₦airaland Forum

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Demdem:
Crap.
Ok, the doctors have been sacked, why are the hospitals still shut.
Do u think if u johesu folks were sacked, tge hospitals will remain shut? U lots are nothing but support staffs. Am no doctor but eh whenever I come to the hospital, it's because I want to see a doctor first before any other.
Besides, shame to ur consultant nurses, consultant pharmacist, consultant gateman etc who simply can't continue to run the hospitals despite doctors sack.

Uh mm....Bros, you forgot to add Consultant Record Keeper and Consultant Porter.

Looks like he was simply cracking a joke. Nothing much.

DaBullIT: Taaaaaaaa if I hearam which kin Army end mend matter ? Ability govt pay them off

The FG adopted the Carrot & Stick approach. The late Yaradua initial granted amnesty to all the militant groups, but was to last till September of that year (2006/2007 I think). Immediately it ended, the stick (Joint Task Force under the then Brig. Gen Bell, current Counter-terrorism Coordinator at the Office of the NSA) was applied with ruthless efficiency. Port Harcourt was retaken from the grasp of militants and cultists, the dreaded Camp-9 of MEND was captured, and militant leaders were hunted down like rats. Or why do you think they all ran to the swamps?

Henry120: How can you confirm that there have been no new equipments for the military? Are you in the north-east?

Yes, the Airforce has received new MI-35 helicopters, there is absolutely no question about this.

Nigerian troops are not poorly equipped in any area to deal with this insurgency, in any area. The advocacy should be additional rounds of Ammo for each soldier. Soldiers should have at least 8 mags per man.


Any talk about poorly equipped troops, is a baseless lie.

Bros, leave all that talk. We both know that equipment procurement is an issue. Yes, the military bought 6 new Mi-35Ms, but are those enough? Where are the much needed transport helos like the Mi-17s for the QRFs? Do you want to deny that fact that the soft skinned vehicles and even armoured vehicles like the Otokar Cobra are not underarmed with just Fcking GPMGs while BH hilux trucks have 50cal HMGS mounted on theirs? And back to the armoured vehicles; how many MRAPS do we have In the field? I dare say that the NPF own way more of these vehicles than the army. And what do the army have? A splatter of Bigfoot MRAPS, Otokar Cobra bought during the Niger Delta insurgency, and a bought of old vehicles. I don't even want to talk about combat air support 'cos the air force's performance has been less than satisfactory. Till date, the military (NAF in particular) still can't support and relieve military units stationed in remote areas in the North east or in some cases even special forces teams operating behind enemy lines. No, these teams have to fight with limited ammo till they run out. So how do you expect them to protect all these border hamlets/villages.

Now don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no qualms with the training of our military, and our brave men and women of the armed forces are itching for a good fight and payback. After all, same military successfully brought the raging insurgency in the Niger-Delta to an end. I also know desertion is normal during wars. But guy, moral is currently very low. Every time my friends in the Police MOPOL Squadrons on the usual 6 months rotation to the NE, it Is the very same story: they're outgunned, ammo ' s always low (2 mags only), desertion is on the rise.

Till we accept that all is not well, and try to resolve the problems that plague the military, we'll continue to face these issues.

ednut1: hot, but na make up

Transformation agenda

Norajones: ,if you can't say something better,,pls just shut up,,who told u our soldiers r incompetent?,,,im sure u r nt a Nigerian,,,,or mayb u r one of d so called boko haram...its like u never c dis soldier fightin n defendin d country n oda countries in real life,,u only listen to news n watch war films,,,,too much television is wat its affectin u...

Our brave soldiers are not incompetent. But he has a point: moral is actually very low NOT because of the lack of will to fight (believe me, the boys are eager to fight), but the lack of the much needed tools to execute this war. Minus air cover, the troops are outgunned by BH.

I'm afraid I'm with the soldiers on this one. Billions of naira have been released, yet:

1) no new combat aircraft to provide the necessary combat are support
2) no transport helicopters to transport troops to and from hotspots and serve as CASEVAC
3) no attack helicopters to provide the necessary CAS
4) No adequate nos of MRAPs or armoured vehicles to convey the troops safely to the front. Just soft skinned pickups that are under - armed.
5) not enough ammo for troops in the frontline.

