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rhektor:
I still find it difficult to accept this your explanation of Èṣù. If the Yorùbá has this in his oríkì "a báni wá ọ̀ràn bá ò rí dá" The one who get you troubles even when you don't know how to /the one who get you into trouble when there's seems to be no trouble. Then we can infer that Yorùbá concept of Èṣù is not of a saviour but and evil doer. I don't know where you got your concept of èṣù as a saviour from but I'm sure it is not right. Nothing depicts Èṣù as a saviour in his oríkì. Laaroye ọkùnrin ogún, belekun sunkún keru o bá elekun, this line shows that èṣù escalates matters not that he reduce it. Secondly, to claim that the Hebrew do not have a concept of evil is just too vague. Did you actually read the Bible and how it depict the Jewish nation? If yes you would have noticed that Satan was mentioned in the old testament and in the new so how come they do not have the concept of what was very obvious in their history? You in fact flawed your logic by writing this "can good exist without evil" you further stated just like Job in the old testament sated that can we receive good without evil? You claim because God permit evil then the idea that the devil is not the doer of evil. How much has the devil paid you to venerate him? Mr olu please review your comment above and present it the way it should be

Abani wa oran ba o rida Yes that is Esu....Esu is police of God " he will always expose evil doer be warned , Only evil people fear Esu.. Esu was extremely feared before the coming of western religion..learn understand Yoruba language First..you people are too educated in western education... esu is not your satan please

https://vimeo.com/42690313 click to watch nojim mayeigun

Hmmm

prolog2:
tao, you seem to be missing the very clear point and on purpose. I don't give an f about your froebenius. The question was: show me the ife art which decorated ife palace before the brits arrived. And you have failed at that, instead you have been talking about stuff which were excavated including one which is believed by archeologists to be a fake. You seem to now want to change the point and make it about your froebenius and the current location of the excavated relics.

Lajuwa head and Obalufon head and lot more .... you need to visit ile-Ife museum

10 years relationship with 10 guys at the same time that is fair enough back up plan laugh

Algerian1:
Yes , berbers were white caucasian before turkish ( arrived at year 16th century only ) , arabs ( arrived only at 7th century and arab have darkest skin then berbers ) and even before roman invasion . (1th century befor Jc)

check numidia , berbers kingdoms civilisation hundred years before JC , prehistoric capsians ( not caspian)
. than i will be happy to discuss the subject with you .

And berbers went south in desert very late in history ( specially some run from arab invasions at 7th century ) and mixed with black skin africcans to get the touareg and black skin berbers . but first inhabitants , first berbers kingdoms were in extreme north maghreb . and had caucasian morphology .

The problem is features or morphology ..All blacks don't look the same i can pick out blacks with dark skin and Caucasian features in every region in Africa ..The Berber may not have typical rain forest features ...Berber were black skinned from beginning before the arrival of the turks and arabs.. you can still see black berbers in morocco .. .

lloydmuna2:
I noticed some of this onyibo people dont wear ear rings ?
And she could not even visit giant of Africa,,Nigeria ?
Donald Trump fit use 20years senior this his wife

What is wrong about the age gap..?48 years 72 years

Algerian1:
Try to read more serious source .

Maiherpri was not a pharaoh . its easy to find information about him on internet . very well documented .

All pharaoh mummies have caucasian physical catarcteristics with even blond and red hair for few of them , And most important , studies done on 155 mummies not the only on mummy of a black prince but 155 mummies shown that old egyptians were more close to eastern Mediterranean genetics with very few africcan subasaharian genes . old egyptians have even less subsaharian genes than modern now day egyptians population .


The serious source : hope you will read them

[ur]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/05/30/dna-from-ancient-egyptian-mummies-reveals-their-ancestry/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9be7b722b9f6[/url]

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694




Pic : Ramesses II

Blond hair..you are a joker.. Embalming fluid caused the hair discoloration

Algerian1:
The original inhabitants of maghreb are berebers , ( check the kingdom of numidia hundred years BC ) . if you find any black civilisation or a black kingdom before berbers or even after in the maghreb just share

Do you mean Berbers are whites ? most Berbers in Algeria are now mixed with Caucasian Turks and Arabs , yet they are still dark Berbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y1hYGUcspQ.... Maybe this little documentary will help.. efon alaye was mentioned

0balufonlll:
LOOL.

