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Sagamite:
You are a cretin!

This is the same cement brain that said religion is a natural trait. Foool does not know the difference between intellectual choices and natural urges.

Moooron!


Foolish man, we are developing a sane and moral society and our economy is still growing. 

If they want to take you moorons to another planet, we are in support. 

Asinwin faggs!

Gee you still slouching around and spitting venom on this thread! Now I know unemployment rate in da hood is really high. hey, better hurry up and go to the dole office and pick up your weekly cheque

cap28:
where was amnesia international when blacks were being slaughtered in libya?

all of sudden they are all over nigeria because we refuse to tolerate intimate deviance as the norm, you only have to look at how their social structure has collapsed to understand the damage that homosexuality creates for society.

What collapsed social struture? And you believe this silly, hateful bill by NASS can reverse the moral decadence in our own society? Don't listen to that noise.
These "ghana must go bag legislooters" are only passing this bill to divert attention from doing their real job: the business of improving Nigeria.

Sagamite:
More of the useless moronic arguments!

see what the cat dragged in! Spews gibberish and nothing more. SMH

mikepeace:
In other word u support man-love men abi?

I believe fervently in Freedom of choice. Yes, I support g.ay and lesbian rights. Two consenting adults have the right to have sex in their bedroom or live together if they choose to.

pawa4ul:
@Occam,
They are only trying to stop further troubles an average Nigerian is facing considering the many wahalas we already have.
Sorry for my choice of words anyways.

The people causing wahala in Nigeria are the leaders; not gay men. I just believe in freedom of choice as long as you don't disturb my peace. The "do nothing" Senatrors and leaders continue to get away with this kind of nonsense and fool the people.    

Name one bill they passed to improve the standard of living for the masses

cicero:
How do you know that they are not doing something about the economy?
This is no diversion, we already have a lot of issues to deal with, they are only saving us from another issue.

Come to think of it, they are protecting all these ga.y people. If they had legalized man-lover marriage Nigerians would have started lynching them already.

Senators are doing something to improve our economy? I dey laff o

So lynching a man because you don't agree with his lifestyle is acceptable in a civilized society?

pawa4ul:
@Occam, Just sharrrrrrrrrap. I don't think you are from this country otherwise you would asked your elders if they ever practiced such a taboo. May be you are one of them. Now that the UK and Amnesty are saying it is wrong to stop it why don't you people ask them to give you free visa to their country so you will be free to practice you sheet over there. Nonsense.

How does this law improve your standard of living? Do you understand the meaning of freedom of choice? Have gay men destroyed any social values?

No need to be so insulting if you are against my point of view.

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roy4real:
I hv just discoverd that d western world now stand to justify soddom & gomorrah in the bible. Kudos to our senators, we don't want homosexuality. We can't let them destroy our most cherished family values, 'cos it is one of the few legacies our society has preserved for generations to come. May God forgive them.

What cherished family values? Tell your Senators to do something about the economy; this anti-gay law is only a diversion

Homosexuality is not a criminal act. Two consenting adults engaged in any form of relationship is nobody's business. This is such a retrogressive law and it's no different from Sharia Law. Let this guys be. Are gay men disturbing anyone? are they the cause of all the problems facing this country?

Nigerian leaders should focus on more pressing matters than passing this type of silly laws.

And the sheer hypocrisy of Nigerian leaders is so outrageous. This statement is a good example

The Senate President, David Mark, had claimed that the practice was against his faith as a Christian They all worship at Okija shrine and consult babalawo and Sundays claim to be Christians. SMH

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kalokalo:
The OP's original article is full of misconceptions. The are a lot of fundamental questions that the article's author failed to ask and answer. The questions and attendant answrs will point to why fuel scarcity/shortages, adulteration, subsidy consistently plague Nigeria while our surrounding West African neighbors do not have the same issues namely:

1) Why is it that only government owned refineries exist in Nigeria? Why have the IOCs/private investors refused to invest in refineries if there is indeed no 'subsidy' and it made business / economic sense to invest in refineries in Nigeria?

2) If a brand new refinery in built today in Nigeria, at what price would crude be sold to them by the IOCs/JV partners? at what price would they be allowed to sell their refined products i.e crude costs + refining costs+ crude and refined fuel transport costs + VAT/excise charges + bank charges + profit?

