₦airaland Forum

Sunny_bobo: Lol! You just shot your self on the foot dude. Let me explain it in a way you will understand.

Idumota is not a market in the sense of a closed market. It is made up of residential buildings of mainly 3 floors (inhabited by the natives) with the ground floors mainly made up of shops which the Igbo traders occupy. Properties are built in Idumota in a way that there are no septic tanks for sewage collections so they connects PVC pipes from the toilets and bathrooms in each flat which flows into the very shallow open gutter ( not more than 6 inches deep) just beside or in front of the houses and the sewage materials then make their way to the lagoon which is just a few metres away. The human waste filth has got nothing to do with the traders in that case. It's an eyesore to behold though. I've had poo splash on me before from one of them broken PVC pipes

dude, i was raised in isale eko. take nnamdi azikiwe from the clock tower go north till you reach under bridge by ebute and go east uptil you get to dosunmu street and then head south to idoluwo and cut west to connect back to the tower, prior to ibos moving in there were only two high rise buildings. the bata building on dosunmu by idoluwo and the standard bank building by dosunmu and idunsagbe. you can take idunsagbe to cut through the alley back to onikoyi street.

the high rise that you describe were new installs to increase real estate space for the ibos influx and maximize profits. that was the age of developer striking deals with land owners for 30yr mortgage contract. the demand was high and so the construct were hurriedly completed with poor oversight and vision. Remember when a building collapsed in idumota and killed many people? the first one of such incidences in idumota! the filth and poo you describe is what came in with ibo settlers into idumota.

you should see and compare pictures of idumota before your arrival and the after to see how bad you have turned the place into a ghetto. Idumota was a pride of the country.....when Head of State receives foreign dignitaries the motorcade drive slowly pass in front of idumota. sometime they stop at the statue of the "unknown soldier" to lay wreath before continuing to carter bridge.

again, you are jjc in idumota...shut up!

kenis: The director of Amnesty International is Igbo. They are jealous of the good work Fashola is doing in lagos. Fashola must be president no matter all the blackmail.

this their director need to talk about osu in his homeland instead of ibo in another man land

Ngwakwe: Autocrat in Suit

No respect for due process and international conventions

our due process and conventions rest with OPC....the only human rights organization Yoruba trust to safeguard our commonwealth.

Sunny_bobo: Those are the elders who have been short hanged by the other elders dude. I know how this things work. Oya make them go close Idumota na wey dem dey sell pharmaceuticals and medical equipments on top shit. The power of an Oba......

do you not see a relation here dude? everywhere ibo set foot, there is filth! do you know Okoya of Eleganza? multibillionaire! guess where he first opened shop? right there in idumota! do you know Otedola? multibillionaire! the grandfather started the family business in idumota and ereko. so there is nothing about the history of idumota you want to say here that i dont know. you are jjc in idumota, so shut up!

there was no sh.it and filth in idumota until ibo took over the place. do you not see the connection, that everywhere you settle in lagos filth soon settles in with you?

Bliss4Lyfe: Fashola can never be President and he should kindly close all the markets.

Fashola has already been labelled Human Rights Abuser by Amnesty International.

What a way to go?

the only human rights body we recognize in Yorubaland is OPC. we dont know anything amnesty internqational. our land has never commited any human rights violation against anybody of non-Yoruba tribe. So if they want some fame to make name in nigeria, they need to go to iboland and dig up on osu and human kidnapping and they should go to north and dig up on human slaughter and bloodletting.

OPC loves Fashola, thats all we care to know.

naptu2: Are you aware of the dispute with regards to the leadership off the "traders union" and the effect of that dispute on traders, motorists, residents etc?

(That's why it's not only residents that complained to the government about the market, even traders lodged complaints).

dont you see this guy's name? sunny "bobo"! he must think he is preaching to bakassi boys over here.

micklplus: Please, tell us. I like to acquire knowledge

go get some basic knowledge on it first then come back with your pen and paper for a detailed dissection.

Sunny_bobo: With all due respect brother, comments like the one above show you don't have a clue about how these markets operate. The elders of the community will be the ones begging for the market to reopen. Do you know how much 'cuts' those elders and their 'boys' make from that market? They make millions daily my brother. Also, many ordinary members of the community make a living from the location of the market there. You have the women who serve as porters (alabaru) with some of them strapping their babies to their backs while carrying goods for customers to the park or from the parking store. You have restaurant operators and other food vendors, you have pure water sellers etc

Also, property owners in the community will be the hardes hit if the market is closed as the traders will only move somewhere else and continue their trade. Ask Idumota landlords what happened when Auto parts traders moved to ASPMDA Trade fair. Those who own houses in those communities let their property out as parking stores for the traders who store goods brought in from their main ware houses far from the market as most times only samples are displayed in the shops cos of space. It is a very common practice for eg in Idumota where we operate for a man living in a flat with his family to let out one of the rooms to an Igbo trader as parking store at an exorbitant cost.

