₦airaland Forum

shadeyinka:
I honestly think there is a grand conspiracy between highly placed people in government and the monopolies that own the electricity generation and distribution.

Fashola attempted to force the discos to supply prepaid meters unfortunately, some higher powers put him to order. I know how government works: it's all about private benefits and hypocrisy.

Of course, just like every other thing which doesnt work in Nigeria, there's always a powerful cabal which benefits from the non-functionality and which would ensure that they resist any change. Power supply is obviously not rocket science, Fashola was right when he made that statement. But where he failed was by underestimating the strenght and political influence of the cabals (a.k.a. the "witches and wizards and principalities and powers" according to Prof Nebo the ex power minister) which would fight day and night to ensure power never comes to Nigeria.

asuustrike1:
Are you implying that the government give licenses to more discos ? So how would customers move from one operator to another? Would there be different distribution lines in a town?.

There wouldnt be a need for new distribution lines, the existing distribution infrastructure can be shared. That's actually how it's done in more developed nations although I agree it would be very difficult to attain that level in Nigeria due to the currently rotten infrastructure.

lilwetdick:
feminists and support of evil

so a strip club was raided by the police then feminists came out to protest

we shouldn't forget that those clubs exploit women and make them mere sexual objects

confuse people

Of course you feel unconcerned today because you believe it's just a strip club; so it doesn't matter if the police illegally raids the place, arrests and even sexually assaults those women because of course, they are just worthless prostitutes. Tomorrow the same police will illegally raid ordinary clubs and bars and arrest and molest any lady at all who dresses sexy; after all, for her to dress sexy, she must have links to prostitution too so it's none of your business.

But guess what?... it's only a matter of time before the same police begins to illegally raid every single place in town to indiscriminately arrest any woman they so feel like. At one point, your sister or your wife may be arrested too and you will start screaming "but she's not a prostitute! But she's not indecently dressed!" But by then it will be too late; you already supported and nurtured the monster by being unbothered today when 'others' are being picked upon, we woukd have already created full shariah law.

shadeyinka:
I agree with you.

In Germany for instance, any private owner of solar installation can sell their excess power to the central utility. The Nigerian government doesn't have any plan for our industrialization hence their lackadaisical attitude to power generation and distribution. It's not rocket science!

Absolutely! The law permitting any individual to generate and sell power is still being played with. On the surface, it appears that it exists and that power generation and sales have been decentralised, but the wordings of the current law makes it impossible for anyone to really delve into power generation and distribution business. The current big DISCOs are enjoying a senseless monopoly and the owners of these DISCOs who are very powerful men (e.g. OBJ, IBB, Emeka Offor etc) are the ones ensuring that that crippling monopoly remains.

Tbis is a problem the NASS needs to sit up and solve.

asuustrike1:
Can you explain the bolded text

Using Lagos as an example, Lagos is controlled by two powerful monopolies; Ikeja distribution company (mainland) and Eko distribution company (island). As an electricity consumer living in the mainland for example, no matter how messed up you think IKDC are treating you, you cannot decide to leave them and join EDC because IKDC is the sole license owner in the mainland so you are stuck with them no matter their performance.

It's just like saying you must use MTN because of your house address. Irrespective of how bad the mtn network and services are, you have no right to use another sim card due to you home location.

shadeyinka:
But the problem is caused by the FG.

If Buhari should announce tomorrow that by 1st June 2019 no one should pay and neither disconnected from power line of they have not been issued a PREPAID meter: watch how they will all sit up and get things in order

There is a conspiracy between some people in Government and the Discos to keep things as it is.

Don't forget that a few years ago, their excuse of privatising NEPA was that from their feasibility studies ALL our electricity problems would be over immediately they sell our national asset to a few Nigerians who had stolen our money through politics

The problem goes beyond just the prepaid meters. Everyone getting a prepaid meter would force the DISCOs to sit up but that's not really where the problem ends.

