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MostHigh:
U make judgement already without getting d whole jist?

lol. She quoted a post. The judgement was for that post. The 'whole gist' I want to get is the conversation flow of the thread. It's not the same thing.

Ishilove:
My eyes cannot see this alone

An0ni.mous, nu.well, Oah.ray, Refer.ence and co, please share your thoughts.

hmmm... Good thing you didn't try to see it alone. It's a terribly twisted interpretation of scripture. Lemme try to get the whole gist first sha.

Been ages, aunty Ishi.

Sam32:
Its not always the 'game' she might not be interested in meeting someone new and just to avoid conflict give you a wrong number. Btw there's a limit to how good your 'game' can get, where yours end that's where someones own just starting..

that girl who gives a certain guy a wrong number would give her correct number to a certain other guy. Packaging, timing, approach, perceived intent... Those can make or mar.

I see you agree that 'game pass game'. We are on the same page then.

Sam32:
If you're experienced in any way, you'll understand that it’s not always because of your "game" or something you did that makes a girl give you a wrong number

lol. Yet another illogical conclusion from my post. I was hoping you'd be 'experienced' (yes, I did see the subtle jab) enough to see 'on purpose' there. That alone screams an exception (that a wrong number might have been a mistake somehow). So how is it you are arguing against ALWAYS?

If a girl gives you a wrong number on purpose, she wants you off her back. You certainly do not appeal to her enough. It's not rocket science.

Tell me, what else besides one's total packaging and actions would make the girl give him a wrong number?

Sam32:
Absurd! so every girl owes u her number cause u got a tight game

stop trying to connect my Earth and your Pluto with your pseudo-logic. Your conclusion doesn't even remotely follow my statement.

It was never about collecting EVERY girl's number. I wonder how you came up with that. It's about making so bad an impression on your target that she gives you a wrong number just to get you off her back.

Call it absurd or whatever term you can conjure... A girl who finds you interesting enough would never give you a wrong number on purpose.

Hmmm... Are you justifying cheating?

Obey? Really?
It's normal to receive instructions/rules from one's wife now?

I-must-open-thread syndrome

Hehehe... Good for him. It means his game isn't as impressive as he thinks.
I no fit stop random girl for road ask for number sha.

sexymoma:
You can't call this fat..she s curvy look at her arms..she s not fat

oh please... She's fat.

Rubbish!

Nice, but too many exaggerations. Humans weren't exactly self-sacrificing lovers centuries back either. There just was no social media to rant about it.

Synzu:
He'll soon be here to tell us how he broke up with his gf before val cos he's a "sharp guy"

lmao!

@op goan read for ya exams o.

Here to read and like comments

RexKexMilann:
OP, from your write up, you seem to be a very proud person. Why would you be embarrassed by such a trivial stuff? It's okay to be a little bit angry BUT not embarrassed. It's not like people were watching...

hmmm... Na wa o. So feeling embarrassed is worse than getting angry?

@op, try chill for the matter. It may have been that time of the month for her, and body dey pepper am.

Wash my feet in public? At our wedding? Not cos my feet needs washing? So that people can praise her and call her submissive or what?

I'd pass... With bullet speed

OPCNAIRALAND:
You latched on and kept harping that Oduduwa's descent from the sky has no root and cannot be given serious peerage to the more grounded Benin account ofhis history. You were not ready to concede the ground on that.

It has now been brought before your eyes that your highly glorifoed ogise itself is believed to descend from the sky.....and you melt, you are using visuals to softland.

Why do you people bring up points you have not thoroughly researched, why bring conjectures and waste peoples time?


Now that it has bren established firmly that if Ogiso, a descendant of the sky is legitimate, Oduduwa, another descendant of the sky is also legitimate.....and if Ogiso did not come from a previously known race, then Oduduwa did not come from Ogiso or any of its sub dynasties.


My own theory of Ogiso's root is deeper but let me keep it private for now.

what is this one saying? The Bini version is more logical and isn't on a denial spree like yours. At least they admitted that they went to Ile-Ife when they ran into trouble with their Ogiso dynasty.

I'm sure you read my post where I said no one descended from the sky. Neither the Binis nor the Yorubas. However I haven't seen any Bini person try to refute any claim by saying something cannot be true because their Ogisos came from heaven.

The yorubas would rather argue that Oduduwa descended from heaven commando style than admit that he could have come from a nearby kingdom. They would rather have him trek from Egypt or Mecca than from Igodomigodo.

