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laudate:
Yeah.....OBJ paid back money, and OBJ saved money. What next??

Other countries would have taken part of those funds, and invested it in developing infrastructure to make life better for its citizenry, creating jobs to improve the lot of its people, improving healthcare to prevent (or at least, reduce) mortality and driving commerce to make it easier for companies to do business.

On the social and financial well-being index, how were Nigerian citizens faring under OBJ?

Am not saying his successors were perfect, but OBJ's holier-than-thou attitude makes me puke!

And why have you never considered that it could be proper planning?... Which leader likes to just sit down and watch as his people suffer even when there's money in the account?

Do you really think OBJ not awarding contracts randomly (even though the funds were piling up in the reserves), do you honestly think that is an act of a man who didn't know where he was going to?

So how do you compare that with the one who has finally spent al the money yet we still remain where we are?... Think bro.. try and see the bigger picture. Don't try to view this only through the lense of politics; this is common sense.

laudate:
Biko, if an action can give birth to "positive economic, political and social impacts" (to use your words) even if those 'mere' actions are not visible or quantifiable, then it means such impact can be verified.

Please provide verifiable proofs of the positive economic, political and social impact that OBJ's 'mere' actions had on the lives of ordinary Nigerians, when he was in power.

As for seeing the things that put food on our tables, I make no apologies for that. Are you advocating that we should turn a blind eye to those things, if they are legitimate and appropriate, and end up dying of hunger??

Bros, it is those things which put food on our tables, shelter over our heads, clothes on our backs, healthcare at our doorstep, education in our schools and jobs which provide a regular, sustainable paycheck, that enable us to have something called "quality of life." Others would call it "contributing to our well-being."

Just like I said, it is only typical for people not to see underlying efforts, most people are totally incapable of seeing or appreciating the big picture.

The moneys spent by Yaradua and GEJ for those projects you laud them for, a chunk of those moneys were saved by OBJ. OBJ met a foreign reserve of $5billion dollars when he assumed office but he grew that amount to over forty something billion dollars by the time he left office. OBJ also created the ECA account and grew it from zero to over $20 billion dollars by the time he left office. OBJ also wiped our external debts from over thirty something billion dollars to less than 5 billion. The question I ask is, what did other administrations do apart from reducing these savings to zero with next to nothing to show for it?... Yet we celebrate them and claim OBJ was a useless baboon.

No doubt that OBJ was a corrupt man too, but I find it rather repulsive that he is being adjudged as having achieved absolutely 'nothing' for Nigeria.

chuna1985:
Olodo ur not from SE.

Deluded s waste foooool.

Okay I am not from the SE again... I hope that make your shitty brain feel better... okoko

Excellentmind:
I sincerely disagree with you, not because you're a staunch supporter of OBJ or from Southwest where majority of the people think of themselves alone, but because you know the truth and choose to hide it. As for you, OBJ is popular today, with the west and some African nations who are bent on ensuring that Nigeria is destroyed at all costs. In his eight years as President of Nigeria, OBJ succeeded in ceding our ancestral land to Cameroon and rendered us homeless, claiming implementation of ICJ ruling which has never been obeyed elsewhere in the world, all in a bid to impress his masters. Many are dead others are in agonies, but OBJ is in his ancestral land talking from the sides of his mouth like a parrot which has eaten too much pepper. Take it or leave it, either OBJ or his children will pay for it.

Bro, first of all, i am from the south east. The only difference between both of us however is that I have chosen to be objective in my approach in national issues. Your blabbing about south westerners and Cameroon and ICJ etc is more than enough evidence to confirm your lack of objectivity. You do not deserve a further response.. Good day!

chuna1985:
Ur not mad, it's just that madness is chasing u around. S waste.