Why do you think NAFDAC hasn't been able to close Idumota market even when Dora Akunyili vowed to do so? Well, the late Oba of Lagos who himself was a pharmacist simply told her that his palace is not a market cos the Oba literally lives inside the market and gets settled heavily by the market union and he knows what his subjects would pass through should that market be moved.

Everything is not in black and white my brother.

the elders dont care who occupy a market but they care about their community being filthy and a eysore and nuisance.

the elders are part of the people that lodged complaints. are you deaf or blind, cant read?

PROUD-IGBO:
^^^What sewer did this diseased rat crawl out from? Insofar as the 'one Nigeria' your god fought to sustain still exists, those traders have as much right as your wicked self to live, work, buy land and carry out any other legitimate business in Lagos. Kapish!?

the only right they have in Yorubaland is that of a tributary. You know what a political tributary is?

Bliss4Lyfe: Well put propaganda, but one point... Yorubas don't own Lagos. Go and learn property law and u will find that the land belongs to those with property on it particularly after long residency. mumu!

ODE! Even Oba of Lagos will tell you the land belong to the native families. Federal Govt sef tried to convert it to Federal land and lost in court. na ibo go come say because hin build mansion for land the land belong to am. Una never sabi! I don tell una many times, at the end of the day this Yorubaland will wash the ibo blood from your gene pool. small small, generation by generation you go become yoruba. Ijaw go end up inherit alaigbo.

CyberG: Let them go back to their native land and do their business there. The laws and respect of your host states far outweigh whether you make 100 B or 100 Tr. In as much as some of the traders are appealing to our better angels, some ungrateful ibo bigots make it difficult to not want to repatriate the entire ibo back to their villages in SE. You don't own any other land except iboland. You will also have to pay your taxes in full, obey the laws, respect your hosts and understand that you are tenants with absolutely no rights to the land or any market.

AWESOME!!

naptu2: The LG chairman also said that some people print tickets and extort money from members of the public, claiming that they are from the LG, but he doesn't know who those people are and the LG does not receive one kobo in revenue from the market. He said his officials are usually chased away by thugs anytime they go into the market to perform their duties.

The Lagos State Police Commissioner has had cause to invite the market leaders to his office because of this issue of thuggery.

i suspect that if these guys do not hurry up and clean up but continue to affront the govt, some elders in the community will prevail on the governor to close the market permanently. ....afterall it belongs to the local government.

if that 100b means much to them they need to hurry up and get in there and begin the cleanup.

Afam4eva: And what makes you think that they're not paying tax that's that much?

thats one of the complaints from Mushin LG. They dont pay their levies and taxes. The LG has a long list of complaint against them.

Sunny_bobo: The problem with the Yorubas is that they want free land. You can't get it bro. We pay heavily for land in Lagos for anything ranging from land for churches, houses, markets etc. if they paid for their land and obtained the necessary deeds and titles, what stops them going to court?

Yorubas gave you safety and security of lives when elsewhere you were hated and chased out. Yorubas gave you a path to economic recovery by opening our land for you to operate markets and industry....aspects which your own land cannot support. Yorubas gave you back your property and rents and mortgages when your rights in other parts were permanently and forever denied.

so what is a piece of land to give to a Yoruba community for a cultural center? Beside, in the other example they wanted a purchase, not a gift.


since we are talking of ladipo market....ibos did not buy any land in lagos on which any of your markets are located. you are leasing space on the land. the markets belong to the local govt. update and educate yourself on land laws in yorubaland. if you paid someone for a marketland purchase, hurry up and get your money back, LGs own rights of holdings on behalf of native families.

ACM10: You are a pathological liar. Go away.

We just brought you two instances of discrimatory practices against non-igbos wanting to acquire land in igbo land. you call both lies. meanwhile Enugu government is not a liar when they admitted that something was not right and they will correct it?

eggheaders: guy you must be kidding I personal handle the contributions then.and we have over the market price of land in ogidi.when we approach the elders and tell them our mission they refuse when they learnt it will be used for islamic purpose stop saying what you dont know.

what do you expect of a culture that discriminate against its own citizens to do to foreigners coming to settle?

by they way, land in ogidi should be very cheap......its not like investors are pouring money in there or anything.

