me the most common rifle you will see ..what were you saying about 7.62 again?

KDF General Electric GAU-17/ Minigun ,chambered in 7.62mm .it can fire bullets from 2500 - 6000rpms. Meaning you’ll be shredded by its 7.62 rounds by the time you hear it’s brrrrt.

way back in 2012 when kdf captured Kismayo .. I guess you can see the standard rifles

Just30:
Kenya operate AK and G3 while a select of gets SCAR L

I Know you just discovered the different variants while browsing online ..it's good to see you are learning .

Just30:
yes the G3 was together with the AK but mainly AK.

The SCAR L is what has been given to special unit of your militia.
This has placed them on quite a disadvantage on the battle field.

The very purpose of the SCAR rifle was to be of limited use and not of general purpose use and modular like the M16 or m4 variants.

If you don't know anything about gun, Don't talk.

The only useful SCAR is the Heavy variant and it is more useful as a sniper rifle for overwatch than a rifle for infantry.

No wonder your militia is being massacred.

Any kdf platoon will have a mixture of rifles from SCAR H , G3,M240 machine guns to Aks.

Just30:
You don't even know the the H stands for Heavy

And you are here blabbing about a SCAR?

and which variant do Kenya operate ?