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Funny the way some folks reason and interpret things. I've learnt one new one today courtesy of some bright folks on this thread.

"A graduate who doesnt go for nysc is a criminal; regardless of whether he opts for his personal business or whether he even chooses to relocate from Nigeria. Earning a university degree certificate and not obtaining nysc cert makes you an automatic criminal."

0monnak0da:
Breezy brainless bluster

Lol... keep firing! Your words speak volumes of yourself (vis a vis your mental state) and your upbringing. Kudos to your parents.

chloride6:
Yes you can. The NYSC Act says so

So in essence you're saying a man who graduates and then dumps his uni certificate to focus on his main market business is automatically a criminal courtesy of some flimsy sentences in the NYSC Act?... lol

Take that sentence to court and watch how you will be disgraced from the gates.

0monnak0da:
weak ,watery waffle.
Embarrassing. I shame for yòu

How can a shameless person possibly feel shame for someone else?... Is there really a limit to what one sees and reads on this forum?

0monnak0da:
It is not practice just being yourself

You mean trying to be you?... sorry boy! Enjoy your early morning buffoonery alone.

0monnak0da:
That is beer parlour logic.
Go and read the NYSC act 13(2)
You cannot Dump your certificate. Once you graduate before the age of 30 you MUST serve IF YOU WANT TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT WITHIN NIGERIA WITH YOUR DEGREE.

It is not optional
Not only must you serve failure to serve is punishable by prison.

Fixed!

If I graduate and decide to dump my certificate and go into private business, I break no law. Being educated is not a crime, obtaining a degree is not a crime. And if anybody or institution decides to challenge this simple commonsensical fact, such a person or institution will be summarily disgraced in any court.

0monnak0da:
You are entitled to be foolish, the constitution guarantees that

Yes I am entitled to be foolish whenever I want. But unlike you, I choose not to practice that right today. Thanks.

agabusta:
Your submission is incorrect if you put it side by side with the provisions of the NYSC Act. Reference a snippet of the Act posted below please.

You do not read things like this in isolation. You cannot criminalise a person simply because they have a degree. The worst the Act can do is prevent such person from securing job roles which require a degree. Anything other than that, if anyone tries to raise dust based on the nysc act, the court would be left to decide on that; and the upside down logic of the nysc act would certainly be rubbished.

0monnak0da:
Question has nothing to do with me or anything I said so if the problem is not comprehension it is mental.
We are talking about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala

Oh you still do not get the point?... But you were the one who few seconds ago, placed yourself on a high mental pedestal. How come the simple point being fed to you is too difficult for you to mentally grasp?

In simple terms, the nysc act is rubbish. You cannot criminalise a person for not serving a country. The best it can do is prevent them from securing job appointments which require degree qualifications because a degree qualification in Nigeria MUST be accompanied by an NYSC cert. However, if the person settles for a position not requiring a degree qualification, NYSC cert will be as useless as the 'P' in psychology.

0monnak0da:
Go and learn English this is not the place for that.
This is for educated people with no comprehension problems

I dont have an English comprehension problem. I was simply asking you the simple question that would be asked in court to rubbish the so callled nysc act before the case would be thrown out.

0monnak0da:
This is not a qualification issue
It is a criminality issue
Failure to serve is punishable by prison. It is a CRIME.
If you never knew that learn it today.
Just like some countries have compulsory military service with prison for defaulters so also for NYSC. It is mandatory for eligible people and not serving attracts 1 year in prison

0monnak0da:
That is beer parlour logic.
Go and read the NYSC act 13(2)
You cannot Dump your certificate. Once you graduate before the age of 30 you MUST serve.
It is not optional
Not only must you serve failure to serve is punishable by prison.

So what if I dont graduate? So every non graduate in Nigeria is a criminal because they havent served?

dustmalik:
Are you 100% sure of the emboldened? Because i very much doubt it.

For elective positions like president, gobernors, senators, reps, and even non elective ministerial positions, minimum requirement in terms of qualification is SSCE.

seunmsg:
Very wrong. Any Nigerian that graduates before the age of 30 is under legal compulsion to do NYSC except such a person had served in the military or police force before graduating. Skipping NYSC is a criminal offense punishable by law. Criminal case will be instituted against her immediately she lands in Nigeria by SERAP and even political opponents. Why did you think APC screened out Shitu?