ACM10: I am asking you, "why did the Yoruba media ignore the news"? Can you post a link to that news?

use your own keyword and find it in a search engine. nobody feeds free links anymore. we share the message you go find your own source if you need it that bad.

alj harem: LOOOOOL, there are times I would join you and there are times you have to see reason with them as well. There is no point scattering everything here my brother. Lets explain to them, Ndigbo have a big heart and would understand if we explain to them.

a normal people will be concerned and trying to compromise with the govt,.....if this was hausa or yoruba we would already be hurrying up to clean the place and do what govt asks so we can be in their good books. not ibo, they are threatening and callung the governor all kind of names.

you are subcribing to their disrespect for the state, the gov and yoruba people generally when you make such a statement.

there is free speech and opinion but if you have no firm stand on yoruba cause then dont hurt it either.

ACM10: . . .and Yoruba media ignored the news too. You don't have any case except lies.

Enugu government is reviewing the matter and has promised to correct it. They said it was an omission as government chabged hands. So we are waiting to see. If those people are not given their land you can bet your state on it that Afenifere will be on your case.

ACM10: If Yorubas cares so much about environmental degredation, then why is Ibadan so filthy? This is a sheer hypocrisy! Fashola is simply a tribalist. He had demonstrated such in the past by deporting Nigerians. Sadly, many Yorubas did not deem it necessary to condemn his action.

this is about your brothers shytting in canal and messing up the environment in ladipo. no one is talking about ibadan

alj harem: Look my brothers, I would not go down this tribal issue. Yorubas and Lagosians have NOTHING AGAINST IGBOS. What we type here on Nairaland stays on nairaland. Yorubas love igbos and have nothing against Ndigbos. Trying to bring an ethnic militant to fight your battle when we can discuss on a round table is just nonsensical and I am sure you would agree with me.

hey Alhj step aside abeg. which kin talk be dat? its time for igbo in west to watch its back

ACM10: This comment has no atom of truth in it. It is simply a figment of your imagination.

why would you not deny it.....it is an embarassment on SE generally, not just Enugu.

Sunny_bobo: Was it reported that those boys were brandishing weapons and protesting? So because Lagos state government labelled them Bakassi boys, they are now Bakassi boys. What have they done to those Fulani cattle rearers who move around openly with daggers, bows and arrows and actually put them to use. Let them touch those ones na and see if Lagos won't be a child's play compared to Plateau state.

Just in case you don't know, in every market operated by the Igbos, there is always a security task force as well as other task forces. This set of people help in providing security in the market both in and out of business hours since Nigeria Police is useless in that regards. It's just like the street security teams which we have in almost every street in Lagos now.

Lagos state is credible and will not call them bakassi boys unless they are.

You all are venting over market closure and arrests. I didnt see this much noise action when your people are slaughtered in hausaland.. Your massob boys were floating in ezu river you didnt make this much noise.

since you have a high reverence for your killers maybe we should earn your respect next time and turn area boys loose and your bakassi boys end up in black hearses rather than in black maria.

eggheaders: head bridge market in onitsha dominated by Hausas and yorubas was demolished in onitsha no more scream tribalism. during my nysc we were trying to get a land for mcan Secretariat we were denied a land in ogidi just because we were Muslims.y'all simpletons can scream all I care until y'all respect the environmental law that place will be closed.and it get really irritating when grow a55 men whine like drunk foetus.if lagos ain't conducive y'all should get your a55 to wherever you come from.

Yoruba settlers in Enugu state were given land by a former governor to build a social cultural center or market (something like that), well after that governor left the Yorubas were dispossed of the land and no other land has been given as replacement.

Let everyone go back to his fatherland before this damn country turn 100

Sunny_bobo: They might not be making up to that but trust me their daily turn over is way up there. Mind you, that is turn over and not profit. That's same way Dora Akunyili was shocked when she said she learnt that a pharmaceutical trader in Idumota make up to 3.5m in daily sales when she initially got to NAFDAC. I laughed at the statement then knowing fully well that that amount is what an average trader in the market then turns over as I was in the market at the time helping out with my brothers biz.

At that time, 3.5m for us was just a single purchase by a single customer say an Alhaji from Maiduguri, or a customer from Onitsha, Kano or Aba. If its on a day when you have some of your foreign customers from Chad, Niger republic etc, na carton we dey use carry money go bank like 3 to four times a day. This is just gor a guy who was just starting after his apprenticeship though his 'master' is one of the big players thereby giving him a sound footing to start with.