We have a long way to go.

lokito: 1.9m naira and they say low price. They're joking. They shouda reduced price to like 50, 50k. That time pedestrians will disappear on Lagos streets

1.9mil? Jeez, that is really low!

THUNDER4real: No body is posting trash, useless criticisms, ego driven comment, Inferiority driven comments except dr or dr defenders like ocelot 2006. Mr man as far as I am concern, drs in this country Nigeria are so phobic about other health workers.

What is this leather - nyash baboon yapping about? "Inferiority driven comments"? You must be high on expired Alomo . And why will Drs have a phobia over other workers? Which one? The nurse, lab technician, cleaner, or record keeper? As much as don't want to belittle these other professions, the doctor's years of training, experience, and other qualifications places them ahead of others in the hospital. Every else's there to play SUPPORT ROLES. Yes they must work as a team, but the doctor is still the team lead in the hospital.

Do you now understand, Okponu?

We can lend you Godswill Akpabio to fix up all that mess. Even my dog can't live there.

THUNDER4real: Your huge number of doctors that have left the country are in lagos protesting and carrying pla-cards about. Think properly before posting some-thing.

House, a baboon is stalking me (probably the monkey terrorising people at Ado - Ekiti ). Please call the zoo.

chuksbogus: the problem in health sector is that some of the professionals are not good in adapting to changes.the doctors are finding it difficult to accept that other professions are expanding,improving and evolving. they find it hard to accept that Nurses can be degree holders,master and PhD holders.they keep comparing medicine and nursing which can never be compared cos they are two different progression.One says its 6yrs course the other said its 5 years both when graduated are degree Holders. they do internship which nurses will start very soon,pharmacy and med lab are doing the same internship.pls people on appointment drs start on grade level12 other 8,and 10 and here they are asking of relativity saying yet d salary of a nurse on 12 shld not be equal to that of dr on 12 not minding that the nurse must have put up not least 9 years to 12yrs to get to that grade level 12 that a newly employed 10 is starting like wise other health professionals.they don't want others yo be consultants when the body regulating that profession has stipulated the criteria for their members to be consultants saying that they d drs suffer to be a consultant.pls if for instance nursing and midwifery council of Nigeria state that for one to be a nurse consultant he must be a masters degree holder in nursing and must have gone through with courses with west African council of nursing and is now a fellow is that not their criteria? must d nurse go through the same drs procedure to be a consultant nurse?mind you we are talking of consultant nurse not dr here .is it the issue of a director where other proffesionals outside health get to direct and now drs said that even If u have PhD that when u get to asst director you shld remain there .OK 100k hazard allowance for only drs imagine are they exposed to hazard than the nurse that stays with this patient 24/7 or the lab scientists that deals with biohazards everyday? that they are asking for only drs if others ask theirs drs will go on strike .I think the drs shld know that other professions are growing and shld accept that fact that not the nurses you have in 1980 that is around now not med lab tech now but med lab science .each profession in health shld fight to progress and be the best in their profession and forget about fighting each other cos all of them must work together for patient to get well.

It doesn't matter if tye nursing profession has a degree now, or record keepers have PHDs, it still does NOT change the fact that the doctors head the medical team based on his/her own vast and intense years of training. When patients go to hospitals, their primary goal is to see the doctor for treatment. Every other staff member basically plays a support role, or as someone mentioned, are addendums.

Honestly, I feel the clamour by JOHeSU is based on nothing but their inferiority complex.

henks: This is worthy of emulation in oil rich state like Delta and Bayelsa, Akwaibom has set the pace after gingatic structural era of Donald Duke, pls Akwa people you should be proud of him

We definitely are.

It's high time Liberia ' s fully quarantined and locked off. This is stupidity of the highest order.

uncleu: Resident doctors in Nigeria tend to forget that they are in for short training program. They are not indispensable. The consultants can run any hospital with house officers and medical officers. There are thousands of young doctors with primaries waiting and looking for places to do residency. Lift this suspension after six months, throw application process open to everybody and see if resident doctors will go on strike again.

4000 consultants run ALL the teaching hospitals across the nation used by 120mil + Nigerians?

Okay oh

thaqib: isokuso. One doctor can cater for 120 million people!