I think this is the time for all of us to demand for the amendment of that silly NYSC act and not start looking for loopholes for people we love. The NYSC table that fell Kemi Adeosun still have so many people on it. It will be over sensationalized in Ngozi Okonjo Iweala's case if true.

agabusta:
You are right. But what a smart opponent will do is just to instigate a case against them that they have committed a criminal offence by not submitting themselves for National service as demanded by Nigerian laws.

The outcome of the case is what will damage the affected person's candidacy.

Being a graduate does not automatically make one a criminal simply because they don't have NYSC. I believe that is only necessary if you are vying for a position that requires your degree certificate (e.g. head of parastatals, public enterprises, civil service positions). If I dump my degree certificates and tender only my SSCE result as my highest qualification, I have no case to answer to anyone. This would be a very simple issue for the court to clarify if any so called political opponent decides to raise dust; this is very simple logic and the case would be thrown out sane day.

Kemi's case was different, she had a problem because she tendered a degree certificate and then submitted a fake NYSC document. She was simply bullied out of power. If she decided to fight it, she could have found a way out; just that the fake certificate made things a bit messy for her.

alezzy13:
This issue has been trashed here many times before, if I'm not mistaken.

Okonjo Iweala, Allison Maduaeke, Utomi and a host of other public offiers did not serve, DESPITE BEING ELIGIBLE TO DO SO.

In the case of the first two ladies, it was even raised by the Senate during their screening, bit they were still confirmed as ministers.

The law is clear. If one graduates before 30yers, you must undergo the compulsory one year service.

The minimum requirement to contest for elective positions or to be appointed a minister in Nigeria is WAEC result. If lack of NYSC certificate becomes an issue for those you listed above, all they need do is just present their WAEC results.

EmekaMD:
Have you ever heard anybody who didn't vote Buhari in 2015 now saying he's gonna vote him in 2019? Little or non

Now have you heard anybody who voted for Buhari in 2015 and have now sworn to kick him out in 2019? The answer is yes.. about 50% of the people ..


So. The 12million people who didn't vote Bubu in 2015 will not vote for him again still

And out of the 15million that voted for him in 2015 he is losing 7.5million of them..

This translates to to Atiku getting 12million +7.5million..

Do the maths and start sending in your good wishes to incoming President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria Alhaji Atiku Abubakar..

Too many kindergarten election analysts parading themselves all over the place.

In 2015, despite not being in power, Buhari had 15m votes; in 2019, the most he will lose from that figure is 3-5 million, and most of the lost supporters would never vote for PDP, let alone Atiku. Something else you fail to realise is the fact that APC didnt exist in the SS and SE in 2015; but it now has an established presence. If the total numbers pulled by APC in the SS and SE in 2015 was 300k, with APC's current structure and presence in these zones, that number will grow to over a million in 2019.

For the SW, they always sit on the fence; results from the SW would be 50-50, or if anyone wins, the margin would be very insignificant (Osun election result will be the template). Despite whatever performance of apc, the SW understands that even if Atiku may make a better president, it wouldn't be to their political advantage to abandon their beloved APC and be subject to PDP. The SW also understands that if they are patient with PMB and wait it out till 2023, the presidency would most certainly return to them. So if you think the SW where apc holds strong in all 6 states will turn around and vote PDP enmass, you are certainly a naive analyst.

As far as 2019 is concerned, due to the penetration of APc into the ss/se, and the fact that pdp is still fielding another aboki, pdp may not even get up to the number of votes it gathered in 2015 due to voter apathy (many wouldn't bother themselves to come out and vote since its aboki vs aboki). Ipob effects again might force certain numbers to boycott elections. And finally, the votes in the south would be seriously shared; at least 500k potential Pdp votes would be lost to SDP (donald duke), YPP (Muoghalu), AAC (Sowore) and ANN (Durotoye).

For the core north (Ne/nw), Apc may not get the same number of votes it got in 2015 too, but the difference would likely be insignificant. For the SW and north central, the results would still be 50-50; things may slightly tilt in favour of pdp in the middle belt but that would only be in benue and plateau and maybe taraba.

