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Idowuogbo: Aching!!! My finger hurts.

awww... Sorry. Not completely healed yet?

Idowuogbo: About! U aite?

Yes, I'm fine. How are you dear?

[quote author=Idowuogbo][/quote]Longest time! Where have you been?

CFCfan: I'll be rooting for France on Tuesday. With the likes of Pogba, Varane ( a very good defender), Benzema, Giroud and Ribery; Spain will find it tough.
The 1st leg in Spain ended 1-1, with Giroud scoring the equalizer with virtually the last touch of that match.

Allez Les Bleus

I predict a 3-1 win by Spain. With Pedro and Villa both getting on the score sheet.

ItsModella: LMAOO!! you are mad

It's just an observation jare

CFCfan: Na coincidence o.

That result makes Tuesday's clash between France and Spain all the more important. If France win, they'll go FIVE points above world and European champions, Spain.

Spain would win them. I'm rooting for Spain, Argentina and ofcourse my Naija in this worldcup. I know they would all qualify.

CFCfan: Full time: Spain 1-1 Finland. That is simply unbelievable!
This has to be the shock result of this round, worldwide.

funny how you just showed up with the scoreline of a team tagged 'THE RED FURY'.
Coincidence?

adaobi123:

dey laugh. I'm not the one who has to face it

Ehya... The red nightmare. Ladies are trying o.

[quote author=gree-die]open a thread, no...

i ve proved my assertion, d burden of proof has shifted
i ve given u reasons why i believe u worship d bible, disprove it.

u can help out wit d thread... i shall ans d questions after u ans mine..u see, i even have my ans ready.[/quote]I didnt see any such post worth commenting on.

The way you are going on about it, it's obvious it is simply a tool for diversion, a sort of defensive mechanism. "They say I worship Mary, lemme accuse them of worshipping something too. What do I use o.... Yes! The bible!"

[quote author=gree-die]u know i ve an answer.... u know i do. but do u ve an ans to my own qus?[/quote]huh? Disprove your claim that non-catholics worship the bible? Lol. You have not even proved it. The burden of proof lies with him who asserts. After your proof, then I disprove. That's how it works.

Tell you what, open a thread on that bible worship issue and I'd be glad to give you as much as you hunger for.
This thread is for Mary worship and my question is very simple and not off topic, but since you have refused to answer, no problemo.

ItsModella: mschew!! GTFOH jor.

what the hell?

of course I asked google for the ugly ones...duh!!!

lwkm This babe, you are high o

honeric01: I am not a Kenyan but i believe itsmodella is very bias.

These are Kenyan woman (random)

yes, these women are ugly too

all na part of the beef. Or are you a learner?

[quote author=gree-die]and i asked, is dat d only definition u saw der... i don't want to beat about d bush pls... as u can see, i ve to reply so many ple [/quote]You are free to skip it as you have no real answer. If I quote where the bible says pray FOR the saints and ask where it mentions praying TO the saints, you'd say I worship the bible when I'm supposed to be worshipping images of Jesus and Mary.

[quote author=gree-die]u worship d bible don't u?

ans d qus!!!![/quote]Lwkm... How do people worship the bible?

You guys teach infallibility of the pope and the church in any matter, the absoluteness of the catholic creed, but classify holding the bible as an authority as 'worship'? Amazing!

[quote author=gree-die]u can do better.... d definitions made mention of a fervent request. do i need to lecture you abt english its restrictions? how a word can have more dan a meaning?
how compensate can mean to make up for, to pay, to adjust... or do u lose ur thinking cap wen if comes to matters concerning catholic? i even gave eg of how pray was used in d ancient days..

moving . on abeg[/quote]lol... Losing my thinking cap. Hmmm... That's an attempt at evading my question, right? I'm not an enemy o. Have nothing against you. It's just the doctrine I have something against.

In your post, you maintained that prayer is not linked to worship. Of course 'object of worship' in the definition(s) proved you wrong.

You tried to imply (with your history lessons) that the meaning and usage of the term does not denote something exclusive to God. The Catholic encyclopaedia's definition proved you wrong again.

You tried to brush off claims that you guys give Mary worshipful honor, and I asked a simple question in logic. Your Catholic encyclopaedia I quoted defined prayer as an act of asking gifts or grace from God. You guys pray for intercession from Mary and the saints too. When did they become God?

Forgive me if this post looks untidy. I'm on mobile.

[quote author=gree-die]Most of u think "pray" means "worship." So Let's look up the word "pray" in the dictionary.Webster's:

(1)  To utter petition to God ... (2) To make a fervent request: PLEAD (3)  To beseech: implore (4) to make a devout or earnest request for.

The first thing to notice is that the word "worship" is not included in the definition of "pray." It does not mean "worship." A prayer to Mary is clearly not a petition to God. Mary is not God, and there is not one faithful Catholic since the apostles who has said she is. So clearly it is not the first meaning.

I understand that given your shorter history, prayer is only and always directed to God [/quote]Isn't it funny how you cut off some parts of the Merriam definition? I hope it wasn't intentional though.

Pray (intransitive verb)
: to make a request in a humble manner
: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pray

now lets see the definition of 'prayer' in some of the best online dictionaries and compare with catholic renditions.

