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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=802853.msg9555952#msg9555952 date=1321289591]I strongly disagree with you all above. Like I already explained, agriculture is not going to create mass employment. And it certainly isn't something like oil which will generate you 10s of billions of dollars a year.

Ogun State can and should focus on manufacturing. Lagos is too small and densely packed. Ogun should be the foremost destination in the west africa sub-region for any sort of manufacturing. . . that is, if the governor had more vision. How can you have the 5th largest economy in sub-Saharan Africa as your neighbor (Lagos) and not be interested in providing some of the high-value manufactured goods that said economy needs and has to import?

Regarding "ship has sailed" on manufacturing, err, I'd suggest you think a bit more about it.[/quote]Based on comparative advantage, agriculture and related industry has to be the focus. Remember, we have to import raw materials, parts and cope with the current power situation. Any potential investor putting together a business plan will see that an ago-allied project has a higher ROI and shorter payback period vs manufacturing.

Aside from farm production, other areas like processing, storage, packaging, transportation are all areas for potential investors in agriculture. It's proximity to Lagos should serve as a key advantage compared to Osun, Ekiti & Ondo states

No doubt we need to develop manufacturing but how can the products compete in the global market/

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=802853.msg9551854#msg9551854 date=1321257888]Agric is not going to have any impact on slowing down urbanization. Well, let me clarify, commercial farming won't. Doesn't require that much labor.

Anyway I don't think that urbanization is bad. More importantly, bad or good, it is inevitable.

Regarding "jobs that are not there", if Amosun were a sensible man he'd be looking to[b] create jobs through industrialization. [/b]That Nestle factory in Ota area, he should be travelling the world looking for investors who want to build 100s or 1000s more such factories.

That would be more effective for wealth creation and poverty alleviation than a focus on farming.[/quote]Agriculture has more potential to create wealth in Nigeria. A significant rise in rural income levels will transform Nigerian economy and reduce dependence on imported food. We can add more value to cash crops (like cocoa) and earn more. Sadly, the Gov is only blowing hot air and don't expect much to change.

Industrialization? For Nigeria, that ship has already sailed. How do we compete with the Chinese (consumer goods), Germans (High tech engineering/auto industry) South Koreans etc in the export market. Do you get my gist? We can certainly manufacture small industrial parts that will only be used by our local industries, but we need to focus on export as well.

dayokanu:
Is it the 75% that are barely managing or sleeping on the streets that still send $5Billions home yearly? Remove this $5bn from the Nigerian economy and lets see what is left. See page 14

How much is the Nigerian budget sef?

http://www.euromed-migration.eu/e1152/e3411/e3427/e4457/e4499/OrozcoMillisNigeria.pdf

that  number actually reached $11billion in 2010.  All this remittances from the "75% Nigerians suffering" (based on stats from pystylish)

PStylish:
@All
Travelling abroad does not guarantee a better future.FACT.
I will like to place Nigerians living abroad in 4 categories and their percentages:
1. Those doing very well and legally: 10%
2. Those doing very well but illegally: 15%
3. Those barely managing to get by (mortgaged existence): 25%
4. Those who are in distress (sleeping on the streets) and cannot even afford a travel ticket to return home: 50%
From the above the odds are very high.
Don't ask me how I came up with those percentages!!! A top official of the Nigerian High Commission in the UK warned Nigerians against coming to the UK without a good job already beforehand.It was in the dailies.
Also, a documentary on African immigrants abroad and their shattered dreams of a better future was aired recently on Al-Jazeera.
So what else do you need?

Statement like this underscores the need for some Nigerians to travel out and broaden their level of reasoning. Pulling out numbers from thin air to support your point of view? SMH I tire for my people o

Beaf:
This policy will greatly help to lessen corruption. I wonder what the state governors will have to say about extending the practice to their domains?

It's only a start, albeit a good one. Will this reduce corruption? Let's wait and see. Metrics for measuring performance has to be clear and transparent to all, if not corruption as usual will rule the day. No be Naija

For instance, how do you assess performance on a road project? Timely completion, quality of work or both. If a contractor completes a road project and within 12 months potholes begin to render the road unusable, will govt demand a refund or a redo of the project? All sounds good on paper but so long as GEJ surrounds himself with corrupt ministers, its all talk.
 
What of Mobilization fee? I can see this fee going up significantly as contractors will try to get more money upfront to settle Ministers and civil servants

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=798888.msg9515893#msg9515893 date=1320859713]Erm Bros!!