All in all, I woukd like to see an Atiku presidency, but you just cant get too excited after the kindergarten analysis you gave above bro; it's still a very tight election but when you then factor in the power of incumbency by apc, you might just have to stop being too excited for now ro avoid high BP in 2019. Atiku has one hell of work to do if he must dislodge an incumbent.

shizzleStar:
First time you are making a reasonable comment in ages on nairaland. I pray the spirit of zombeism depart from you henceforth

May it depart when yours is exorcised. Can I get an Men?

Peter Obi!

If Atiku picks his vice from the SW, that would be automatic victory for Buhari. Today the SE stands as the greatest opposition to Buhari and APC. Disregarding the SE and picking a running mate from the SW would be a very distasteful insult to the SE which would consequently result in widespread voter apathy.

oluwaseyi000:

Congratulations Atiku.

Most Nigerians are not impressed by the performance of buhari, the so called corruption-fight is a big scam use to hoodwink Nigerians, if akpabio, tinubu , and a whole lots of corrupt people both in APC and PDP are walking free then who has buhari been prosecuting, even the few in jails are buying nomination form from prison, it's an understatement to say even obasanjo anti corruption is far better than this, I will personally cut some slack on whatever they accuse Atiku of since the APC camp is worse,

I voted against Jonathan not because I think buhari is the best but I'm simply not impressed with Jonathan performance same thing repeating itself, I am not impressed by buhari, I can't really see any economic blueprint from him so I will rather vote next most feasible person to take over from him


Nothing personal, tribal or religious, just want the best for my country

You've said it all, Buhari's leadership has been disappointing to say the least; so I guess the next way forward is to Atikulate something new. It would however be painful seeing PDP take over at the centre again. So I guess one would have to just abstain from this election.

Interesting!... Now the 2019 election will be interesting. Atiku has struggled for this consistently for 15 years and now he's finally come close to his dreams
For some reason, he seems to be the best candidate out of the others presented by PDP. Although it's acknowledged he's just another crook, but amongst all the crooks (and lifeless folks) across political parties, he seems to be someone I feel may be able to make a difference as president. It's just sad that he's the candidate of the killer party PDP; kaii! How can I possibly support PDp?

rickyrex:
so you are among those students that botresses their point in the middle of an essay. If I be your teacher I go done mark you fail before u realise say you need to start with a good point to keep me going

I gave an exhaustive answer to your question, explaining to you how you would have failed if it were an exam question you were answering. Topic dey talk of ABC, you dey ask question of 123; i.e. your question was off point. My advice to you was simple from the start, stick to the topic of discussion.

mr1759:
if it is true she wasn't there then I blame Pastor Chris , one person does not give birth to a child the woman carry that child in her womb , she raised the child you can't muscle her out simply because you are the man, painfully I see a lot female here satisfied pastor Chris gave out his daughter without her ex wife approval

You really think pastor Chris is the one that drove her out?... I can bet my last dime, she was begged severely to attend the wedding bit she bluntly refused because this particular daughter is closer to her dad. Do you want the man to kill himself?

GoTV:
As a born again Christian, I'm ashamed people still attend this man's church or seek marital counselling in his church despite his failed marriage. The bible says in the book of Psalms that a man shall leave his parents and stick to any amount of women he desires. Yet this man heads a church and he couldn't resolve his marital crisis to the extent that his Ex wife doesn't deem it fit to attend their daughters marriage yet this unforgiving pretenders sold millions of copies of Rhapsody of realities to millions of gullible Christians. Even if he was a chronic womanizer as alleged by the bitter wife, they couldn't shield their swords for their daughter's sake I'm sometimes ashamed to be a Christian. Hate them or not Muslims are better than we Christians cos they practice what they preach

From all indications, it appears the woman is the one having a grudge against the rest of the family. It seems this particular daughter is closer to the dad, and the mum must have been begged to attend the wedding but she refused. You can't crucify the man for that.

CodeTemplar:
You soggy though ... things are getting worse under buhari....

But that isn't what we were talking about...

rickyrex:
well I asked a question of two lines, you've spent the whole day try to make a point. I never requested for term paper or project work. well don't bother about the questions. have a nice day

Some people find it very difficult to stay focused on the topic. In such circumstances, it becomes necessary to give them an epistle in hope that it might get them to comprehend. I doubt this approach even works for you still.