Laws still need to be amended to permit every Tom Dick and Harry generate and sell power. Currently we're told this is the case, that things have now been liberalised and that individuals can generate and sell but that is not completely true. The DISCOs still exist as large monopolies who already own all the areas. I understand that as an individual who owns a large turbine in a place like Ikeja for instance, even though the current law states that you can sell your excess power to neighbours, the what they did not tell you is that you must get permission from IKDC before you can takeover any of their existing customers, and IKDC will never grant you that permission. This problem has to be solved by the National Assembly.

gabicon:
Every state has its own distribution grid, the national grid feeds these distribution grid. Imagine every state generating its own electricity or a Geopolitical zone generating and transmiting her own electricity, we would have eliminated multiple points of failure which seems to be one of the bottle necks in the national grid. Many industries and churches are already doing it in Lagos , they have their own gas turbine, they generate and even sell to neighboring community.

Hmm... are you sure of the bolded statement above? Are you sure states currently have a mini grid (outside the national grid) that can transmit power around the state if thry were to be disconnected ftom the national grid?

If Delta state for instance is disconnected totally from the national grid, are you sure the power generated at Ughelli can be transmitter to Asaba without touching the national grid?... I dont think so.

mmsen:
Every state may not but every region has some form of capability.

Ahaa.. there you go! Returning to a centralised grid again.

mmsen:
Why is no power generated in those states?

But power cannot be generated everywhere; we aren't talking of 'I pass my neighbour generators' here you know.

shadeyinka:
It's far much more simpler than that:
1. The problem of Nigeria's electricity is Generation:
We need 16GWatt of electricity and we are not even generating 4GWatt.
2. Let ordinary Nigerians be able to sell electricity to the public utility using a special electricity meter from solar.
3. Enforce the use of prepaid meter by All
4. Indigenous technology for generating and maintenance of turbines and alternators is a must.

But there's a far worse rot in distribution than in generation. If the GENCOs were doing well and generating funds to pay the GENCOs for power generated, the GENCOs would have been able to turn more turbines on, service idle ones and even build new plants.

gabicon:
The simple solution to the power problem is decentralize it. Lagos can't be dependent on Benin transmission company even though it has a power station. Scrap national grid it's not working.

If we scrap the national grid, do you know how much it will cost to rewire the entire nation?... If I'm not mistaken, scraping the national grid would entail disconnecting several states from power supply.

Yankee101:
Simple analysis proves you're generally right.

Increase in pvc should translate to increased accreditation

Does increase in number of collected PVCs automatically translate to higher voter turnout on election day?

kingkakaone:
Look at the comment above and tell me why Africa won't remain this way.
Imagine the comments they would have made if this had happened in Nigeria or Africa.
To them anything a white man does is ok but would have looked for a way to introduce bad energy if this had happened here.
They would have called the girl all sort of names if this happened here. Same people who insult ladies here also begs to marry old women from foreign lands.
Inferiority complexed personalities everywhere.

The white men may have claimed Africans got independence,from it the mental slavery never ended.

The king is 66 years old and the new wife is a 40 year old mature woman, not an 18 year old teen who just started menstruating. Therein lies your difference.

olas24u:
How many countries have you been?even in india an emerging market country you will meet a doctor at any hour in a government hospital doing is own shift. Go and sleep

Look madam abeg you win!... It is pointless arguing with a person who doesnt know and who has bluntly refuse to learn that there's a difference between standard GP consultations and emergency cases.

If you like, when you have something as little as a rash on your hand, you can go to india and walk into a hospital by 2am, maybe witch doctors would attend to you. Bye!

olas24u:
They do shifts ,and people are paid per hour of work and it's 24hrs .it is wrong to pray in the hospital .it is wrong .

Doctors for 24 hours consultation in your village right?.. lol.. some people are stibbornly ignorant.

olas24u:
Just trying to suite your own narrative,nobody will be praying during working hours and,and you can walk in to see a doctor on duty because it is 24h service,and people are paid per hours ,so you cannot do that,it is a private business,you pray at home or privately.stop supporting rubbish ,they teach ethics ,and you should also use common sense.

What exactly do you understand by the term "working hours" and why exactly do you think working hours in every organisation must be the same?... If this particular hospital has 9:00am for instance as it's official start time, of which they choose to carry out morning prayers by 08:30am, how exactly is that your freaking business what they do before their official start time?