3) Would be IOCs agree to sell crude to local refineries at below international market prices considering that they are are tied to long term crude supply contracts to foreign refineries at global spot prices? If they are forced to, would the FG reimburse them of that loss considering that the IOCs are not charities like NNPC?

4) What makes the author think locally refined fuel would be cheaper than foreign ones? Is he vouching that local refineries can run more efficiently than foreign ones? Has he considered the cost of doing business in Nigeria? How many commodities produced in Nigeria are cheaper than foreign sourced identical commodities? What makes refined fuel different?

5) Would we be complaining about refineries not working if they were run by the likes of Shell, Exxonmobil or Oando and not by the corrupt and inept Nigerian government/civil servants?

6) Has any one wondered why food or any economically priced good has never been scarce in Nigeria? Why is there no room for rent seeking or patronage or corruption or fraud in food production or any non-social goods produced by many competing suppliers? Why fuel or electricity or only monopolistic social goods supplied by the Nigerian government?

7) Why cant we ask the government to start forcing every seller of anything in Nigeria to be selling at government dictated prices and then see what happens?

The laws of economics and corrupt average Nigerian's nature will always defeat the most noble social/political goal the FG has when it to comes to the supply of fuel. What works in Saudi or Venezuela or Iran or Libya will not work in Nigeria due to the peculiar Nigerian factor.

Misconception is not an appropriate word to us. Some points you raised underscores why graft and inefficiencies in our oil industry are the real culprits; not oil subsidy. Facts presented by the writer supports this point of view

Solving our chronic energy and power problem requires total overhaul of the current system; perhaps even doing away with NNPC and developing an alternative model.

Successive govt have chosen not to tackle corruption in the oil industry but focused instead on oil subsidy reduction. Until we have leadership with a strong will to confront corruption in the oil industry, we'll never move forward.

Simply reducing oil subsidy will never work but only creates hardship for the masses. Continued weakness of the Naira and rising cost of oil in the global market will always defeat the purpose of oil subsidy reduction.

A difficult situation to handle.Simply talk to him or her about it; need to send the message loud and clear

If you follow simple oral hygiene, mouth odour should reduce significantly

- Brushing teeth twice a day (morning & bedtime)
- Flossing twice or before bedtime. This is very crucial since we eat a lot of beef, goat meat etc. You need to make sure any piece of meat and other food particles stuck between your teeth is removed before going to bed. Toothpick does not work.
- Drink water regularly and rinse mouth after every meal or snack.

In addition, eating fruits, carrots and celery also helps a lot.

We have to give more national awards since cheiftancy titles are now two for a penny.  In every nook and corner you will find an "Otunba".  Just Pay N100,000 to a Bale in a small Yoruba hamlet and you'll get your own Otunba.  In another 3 yrs,  "Asiwaju" will also be affordable for the masses. Right now it's only available for the thieving politicians.

We too like title.  Even the guy that sells spare parts in Lagos is "Honourable".  Now that title is becoming cheap, so  "GCON" is the flavour of the month.

[quote author=aloy@emeka link=topic=805131.msg9581163#msg9581163 date=1321574065][size=16pt]See the kind of stories that may push socio/psychopaths over the edge. [/size]


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-806038.0.html#msg9581168[/quote]I read the post and see no similarity with this case, except that it also involves a successful woman.

Are you suggesting that psychopaths abound in Nigeria so don't seek redress for wrongdoings? Most crimes in Nigeria are motivated by greed and the perpetrator always provide justification: it's work off the devil

This was premeditated murder with only one motive: GREED. People should stop this psychoanalysis and stop blaming the victim. Is it a crime for a woman to live alone or to reprimand a miscreant who misused her car? Why do people rationalize evil in this country?

Some of the comments on this thread reflect the irrational and warped mindset that is so common in Nigeria. No wonder criminals disguised as politicians continue to lord over Nigeria.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=802853.msg9555952#msg9555952 date=1321289591]I strongly disagree with you all above. Like I already explained, agriculture is not going to create mass employment. And it certainly isn't something like oil which will generate you 10s of billions of dollars a year.

Ogun State can and should focus on manufacturing. Lagos is too small and densely packed. Ogun should be the foremost destination in the west africa sub-region for any sort of manufacturing. . . that is, if the governor had more vision. How can you have the 5th largest economy in sub-Saharan Africa as your neighbor (Lagos) and not be interested in providing some of the high-value manufactured goods that said economy needs and has to import?