I am from the SE you slowpoke

Reference:
Like the Ajaokuta Warri rail line. Find out exactly when work commenced and the timeline to its completion if at all it is actually finished because contract was first awarded by the Babangida regime in 1986 and only the main section had been completed by last year. Technically it is still an abandoned project, not complete.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/fg-commences-passenger-service-on-warri-ajaokuta-railway-soon/75871/
The work commenced in the IBB days and was abandoned without any progress. The 276km ajaokuta -warri rail project was revived under OBJ as part of OBJ's rail modernisation project and a large chunk of the line (over 90%) was built by julius berger before it was abandoned again. As part of the modernisation project, the abuja to kano standard rail project was also awarded by OBJ but it was cancelled when Yaradua took over due to the fraud in the contract award. After Yaradua's death, GEJ revived the project again and completed the remaining 22km of the ajaukuta line connecting it to warri. GEJ also re-awarded and completed the abuja to kaduna standard rails. These are presently the only 2 standard rail lines in west africa. My point is simple, why not follow the masterplan and give Nigerians modern trains?... why did they have to deviate after the abuja-kaduna rail and instead, start renovating the 1903 obsolete narrow gauge rails between lagos and kano which cannot support new trains?... Now we have the useless archaic trains which take 2 days to travel from lagos to kano, yet people celebrate this nonsense by saying it is air-conditioned. Meanwhile the trains are already derailing all over the place.

April4th:
What nonsense are you talking about? As far as Nigeria is concerned,Chief Olusegun Aremu Obadanjo did nothing as president of The Federal Republic of Nigeria. At least you that knows progress and achievements,show me one laudable achievement of the obj administration.

Once again I would say, it is not your fault that you do not understand this. It is not in our nature as Africans to understand the principles of long term economics. All we understand and appreciate is a thing which puts food instantly on our tables.

April4th:
Stop deceiving yourself,OBJ did nothing. In his 8yrs in office,the only thing he could boast of is gsm. Look at Delta steel company he spent billions of dollars trying to revive and finally sold it to Arcellor Mittal for $30m,not to talk of the billions he also spent on Warri refinery that never refined even a liter of oil. Pls

Typical African mind, your only measure of achievement or progress is something that puts food on your plate today today. You are not alone, dont worry.

laudate:
Na God I take beg you, please free your mind.

OBJ merely repaid loans that Nigeria had taken from the World Bank and other international financial institutions. That was the mission Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala was paid to do and she was rewarded with a promotion at the World Bank! How did that increase Nigeria's standing, or the way the rest of the world viewed her citizens? During that period, I know how Nigerians were still being discriminated against at major international airports and foreign embassies here, simply because of their green passport, oh!

How much foreign direct investment was recorded under OBJ?

What was the level of infrastructure development recorded under OBJ?

Even the old Lagos Abeokuta Road leading to OBJ's farms remained an eyesore under OBJ's regime and it is still an eyesore till today, with its daily traffic nightmare and horrible craters called potholes.

All over the world, governments arrange financing and use it to deliver projects that can be seen by all and sundry. So please stop waxing lyrical or biblical, by comparing David and Solomon's era. Even the Bible records all the projects that David completed, during his tenure. Only the temple was not built, because God said "his hands had been stained by blood!" David did not lack the will, the strength, the vision or the ability to build it!

Just like I mentioned earlier, the positive economic, political and social impacts of those 'mere' actions are not visible or quantifiable. So it is very okay if you and I don't see them. As typical Africans, all we can see are the things that immediately put food on our tables.

laudate:
And how many tonnes of steel have been moved by the standard gauge rail tracks constructed from Ajaokuta to Warri? How many passengers have ridden on those tracks? Don't forget that Ajaokuta Steel is still comatose till today.

I said earlier that OBJ should be smacked on the bum for his tardiness. After reading this, I believe he should be flogged for spending 8 years to create a design!!!

As for GEJ, he needs to be publicly exposed and brought to book, if what you have written here is true!

I was only pointing out the bit which OBJ did in his tenure which people have refused to see (because it seems invisible). OBJ gathered the funds required for development and also made Nigeria credit worthy and politically respected worldwide. He picked Nigeria from the gutter in 1999 and gave us a reputation and a huge bank account; this fact I am sure you cannot dispute. It was left to his successors to build on what he had gathered (funds and reputation), but they all squandered it and returned us to nothing.

Even King David of the Bible in his tenure gathered the materials needed to build the temple; Solomon eventually did the building. You cannot underestimate the importance of the 'gathering' phase. However, it is only a typical African man who only cares about the food he eats today that does not think the 'gathering' phase is of any importance. We only think progress is when a new road is built or dualised or when a public building is repainted. Bro, real progress goes way beyond that.

This is the reason why most of our leaders dont plan big projects, they only engage in microscopic shabby projects which they can complete within their tenures so all the praise and glory goes to them, but this is the exact thing which differentiates Africa from the developed world.

signz:
I can show you a link to Buhari being sworn in as President of Nigeria if you want.

What you mentioned are major projects and should have been mentioned by the media.