To correct another gaffe you keep repeating, no normal hospital around the globe operates a 24 hour consultation service, some hospitals don't even offer consultation services on all weekdays. You claimed to be exposed so I'm confused why you wouldn't know this. A patient can only be attended to outside official consultation hours if and only if it is an emergency. Stop embarrassing yourself abeg; several people on this thread have explained this to you.

I guess this is all about demand and supply.

Sikiratu:
That's why there is a rotation. You have night and morning shifts to create a balance in the lives of medical personnel.

There is nothing like outside consultation hours in an hospital that knows it's worth. Consultation hours is mostly for out patients and those in the wards.
Let's have a scenario here, you are very sick on a Friday and rushed to the hospital only for you to be told ........
Sorry you came after consultation hours. Come back Monday Morning 9am. Thank you. Sir you don't even have an appointment.....
How will that make you feel??

Every hospital has consultation hours, just like every other office does. Those doctors and nurses have personal lives too you know. No hospital does GP consultations for 24 hours of the day. All over the world you can't just casually walk into a hospital by 6am and expect to be seen by a doctor; you will only be attended to if you have an emergency.

olas24u:
Your reasoning is terrible,it will take several year to dislodge the shit in your brains.get some exposure outside of you enclave.

There's nothing wrong with my reasoning; rather there's everything wrong with you horribly bigoted reasoning. You speak so much about the "developed world this and the developed world that," but you clearly have no idea how anything works anywhere outside your little enclave. If you're truly experienced in the ways of the developed world as you so claim, you wouldn't be so averse to 'orderliness'.

In the developed climes you talk about, you cant just walk into a freaking hospital and expect to be attended to without an appointment or outside official consultation hours except you have an emergency - The rules are simple, and your ability to follow them without coming to lament online is a simple measure of your level of exposure.

Outside consultation hours, if it is the culture of the clinic or hospital to observe whatever kind of prayer or tradition ritual, it is not your freaking business what they do in their own time. You only have a right to complain if their prayer or break time or whatever it is overlaps your appointment time.

If you have a problem with people practicing their faith, spit it out already and stop beating about the bush trying to teach anyone here about how exposed you are. With your much acclaimed level of exposure, if you still do not know how to respect the the personal time of others and show tolerance, then you're not in anyway better than the unexposed man living in a forest.

Onlyonebuhari:
It is against our professional. Where in the hippocratic oath can we find that? So you mean the buddist and atheist do that nonsense too or they went through different training. Your patient is the number one consideration not useless morning devotion.

So because a person is a doctor, they shouldn't have a personal life outside their patients right?... Everything else they do is "USELESS" right?.. If a patient comes outside consultation hours, the doctors and nurses should leave everything else in their lives and attend to a patient who can't stick with a clearly communicated appointment time?

olas24u:
You cannot be rational in thinking when you become so religious.

Religion is not for the rational minded; they are two opposing things. There's a reason RELIGION is alternatively called "FAITH". Faith is all about believing in things that are NOT, as if to say they WERE. If you are trying to be rational or logical, you cannot have faith; you have to choose one - Faith or Rationality! And when we make our choices, we should try to respect the choices made by others.

olas24u:
This is common sense, religion is different from professionalism.it does not make sense zyhe hospital is not a church.its for services.

Freedom of religion and belief is a right in the UK. There's nothing wrong with a person choosing to pray in a hospital for a patient or anywhere else. It only becomes a problem if the patient or the family of the patient disapproves it and you still go ahead to pray by fire by force. Heck! prayer mustn't be restricted to a building called church

Onlyonebuhari:
It is against our professional. Where in the hippocratic oath can we find that? So you mean the buddist and atheist do that nonsense too or they went through different training. Your patient is the number one consideration not useless morning devotion.

So if the hospital starts the business of consultation by 9am, why exactly should anyone be losing sleep about what they do before 9?

Kendumazy:
I didn't ask you not to pray but the issue of not talking to anyone before praying even if it's an emergency seems somehow to me. That's my point.