Here you go, both of you.

obalufonIII.. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE ..YOU ARE CAUSING MORE DAMAGE TO THE IMAGE OF ILE- IFE THAN GOOD . I KNOW YOU MIGHT ABUSE ME TOO BUT I WILL SAY THE TRUTH .YOU ARE DESTROYING THE SIGNIFICANT OF ILE-IFE AMONG YORUBAS... ARE YOU TRYING TO DEBUNK THE ROLE OF IFE-IFE ..ILE-IFE GAVE BIRTH TO ROYALS ?..IS A KNOWN FACT THAT ALL ROYAL BLOOD IN YORUBA LAND CAN SOME HOW TRACE THEIR LINEAGE TO IFE ..BABA MI ALAYEMORE WAS A KING IN EFON ALAYE BEFORE RETURNING BACK TO IFE TO BECOME ONI THE SECOND TIME AFTER THE DEATH OF ORANMIYAN.. ...I'M IFE MAN AND A ROYAL BLOOD TOO I BLEED FOR IFE DURING THE MODAKEKE /IFE WAR I FOUGHT ALONG LATE BROS FEMO ..AND CAPTAIN ..1999 I WAS AMONG THE SQUARD LEAD BY MY UNCLE A RETIRED ARMY COLONEL- THAT FOUGHT GALLANTLY WHEN THE MODAKEKE INFILTRATED THE ELEYELE AREA LATE IN THE NIGHT APPROACHING OBALUFON BURNING HOUSES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE THEY ALMOST OVER RUN IFE WE HELD THEM FOR HOURS BEFORE REINFORCEMENT FROM THE INNER IFE REGION ARRIVED TO SAFE THE DAY.. I ALMOST LOST MY LIFE BUT MY RIFFLE NEVER LET ME DOWN..GOD FORGIVE ME

Olu317:
As usual, liars will rot in dismay .........

A book was launched many months ago in Efon Alaaye,which acknowledged Efon Alaaye town as being founded by an Ooni called Obalufon Alaayemore. And On this faithful day of the launch,
Ooni Ogunwusi relives Yoruba history, culture at Efon Alaaye's book launch:

The book is a collation of Yoruba oral traditions.And It investigates the claim of the Efon Alaaye Kingdom to ancestral connections with Ile-Ife, the cradle of Yoruba race and civilisation. The 1,420-page book chronicles the exploits and sacrifices of the Obalufon Alayemore who was the third Ooni, who vacated the Ife throne for his brother, Oranyan who returned from Oyo on the death of his (Oranyan’s) brother.
The book was written by Prince Adelegan Adegbola while Prof. Biodun Adediran reviewed it. Founder of Afe Babalola University, Ado-Ekiti (ABUAD) Aare Afe Babalola was chairman of the book launch while former President of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), Chief Wole Olanipekun, was the chief launcher....

you are right

if olu oral history claim lineage to oranmiyan and ile-ife..what is wrong in it ..depriving him of the link is as good as diminishing significance of ile-ife in yoruba race ..

Long life the king Onirisa and new olori...God almighty will bless the Union..

Hmmm

Don't destroy the spirit that link us together every part of yoruba land has one oral history linking them to ILE-IFE .. even people as far as Ghana Togo could trace their lineage to Ile-ife... The Aworis are called omo olofin Ogun funmire . if awori prince come on here and claim lineage to Oranmiyan ... can we disprove his claim?..Certainly not ..we can't disprove his claim because doing so we are robbing him of his heritage his ancestral lineage to the source the birth place of all Omo Odua...

absoluteSuccess:
You are the only one that understand what this means.