For big boys like Tony (Orange drugs), Nnamdi ( Embassy pharmaceuticals), Ebele and Obiora( Greenlife pharm, owners of Lonart), Edwin (Clarion Medicals), Elvis (EPIL pharm), St. Michael pharm (owner of maloxine), Paully (Elbe pharm, owner of Amalar), Richmoore (Richy Gold pharmaceuticals), Neros Pharm (owner of Artesunat) etc, their sales in Idumota alone on an average day would be over 100 million naira.

If you doubt this story, ask any of your friends who work in a bank branch located in any of those markets especially Trade fair, Idumota and Alaba.

They won't be making up to 100 billion naira as claimed but forget all that crap about GDP. How do they generate the figures in a chaotic society like Nigeria.

and all these people you mentioned pay tax, right? if they pay tax in measure of their income, then i will say go and invite all your brothers from north to relocate to west. we have children who need scholarship, we need to setup elderly facilities and welness care for our senior citizens, ......in exchange for the land and security your tax should be funding the social programs.

peckhamboi: N100 billion daily

N3 trillion monthly (x 30)

N36 trillion annually (x 12)


Nigeria's budget = N4.9 trillion

They claim to be making more than 7 times the whole country's budget in a year.
[size=14pt]Somebody is telling a bold face lie[/size]

we are going to take their claim at face value and impose a face value tax that is commensurate at the individual level.

hopefully after 6months of heavy tax they will repent and amend their claim.

Slizbeat: I personally felt their pain in this. Was at Ladipo yesterday and saw loads of containers on the streets. Some as far as ilupeju and you know that the trailer drivers can not leave the containers there and drive their trailers home. These same traders that has been chased from work for two days now would have to be paying dumerage(don't know if my spelling is right) for the number of days the trailer would be there pending when the market is finally opened.
Well, I don't know what to say as I too feel pains for them other than to plead with the State govt to act quickly and not allow the issue stay for another two days so these traders could go about their businesses. One thing with container business is that money does not go to the bank. It goes back abroad for more goods and that is why the traders complain of not having money at hand.

What I would personally advice these traders to do is to ask for 6months--1year from the govt to occupy ladipo. During that period, those with enough cash should be able to purchase a land along Lagos-Ibadan expressway or better still move down South-east, build up ware houses while those with less cash should rent them pending when they make enough to build theirs.
By so, they would be free to trade without interruption. Why I put the south-east there was because majority affected are from that region. I know its not easy but they should try cos a journey of a thousand miles starts with a step.

Here is a Quote of what the traders say:



http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/02/closed-market-were-losing-n100bn-daily-cry-ladipo-traders/

can you please advise them to start the cleanup immediately. all the time they waste marching and protesting could be spent. cleaning up their filth.

fashola is not going to back down, he will not reopen until the measures are all satisfied.

you know, there are markets in lagos that are over 100 yr old - ebute ero, ereko, jankara, iddo....etc. ebute ero and ereko alone bring in far more on a daily basis than either of ladipo or alaba market bring in on a daily basis.

igbos wanting to do business and thrive in lagos should look at these century old markets as model of enterprise and commerce. none of tjese old markets has ever been shut down. when i was growing up, the marketers in ebute ero sweep and wash their grounds each morning before market opens.

who is this amnesty international, what are their credentials and statutory authority on moral or legal judgement?

tell amnesty to fvk off....the only amnesty we recognize in west is OPC.

you know manny, i first thought massob was playing for initiating Biafran Inco.e Tax. Now i see justification for it.

N100b/day is more money than some nations allocate for monthly expenditure.

manny4life: Bia nwokem, he used it as a figure of speech. Like I learned, the Ijele is known as the KING of all masquerades in Anambra and known for three virtues - Strength, Peaceful (don't know the third). So he's not necessarily saying he's a masquerade but the defining qualities of Ijele... Who are you to say whether Biafra Rep can or not have the qualities or be King?

Ok Syncan can help kowarshiate.

now that clarifies it even better. google ciuld not have given me what you guys can regarding your language.

but anyway, gotta go.... kachi foo !

ogugua88: [size=13pt]The Ijele of which I know is a popular masquerade. Mmonwu Ijele.[/size]

thank you nwanyi. so why would sycan say "our ijele"? "our masquerade".....biafra rep is a masquerade?

reason i asked about ijele is because it is close to ajele in yoruba. ajele in my language is tax collector. i can see biafra rep being a tax collector, but a masquerade? .....tufiakwa! who born am?