₦airaland Forum

I guess the FG has to pay SUBSIDY on power costs too before the DISCOs would be happy and before Nigerians would relax.

lilwetdick:
i guess you dont understand how journalism works, what they do is just copy and paste news from the main source,nothing new that why you see them having the same news

did you read in one of the article where they wrote the women were hanging around the clubs at night when they were arrested..i have been to night clubs before and i can say that many women hang around the clubs just standing and guess who they are prostitutes... prostitution is illegal, if they were normal women..they wont be caught..they will be at their homes sleeping.

we are in nigeria..so the video is nothing new..even in detention, police call journalists when parading suspects...the journalists can ask any question..they do that often all in front of camera not in the back

similar case happened when a guy who dances was arrested with other guys at a hotel..the police called them cultists and one the guy spoke with journalist and had to explain himself.. nothing new

now this video was done by an NGO...we all know how deceptive they are..they want to achieve something..if they were truthful..they will show the girls face

SO what exactly is your point?... DO you now agree there is a report that the girls were assaulted (because you've been dancing around in circles all day claiming that I just fabricated the story)?... Or is your point still that the assault is a lie; that the girls are lying and the 'Nigerian police' are the ones telling the truth?

By the way, I never argued with you whether the girls were prostitutes or not. I only said it's only a matter of time before the uselessly untrained Nigerian policemen start picking up every girl they see on the streets, in bars and in clubs and physically and sexually assaulting them under the guise of arresting prostitutes. No be Naija police again?! Meanwhile whilst prostitution is illegal in the Nigerian constitution, is the raiding of strip clubs, arresting and assaulting of girls (under whatever guise) also lawful?

CodeTemplar:
Decentralization of power supply doesn't connote or imply scrapping of national grid. In USA they have their national grid decentralized into 3 grids and they didn't scrap the national grid to achieve that. Everyone already knows you as an APC govt man here on NL. No need wasting precious time on that.

Oga, I explained the bottlenecks in the Nigerian power problem, I explained how decentralising/liberalising distribution and also providing prepaid meters can help improve the power situation in the country. I also pointed out that laws need to be changed/updated to achieve this and the NASS needs to sit up to effect the changes in law.

Oh yes I support APC any day over PDP, but for the love of God, what exactly has what I explained in this thread got to do with politics of APC or PDP?... Can you not survive without dragging everything into politics?... or are you suffering from some form of politics induced traumatic stress disorder? How exactly did any of my statements connote support for a political party?.. What has this got to do with politics?

shadeyinka:
But this is when the greatest principality of Nigeria the president should have stepped in.

The Nigerian president is so powerful that nothing is impossible with him. But our president seems to have other agenda. In my honest opinion, Buhari isn't part of the "financial cabal" but his lack of action is disturbing. Even Donald Trump is not as constitutionally empowered like the president of Nigeria.

The Nigerian president is programmed and empowered to succeed in almost anything he wants to do BUT Does the president want to solve our power and economic problem?

You will first of all need to ask yourself if your president understands what's going on. Then even if he does, the way and manner in which presidents are elevated in Nigeria makes it almost impossible for any democratic president to stand against the powers that be (a.k.a. the cabals); and this is largely because these so called cabals are the ones who install presidents and who also hold the key to every sector in the country. Go against them and your government would be crippled instantly. Nigeria is just a hopeless situation, a democracy probably wouldn't just work here. WHat Nigeria needs is an autocratic dictator "who chooses to do the right things".

CodeTemplar:
All these are just like subtle attempt at defending a failing govt. Let them solve prepaid metre issue. Anything short of that is a scam.
When fashola was appointed in late 2015, one of the first thing he did was to increase energy rates while he scrapped the service charge. Let him measure what the end users are consuming first via prepaid metering because any attempt at improving power supply without measurement will lead to wider error margin in the current estimated billing system.

What exactly has my explanation on the importance of decentralised/liberalised distribution got to do with defending any government biko? How exactly do some heads manage to interpret everything in life along political lines?

micflo28:
I must say some Nigerians are very useless. A raid on strip club that has led to marriages and homes being broken due to its attraction of married men who neglect their responsibilities to their family. Even married women were caught. Diseases are spread unrestrained. God detests sexual sin so much more he destroyed two beautiful nations he once blessed and preferred. Anyone standing against the raid is a lover of evil. Most of those girls are taken away from their hometowns with juicy promises and exposed to ritualists in the risky trade. They are exploited and made voiceless.