For the sake of me wanting to maintain my annonymity, I will not put my complimentary card on here but I'll provide you with some details!

I work for Total Nigeria Limited (an oil Company) as a contract Staff. I will tell you my job description as well, but that would make me easy to identify. I started working in March this year. And 500,000'k is just an estimate o! My Contract sum is for 35'k per day, multiplied by 22 working days per month, do the maths!! Now my contractor takes 20% of that, so on and so. . . I was lucky no doubt, but even then, life here was much more easier for me than it was in Canada. I was making money that was just enough for me to survive and keep my head above water without making any reasonable savings! Now thats bullshi't. I know alot of families who look like they are livinglarge in the U.S, U.K and co but if you look closely, you'll see that their houses, cars and virtually everything  they have are all on a mortgage.

A H1 visa in the United States of America is the next best thing to winning a green Card. I have a 4 year, multiple entry, H1 Visa (which is a full working Visa) and my Permanent residence in Canada means that by the middle of next year, I'll be eligible to get my Canadian Passport (so yes sir, I can work legally in the whole of North America!). The point I was making was this, It is not easy anywhere jor! I saw men with Masters degrees woking for 16 dollars an hour at Mac donalds and KFC. I still remember that as at October last year, I was begging for a job with a security company in Canada and they were jerking me around. I was a laborer working as a cleaner in construction sites by day and applying to Superstores and what have you by night. I still remember meeting a Nigerian Man in Toronto who was a doctor and had to work two jobs to keep his head above ground.

O And lest I forget, I am a Geological Engineer o!! So you know. Alot of people abroad are suffering! Lets not even front! And to make it worse, I remember that I once got a call from SGS in Canada for an interview and they told me that because I studied in Ghana, I needed to do some courses in Canada to enable me work as a geologist there because I wasnt thought the behaivior of minerals and materials in snow!! I almost went mad!


Look! To all you who are doing menial jobs abroad just to get by, your hussle would pay more in Naija! Less taxes and you can feed for less money as well.[/quote]Little wonder we have difficulty solving problems in Nigeria; we never see the big picture. Topics like this should focus on what it takes to succeed in a new country, not Naija vs. abroad fight on who has a better life. Having a bachelor/masters degree alone is not the key to success; let’s be very clear about that.

I also live in Canada and my experience is quite the opposite of what you narrated. Yes, there are Nigerians over here that are facing difficulty adjusting and getting a job. I know people that also decided to leave, just like you. Also, anytime I visit Nigeria I get constant request from folks working in top companies on how to come over here.

In the end we all have different life goals and different approaches to achieving them. The first 2 yrs was an uphill challenge for me but I persevered and can declare that coming here was one of the smartest decisions I made in life. Now does this mean guarantee of a better future for me? On a scale of 1 to 10, I’ll say 8.5.
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This is the e go better syndrome that's so common in Nigeria. This syndrome has stymied critical thinking and the zeal to challenge the abysmal situation in Nigeria. We've accepted mediocrity and hope for a brighter tomorrow.

The Nigerian elites - politicians, business & religious leaders continue to enjoy the fat of the land and deceive the masses that one day Nigeria will be great; that once they fix power supply our economy will improve; that if we pray fervently prayers will be answered and so on. Trust us and just enjoy your owanbe parties. Tomorrow will be fine.

Is there any other nation on earth that has been fed and accepted so much false hope? No wonder we are the most optimist

Optimistic about what exactly? Anyway, good times is a very relative term.

Looks cool but with slow internet connectivity and low desktop internet usage the audience may not be there yet.  A mobile version will be required to reach more people, since more Nigerians connect to the internet via mobile devices

[quote author=Kunle-A link=topic=797987.msg9502377#msg9502377 date=1320705070]if you will be driving locally (i don't know your area) you MIGHT be lucky not to encounter customs for about 2 years which might put you in a safe zone but at the same time, customs are encroaching farther and farther inland these days.

One day be one day,

Imagine that your vehicle was seized last friday and you can even begin the process of retrieving it until wed!

You were dislodged on your way from mosque with wifey and pikins!!!

Your iyawo to tell you all the stories your papa and mama never tell you since you were born [/quote]true talk bro. wen katakata bust, na dat day iyawo go remind you say na N30 you pay for bride price So guys don't think cheap when buying cars

Is this news? Not surprised at all. It's same situation in every public service sector in Nigeria. Result of top to bottom budgeting and chronic corruption. First allocate money for cars, housing allowance, office furniture etc for the "Ogas" and leftover to buy operational equipment, uniform for rank and file etc. Even the little money left will be cornered by Ogas and politicians to buy houses and cars.