Regarding "ship has sailed" on manufacturing, err, I'd suggest you think a bit more about it.[/quote]Based on comparative advantage, agriculture and related industry has to be the focus. Remember, we have to import raw materials, parts and cope with the current power situation. Any potential investor putting together a business plan will see that an ago-allied project has a higher ROI and shorter payback period vs manufacturing.

Aside from farm production, other areas like processing, storage, packaging, transportation are all areas for potential investors in agriculture. It's proximity to Lagos should serve as a key advantage compared to Osun, Ekiti & Ondo states

No doubt we need to develop manufacturing but how can the products compete in the global market/

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=802853.msg9551854#msg9551854 date=1321257888]Agric is not going to have any impact on slowing down urbanization. Well, let me clarify, commercial farming won't. Doesn't require that much labor.

Anyway I don't think that urbanization is bad. More importantly, bad or good, it is inevitable.

Regarding "jobs that are not there", if Amosun were a sensible man he'd be looking to[b] create jobs through industrialization. [/b]That Nestle factory in Ota area, he should be travelling the world looking for investors who want to build 100s or 1000s more such factories.

That would be more effective for wealth creation and poverty alleviation than a focus on farming.[/quote]Agriculture has more potential to create wealth in Nigeria. A significant rise in rural income levels will transform Nigerian economy and reduce dependence on imported food. We can add more value to cash crops (like cocoa) and earn more. Sadly, the Gov is only blowing hot air and don't expect much to change.

Industrialization? For Nigeria, that ship has already sailed. How do we compete with the Chinese (consumer goods), Germans (High tech engineering/auto industry) South Koreans etc in the export market. Do you get my gist? We can certainly manufacture small industrial parts that will only be used by our local industries, but we need to focus on export as well.

dayokanu:
Is it the 75% that are barely managing or sleeping on the streets that still send $5Billions home yearly? Remove this $5bn from the Nigerian economy and lets see what is left. See page 14

How much is the Nigerian budget sef?

http://www.euromed-migration.eu/e1152/e3411/e3427/e4457/e4499/OrozcoMillisNigeria.pdf

that  number actually reached $11billion in 2010.  All this remittances from the "75% Nigerians suffering" (based on stats from pystylish)

PStylish:
@All
Travelling abroad does not guarantee a better future.FACT.
I will like to place Nigerians living abroad in 4 categories and their percentages:
1. Those doing very well and legally: 10%
2. Those doing very well but illegally: 15%
3. Those barely managing to get by (mortgaged existence): 25%
4. Those who are in distress (sleeping on the streets) and cannot even afford a travel ticket to return home: 50%
From the above the odds are very high.
Don't ask me how I came up with those percentages!!! A top official of the Nigerian High Commission in the UK warned Nigerians against coming to the UK without a good job already beforehand.It was in the dailies.
Also, a documentary on African immigrants abroad and their shattered dreams of a better future was aired recently on Al-Jazeera.
So what else do you need?

Statement like this underscores the need for some Nigerians to travel out and broaden their level of reasoning. Pulling out numbers from thin air to support your point of view? SMH I tire for my people o

Beaf:
This policy will greatly help to lessen corruption. I wonder what the state governors will have to say about extending the practice to their domains?

It's only a start, albeit a good one. Will this reduce corruption? Let's wait and see. Metrics for measuring performance has to be clear and transparent to all, if not corruption as usual will rule the day. No be Naija

For instance, how do you assess performance on a road project? Timely completion, quality of work or both. If a contractor completes a road project and within 12 months potholes begin to render the road unusable, will govt demand a refund or a redo of the project? All sounds good on paper but so long as GEJ surrounds himself with corrupt ministers, its all talk.
 
What of Mobilization fee? I can see this fee going up significantly as contractors will try to get more money upfront to settle Ministers and civil servants

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=798888.msg9515893#msg9515893 date=1320859713]Erm Bros!!

For the sake of me wanting to maintain my annonymity, I will not put my complimentary card on here but I'll provide you with some details!

I work for Total Nigeria Limited (an oil Company) as a contract Staff. I will tell you my job description as well, but that would make me easy to identify. I started working in March this year. And 500,000'k is just an estimate o! My Contract sum is for 35'k per day, multiplied by 22 working days per month, do the maths!! Now my contractor takes 20% of that, so on and so. . . I was lucky no doubt, but even then, life here was much more easier for me than it was in Canada. I was making money that was just enough for me to survive and keep my head above water without making any reasonable savings! Now thats bullshi't. I know alot of families who look like they are livinglarge in the U.S, U.K and co but if you look closely, you'll see that their houses, cars and virtually everything  they have are all on a mortgage.