I am from Ado for instance, and we reverence Olofin Adimula Odua as our progenitor, and she has her sanctuary at Ilaje. Meanwhile, the story of Ogunfunminire is a sectional one, using the tradition of Iseri Olofin as the background to retell the Awori history and linking it up with ife as modern Yoruba traditional fad has become. Where is the enclave of Ogunfunminire?

Ado is not from the Awori group that is her subset all because she bore the "Iseri" emblem, more like you don't become your neighbor's son all because he adopted the ancestral family name as his identity, you do checkup to see how old the source of the ogunfunminire tradition was before jumping on it. We don't cite Ogunfunminire at Ado, you can cite him on our behalf.

Meanwhile, if one claim Oranmiyan, you said you could deny him, whats my business with that? I'm I the one denying people a right to their claim? Why do I need to lay claim to your mutually exclusive ancestors when I have mine? Yes we are all Yoruba, no doubts, but 'otun wo osi wo, oun a ba jijo wo gigun nii gun', see things from other perspectives as well. Its not compulsory to always see things from your angle alone.

Don't superimpose Ogunfunminire on other Awori groups like Ado, Ota, Igbesa, Eko and so on who may not even be aware of this name in their tradition. History is beyond the stuff you pick on the internet. I am an Awori prince, I don't need to hang on Oranmiyan, but you can do the denial and still be the one preserving the chord that binds all Yoruba together as one.

Don't misconstrue my message Prince..

Don't destroy the spirit that link us together every part of yoruba land has one oral history linking them to ILE-IFE .. even people as far as Ghana togo could trace their lineage to Ile-ife... The Aworis are called omo olofin Ogun funmire . if awori prince come on here and claim lineage to Oranmiyan ... can we disprove his claim?

ObalufonIII i need info the ese ifa monkey history.. visit Olodumerindinlogun temple to confirm it .. we don't worship devil in yoruba land and i don't think i look like monkey

Olu317:
You are wicked ooo ! I had thought you will say to him to apologise and chew his pride by acknowledging me with accorded respect but you still kept mute to disgrace him further. DID YOU NOT SEE MY ANCESTORS NAME IN ONE OF THE RULING HOUSES COMPOUND NAME WHEN I POSTED IT?

Anyway, please ask if you still doubt the family page of oriki I posted. Infact, ask about LAADE and LUSI in the Ooni Oranmiyan descendants under the AGBEDEGBEDE HOUSE, WHICH I POSTED EARLIER THAT YOU SAW BEFORE I PULLED IT DOWN . Then ask for the Ooni descendants prince-king with the Oriki; mo se Oko akoko se Oko Ekiti . AFTER ALL, NO ONE CAN USE SUCH PRAISE IF THE OWNER HASN'T BEING ON WAR FRONT WITH A LOT OF CASUALTIES ON THE OPPONENTS SIDE . And I will inform you more on this oriki.




Cheers

Mr Olu e ma binu ooo!! i know nothing all i'm after is facts.. i saw your okiri post

Olu317:
? You keep begging me to ignore because he claims to be from ILEIFE? Must I be a brother to a stranger ? Have you not seen my ancestors name among the names of the compound names among the Ooni Ruling family compound? Say, YES if it is true so or NO, if if it's false..
Mind you that boy is FRAUD because I CONFIRM MY LEGITIMACY and he wants to see me repost the document so that he can save it and be using it. A private document is what I posted for public domain consumption, which I won't do again. As an AWO, you must not she'kè ooo. So say the truth. Lies being said and keeping mute is the reason, Yoruba cosmology information have problems. So confirm my statement if I have posted my ancestors Oriki for you to see.

obalufon, you don't need to know anything else on the internet about Laade or who Luusi? Go back to ILEIFE to verify. At least, you are opportune to see my post on Luusi. Therefore Say it to the fraudster to POST HIS ANCESTORS ORIKI because his ancestors is not known in ILEIFE as Oonis descendants. He is obalufon-obatala descendants but want something else for himself. Do you not see his Grandeur Deceit and shallowness in his interpretation of Ooni Ogunwusi's Oriki? Such interpretations is the reason I blame myself because of whom I have been quoting all along! Someone who doesn't have the grip to understand his own ancestors oriki , how would he be able to interpret another person's oriki. Indeed, it is very shocking.