Next news please

Its same all over the world especially and Naija girls aren't diffrent. Destiny's Child said it all: Can you pay my bills?, you trifliing good for nothing brother.

To all guys: You want to play then you have to pay; this is the rule with Naija babes. Whether you're a playa, mugu or caring guy just pay the bill and everything will be just fine. Get over it guys!

IMO mugus are guys that can't afford to take care of their own needs but still give money to girls. If you're a top earner it's just part of the cost of living. No big deal.

Frazier vs Ali. The thriller in Manilla. rated as the best heavyweight boxing match. RIP Smoking Joe

With that name alone Mr Coward what else can I say. Why didn't he change that name long time ago; so weird

deenee:
We have been BRAINWASHED by the western media. QED! I support the point that the originator of this thread is trying to raise. I had an intellectual discourse with one of my American professors during an interactive session and I raised the same point. What they have used to arrive at this ludicrous assumption is PPP (purchasing  power parity) or 'Law of One Price'. PPP is an economic theory that estimates the amount of adjustment needed on the exchange rate between countries in order for the exchange to be equivalent to each currency's purchasing power

However in reality, the price for basket of goods differ from country to country, is determined by several factors( exchange rates inclusive) and they have failed to realize this. Why not try and reverse the question and ask  thus: can someone in Britain live on less than £2 per day or an American on less than $2 per day? I guess we all know the answer to that! No doubt, we have our own plethora of problems in Nigeria, but I believe that we are better off than most of us are made to believe. Please don't believe everything you hear or watch on TV. Most of it,  is 'propaganda' and it is a pity that we keep falling for it over and over again. Just like most still think that Africa is a country!

An average undergraduate in Britain leaves University with debt in excess of £50,000. In the USA, it is about $60,000-$65,000. How many Nigerian undegrads have that kind of debt by the time they are leaving school? If you earn £40,000 circa per annum in the UK, it will take you an average of about 10-15 years just to save for a 'down payment' to secure a mortgage of £250,00 for a modest 3 bedroom semi detached bungalow (taking into account that your income is taxed at source) and this is just an equity contribution of secure the mortgage!

In Nigeria, if you earn the equivalent which is a six figure sum, you can comfortably build your own house (to your own specs) in four year or less if you are prudent. We are easily brain washed by the media. A modest student room with shared facilities (kitchen, toilet et al.) cost about £450/$600 per month in most schools over here. In a year that is about £5400/$6000. With that kind of money in Nigeria, you can rent a nice place depending on location and be the lord and manor of your abode.

We really need to change our  mindset. Everything here is obtained on credit (from common hand phones, electronic appliances,clothes cars, mortgages and even holiday travel plans- I still can't understand why I would want to take a loan to travel on holiday!) . The reality is that they actually need us more than we need them. The sooner we realize this hard truth the better for us!


God bless Nigeria!

As agents of change, the goal must be to improve the reality of Nigeria today. I see myself as one and I hope you as well. This is not an intellectual discourse but an acceptance that far too many of our people are living in abject poverty. Don't turn this into the West trying to beat down on Nigeria. Opinions of Western media or intellectuals are irrelevant. This kind of anti-west mindset provides cover for our corrupt leaders not to act. They all blame the West for our underdevelopment.      

Here's definition of absolute poverty: The inability to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

How many Nigerians cannot afford the 5 basic needs above?  80%? 60%? 50%? I don't know. What I know is far too many Nigerians are not living but are in "survival mode" Little wonder life expectancy for an average Nigerian male is under 55

We need to stop playing these numbers games and focus on the real challenges.

Iolo:
If we say 80% Nigerians are poor. We have 90M mobile phones and up to a million blackberry's now.

Assuming that on average only 50% of the lines are in use, that's 45M sim cards presently in a mobile phone.

Can someone who owns a mobile phone, pays @ least 100 transport daily, feeds with ~200naira, pays school fees etc. Be said to be live below $2/day?.

Here's a list of people in Nigeria who validly live below $2/day (and am not saying the rest are rich either):

Mad People
Sick(Bed-Ridden), Beggars,
Toddlers, Kids (14 downwards), Almajiris (~12 - 20 yrs)
Old people (70years+)

Add these people up and you don't get 120M (assuming we r 150M).