OF COURSE ONE DOCTOR CAN NA!!! According to Thunder - mugu the ignorant baboon

phantom: ocelot na wa for you o! calm down a beg. some responses don't need a reply from you

My brother, abeg no mind that useless pikin . I blame myself for giving that coconut head to much attention. Lesson learned

THUNDER4real: See this mad man, from a family of iliterates. Go and read your book to pass those courses you got f9, I know you are a demented individual that just escaped from yaba left, Go back to school to learn 1 + 1 equals 2. your brain is so drained that you really need to buzz of as you have said and go and read your books. tolo-tolo of 21st century.

So it's my family now? 'guess you lack proper home training (bad parents ). But hey, keep barking like rabies-infested-s#@t-eating-local-dog, it sure fits your description perfectly . But when you're done, please go and read your books 'cos your 4th GCSE/WAEC attempt ain't doing you any favours AT ALL . 'still don't know why I waste my time with an A-grade buffoon like you though .

Now go look for attention from your mommy.

THUNDER4real: This statement shows how Stu-pid you are, failed product of a failed educational system. I so pity you, see who is calling sm1 kiddo, you that is still in kindergarten. If you so like medicine and like to defend, go and study law and medicine, I can see you are so confused that you don't even know the course to register in jamb. I don't even believe you are a graduate of engineering talkless of going to uni because you reason from the anus. IGNORANCE OF THE 21ST CENTURY.

Aaaaand the demented baboon just learnt a few new English words . Bravo!! I guess there may be hope for you to remedy that absymal WAEC result of your (F9 parallel), blockhead. And I must say that I do agree with your last sentence, 'cos it basically describes you with all those useless and baseless garbage you've been spewing on this thread. Anyone sane and learned would've thought there was a faulty connection between your brain and your fingers. Then again, with coconut water and air for brains, isn't it obvious?

Now BUZZ OFF and go read your books.

maestroferddi: Doctors are very greedy I must agree. Imagine a pharmacist who spends just less than a year in school than a doctor being relegated to almost nothingness.

There are 100+ pharmaceutical firms and shops were pharmacists can go make their money. The hospitals are the main domains of doctors where pharmacists are basically a part of the support team.

Sunshinelady: . Even wit all dese long epistle, u pple can't treat ebola (or at least maintain it like ur counterparts abroad), mortality rate in hospitals especially durin childbirth keep increasin (dats y most rich ppl travel out for their child delivery), even common organ transplant dats rampart in other countries una no sabi, so wats d use of all dese ..bla bla..u did 5yrs here, 20yrs here ..etc. We need practical thins, we need to see d effect of dis u pple's 'superiority complex', we r not seein it. I don't knw ..I don't want to beliv dis is like..empty vessels makin too much noise..I don't. But somtimes too much words aint necessary, d best way to xpress self worth, is by being practically effective, u pple are so lettin us down

Sure, because the resident doctors will use their salaries to upgrade our health sector and provide all the much needed tools with their meagre allowances, abi?

Btw, you do know there's still no proven cure for Ebola (z-mapp is experimental), right? No? Yet come here yapping and sadly displaying your ignorance here for all to see. Guy, u just fcked up real bad.

phantom: MDCAN (association of consultants)has reacted. i guess the FG will look for locum consultants too...

Oh....Now we're f@&ked

Seeeeeeee: PRIVATE HOSPITAL DEY

Okay oh. When you're told to pay N250,000.00 for a surgery that'll cost you N80, 000.00 at a teaching hospital, you will understand.

bushdoc9919: Look,,,,here is the scoop.

Residency training in Nigeria goes like this.....you write an exam called the primary (of which there are two flavours....West African, which carries more power....and National/Nigerian...which is just as hard).After you pass....you then get a place to do the residency (Which involves job interviews/exams). Then once you get the job...you work as a junior resident for two-three years....after which you write an exam that if you pass (it is a very tough exam) you become a senior resident. Then another three years....after which you write the exam that if you pass means you become a consultant. ALSO....you do a research project during the time you are a resident....and THAT project is part of your final exam for consultant.

So, sacking all the residents....means you have to replace like for like.And a common medical officer(Like me!)cannot just slip into the shoes of a senior resident....or even junior resident. To put it simply.....it is a disaster waiting to happen. And poor Mr Consultant would have a hard time of it....doing most of the jobs that senior resident is supposed to do.And students...the young medical students...would have a hard time of it.