Why don't we all just practice shariah already?... WHy all these waste of time?.. WHy don't we just add shariah laws to our constitution and by so doing, we would be saving marriages and pleasing GOd?

If the girls have been trafficked, or if they are being exploited, why doesn't the police arrest the traffickers and exploiters?

lilwetdick:
you were told by whom...pls stop spreading fake news

Oga stop trying to feign blindness or deafness or ignorance over the news making the rounds that the girls were molested by the police, it's becoming ridiculous. The OP on this thread already mentioned violence against women as one of the basis of the protest. Did you not read that?

Can you swear on the life of your children (born or unborn) that you haven't heard or read of any of these reports?
https://thenationonlineng.net/how-abuja-policemen-raped-assaulted-us-by-convicted-prostitutes/
https://punchng.com/fct-command-probes-sexual-assault-allegations-against-policemen/
https://www.pulse.ng/news/local/abuja-women-narrate-how-they-were-beaten-raped-by-police-officers/wkn4475
https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/how-police-raped-assaulted-us-under-guise-of-being-prostitutes.html

Even random girls going on the road to wherever were also picked up and assaulted on the same guise of prostitution. Corpers were not left out.
https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2019/5/visiting-youth-corps-member-accused-of-prostitution-and-assaulted-by-police-officers-in-abuja-photos.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KUo_Vk86-E

I'm sure @lilwetdick will still come back and ask me source of info again, or maybe this time he will insist the women were lying and police saying the truth.

asuustrike1:
Hmmm!. I wonder what Fashola was thinking when he said anyone can generate and distribute 10mw

Yes that's true according to the current law, but the tiny prints in that same law makes it impractical.

lilwetdick:
several reports by who? eyewitness or bloggers

where is the proof..no video..so how do we conclude that they are saying the truth

If I am told that the Nigerian police assaulted a suspect, and the police (or an anonymous person I'm communicating with online) claims it's a fabricated story, knowing who the Nigerian police is and their antecedents, I'm sorry brother, I know exactly which part of the story to believe so stop trying.

asuustrike1:
Then who controls the distribution lines?

The competing DISCOs can still control the lines under a shared agreement.

lilwetdick:
what proof do you have that they were molested... have you ever been in a raid before..do you think when police or the military come to raid they shake hands with everybody in the club..they come with force and any threat to their force will be seen as an aggression and you will be put to the ground by force.. why are the male customers not carrying out..all I see is the victim mentality

There were several reports of the ladies being molested and assaulted.

uuzba:
In reality, I read all you wrote. But you are linking up multiple unrelated situations.
The type of women that are found in strip clubs and dress indecently are different from the type that are not in strip clubs and dress modestly.
The two kinds of women can never fall under the same umbrella of trouble.

Okay your point is noted, they should be arrested and even sexually assaulted because they are worthless prostitutes working in an illegal strip club; they are clearly the scum of the earth.

But hopefully you will also get my point, if not now, but some day. You're so sure today that it's just a strip club that was raided and only prostitutes arrested so therefore it doesnt matter. But are you so sure these raids and molesting will end in only strip clubs and with indecently dressed ladies?... Hopefully we wouldn't have to worry in the near future about the judgement of our law enforcement officers over what is decent and what is indecent dressing.

lilwetdick:
pls stop preaching..owning a strip club is illegal in Nigeria..first they broke the law..in any sensible society.the club and the girls will be arrested, we all know this,all over the world it happens..police have raided ordinary clubs looking for yahoo boys and this is nothing new..

what is a girl dressing sexy for the in the middle of the night near or inside a strip club? if she is not a prostitute, then i wonder what she is

most of you hate women..if you really like them you will give them a real job and protect them from selling their bodies for cash.

pls stop justifying nonsense..even in advanced countries, they raid and arrest owners and women working in illegal strip clubs

Okay your point is noted, they should be arrested and even sexually assaulted because they are worthless prostitutes working in an illegal strip club; they are clearly the scum of the earth.

But hopefully you will also get my point, if not now, but some day. You're so sure today that it's just a strip club that was raided and so therefore it doesnt matter. But are you so sure these raids and molesting will end in only strip clubs?

uuzba:
Strip club is a bad place. Promoting indecency. Women there are treated as sexual objects.
What is all this other English, you are writing?