The rest of us are simply underemployed, shikena.

Sadly, Nigeria now lacks a thinking/problem-solving culture. When faced with issues rather than think why it is like that, we simply accept, and say "ehen, I have suspecting this is how it is".

Using mobile phone stats to back your point is misleading. Most Nigerians simply buy a N5,000 phone, activate it and never make calls but keep "flashing you" to call them back. Is this what you call usage? So they may recharge it for only N300 per month to keep the line active

Why detain this man further? The judge should have set him free today; no need to wait till Nov 4. Now there will be pressure on them to produce result within the next 2 days.

He has been thoroughly humiliated for 3 weeks without any indication he committed any crime. Seriously, can anyone hide cocaine in the stomach for so long and live to tell the tale?  

People in authority are so insensitive in this country. Can't they accept the machine probably malfunctioned and apologize? Yet they claim he had some supernatural powers that helped him. People in Govt and position of authority in Nigeria never accept they are wrong  

This is so wrong and makes me wonder how many innocent travelers have been framed by this corrupt agency.  I hope he has a good human rights lawyer to sue them. Somebody has to be held responsible for this gross abuse and dehumanizing behaviour.

harakiri:
You are the one twisting comments out of context. . .

(1)First of all, look up the meaning of the word "hater" or "haterz". It all boils down to people who have ill feelings for those that are more successful than they are. Everything negative comment directed at D'Banj points to that. He bought an Aston Martin (that might not be brand new and some people have indicated that it might be less than $100,000). With all the money he has, he can afford to put a Ferrari Italia on the road if he wants to AND he'll won't go broke from doing that. For goodness sake, people walk into Coscharis all the time to pay for a full optioned Range Rover Vogue (do you know how much that costs in naira?) or Rolls Royce. Why all this noise? Who cares if we don't have good roads? If you want to talk about roads, then people driving Toyota Camry's and Honda Accords are dumb because these cars are low on the ground. . .they should be driving SUV's instead. So what are you people talking about?

(2)Humans have ALWAYS been materialistic. It's not "our culture". It's global. Please, broaden your mind abeg. Why do people study for years acquiring so many degrees? It's because they want to be able to secure their future and live the kind of life style they dream about (not necessarily to educate themselves with the research of others). Why don't you use a Nokia 3310 instead of a Black Berry Torch? Why don't you drive a Kia Picanto when you can afford a CLS mercedes? Why don't you live in a one room apartment in Ajegunle instead of living in a six bedroom mansion in VGC or Abuja? It's because you want the best for yourself. Quit being a hypocrite abeg. If you had the kind of money these guys had, you would live big. Quit hating! ! !

(3)Nobody says everything is about government BUT the major responsibility lies on them. Individuals can do the best they can (that usually goes un-noticed) but the leaders control the resources and power that can change things. For goodness sake, these people give to charity all the time. The problem with you people is that you cannot understand how these people can be so successful to the extent of buying things you might NEVER be able to buy in your lifetime. YES! That is what this is all about. From GLO alone, D'Banj made over N100million on endorsement deals (i stand to be corrected). He collects nothing less than N5million per show. Why on earth would he be driving a Honda civic?

Broaden your mind and quit being so shallow.

Nuff said! ! !

Relax bro! you taking things too serious. No one is hating on D'Banj.  As you said it's his money and he can spend it as he likes. I agree with you

Profligacy is quite common amongst elite sports players and music/film stars. I guess it keeps them in the headline. Michael Jackson did the same, but still worth billions after his death, because he was an astute businessman.

I also read Steve Jobs changed his Mercedes SL 55 AMG every 6 months. Why? click this link and you'll be amused
http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/p/2288/latest-steve-jobs-mystery-revealed-how-he-drove-without-license-plates

D'Banj just be sure he can reinvent and make his music relevant for years to come, to ensure the money rolls in.