I made several statements, which exact point do you need a link for?

ahaz:
see dis goat, so you ND OBJ took eight years to design without work abi, you also used eight years to draw a blueprint on power ND spent 16 billion in the process, shameless slowpoke

B4 you insult someone, are you aware that GEJ spent about the same amoount on power in his 5 years?... How many megawatts did his administration add to Nigeria?.... How many power plants did he start and finish?

signz:
Please source of this story. Any link?

That is not a news report, it is simple public knowledge to those who care to know. Do you need a source to know that Buhari is the president of NIgeria?

Ucheosefoh:
I don't know I found this funny Obj you that waste eight years without adding any track still has the gut to talk. I wonder why this shameless man can't rest and enjoy his loot in peace.

Etruth:
Baba, anyone perptually high on ogogoro can never make right decisions. That aside, Baba when you were there, you did nothing. All the federal roads were death traps in your time. While I do not approve of GEJ and his Scamformation Agenda or Scam-P, he did far better than you infrastructure-wise.

For those of you wondering what OBJ did in 8 years, you are not to be blamed. Most Nigerian Africans only see the present and are incapable of looking into the future or seeing the bigger picture. To most Africans, a good president is the one that builds/renovates roads for immediate consumption.

Obj saved several billions of dollars in his 8 years of leadership so that his successor will have funds to bring about massive infrastructural development. Go and check the amount he met in Nigerian coffers in 1999 when he assumed office and also check the amount he left behind when he left. Good leadership requires forward thinking, vision and proper planning. It is not about indiscriminately awarding contracts or what you achieve now, but rather, it is about what your efforts achieve much later for your constituents.

After many years of military rule, OBJ successfully lifted Nigeria out of a deep economic and political pit and placed Nigeria on the world economic map. OBJ cleared Nigeria's external debts and boosted our foreign reserves like never before. The reason behind that was to strengthen Nigeria's credit worthiness and restore Nigeria's political relevance in the international scheme of things. OBJ's 'wasted' 8 years was wasted in building a mega-momentum for the nation to launch us into massive infrastructural development. Unfortunately for OBJ and for Nigeria, OBJ never knew his successors were going to be visionless, irresponsible wasters.

The train tracks you talk about, it was under OBJ's regime that the masterplan of the modernised Nigerian railway system was prepared. OBJ successfully constructed the Ajaokuta - Warri standard gauge line (which is of great economic importance to the steel cities) and he was about commencing the Abuja to Kaduna standard gauge rail when he handed over to Yaradua. However GEJ came in and renovated the 1903 narrow gauge tracks from Lagos to Kano instead of following the masterplan which was meant to replace the old tracks with modern standard gauges. Now we can only have snail speed trains and people are celebrating GEJ and insulting OBJ. A little investigation would even reveal that the money squandered in resuscitating the 1903 lines would have at least built half of the modern lines thereby giving us standard world class high speed trains.

Another Ijaw man appointed!.. When will they appoint Igbo?

_{**runs away from thread**}

Vanquay:
This Man is Jobless......that's the job of his Minister of Foreign affairs or His Army Generals. All I see is a GoatCOW that enjoys the luxuries of The Presidential Jet.

At least we know the Seats in the Presidential Jets are comfortable enough for the COW to enjoy flying too much

Do you know what you are?.... an IDIOT!

..and an idiiot does not deserve an explanation on what PMB is going to do in Cameroon because your microscopic brain wouldnt still assimilate it.

Every single thing about this 8th NASS is just controversial. Very soon someone will raise another crisis because of the flouting of the senate standing orders.

And how is it the business of Metuh/PDP who Lai Mohammed serves?

Is this what the joblessness of Mr Metuh or the clueless, convoluted opposition of PDP has gotten to?

FowlYansh:
The battle life will be draw between me and any nairalander that calls baba a dulard from today.

I rest my case

Abii oo... They called GEJ clueless, and the man became even more clueless to the detriment of Nigeria and Nigerians. Now they are calling the present guy dullard.. God help us!

disloman:
I remember last tyme when u wailers saying he should go to court.Now he's in court,u wailer still wailing.Una no get life ni?

The matter tire me... I think they would just keep wailing till 2023.

Since Ive been following this Saraki wife issue, I've always assumed Saraki to be a PDP man... but then it just dawned on me once again that Saraki is actually in the APC.

A queer case of a PDP man in APC clothing.