I need to create time to go to ile-ife and ask the elders on Luusi.. I can even call my uncles from royal lineage in Ile-ife

0balufonlll:
Alaye o po inu sha.
I have mentioned Orunto Obalufe, Iranje-Idita & Giesi (Agbedegbede line). Without mentioning oriki, you know who they are and their places in Ife history. Now compare your ancestor to them and you’ll ser your position to mine in the scheme of things. . Even Modakeke people have more claim to Ife tha you do.



Awe, Luusi is not connected to Oranmiyan, stop attaching. You alone has claimed Giesi, claimed Lajodogun & then claimed Lafogido. That inconsistency is only a character of a fraud trying to pit os tent in a place s/he has no connection to, go & sit down. If you woth your salt, enter Ife today & I’ll drive you to Lafogido so you can be properly embarrassed on camera for everyone here to see. I’ll sacrifice my time & resources for you yet you have refused to accept the offer. And by the way, ojo ori o kin se agba.



Awe, go & sit down. Samuel Johnson recorded the Ife-Modakeke conflict you referred to. He mentioned exploits of soldiers from Ekiti, Imesi, Ibadan, Modakeke, Ijebu. He stated the places within Ife where they fought. Not even a line was mentioned about any Ajamaye or your hometown in the conflict. If you are here frothing over your minor feature, what should Ijebu Ode & Imesi that were at the fore front of Ife’s cause do? .

P.S: By the way, I see you now have now accepted that Ajamaye was a 19th century personage & not a primordial entity like you once tried to fradulebtly present. You should thank me for fine-tuning your knowledge about your own history. Na small small I go beat that grit you have in your skull for brains into shape.

I so want to lay just one ohun on you that you’ll battle for the rest of your life but I just can not bring myself to do, think or say negative into another man’s life because of a faceless forum. It would not have taken more than a number of ata ire seeds, a bite of orogbo & obi all chewed together with a little shot of gin with that ‘thang’ in the picture below at hand So sho ara e, don’t create wahala for your innocent family members over Nairaland relevance.

Oga ju NO do that oo... Se .olugbohun ni yi ni abi afo se ...