Antoine Walker and Latreell Sprewell, two basketball players are good examples of how not to over spend when you're on top. Antoine Walker earned $110 million in 12 yrs and declared bankruptcy.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Former-Celtics-star-Antoine-Walker-is-broke-and-?urn=nba-198509

PStylish:
@Pro-Gaddafi Supporters

I am ashamed of you pro-Gaddafi fellows.In fact I am highly disappointed in you all.
It is beginning to appear to me that some if not most Nigerians can be very d.aft and are

indeed suffering from memory loss.
Again, I have also discovered that "oversabi" is also responsible for some of the comments

you pro-Gaddafi guys make.You all seem to know more than the CIA,FBI,Mossad and KGB etc.I can

bet my manliness some of you know the real real reason why Obama has only 2 daughters,why Bill

Clinton is yet to become a grandfather.In fact you may know why Sarkozy parted ways with his

second wife etc.
Please stop reading conspiracy theories.Conspiracy theorists are entrepreneurs like Seun

Osewa.They will leave you more confused than they met you.

FLASH BACK
An uprising began in Tunisia to oust the President, he left peacefully even before the int'l

press took interest. Ben Ali is still alive.
Next the Egyptians decided Hosni had to go, he tarried a little but after 3 weeks of

demonstration, he left.Hosni Mubarak is still alive.
The Libyans summoned courage and took the best chance of their existence drawing inspiration

from the successful uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt.Gaddafi would not have any of it.He was

ready to crush them from the ground, air and sea (please dont refute this at all).Libyan

soldiers were ordered to fire civilians.Most of them refused and defected to become rebels.In

some instances whole Libyan army formations defected to become rebels hence had weapons to

fight at the beginning.
Obama chose to stay out of it.In fact, at some point, the world criticized him for failing

comment in the Libyan uprising.He advised Nicholas Sarkozy and David Cameron to report Libya

to the UN.Meanwhile, Gaddafi was set to take full control of Libya once again.He was at the

gates of Benghazi and a genocide loomed.Remember that during this period, Misrata was the

only city in the West that was resisting Gaddafi fiercely and without help from any foreign

country and NATO.The Misrata fighters remain my heroes.They eventually fought and pushed

Gaddafi foces out of their city later in the conflict at a time when NATO was still playing

neutral.  Glory be to God in the highest the UN security council voted and endorsed a no-fly

zone over Libya.US, Britain & France started  and the enforced the no-fly zone and soon after

handed over to NATO.Obama was so careful not to lead the initial onslaught and when he did he

ensured it didnt last more than few days before he handed over to NATO. After the handover,

only US drones assisted NATO in the campaign and that was after much persuasion by the

Brits.It is common knowledge that US congress, except John NcCain, were pro Gaddafi and even

took issues with Obama for not taking permission from them before participating in the

military exercise in the first instance.Gaddafi, at some point, wrote to the US congress

thanking them for their support.How could Gaddafi think he could survive the NATO onslaught?
Gaddafi was also very insensitive to the changing times.How? NATO were neutral in the

beginning of their assignment.They openly said they were not after Gaddafi or the overthrow

of his government but the protection of Libyans.They were not even interested in the NTC or

rebels and infact bombed them mistakenly on a number of occasions and wouldnt apologize.At

those times, Gaddafi was still able to address his supporters openly and mingle with his

supporters at green square regularly.  
But a stalemate had emerged and neither side wanted to back down.But the rebels were even

more gracious in their offers to Gaddafi. They said all they wanted for him was leave the

nation with his family.He was free to keep whatever he had stolen and was assured immunity

from prosecution.Was this not enough? Shouldnt Gaddafi have taken this more honorable option

and saved his family from destruction? No he wouldnt.Rather he wanted to continue to play a

role in the lives people he had ruled with an iron fist for 42 years.
NATO began to grow weary with the stalemate and with the support and encouragement of France

and Britain they became decisive.The easier option to take out and the "greater" of the 2

"evils" was Gaddafi.
This shift in NATO principle/mission became evident the day NATO began to bomb Gaddafi's Bab

Az Ziziyah compound in Tripoli.All of a sudden Gaddaffi couldnt come out in the open to

address his supporters, he could no longer mingle with his "loyalists" in green square. He

had become a fugitive and a fugitive he remained till death.
After Tripoli fell, the NTC gave Gaddafi and his loyalists ample time to surrender in both

Sirte and Bani Walid.But they wouldnt.Gaddafi still had the chance to escape and remain alive

today.Once agan he blew it.I think he was doomed to be destroyed. God must have hardened his

heart to destroy him like he did to Pharaoh in the bible.Why? He called himself King of