Definition of PRAYER
a (1) : an address (as a petition) to God or a
god in word or thought <said a prayer for
the success of the voyage> (2) : a set order
of words used in praying
b : an earnest request or wish
: the act or practice of praying to God or a god <kneeling in prayer>
: a religious service consisting chiefly of
prayers —often used in plural
: something prayed for
: a slight chance <haven't got a prayer>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prayer

prayer 1 Pronunciation (prâr)
n.
1.
a. A reverent petition made to
God, a god, or another object of
worship.
b. The act of making a reverent
petition to God, a god, or
another object of worship.
2. An act of communion with God, a god, or another object of worship, such as in devotion, confession, praise, or thanksgiving:
3. A specially worded form used to
address God, a god, or another object of worship.
4. prayers A religious observance in which praying predominates:
morning prayers.
5.
a. A fervent request: Her prayer
for rain was granted at last.
b. The thing requested: His safe
arrival was their only prayer.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=prayer

Found this on a catholic website:

Question: What Is Prayer?
Prayer is a form of communication, a way of
talking to God or to the saints .
http://catholicism.about.com/od/prayers/f/What_Is_Prayer.htm

comparing this definition with the others above, it is obvious the 'saints' replaces the 'gods' and 'objects of worship'.

Now this is how the catholic encyclopedia defines prayer:

(Greek euchesthai, Latin precari, French prier, to plead, to beg, to ask earnestly).
An act of the virtue of religion which consists in asking proper gifts or graces from God . In a more general sense it is the application of the mind to Divine things, not merely to acquire a knowledge of them but to make use of such knowledge as a means of union with God . This may be done by acts of praise and thanksgiving, but petition is the principal act of prayer.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12345b.htm

If you define prayer as an act rendered TO GOD and then you go ahead to pray TO SAINTS (including Mary), what is the logical conclusion that can be drawn? TELL ME.

falamangaa: Nigeria is the Giant of AIDS in Africa.

The way you guys breed

Haha... Is that your best reply? Kenya has a higher HIV prevalence rate than Nigeria has.

Dangote is about to buy Kenya. He needs a new cement depot.

ItsModella: more evidence of good living

see how 2face looks like a human being unlike that chimpanzee look-alike called Prezzo.

lmao... That's why they say Kenyans are closer to nature. They are the bloody reason people believe humans came from apes #SomeoneTellKenyans

ItsModella: Black is black my azz

Look at Tonto Dike and look at Millicent..and tell me if black is still black. When you see Tonto Dike, you see the benefits of eating good food and not grass.

https://bigbrotherafrica.dstv.com/ContentImages/Profiles/Millicent-Kenya-2.jpg?404=CntDefault&

I could actually use this kenyan lady's collarbone holes as borehole reservoir. It's soooooo deep!

falamangaa: If you know anything about Africa, most folks are poor. The trend is kinda similar in most African countries. Most data is actually online( you don't really need to travel anywhere), and most African countries including Kenya and Nigeria have done a very poor job in job creation. There are slums in Kenya, and Nigeria like in many other African countries.

<1 % Super Rich
10-20% Middle class
20% struggling between middle class & poor
59% Poor or stable but struggling.

So please apply that to your population of 150 Million plus. There's probably 40 - 88 Million folks, and included in that number you can say roughly 40M are really poor that like the whole of Kenya.


So Nigeria has more Aids patients than Kenya. Just by the statistics.

Lmao... Nigerians cannot have positively more AIDS patients than Kenya the home of AIDS. The only thing positive about Kenya is HIV

Zsupuk: Leave them in ignorance plus how stupid can an African be insulting another African for being black? And they say we got low self esteem no wonder they super bleach themselves. Its as though nigerians are whites a black person is a black person whether fair or black blue they still considered black...ignorant .

hahaha... Is that how to be black? How do Kenyans see themselves in the dark?

peleson: This is photoshopped . Stop telling lies! Tho they refused to train in national stadium provided for them by nff, nff did not try enough to encourage them with teslim balogun n ofcos a.c.n lagos state may not v allowed them use the facility. So where else could they use in lagos state?

lol... No mind them. The Kenyan team chose the school so they can concentrate on training without getting tempted to eat grass. #SomeoneTellKenyans.

dr dams: what if i say the answer is Monday?

I'd challenge you to explain how.

belabela: To add to the topic. Mary was like a surrogate mother. Modern science has shown us that it is possible for a woman to carry a child without having any DNA contribution to the child. i.e the father and the mother of the baby in her womb is not the carrier of the baby. Her only duty will be to carry her for 9 months. She has no genetic contribution to the child. Mary was like that but blessed to carry in her womb the son of God. She was equally blessed to raise him up. Claiming that Jesus got her humanity from Mary is bogus

God bless you!

Acidosis:
na god

lol ask any staunch catholic what papal infallibility 'ex cathedra' means.

xynerise: Name one pls. That is my question.

when did I become angel Gabriel or God? I cannot read hearts (and neither can you). Even if I can, how many women do I know amongst the possibly billions alive?

Saying there are no good women today is just presumptuousness on your part.