who is the luusi that is mentioned...also the meaning O soko ekiti soko akoko

ORIKI Kabiyesi Ooni Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi Ojaja Keji Omo Ojaja fidi ote jale Omo Ayi kiti Ogun Omo etiri Ogun Kare o Leyoo aje okun Ooni Ajere aboju jojo New Ooni of Ife, Enitan Ogunwusi Oke leyin Moore O taye so bi igba Omo Laade Omo Ibi ro Omo ajongbodo Omo osun meru ti kun Omo ibi ola ti n wa Omo Ayikiti Ogun tiri Ogun Mo rejana bi oni roko aburo etiri Omo Degbin Mo nlo nre igbode Omo Luusi Omo arugbo-ile igbode abika lorun Omo o fose foso, komo Olominrin feeru fo Omo oke mo ri tikun aya sile. Omo afinju oloja mo ledena meji Omo afinju oloja mo re pole owu. wari oore naa ke e momo Olominrin, Ona na ro mo Ooni ria. Omo Ekun sun-un birade, Omo Odelu kan- bi, Omo opo mefa oo lerunwa Ade temi efeefa ni ere Omo bodere agboobon, Ikoko degbo deru, . Omo ajongbodo. Omo Debooye Omo Giesi ijana Mo ba Giesi rejana Mo ba Debooye a repole Omo igun gbebo – mo re igbode Omo igun la gba Omo igun la je Omo igun kogokogo lorule Igun ile rin-in gbebo Akalamagbo ile rin gbo eru titu Bi ‘ha je tan mun tan Han moke ikole gun Mosi ikole Yanrin mi obu lode ibi an ba ti ba’gun a tii se igun loore Omo igun aare mo re ipole Omo igun gbebo igbode nile re O re more bi oni roko Ooro lo to rise de Han magbala sawesu Han merinla funfun sekeji Adimunia Bilia oooo Adimunia Orisa keji Yesi a bimo re kope I’ooni o Adimunia. Biila Egberin ekun Ajalaye elegberin ikere Egberin ekun naa si koni rise dodo Adimunia Erin a fin bi okin Omo erin gangan ile Omo erin gangan ode Omo erin fi mi joye korun mi mo Omo erin fi mi joye ki ndekun bebe ona yiye Abu ajana ogbe Oba Adeyeye seerin oko bi idikun Oloja Omo Ogunwusi Adefisan Yeuke Koo ba ti mun’gun koloree A ore a han Omo Osun meru tikun Omo oye ni moore Maa niso ni gbangba Omo Abodere Omo Agboo ibon Owolomu ero agbada Omo Ayidina Omo Ayilubii Ponpola abeso jingbinni O dabi oruru laofin Oni rakun saye Yesi b’ooni mi wi o Oke an setile gun Mo roke etiri Ojaja mo mi rodi Tigbo tiju a ke riri Ayidina Odi ile lo mi ree ni Abi toko – Ayilcibii Omo Dodo bi ide Omo Ayikiti Oba Etiri Oba ni Moore Omo Giesi Degbin koko o hanro igbode koko o hanro Kan fi wun Ooni seje lori opo Eran lo jagbagba Omo Olominrin Ototo Oniyan lo je tomo Giesi Oni tii goke esinminrin Ko wi eru segi npa un Omo alaran orin Omo erin meji alo Omo Ologbenla a ridi ire gabo A riwo obi salejo Paraka ode igbodo Ologbenla a ya’mo paara koji A yidina bi oke O soko ekiti soko akoko Oni akoko nbimo de lese oke O degbo Igbin O di kaka bi Oni nrogun Me tete mo wi aje okun lo bi o Omo Agbedegbede Oyibo Omo Agbagba orire nso bi eyokunyokun Opoto nso bi ikan were nile mi Omo o soro ko sikisiki bose Omo o soro fese saworo bade Omo o soro jo somunlele rodo Omo o soro gbokunrin niyawo Omo olodun besebese Oji Oniyan lo bese somi ria ni morire agbada Agbagba mi so ipete feye je loja ife Oni gunyan koko ko wi eyin un bu iloni gun Omundunmudun adofun dekuru ti maa se Olori mi ta Alakara mi ta Oporoporo o nso bi eru isu Ari tii ala Ibee ja ibee maa se sabuja re Omo Onile aran ^ Mo mi rele mo mi laa sun Omo Oloju orunO rigbin ninu oko o fi dooro He Omo Akundinrin esa Omo Igun aare lo bi o omo onitaji Oni Giesi bi gbogbo ko bi gbogbo Ke de lade ale lo loyun re Itupa meta ona ilase Ikan nse ni ni rora Ikan gbe itupa mo ni O wi epo to ni Omo Nibaayo Abu iteni mo ba Giesi lo Omo owa too lukin foba Omo igun gee ore Omo igunlade yoko Gresi modi Gresi fire gbe lese Man diro ni Moore Maa rebi agbon re Omo Elekole Oni bimo kan ko yeniyan O ya jugba eriwo Omo lo Omo Giesi Omo Debooye Laroka modi Giesi fire gbe lese E si un a soloja ko modi korun. Kare o Oba Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi Omo baba ria omo Oba Ropo Ogunwusi Luuyin – Arobaade yeye oro nijesa Man wi ki Lowa gbe’bi Man gbegigun Man wi ki woye gbebi O gbaraba Man Feyinkunie Fanimowu gbebi titi o fi de’bokun Kabiyesi o Ooni Oba Adeyeye Eniitan Ogunwusi Ade a pe lori Bata a pe lese. Ku o eye re o, Babatunde Akande Olewa lowo Olesi merindinlogun Mejo njoko Mejo salarije Kabiyesi o.