Kings.He decided to share Jesus' title with him.No man does that and lives.God cannot be

mocked. Never!!!
END OF FLASH BACK

I think I have been able to refresh/restore most parts of you pro-Gaddafi guys' memories as

regards events in Libya.
I want to ask.
Why is it that you guys always compare Gaddafi/Libya/Libyans with Nigerian

leaders/Nigeria/Nigerians in an attempt to score or rate him well.I think this is very

bad.Everyone knows Nigeria/Nigerians are not in the best of times.Is Nigeria the only country

in the world or in Africa?
How can you compare Libya with a population of between 6 million and 7 million and making

more money from oil with Nigeria of 150 million people? Is that not ridiculous? Even Abacha

would have done well if he were the Libyan leader.
Now to Abacha, he ruled us with an iron fist for just about 5 years yet the memories of the

Abacha reign of terror(except for RAM-Random Access Memory based memories of your) still send

shrills down the spines of Nigerians.The news of his death brought such celebration and

rejoicing in virtually every nook and cranny of the country.Who said he didnt have good

intentions for Nigeria.Was he not already looking up to Gaddafi for mentorship?So if

Nigerians could rejoice at the gruesome death of someone who ruled them for 5 years, how much

more the Libyans who were trampled upon for 42 years.Till today no investigation has been

carried out into Abacha's sudden death.And nobody has even cared to ask.

The truth is Gaddafi may have been loved initially, but he expired and did not know it.Better

still, he refused to accept it.He thought he could continue to buy the conscience of the

Libyan people with the pittance he paid them - the pittance you Gaddaffi loyalists so eagerly

crave for.But it doesnt work that way.
The Libyans have made their choice. Please abide by it and rejoice with them.Uneasy lies the

head that wears the crown.
Also, stop taking panadol for another person's headache.Leave them alone to bear the

consequnce of their actions.Of what benefit was Gaddaffi to you when he was in power? Those

who were "benefitting" from him said they are tired of him.Na by force Mind your business

and face Nigeria our dear country.

@OP
Obama is very right.Dictators all over the world should start thinking of stepping down

honourably.But the thing is, they never learn from history.

Thanks a lot for this excellent narrative. I don't know why Nigerians feel such strong passion and love for this despot when his OWN people hated him so much.

Can anyone list just 3 things he did to help Africa develop? He only gave money to corrupt African leaders under the guise of development projects.

Good news: Gadaffi's demise will be forgotten within a month and the whole world can breathe a sigh of relief and say thank God another despot bites the dust.

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ceah:
Are u ok ? Do you realise this is a condolence thread, i created The thread for condolence Message not for you to come derail. Please! Leave a good condolence Message or create a thread to express your hatred for brother leader Gadhaffi, 

abeg no vex o. In light of this $200 billion that bros Gadhaffi left behind, count me amongst condolers so they can share am reach my end

9jaganja:
It's you again looolll, Jesus was killed among like a thief among thieves, Jesus is a thief. Can you really see the fallacy your logic will lead to?

Yo man get a clue, How many Libyans have you seen hoping for visa elsewhere? Get a clue really. The guy simply did well for his people Dictator or not. Democracy is a fallacy unless it is direct democracy not parliamentary democracy!!

oh yes, he did well for his people and 200 billion times more for himself. Read mon ami

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-kadafi-money-20111022,0,5740812.story

In case you don't want to read the full article, some highlights:

- Qaddafi Was Worth More Than $200 Billion By Far The Richest Person In The World

- Muammar Qaddafi was three times as rich as Carlos Slim and ten times richer than King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia — easily the richest man in the world.

- How did he get so rich?
"King of Kings" Qaddafi had uncontested personal control over the largest oil reserves in Africa for the past 41 years.

-Unlike Abdullah and other oil-rich leaders, Qaddafi invested little money in national infrastructure like schools and hospitals or any kind of economic diversification. What money Qaddafi did spend went largely to buy support from African leaders.

- While much of this money was held by government institutions like the Central Bank of Libya and the Libyan Investment Authority, Qaddafi was able to withdraw money at will.

[quote author=D-pharisee link=topic=786921.msg9409863#msg9409863 date=1319476907]Hey! pls read again what he wrote. He didnt say Gaddafi was the only person who fought against apartheid, neither did he mention that Nigeria did not contribute. When their is a war its not only one person that is at the forefront, there could be several others working together at the front.