A H1 visa in the United States of America is the next best thing to winning a green Card. I have a 4 year, multiple entry, H1 Visa (which is a full working Visa) and my Permanent residence in Canada means that by the middle of next year, I'll be eligible to get my Canadian Passport (so yes sir, I can work legally in the whole of North America!). The point I was making was this, It is not easy anywhere jor! I saw men with Masters degrees woking for 16 dollars an hour at Mac donalds and KFC. I still remember that as at October last year, I was begging for a job with a security company in Canada and they were jerking me around. I was a laborer working as a cleaner in construction sites by day and applying to Superstores and what have you by night. I still remember meeting a Nigerian Man in Toronto who was a doctor and had to work two jobs to keep his head above ground.

O And lest I forget, I am a Geological Engineer o!! So you know. Alot of people abroad are suffering! Lets not even front! And to make it worse, I remember that I once got a call from SGS in Canada for an interview and they told me that because I studied in Ghana, I needed to do some courses in Canada to enable me work as a geologist there because I wasnt thought the behaivior of minerals and materials in snow!! I almost went mad!


Look! To all you who are doing menial jobs abroad just to get by, your hussle would pay more in Naija! Less taxes and you can feed for less money as well.[/quote]Little wonder we have difficulty solving problems in Nigeria; we never see the big picture. Topics like this should focus on what it takes to succeed in a new country, not Naija vs. abroad fight on who has a better life. Having a bachelor/masters degree alone is not the key to success; let’s be very clear about that.

I also live in Canada and my experience is quite the opposite of what you narrated. Yes, there are Nigerians over here that are facing difficulty adjusting and getting a job. I know people that also decided to leave, just like you. Also, anytime I visit Nigeria I get constant request from folks working in top companies on how to come over here.

In the end we all have different life goals and different approaches to achieving them. The first 2 yrs was an uphill challenge for me but I persevered and can declare that coming here was one of the smartest decisions I made in life. Now does this mean guarantee of a better future for me? On a scale of 1 to 10, I’ll say 8.5.
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This is the e go better syndrome that's so common in Nigeria. This syndrome has stymied critical thinking and the zeal to challenge the abysmal situation in Nigeria. We've accepted mediocrity and hope for a brighter tomorrow.

The Nigerian elites - politicians, business & religious leaders continue to enjoy the fat of the land and deceive the masses that one day Nigeria will be great; that once they fix power supply our economy will improve; that if we pray fervently prayers will be answered and so on. Trust us and just enjoy your owanbe parties. Tomorrow will be fine.

Is there any other nation on earth that has been fed and accepted so much false hope? No wonder we are the most optimist

Optimistic about what exactly? Anyway, good times is a very relative term.

Looks cool but with slow internet connectivity and low desktop internet usage the audience may not be there yet.  A mobile version will be required to reach more people, since more Nigerians connect to the internet via mobile devices

[quote author=Kunle-A link=topic=797987.msg9502377#msg9502377 date=1320705070]if you will be driving locally (i don't know your area) you MIGHT be lucky not to encounter customs for about 2 years which might put you in a safe zone but at the same time, customs are encroaching farther and farther inland these days.

One day be one day,

Imagine that your vehicle was seized last friday and you can even begin the process of retrieving it until wed!

You were dislodged on your way from mosque with wifey and pikins!!!

Your iyawo to tell you all the stories your papa and mama never tell you since you were born [/quote]true talk bro. wen katakata bust, na dat day iyawo go remind you say na N30 you pay for bride price So guys don't think cheap when buying cars

Is this news? Not surprised at all. It's same situation in every public service sector in Nigeria. Result of top to bottom budgeting and chronic corruption. First allocate money for cars, housing allowance, office furniture etc for the "Ogas" and leftover to buy operational equipment, uniform for rank and file etc. Even the little money left will be cornered by Ogas and politicians to buy houses and cars.

Next news please

Its same all over the world especially and Naija girls aren't diffrent. Destiny's Child said it all: Can you pay my bills?, you trifliing good for nothing brother.

To all guys: You want to play then you have to pay; this is the rule with Naija babes. Whether you're a playa, mugu or caring guy just pay the bill and everything will be just fine. Get over it guys!