You dont have to understand the English now. When the tide comes close to you, you will understand the message.

shadeyinka:
I honestly think there is a grand conspiracy between highly placed people in government and the monopolies that own the electricity generation and distribution.

Fashola attempted to force the discos to supply prepaid meters unfortunately, some higher powers put him to order. I know how government works: it's all about private benefits and hypocrisy.

Of course, just like every other thing which doesnt work in Nigeria, there's always a powerful cabal which benefits from the non-functionality and which would ensure that they resist any change. Power supply is obviously not rocket science, Fashola was right when he made that statement. But where he failed was by underestimating the strenght and political influence of the cabals (a.k.a. the "witches and wizards and principalities and powers" according to Prof Nebo the ex power minister) which would fight day and night to ensure power never comes to Nigeria.

asuustrike1:
Are you implying that the government give licenses to more discos ? So how would customers move from one operator to another? Would there be different distribution lines in a town?.

There wouldnt be a need for new distribution lines, the existing distribution infrastructure can be shared. That's actually how it's done in more developed nations although I agree it would be very difficult to attain that level in Nigeria due to the currently rotten infrastructure.

lilwetdick:
feminists and support of evil

so a strip club was raided by the police then feminists came out to protest

we shouldn't forget that those clubs exploit women and make them mere sexual objects

confuse people

Of course you feel unconcerned today because you believe it's just a strip club; so it doesn't matter if the police illegally raids the place, arrests and even sexually assaults those women because of course, they are just worthless prostitutes. Tomorrow the same police will illegally raid ordinary clubs and bars and arrest and molest any lady at all who dresses sexy; after all, for her to dress sexy, she must have links to prostitution too so it's none of your business.

But guess what?... it's only a matter of time before the same police begins to illegally raid every single place in town to indiscriminately arrest any woman they so feel like. At one point, your sister or your wife may be arrested too and you will start screaming "but she's not a prostitute! But she's not indecently dressed!" But by then it will be too late; you already supported and nurtured the monster by being unbothered today when 'others' are being picked upon, we woukd have already created full shariah law.

shadeyinka:
I agree with you.

In Germany for instance, any private owner of solar installation can sell their excess power to the central utility. The Nigerian government doesn't have any plan for our industrialization hence their lackadaisical attitude to power generation and distribution. It's not rocket science!

Absolutely! The law permitting any individual to generate and sell power is still being played with. On the surface, it appears that it exists and that power generation and sales have been decentralised, but the wordings of the current law makes it impossible for anyone to really delve into power generation and distribution business. The current big DISCOs are enjoying a senseless monopoly and the owners of these DISCOs who are very powerful men (e.g. OBJ, IBB, Emeka Offor etc) are the ones ensuring that that crippling monopoly remains.

Tbis is a problem the NASS needs to sit up and solve.

asuustrike1:
Can you explain the bolded text

Using Lagos as an example, Lagos is controlled by two powerful monopolies; Ikeja distribution company (mainland) and Eko distribution company (island). As an electricity consumer living in the mainland for example, no matter how messed up you think IKDC are treating you, you cannot decide to leave them and join EDC because IKDC is the sole license owner in the mainland so you are stuck with them no matter their performance.

It's just like saying you must use MTN because of your house address. Irrespective of how bad the mtn network and services are, you have no right to use another sim card due to you home location.

shadeyinka:
But the problem is caused by the FG.

If Buhari should announce tomorrow that by 1st June 2019 no one should pay and neither disconnected from power line of they have not been issued a PREPAID meter: watch how they will all sit up and get things in order

There is a conspiracy between some people in Government and the Discos to keep things as it is.

Don't forget that a few years ago, their excuse of privatising NEPA was that from their feasibility studies ALL our electricity problems would be over immediately they sell our national asset to a few Nigerians who had stolen our money through politics

The problem goes beyond just the prepaid meters. Everyone getting a prepaid meter would force the DISCOs to sit up but that's not really where the problem ends.