It isn't that simple. You cannot replace experience.

THANK YOU DR!! Most Nigerians yapping here don't know disaster that awaits this crucial sector. The FG just shot itself in the footing, and I can assure you that there will be a recall soon.

[quote author=THUNDER4real][/quote]Sure, because the garbage you've been posting are authentic. Btw, what even your issue with the doctors? 'couldn't make it to medical school with your JAMB score of 101 ? Yeah, that's what happens when you place less focus on your books and more on skelewu. Now buzz off kiddo, you have GCSE to prepare for . Coconut head.

THUNDER4real: hey why are you beating around the bush? you said before that most doctors are preparing to leave the country now you are saying you pity people like me. Mr man I believe you were affected or some one close to you is. So who among both of us need to be pitied? Just make up your mind: You are jobless as of now or the person you are fighting for is jobless because of the wicked act of strike displayed. Do you think doctors in Nigeria are gods? I believe this is your mentality and its very childish of you. NIGERIANS WILL STILL SURVIVE even if it remains only one sincere doctor to take care of over 120 mil people..

First of all, I'm an engineer, not a doctor, and I'm an employer. But I'm wise enough to know and appreciate the importance of this group of doctors. It is the likes of you that I really pity. I only hope you or members of your family won't need a specialist anytime soon. Oh well, Mr. SURVIVALIST, I guess you can make do with the nearest chemist/pharmacy for your health care needs.

Btw, the docs I've met are some of the most down - to - earth and fun loving class of dudes and ladies I know. Maybe it's cos of those 7+ gruesome years they face in medical school. Most of the hate you see actually come from those who basically couldn't make it into medical school (poor jamb scores, bad belle).

horlarlhekan: WHY are u always right? See how u are insulting the masses as if you are the one feeding the whole country. I wonder what will happen if you are God. That's part of the egoistical and Non-challant attitude we are talking about. Please apologies to the mases coz without them are NOTHING

Uh mm...question: how would you feel if you were given a hazard pay of FIVE THOUSAND NAIRA (N5 , 000. 00) only to face all those deadly pathogens, with zero welfare package to for your wife and children when you lose your life?

Oh, did I forget to mention that you still haven't been issued the necessary personal protective gears and tools to carry out your tasks?

THUNDER4real: Who is begging them to stay? let them go and jam transformer. If they go abroad they will see how medicine is practiced and not this poo they practice in 9ja. You will see every health worker doing his or her own bits for the benefit of the patient.
Here in Nigeria doctors are the primary problem of the health sector. By the way, do you think practicing as a Nigerian trained doctor is easy abroad, so Mr man go and do your mathematics before posting rubbish.

Guy, you're the one talking now, but I can assure you that the nation may be facing an imminent collapse of the health sector, no thanks to this decision (especially now that we have an Ebola outbreak, the worst in history). Do you really think the Medical Officers are cut out to perform the jobs of these crop of experienced specialists who basically run ALL the Teaching Hospitals? Or do you think the 4000 consultants left nationwide can handle 120mil+ Nigerians? It is people like you that I pity, cos you're now faced with a situation were you can only get your health care services from Teaching Hospitals staffed with inexperienced MOS + overworked consultants OR private practices owned by specialist docs were you have to pay through your nose for services. Oh, I forgot to add that the health services will still be underfunded, no one to train the new crop of cos, inadequate facilities, etc. But hey, your choice.

firedup: Doctors are already a disaster on the citizens by abandoning the tax payers by going on strike for a month an half now,do u know many that have died? abeg they should go out their and tackle ebola afterall they never went on strike for proper equiping of our hospitals but rather for ego trips and money. nonsense

Maybe you really need to read about the very reasons they went on strike in the first place. Maybe then you'll stop yapping trash.

pumpingmachine: GEJ seems to be making sense these days. I would have pitied the doctors but the way they've been acting really shows they are feeling too proud and should be checked. No matter what u are fighting for, your country is fighting Ebola yet u are on strike just because some other professionals got a position. Who does that? I know for sure this would be reversed but it should get them ruffled in the time being.

Nigeria is dealing with Ebola very well without NMA, I think we can continue to survive without them

I'm afraid this is not "sense", but OUT RIGHT STUPIDITY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. And this is coming from a staunch GEJ fan.