SouthernBreeze:
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Only a stupiid person resorts to insults when asked to kindly explain the meaning of his own words. I didnt even know I was conversing with one earlier.. Good night.

SouthernBreeze:
I was expecting this kind of childish quote. It's just so unfortunate it comes from you. Why is it that you must always defend falsehood? I weep for your type

Please can you kindly explain what you mean by 'falsehood' based on the topic being discussed and based on my response?

Is it asking you to wait until a reasonable time has elapsed before you start expecting completed projects or is it my statement that Dino or anybody has a right to take pictures?.... What exactly do you mean when you say falsehood?

basilo101:
BH are terrorists and not a regular army. If u are waiting 4 face to face fight, u r on a long thin

On the contrary, you are the one who is on a long thing... By this time last year, BH was engaging in face to face battles with the NA on a daily basis. On several occasions, soldiers were overwhelmed and took to their heels with several being murdered, NA barracks and armories being looted freely by BH and large Nigerian towns being siezed and ruled by BH for several months. But all that is no more and will never be allowed to happen again, that's what the general is trying to say.

BH forces have now been decimated and they are scattered in several directions. Their present strategy is to just attack soft defenseless targets such as markets with suicide bombers. That is a classical sign of a decimated force, but sadly, this is the most difficult phase of the battle. Even the almighty US couldnt clinch victory in iraq and Afghanistan when their enemies resorted to attacking soft targets.

SouthernBreeze:
This government record the most photographed of any regime in Nigeria. When are we seeing pix of them commissioning a project?. I pray God see us through in the hands of these sets of paparazzi politicians in the name of change

You want to see commisioning of projects in the first 50 day?... Even if its a barbing saloon it would take longer... Stop being ridiculous.

Besides, its the man's right to take personal pictures; its also your right to stop going to invade his private photo albums to start complaining.

Everyday I just wish I wasnt a Nigerian... With the way in which the masses have been impoverished by evil greedy thieving political leaders for decades, how can any right thinking human not be in support of probing past leaders and recovering stolen funds?

It is only a thief that would be uncomfortable when he hears the word 'probe.' Consequently, it is okay to mention here that all these desperately evil people calling for Buhari not to probe the last administration, all these people know for a fact that the last administration was filled with thieves. What kind of humans are we for Christ sake?.... Because of the love of 1 man (GEJ), millions are willing to keep suffering for life. Sometimes I just wonder why I was born into this zoo called Nigeria.

Oh God, how I wish Buhari was still a military man. That is what Nigeria and Nigerians dearly need at this time.

ElekeNtioba:
The mistake i made was not finding out other Africans ladies who were once VP, I limited my argument to just Oby and Arunma. Its unlike me bt its saturday and I was kinda busy.

As for apologies, u ar fooling urself kid. Supporting a dullard who has history of sectarianism and divisive politics has earned u a place on my shitlist so dont even go there.

Well as for that, I would rather support a dullard than support a proven imbecille; a case of a lesser evil.

SolutionsGuy:
All this ur grammar no get head . . .

https://www.nairaland.com/2477132/oby-ezekwesili-gets-apology-cnbc

My broda the matter tire me. When I read the kind of comments some of my compatriots make, it just weakens me. A fact which is as clear as glass, people just jump up on a faithful saturday morning and start spewing trash because they saw a tweet by cnbc... Kaii... I dey shame to be Nigerian sometimes.

ElekeNtioba:
idiota read my post well before u reply me. CNBC tweet that called her the "1st African Woman VP" (not just treasury) is still up. Their clarifications between her appointment and Oby's former position is still up too. So CNBC are ignoramuses also

I only posted to show why they are correct in their assertion.

Why dont u read between the lines instead of coming at me with a daft rebuttal.

As you can see, CNBC are not ignoramuses, they are simply humans and can make errors. On the other hand, you have proven yourself beyond doubt today to be an ignoramus for thinking CNBC were gods who were incapable of making errors; you believed CNBC reporters were more knowledgeable in the matters of the world bank than Oby who had previously worked there as a vice president. The most ridiculous aspect of your sorry case is that even though several people (including myself) pointed out with clear evidence that CNBC made an error, even though you had the privilege of the internet to just do a 2 minutes confirmation from the world bank website, you were still adamantly insulting everyone.

A simple lesson you should have learnt today, hate will only eat you up; most times it starts by eating up your brains and eroding your ability to reason objectively. CNBC has now apologised for their error, an apology from you to all the people you insulted today would be in order.

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