Why not move to Tripoli and congratulate the NTC for 'liberating' Libya at the cost of 60,000 lives with foreign collaborators dropping depleted uranium on civilians in order to protect them from Gaddafi who gave them good life and pride.
Do you know what it takes to put a small country of 6million on the world map with so much voice and carriage which was just too much for your European masters to bear? It takes a Muammar Gaddafi to achieve that and not a Paul Biya who just won another term of 7 years after over 30 years in power as a French puppet and many people did not even know that an election took place in Cameroon because the western media gave it a blackout to allow him to rig successfully in their interst

You still watch Aljazeera, BBC and CNN without analysing the news in this age. ha ha. They are called Main Stream Media run by the banksters and corporations used in duping the world into approving resolution 1973 for a No Fly Zone which was misused for a hidden agenda of regime change in Libya.[/quote]

9jaganja:
Hay western apologist, when they bomb your damn village hope you dance to the same tune,

Where did I say it was only Qaddafi that rose against apartheid? So all the western education you got wasn't enough for your brain to decode a common sentence

Stop bullshitting. Qaddafi supported South Africa more than Nigeria did though Nigeria played a huge role too. Nelson Mandela once gave him a medal for being the greatest freedom fighter there ever was. Please what did IBB get? You know IBB was the one in power then right? Please what did he get? That's to show you how much Qaddafi contributed to Mandela's fight!!,

YET again western education couldn't save you. If a people can't have the basic amenities in life, they will never advance,  He provided for his people and gave them room to advance. If I don't have to worry about rent, food, and source of information, I will basically  be wondering what the moon looks like, what it will be like going there. Exploration of human curiosity has led us really far. If I'm starving, phhuck the first thing on my mind will be food not what the moon looks like.

Again use your head!! NO evidence can show that Qaddafi killed his people none. To make it worst, Sarkozy (president of france) went on the media to say france has distributed weapons to the "rebels" ,   Imagine France distributing weapons to Boko Haram or even a more justifiable one MEND   And then flying over Lagos, Abuja, PH, Warri, Jos blowing up different infrastructures Yeah silly Niggger it's just like that!!!

Why are you guys getting your knickers in a twist about Gadaffi's demise. The guy was a dictator; lived liked one and died like one. There's no good or bad dictator. A dictator is a dictator. Below are some heinous men who met a similar fate as Gadaffi. Like Gadaffi they also professed to be taking care of their people. Gaddafi was no different. I challenge you to draw any contrast between these despots and Gadaffi.


Hitler: By April 1945, with Soviet soldiers closing in, Hitler shot himself in the head while his wife Eva Braun took poison.

Italian dictator Benito Mussolini tried to escape for Switzerland, but was caught and summarily executed. His body and that of his mistress were hung by the heels in Milan next to a garage and mutilated by passersby.

Elena Ceaucescu and Nicolae Ceaucescu faced a TV camera on Christmas day in 1989. They were executed by firing squad shortly after and buried in marked graves in a public cemetery in Bucharest.

Notorious Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot was the architect of the Khmer Rouge's 1975-79 "killing fields" rule during which more than a million Cambodians were killed. He died in 1998, his body burned on a pyre of burning tires and debris.

Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's hanged in Baghdad on December 30, 2006. Spectators taunted him in the minutes before the hanging

[quote author=D-pharisee link=topic=786921.msg9409677#msg9409677 date=1319475161]I know that you are not writing this from Somalia and East Africa where people are actually starving due to bad leadership. If what you mentioned is not a beacon of good leadership why is Europe and America in crisis with rioting and Occupy Wall Street because their leaders are denying them with austerity measures what you said Gaddafi gave to his people and should not be celebrated as a beacon of good leadership.
Some peoples brain surely contains saw dust.[/quote]Food, housing, clothing are RIGHTS for all; not a privilege. We (Africans) have been denied of this right for so long that any leader that provides this is hailed as a messiah. We have to demand more of our leaders to lift our nations from underdevelopment.  

Issues of Occupy wall street does not equate to this discussion.

9jaganja:
DON'T try to compare Qaddafi to Mandela

Without Qaddafi's support you won't have a Mandela!! He was at the forefront of fighting apartheid!!

People, this is who leaders should strive through discipline to be like. This is a man that has massive wealth yet dwells in tents, he knows the real owners of his country and also understand that since history isn't reversible, we can only try to make the best of it. I was offered free education, health care and even pocket money to stay in Libya because my uncle works there as a top doctor and my mom was a cardiologist in Libya for years whenever a leader from Nigeria visits Libya, Qaddafi calls my mom, uncle and step dad for a welcoming ceremony.