Almost all Nigerian politicians are corrupt thieves; so may the best win. Me thinks Atiku would be a better competition for Buhari.

madridsta007:
I have never said Mr A was perfect. Far from it.
Being called a "democrat" does not, of course mean one is perfect. The United States is a democracy but the black man in the US will tell you otherwise- police brutality, institutionalised racism, prison industrial complex etc.
However, comparatively, one can easily place democracts and military men in different groups, in the Nigerian context. The military man, for instance, has no qualms in sending soldiers to brutalise civilians, as in Odi, Zaki Biam and Operation Python Dance in the South East. The democrat, however, will be hesitant in applying such despotic force because he is not a military man.
It is that simple.

Nigeria should be an evolving democracy- if it is to grow in democracy- where the next regime displays more commitment to democratic tenets than the previous one. Today, as widely agreed, it is not the case. The present regime has even boasted that the rule of law is secondary to what is called, "national security"- that amorphous, self-defining line.

As for asking for the "change", I think it is a fair question to ask. Even core APC persons have and are still asking the same thing.

Your point is duly noted. But I hope you got my own point?... the narrative should be better articulated next time; the narrative repeated on this thread by several persons makes it seem as though we had anything close to a democracy before now. That is obviously not the case.

madridsta007:
I guess so.
Hence people were swindled with “Change”.
A worse Change. An economically debilitating “change”.

Haha... the all too typical response one gets whenever the deliberate deceit is busted; "where is the change?"

The point I was trying to make was simple, is it too difficult for people to do the honourable thing by speaking the truth?

If you acknowledge that Mr A was filthy before Mr B, why then do you keep twisting the narrative by claiming Mr B is the inventor of this filth?.... If you acknowledge that the exact undemocratic events we see today also happened under GEJ, why then do you keep peddling the lie that we had a democracy yesterday but the democract is being killed by buhari today?.... How exactly do you feel when you knowingly tell that lie with a straight face?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7908124_img20181006wa0005_jpegb8219ac96be65afd85e4b3c49721340e
Why do the other 2 men in this picture look gay?.. or is it just me?

madridsta007:
Peaceful protests always start up in calmness.
Till the police or army violently clamp down against it.

GEJ is a Democrat. And Ya Ardua. Don’t expect a Democrat to send in security forces to crush a peaceful protest. The lifeless one did what he did because he is not a Democrat.

The same GEJ that teargased Tambuwal and prevented him from entering the NASS complex?... The same GEJ that teargased Amaechu and prevented him from entering Rivers government house?... The same GEJ that told the world that 16 was greater than 19 and prevented Amaechi from being pronounced winner of the NGF elections?.... The same GEJ that used the military to violently rig Ekiti state elections in 2014, locked the sitting governor inside govt house and fed him with cocktails of teargas till PDP took over the election?....

Self inflicted amnesia!

rickyrex:
name one positive change in your life ever since this regime took over. Not an insult just a question

Lol... diversion as usual... That's always what happens whenever fake assertions like those on this thread are busted... I was even expecting you to use the other very common response in situations like this "so where is the change?".... Oga learn to stick to the subject of the thread. That's how people fail exams. They ask 'A', you're answering 'B'

A lot of people on this thread kept ranting about how democracy has been killed by Buhari. I simply corrected that flawed notion that democracy was never alive; and something which was never alive can't be killed. If you want to get answers on whatever this regime has done right, go open another thread and try to contact members of APc for your answers.

LuciferKristi:
Buhari was only calm because he is lifeless.

If he had made any sudden move, he'd be dead.

Lol... One thing is acknowledged here; that the protest rally was orderly and calm, and there was no attempt by thugs like Dino to push down a police barrier. The difference between the protest in 2014 and the one of yesterday is crystal clear.

Meanwhile for those shouting about "Buhari killing democracy", a lot of these folk are suffering from self inflicted amnesia because there's nothing happening today which didnt happen under GEJ and OBJ. So in reality, Nigeria has NEVER had a real democracy.

One person I feel sorry for in yesterdays events is Tambuwal though, oga was teargased under GEJ's so called democracy while he was speaker, now he's being teargased under Buhari's democracy as a governor.

Very good idea!... The government should NEVER be allowed to run/operate anything in this country if it must work efficiently and profitably.