Even if the title Ogiso means what it is popularly thought to mean, there is no evidence anyone took it literally. The first Ogiso Igodo isn't revered as a mystical being in any Bini folklore.

One of my yoruba friends (a graduate o) still insists with all conviction that the chains with which Oduduwa descended from heaven is still somewhere in yoruba land.

What logical mind would be moved to believe those tales? Certainly not mine, but then, I'm only speaking for myself.

scholes0:
noo, not king that looks to the sky, but kings that came from the sky.
research it.... Everything you say is aimed at imposing the Bini account on the yoruba one..lol
Now Ogiso has influenced Yoruba account.


http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub55.htm

lol. that's just some blogger talking jor

I'd look it up again.

Pardon my bias. I have always been intruiged by both accounts, and over the years I've gradually tilted towards the Bini account because it seems to me to have less holes.

History shouldn't be a bone to bark over though. Cultural similarities should make us a bit more united.

scholes0:
But you see, the Binis themselves believe that the Ogiso (Ruler from the Sky) was a supernatural king that descended from the Sky and came to Rule the Edos.
What do you have to say about that?

nah... If memory serves me right, Ogiso means 'King that look to the Sky' (shortened to sky king). It's based on their belief that the kings have some sort of divine guidance. I think the Yoruba claim that Oduduwa descended from the sky was influenced by this, and not the other way around.

scholes0:
lol, I am not trying to compel you to accept Yoruba History....afterall, you aren't one.
Until the Binis explain to us, how so many Yoruba customs leaked and permeated their 'Unique" culture..... something will alsways smell fishy.

Somewhere between both claims is the truth.

Both nations originated and existed independent of each other. Until the binis ran into their Ogiso problem. Their prince marked for dead was spared and banished instead. He went west and established a monarchy there.

So great is the human reverence for what he does not know that he would give it supernatural undertones. The people only knew that he came from another place. Gradually they spun tales until the man eventually descended from heaven as a mystical being.

Both accounts agree that some Binis came and Oduduwa sent Oranmiyan with them. I do not believe a people with as big an ego as the binis have would beg a complete stranger to rule over them, or that any king would send his beloved child with strangers. Unless... Unless he knew them before.

That said, Oranmiyan was more raised to be more yoruba than bini. So when he went, he took his upbringing with him and struggled to adapt. He likely left more than just a son with the binis. He left them with the version of kingship that his father started in Ile-ife. He and his lineage influenced existing bini tradition. There's what is called cultural assimilation. It is inevitable when two cultures mingle.

I believe the Oba is a yoruba term, but I believe the yorubas got their monarchy from the Binis in the first place. Afterall Nigeria exports crude and imports refined petroleum. The fact that we import petroleum doesn't mean none of it could have originated somewhere under the Nigerian seabed.

Until I see better evidence, this is the most plausible marriage of both cultural accounts. No one descended from any heavenly chain.

scholes0:
Infact, this is Orun Oba Ado, in a very old quarter of ife, which means "The Ado King's Heaven"..... which is Benin's older name that was later corrupted to Edo.
Bini is a Yoruba/Itsekiri word however.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1518844_benin_jpegf7703ac02b5b366483ad38e9afd3cb82

Benin tradition continues by pointing out that it was during the reign of the fourth Oba of Benin of the present dynasty, Oba Oguola, the starting date of which has been put at A.D. 1400, that the Oba requested a bronze-smith to be sent from Ife-Ife,[size=14pt] his ancestral home[/size], to teach the craft in Benin. Iguega (a rather strange name for an Ife man) was sent for the purpose, and there are shrines in Benin City today where he is worshipped.

This tradition, together with another which says that the heads of the deceased Obas of Benin were usually returned to Ife far burial at the site of Orun Oba Ado and that, in return, bronze memorial heads of the deceased Obas were sent to Benin to be kept there has given rise to speculation that Benin court art was derived from Ife. It is said further that this practice of sending bronze memorial heads to Benin was stopped by Oguola after the arrival of Iguega.
The exponents of this view have compared the naturalism of Ife works with the naturalism of those Benin works regarded as the earliest specimens, when Ife influence was still very strong in Benin. Furthermore, certain sculptures in Benin style have been found in Ife-Ife and vice-versa. For example, the figure in plate 97, which is obviously of Ife style, was found in Benin.