Laws still need to be amended to permit every Tom Dick and Harry generate and sell power. Currently we're told this is the case, that things have now been liberalised and that individuals can generate and sell but that is not completely true. The DISCOs still exist as large monopolies who already own all the areas. I understand that as an individual who owns a large turbine in a place like Ikeja for instance, even though the current law states that you can sell your excess power to neighbours, the what they did not tell you is that you must get permission from IKDC before you can takeover any of their existing customers, and IKDC will never grant you that permission. This problem has to be solved by the National Assembly.

gabicon:
Every state has its own distribution grid, the national grid feeds these distribution grid. Imagine every state generating its own electricity or a Geopolitical zone generating and transmiting her own electricity, we would have eliminated multiple points of failure which seems to be one of the bottle necks in the national grid. Many industries and churches are already doing it in Lagos , they have their own gas turbine, they generate and even sell to neighboring community.

Hmm... are you sure of the bolded statement above? Are you sure states currently have a mini grid (outside the national grid) that can transmit power around the state if thry were to be disconnected ftom the national grid?

If Delta state for instance is disconnected totally from the national grid, are you sure the power generated at Ughelli can be transmitter to Asaba without touching the national grid?... I dont think so.

mmsen:
Every state may not but every region has some form of capability.

Ahaa.. there you go! Returning to a centralised grid again.

mmsen:
Why is no power generated in those states?

But power cannot be generated everywhere; we aren't talking of 'I pass my neighbour generators' here you know.

shadeyinka:
It's far much more simpler than that:
1. The problem of Nigeria's electricity is Generation:
We need 16GWatt of electricity and we are not even generating 4GWatt.
2. Let ordinary Nigerians be able to sell electricity to the public utility using a special electricity meter from solar.
3. Enforce the use of prepaid meter by All
4. Indigenous technology for generating and maintenance of turbines and alternators is a must.

But there's a far worse rot in distribution than in generation. If the GENCOs were doing well and generating funds to pay the GENCOs for power generated, the GENCOs would have been able to turn more turbines on, service idle ones and even build new plants.

gabicon:
The simple solution to the power problem is decentralize it. Lagos can't be dependent on Benin transmission company even though it has a power station. Scrap national grid it's not working.

If we scrap the national grid, do you know how much it will cost to rewire the entire nation?... If I'm not mistaken, scraping the national grid would entail disconnecting several states from power supply.

Yankee101:
Simple analysis proves you're generally right.

Increase in pvc should translate to increased accreditation

Does increase in number of collected PVCs automatically translate to higher voter turnout on election day?

kingkakaone:
Look at the comment above and tell me why Africa won't remain this way.
Imagine the comments they would have made if this had happened in Nigeria or Africa.
To them anything a white man does is ok but would have looked for a way to introduce bad energy if this had happened here.
They would have called the girl all sort of names if this happened here. Same people who insult ladies here also begs to marry old women from foreign lands.
Inferiority complexed personalities everywhere.

The white men may have claimed Africans got independence,from it the mental slavery never ended.

The king is 66 years old and the new wife is a 40 year old mature woman, not an 18 year old teen who just started menstruating. Therein lies your difference.

olas24u:
How many countries have you been?even in india an emerging market country you will meet a doctor at any hour in a government hospital doing is own shift. Go and sleep

Look madam abeg you win!... It is pointless arguing with a person who doesnt know and who has bluntly refuse to learn that there's a difference between standard GP consultations and emergency cases.

If you like, when you have something as little as a rash on your hand, you can go to india and walk into a hospital by 2am, maybe witch doctors would attend to you. Bye!

olas24u:
They do shifts ,and people are paid per hour of work and it's 24hrs .it is wrong to pray in the hospital .it is wrong .

Doctors for 24 hours consultation in your village right?.. lol.. some people are stibbornly ignorant.

olas24u:
Just trying to suite your own narrative,nobody will be praying during working hours and,and you can walk in to see a doctor on duty because it is 24h service,and people are paid per hours ,so you cannot do that,it is a private business,you pray at home or privately.stop supporting rubbish ,they teach ethics ,and you should also use common sense.

What exactly do you understand by the term "working hours" and why exactly do you think working hours in every organisation must be the same?... If this particular hospital has 9:00am for instance as it's official start time, of which they choose to carry out morning prayers by 08:30am, how exactly is that your freaking business what they do before their official start time?

To correct another gaffe you keep repeating, no normal hospital around the globe operates a 24 hour consultation service, some hospitals don't even offer consultation services on all weekdays. You claimed to be exposed so I'm confused why you wouldn't know this. A patient can only be attended to outside official consultation hours if and only if it is an emergency. Stop embarrassing yourself abeg; several people on this thread have explained this to you.

I guess this is all about demand and supply.