But it's just a personal thing; different people have different ways they relate with God and no one is saying the other person is right or wrong. Some Christians may say they cant taste alcohol, or wear earrings or hair extensions; oetc. But as long as they don't impose their personal ways on everyone else or judge others for not being like them, then there's nothing wrong with that. We should try to be tolerant of the cultures of others.

olas24u:
And you think this is right?A Nigerian nurse was once jailed in the i.k for praying for miracle .

So because the law in the UK persecutes someone for having a religious faith, does that necessarily make it a right and proper thing?

Kendumazy:
Honestly, we should serve this our God with sense. Even God will vex say "you can suspend the devotion and attend to the patient if anything wrong should happen to the patient"
There was a friend we wanted working on a deal together, called him one morning like that to give him an important update, he didn't pick. Later picked and said he saw my calls but couldn't pick because he just woke up and preparing to do morning devotion, said he doesn't speak to anyone in the morning without his morning devotion done first. I just canceled the deal. I dislike people who makes this religion of a thing something hard with their rubbish and nonsense principles. Am a Christian and I believe serving our God isn't hard. Let's do away with rubbish, unreasonable and foolish principles.

Oga, there's nothing wrong with a person having a personal culture of communing with their God before they start their day. For you to have a problem with that, you're simply being a bigot (i.e. intolerant of the views/culture of others).

I always tell people something, if the message is so important or an emergency, send it as an SMS and highlight the importance (and maybe the other party might reconsider their priorities). But hating on someone simply because they say they have to pray before starting their day, I'm confused at the kind of Christian you claim to be.

Nkisiva:
A Lady took to her social media page to express her anger towards an hospital she went to see the doctor with her kid for some check up around 8:30am whereby she was told to wait till they finish morning devotion before attending to her.

See screenshot of her post below:

https://www.everywherestew.com.ng/2019/05/lady-angry-with-hospital-for-telling.html?m=1

What if the official consultation time for the hospital starts from 9am? Would this lady complain this bitterly if the person she met wasn't doing morning devotion but just sat down idly and asked her to wait till 9?

Buckubuck:
Obviously you have brought into govt propaganda. But let me just make a point for you. The period we achieved highest growth rate since 1999 was between 2001-2005 during the OBJ years. Oil prices then was not up to $100. GDP is not about just money. It is actually a measure of economic productivity, like how productive your economy is

Which propaganda are you referring to?... That word is used very freely on this forum and sometimes I wonder whether the people using it actually know what it means.

You agree the GDP is a measure of economic productivity, but have you forgotten that oil is still the very life blood of Nigeria's economy which every other sector still feeds on?... With Nigeria almost solely dependent on oil dollars, when oil prices crash and oil dollars stop coming in, what do you think happens to the productivity in all other sectors?... Or did you also buy into the simple minded political analysis that Buharis bad policies were solely responsible for the productivity crises between 2015 and 2017?... Why exactly did the nation's GDP rate also crash progressively (down to 2%) between mid-2014 and mid-2015, a period when we didn't have the 'bad Buhari policies yet?

Why exactly do you think everyone talks of the need for diversification?... As long as Nigeria contunues to depend almost solely on a single commodity for income, Nigeria's entire economy will continue to be at the mercy of oil prices and oil sales.

Meanwhile, you're right about Nigeria having its highest growth between 2001 and 2005, but in that period, oil prices were relatively high (i.e. higher than the preceding period). I'm not however saying economic policy and productivity weren't good then, but oil was still the soul of it all.

grandstar:
Yes, the PDP years may have been helped with a higher price but that does not account fully for it. Better economic policies were instrumental.

You need to remember that OBJ took over from the most corrupt government in the nation's history and had been fantastically corrupt prior to that for at least 14 years.

Also, during OBJ's second term, he was able to pay down the country's debt , leave $20bn in excess crude account and $60bn in the reserves. It was perhaps the most fiscally prudent government the country ever had. It did not reckless spend and share the higher oil earnings which were at most during his at $65/barrel

It wasnt simply the higher oil prices that fuelled during OBJ''s term as he banked a good chunk of it.

The truly profligate government was the Jonathan government but even then, a good part wasn't oil based.