Also read:


http://www.vcn.bc.ca/edo/news.php

I read your link... There are two accounts, the Bini version and the Yoruba version by Oba Sijuwade in the rebuttal. The claim about buried heads is only promoted by yoruba proponents. There's no proof that Edo was once Ado either (the account about Ewuare and the slave boy Edo seems more plausible), unless you are implying that Ado-Ekiti originated with the Binis. It's hard to believe any tale told by people who claim that Oduduwa descended from heaven on a chain.

I'd still stick with the more realistic bini version till there's enough evidence to sway me in the other direction.

scholes0:
You are missing the point.
The main element of the article is what the prince Esode said. And which has also been corroborated by even more people.
Unfortunately pride, will not allow the Binis accept the truth.

bro, he cannot be living in the 21st century and be the grandson of the last Ogiso from a decade of centuries ago. If the claim which supposedly makes him an authority in this matter is a fraud, why should anything he says be taken seriously?

Please reference more credible sources. I like to learn.

YonkijiSappo:
Read for yourself..... small Bini girl.

[size=14pt]Heads of Former Benin Monarchs Were Actually Buried in Ile- Ife, Says Prince Isede[/size]


http://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

There you have it folks...... actual history corroborated by a true son of an Ogiso... Not all these modern born Benin history twisters that know nothing of their actual past.

I was enjoying this argument until you brought this lame crap as corroboration. If the Obas succeeded the Ogiso dynasty (because of progenitor issues), and Oba Erediauwa is the 38th oba of Benin, how possible is it for a grandson (even if it's great grandson sef) of the last ogiso who died without any heir (several centuries ago for that matter) to be a deputy chairman in Delta State that was created in 1991?

This is why I'm more inclined to follow the Bini account. It's more realistic, trustworthy and logical.

Both cultures originated independent of each other, but they definitely influenced each other at some point.

Humblegoodman:
Op let me tell you the gospel truth, your girlfriend never went from any wedding. She only came to Delta state to see the guy who has been inviting her. She spent 3 days f*****g the guy and she got a phone as a parting gift which he promised her when she was being bleeped. My brother I am from Delta, I know how girls troop in here every weekend to catch fun with sugar daddies and younger guys. Right now, watch how your relationship with her will look like. Watch out, from now on she will find several other excuses to travel out of Uyo in a bid to see this new guy. That's how girls of nowadays lie.
I once had a girlfriend who often lied to her parents that she was attending a friend's wedding outside the state just to be able to visit me when I was on transfer to Enugu from Delta. She would tell me that she told her parents that she was attending her course mate, friend's wedding in Benin and she would divert to Enugu to be with me for the weekend.
My brother if you love her and want to marry her, please sit her down and talk some sense into her before it's too late. na from clap Dem dey enter dance oooo.take the word of an elder.

hehehe... I concur jare. Her story on its own is watery, then add the secrecy and the way she replied him (like say na fight).

People do not just buy phones for 'strangers' without any sort of string attached. There are many other ways to waste money.

@op, she doesn't need your 'consent' to accept gifts from other guys sha. Unless you be her husband.

Hmmm... Time travel abi alternate universe? Well... I wouldn't get below A in any subject in sec school. Plus I'd get to study my dream robotics

Only scary part is that I'd have to look for my sugar and make her fall for me for real.

jelal007:
Hypocrisy is when u look like a vampire and then call som1 else zombie. See dis ugly thing saying no matter how good he looks; 4 ur small plastic mind.

lmao! That's harsh bro. She probably isn't as ugly as you claim. I'm sure she has beautiful sides we haven't seen... Yet

Caught you Shugaryme. Say something

Explorers:
5. A female neighbour(a crush) screamed to your apartment, telling you this animal is on the window in her apartment that you should capture it alive for her and offering you #10,000.

What would you do?

I'd stop crushing immediately! Wetin she wan use that kind live creature do?

ayindejimmy:
It's called optical illusion.
Check this picture. If the picture was taken from the far left of Buhari [which obviously should be the case] it'll seem like the orange flag is in front of him.

hmmm... You mean parallax error?

My 11,111th post

Explorers:
6.

em... Give the last child the jar with the last cookie in it.

Deejavuu:
I always wonder the type of girls y'all meet online or offline. So no one has met a girl that isn't demanding or doesn't demand for recharge card immediately the pm is exchanged. Odiegwu!

I have