Olu317:
You are always triggered everytime I post. Is Esu not taking a share of what is being sacrificed to him? Is the 1/5 of it a problem? But What ever you had for supper or dinner isn't my cup of tea because you are always inconsistent for not posting your ancestors name ....as I did to mine.

Again, I repeat, post your ancestors oriki,so that you will proof your ancestry. I swear, you disrespected them,right from olofin to Luusi except I had ever used your ancestors before you fi my ancestors tà'yín online. Despite the fact, I am far older than you..

Mind you,I don't need to place a curse on you because Iwapele has always being with us for immemorial , so no matter how you hide your identity , all the orisas you appease shall fight against you unless you apologise online because you have no respect for me through your provocative view on my ancestors, that had fought alongside side their cousins to sustain ILEIFE from being destroyed . Unless you apologise and acknowledge my ancestors online, you will know no joy— Aasé ooo, except I am not oranmiyan descendant through Ooni Lajamisan,this will not affect you.

Even Ajalaiye(-Ajamaiye ) still fought to set ILEIFE free during 1860s-1892/1893 war which was fanned by Ibadan through -Modakeke to destroy ILEIFE .So I have not hidden where One of my ancestors migrated toward. After the civil war, he even migrated to to settle the problem in that town. The town where the crown, Luusi's body was reburied. Go figure it out.


Henceforth, I won't quote you again because you have no regard for people and their ancestry evidence.

Don't fight you are brothers E ma binu Sir..

stop fighting

0balufonlll:
Don’t mind that man jare, using ‘Crowther’s’ Yoruba instead of taking note of the fact that Yoruba sub-groups speak different dialects with different words.

You are very correct, Edi is that god that causes man to do evil. Your friend Olu wants so much to fit Yoruba into Hebrew culture & will do anything to get it done.

Olodumare o ni jeko rija Esu.

Olodumare o ni jeko rija Esu this quote is christian ..there is no conflict between eledumare and Esu ...Once you are evil Esu won't let you rest because he will prick your conscience till you unknowing voice out you secrete..

Esu is extremely important in Ifa tradition.. Esu comes in different form..Every orishas has its own Esu

Esu has no power against anyone that hasn't gone against the will of God and Witch can't attack you without you offending them before a witch /wizard attack you they will play trick on you to offend them if you fall for it and offend them then you are in soup . Esu is the medium between God and human.. All etutu and Ebo Sacrifice must be given to esu Oju Esu /Esu Altar to take it to Heaven without Esu your prayers can't reach heaven

Olu317:
Despite the name tag for the Esu in Yoruba tradition as the medium between God and man. What is evil in Yoruba cosmology ?

Secondly, Do you have radiocarbon data or other information as the proof about Nigeria's ILEIFE location as the home of God's creation?

Cheers

you need to visit ile-ife Olu ... Ibi is evil negative energy. Ire positive energy as human we are born with evil and good . we have edi ....we don't have Satan that rival authority with God ..Eledumare is too supreme we are pious people .. i don't doubt the east connection because i know alot about it than you thought with route of migration from my maternal lineage i also embrace my paternal oral history more base on physical evidence

Olu317:
As you can see, I have not lied about my ancestors. And as far as I am concerned, he obalufonIII has offended my ancestors and until he apologize to them before I can think of forgiveness toward him.

obalufonIII Is only protecting the integrity of our ancestors some of our assertions are wrong, debasing our ancestors values and religion like some write up of absolutesuccess. no one is 100% right , i don't blame ObalufonIII all you need to do is to be tactful and diplomatic in the way you Divulge your facts,. if he picks offences let him see reason ..conflict of Ego is the problem.. is only a fool that will think he or she knows it all.. i have learnt alot from you guys here through your flaws and facts to broaden my own knowledge

Ile-ife is the source ...