If the country simply followed Jonathan's policy till now, growth rate will be between 4%-4.5%by now.

The country needs some bew reforms to fuel growth but certainly not the lame duck policies that PMB is pursuing

I prefer to listen to what economists actually have to say about the current state of affairs and they blame Buhari's Statist and command policies. Sanusi was unrelenting in condemning Buhari's pegging of the Naira and the severe forex shortages which forced companies to close as they had no dollars to import stock. This led to massive layoffs and a severe recession followed.

It was not that Buhari ended the sharing of money that is the oroblem. No economist has ever given that as a reason. It sounds unacademic.

Since you claim it wasnt largely a function of oil price, why was it that even with the good economic policies of GEJ, the gdp growth rate still rapidly dropped to 2% before GEJ handed over?... With the way the rate was dropping before GEJ bailed out, do you also think those 'good' economic policies would have prevented the recession despite the fact that oil prices continued to crash further?....

Regarding your last sentence, you say you havent heard economists literally saying "Buhari ended the sharing of money", but can you also claim you havent heard anyone lament the lack of money in circulation?... Money in circulation is one of the primary drivers of the high economic indices Nigeria enjoyed prior to 2015. The lack of money in circulation post 2014 (courtesy of oil price drop) is the reason our beautiful economic indices began to tumble from mid-2014. Currently, with oil prices hitting $70, if we go back to the typical government sharing/squandering which we had prior to 2015, I bet you, the GDP growth rate will hit the roof again.

SoNature:
I know that Buhari is not reasonable, but he can prove me wrong by unbundling the power/works/housing sector.

Why would a rational man want a lawyer to lead the power sector?

He should get a dedicated engineer for the sector and redeploy Fashola to works and housing (he is doing a good job there).

More importantly, set a target to end the national grid nonsense!

Every state must generate their own power...if a state cannot, they should buy from a neighboring state that can. The power sector should be commercialized completely. Then get private investors to invest in the sector and supply power to communities.

I know we are not progressing in Nigeria, but why we don't admit that is something I don't understand.

Lack of engineering or technical knowhow isn't the reason why Nigeria lacks electricity. The problem facing the power sector in Nigeria is not an engineering or technical problem, it's an administrative problem and needs a good administrator to solve it. So placing even a nuclear or rocket scientist as minister for power wouldn't automatically solve anything if the person cant navigate the chaotic administrative terrain.

grandstar:
It was not simply because the crude oil prices were high that Nigeria's economy was doibg much better than now. If the oil price today should touch $100, I doubt the growth rate will go beyond 4%.

What you have left out is that Buhari pegged the exchange rate upon assumption of office and this singular policy crippled the Economist and caused a very severe recession that lasted 6 quarters. Nigerian economists such as Soludo, Sanusi and Utomi put the blame on him.

Presently, the country operates a multiple exchange policy which screams quacks are handling the economy. All these are Buhari's doing.

Yes, some growth was due to the high oil price but not all of it. It was primarily due to the fact that the pre-Buhari governments implemented pro market policies.

You're right, the pegging of the exchange rate caused (and may still be causing) some problems, but No, I still stand by my previous statement that the growth we saw before now hitting between 6 & 7% was purely artificial and a function of 2 things; (1) high oil prices and (2) the typical profligacy that follows the easy oil money (i.e. govt sharing/looting money and wildly spending it will always reflect positively on the economy and that was the primary driver of the high gdp growth rates in the recent past)..

Yes the economic policies in the past were logically better, but the effects of those economic policies never really materialised because of the attendant profligacy (corruption) that accompanied leadership. If the 'sound' economic policies in the past were truly responsible for any the growth, how come the gdp rate nosedived instantly from mid-2014 when oil prices began crashing?

Something you're right about however is that even if oil prices hit $120 now, the gdp rate wouldn't automatically bounce up to the highs of 6-7% as was the case in the recent past. But the reason isn't because of "Buhari bad economic policy" as you claim, rather it's because the govt isn't sharing and spending money wildly. With oil prices up to $70 today, the only reason the rate hasnt reached at least 4% is cos the government isnt sharing money and spending indiscriminately like is the typical tradition for Nigerian governments.