My experience with Qaddafi and in Libya is one of paradise. I can stay out and play all day in the park with my friends and like they do every kid that's out playing when it gets dark, the soldiers simply come  and find our parent's home to take us to. Peaceful, I wasn't a Muslim, I wasn't a Christian either infact Qaddafi himself tho a Muslim was searching for the root of the religion. He had historical research centers in Tripoli and Benghazi where Pan Africanists, social engineers etc,  come to research history of the African people and their historical relation to Islam and Christianity.

My 3 years in Libya as child was one of the brightest part of my childhood. I can tease a soldier on the street with no gun shot. You can take their gun if you catch them sleeping and seriously the only trouble you get in is some boogie man yelling at you with no right to hit you,  It is only those who entered Libya illegally that Qaddafi feared will ruin his nation. Seriously, the world has lost an example!!

Libya is the only Muslim majority nation I can live in without discrimination. Qaddafi puts African religions and Islam at the top of his mind! He is visionary. forget his arrogance. If Obomber get such wisdom, vision and power, he'd be even more arrogant,

Wow! what  a statement. I suggest you read your history books on liberation of South Africa

Nigerian led in the fight against apartheid not Libya. Don't sell your country short in order to advance misleading and inaccurate facts.

A big picture perspective for all Gadaffi apologists:

Quality education, food, good health and quality housing are all fundamental right of every citizen in all countries. That Gadaffi ensured people did not starve is not disputed. Sadly, in African we are quick to hail this kind of achievement as a beacon of great leadership.

Gaddafi however, used repressive tactics to deny most Libyans political freedom and right to justice. He took away from the right to think and aspire in life; this is what they were fighting for. He denied them the right to chart their own destiny and right to make their own mistakes.

No matter how you slice and dice it, 42 yrs was just too long. Gaddafi stopped listening and no longer understood aspirations of his people, particularly the younger generation. In the end, they got tired and rose against him. This is the way despotic regimes always end.

Gadaffi portrayed himself as a Pan-African leader fighting against colonialism and a lot of Africans drank this cool aid; it was all a fraud perpetuated on Africans. The man was simply a cunning leader who used his enormous wealth to buy off leaders of African countries.

Africans should stop thinking about food, clothing and housing alone. Only societies that encourage freedom of thought and expression can develop

The similarity to the demise of Saddam Hussein was really amusing. Both were smoked out of a sewer or rat hole like “okete” (bush rat) and begged for mercy. Though if a rat is cornered it will fight to the last and never surrender. These tyrannical cowards couldn't even measure up to rats. Very pathetic.

One difference though: one was caught with a fistful of dollars and the other with a 24 carat golden gun. (James Bond film) I dey laugh o!

Hope those sit tight despots in Africa are paying attention; they should remember Oct 20, 2011

The man was laughing like a hyena 2 days ago in court, now he's ill. Terrific. Typical EFCC: arrest them, make noise to journalists, charge them to court and release on bail.

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It's your biz but your pricing strategy is not sustainable Trust me. beats me why we equate cheap pricing to quality service.

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occam:
Absolutely correct. This isn't about Ebonyi state only but an example of the deteriorating state of education in our country. Again, this only highlights the misguided policy of encouraging private education in Nigeria. Education is now free for all; any tom, Joystick & harry can call his/her shanty building a school. The abysmal results from JAMB & other school leaving certificate exams is only the tip of the iceberg. The real problems awaits us in the not so distant future.

I guess the filter on NL frowns on the "" word For clarity I meant every Tom, D (short for Richard) & Harry. really amusing

Beaf:
If this topic had not been posted with mischievous reasons, we would actually have a topic to trash out and cry out to govt about. The right to proper education should be a fundamental expectation for all Nigerians. We should be talking about how it is possible for so many fake and substandard schools to flourish in the country, instead we have senseless ethnic bickering. Its like saying, "my fake school is better than yours." Fake is fake.

The mind is a powerful tool for building and for destruction, for positive and for negative. Education is about shaping, nourishing and nurturing minds; fake and substandard schools are about abusing the minds of our kids and producing societal misfits. Shouldn't we care more about this?

Absolutely correct. This isn't about Ebonyi state only but an example of the deteriorating state of education in our country. Again, this only highlights the misguided policy of encouraging private education in Nigeria. Education is now free for all; any tom, dick & harry can call his/her shanty building a school. The abysmal results from JAMB & other school leaving certificate exams is only the tip of the iceberg. The real problems awaits us in the not so distant future.