IMO mugus are guys that can't afford to take care of their own needs but still give money to girls. If you're a top earner it's just part of the cost of living. No big deal.

Frazier vs Ali. The thriller in Manilla. rated as the best heavyweight boxing match. RIP Smoking Joe

With that name alone Mr Coward what else can I say. Why didn't he change that name long time ago; so weird

deenee:
We have been BRAINWASHED by the western media. QED! I support the point that the originator of this thread is trying to raise. I had an intellectual discourse with one of my American professors during an interactive session and I raised the same point. What they have used to arrive at this ludicrous assumption is PPP (purchasing  power parity) or 'Law of One Price'. PPP is an economic theory that estimates the amount of adjustment needed on the exchange rate between countries in order for the exchange to be equivalent to each currency's purchasing power

However in reality, the price for basket of goods differ from country to country, is determined by several factors( exchange rates inclusive) and they have failed to realize this. Why not try and reverse the question and ask  thus: can someone in Britain live on less than £2 per day or an American on less than $2 per day? I guess we all know the answer to that! No doubt, we have our own plethora of problems in Nigeria, but I believe that we are better off than most of us are made to believe. Please don't believe everything you hear or watch on TV. Most of it,  is 'propaganda' and it is a pity that we keep falling for it over and over again. Just like most still think that Africa is a country!

An average undergraduate in Britain leaves University with debt in excess of £50,000. In the USA, it is about $60,000-$65,000. How many Nigerian undegrads have that kind of debt by the time they are leaving school? If you earn £40,000 circa per annum in the UK, it will take you an average of about 10-15 years just to save for a 'down payment' to secure a mortgage of £250,00 for a modest 3 bedroom semi detached bungalow (taking into account that your income is taxed at source) and this is just an equity contribution of secure the mortgage!

In Nigeria, if you earn the equivalent which is a six figure sum, you can comfortably build your own house (to your own specs) in four year or less if you are prudent. We are easily brain washed by the media. A modest student room with shared facilities (kitchen, toilet et al.) cost about £450/$600 per month in most schools over here. In a year that is about £5400/$6000. With that kind of money in Nigeria, you can rent a nice place depending on location and be the lord and manor of your abode.

We really need to change our  mindset. Everything here is obtained on credit (from common hand phones, electronic appliances,clothes cars, mortgages and even holiday travel plans- I still can't understand why I would want to take a loan to travel on holiday!) . The reality is that they actually need us more than we need them. The sooner we realize this hard truth the better for us!


God bless Nigeria!

As agents of change, the goal must be to improve the reality of Nigeria today. I see myself as one and I hope you as well. This is not an intellectual discourse but an acceptance that far too many of our people are living in abject poverty. Don't turn this into the West trying to beat down on Nigeria. Opinions of Western media or intellectuals are irrelevant. This kind of anti-west mindset provides cover for our corrupt leaders not to act. They all blame the West for our underdevelopment.      

Here's definition of absolute poverty: The inability to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

How many Nigerians cannot afford the 5 basic needs above?  80%? 60%? 50%? I don't know. What I know is far too many Nigerians are not living but are in "survival mode" Little wonder life expectancy for an average Nigerian male is under 55

We need to stop playing these numbers games and focus on the real challenges.

Iolo:
If we say 80% Nigerians are poor. We have 90M mobile phones and up to a million blackberry's now.

Assuming that on average only 50% of the lines are in use, that's 45M sim cards presently in a mobile phone.

Can someone who owns a mobile phone, pays @ least 100 transport daily, feeds with ~200naira, pays school fees etc. Be said to be live below $2/day?.

Here's a list of people in Nigeria who validly live below $2/day (and am not saying the rest are rich either):

Mad People
Sick(Bed-Ridden), Beggars,
Toddlers, Kids (14 downwards), Almajiris (~12 - 20 yrs)
Old people (70years+)

Add these people up and you don't get 120M (assuming we r 150M).

The rest of us are simply underemployed, shikena.

Sadly, Nigeria now lacks a thinking/problem-solving culture. When faced with issues rather than think why it is like that, we simply accept, and say "ehen, I have suspecting this is how it is".

Using mobile phone stats to back your point is misleading. Most Nigerians simply buy a N5,000 phone, activate it and never make calls but keep "flashing you" to call them back. Is this what you call usage? So they may recharge it for only N300 per month to keep the line active