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smith27: Mother Tongue--Ükwäni

I speak and write the following languages parfectly well

Yoruba( plus Ijebu dialect)
Hausa
Igbo
German
English
French

Uptil this moment people still don't believe am from Delta state

You are Nigeria incarnate lol.
Anyway, Ukwuani aburo Igbo?

I've found out how to say 'to smile'. It's 'ima amu'. I actually came upon this while watching a film.

The problem with Nigeria is that most (if not everyone) want to leave but none want to be the target.

Imagine Nigeria as a secret cult. A cult in which every member is aware of his impending doom but is afraid to leave since he is under the impression that his fellow cult members will chastise him for doing so. However, he is also oblivious of the similar intensions of his 'friends'.

Using this perspective, none of us are any different (atleast based on my observations on Nairaland). Given a chance to do so, the South West would happily secede and form it's own nation-state. The Igbo and their Eastern neighbors have done it before and are willing to do so if given the opportunity. Now, certain Northerners are even clamouring for a separate Islamic State of Northern Nigeria.

Ileke, aren't Becomrich and Musiwa your fellow Yoruba? I'm sure you've seen the countless illustrations and maps of 'Odua Republic' which they have created and littered this site with, haven't you? Then I guess, theoretically, they (and all other Yoruba who seek self-determination) will be among the thousands who are to be slain in order to defend the unity and integrity of Nigeria.

Hmmm.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI][s]Stop that rubbish. How many times have you advocated for killings of Northerners and Yorubas here?

At such age, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

People like you are the reason why others believe a quick ethnic cleansing is urgently needed. You might as well follow your fathers since you're so immorally involved with Biafra. Biafra died with them, all we have left are ethnic jingoist carrying around bettered and bloodied flag.

Nigeria is at its 150ml population[/s], if people cannot live and let others live. . . . [s]do yourself a sweet justice and fall off the face of the planet[/s]. Wasn't one Chinedu or Uche recently hanged in China for drug dealing? Who missed him? Seriously, who remembers his name sef?

[s]All you losers should stop calling for war. . . . esp if you're crying over statements such as "2000 dying" because such wars/battles you urgently cry for will multiply that number by hundreds.

edioyatssss!!!

29, unmarried, nothing to live for in life, just comes on NL to become one plastic arm char eze. I see[/s] .[/quote]That's just the mentality we want. Were the East to leave without the shedding of a single drop of blood, we all wouldn't be here.

@Colored section
I don't see what that has to do with anything...

Anyway, if you want to maintain a fruitful convo on a forum like this, it's best to keep personal insults and drama out of the equation. What use is it to insult someone's personal life if you disagree with their mode of thought? For all we know, you might be describing yourself.

[quote author=musiwa.,]odumchi, ijaw only own land at the border of delta state around bomadi..

The ijaw who live in New York have their own community. do you say Ijaw people own new york. the answer is no. even there are street in the US or Uk or Canada with Nigeria names. Does that make it own by nigeria. No.







[img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg194/scaled.php?server=194&filename=394631rtrfd1jpg367fafc3.jpg&res=landing[/img][/quote]I stated Warri to make a reference to the oil producing areas of southern Delta state not to necessarily say that the Ijo own Warri.

Obiagu1: It's actually Delta and Rivers states.

Oh, okay thanks for that clear up.

@shymmex,
Anyway, according to the Bayelsa State website, Bayelsa produces thirty percent of Nigeria's oil wealth. If you add this to the oil being produced in the Ijo-held areas of Rivers and Delta (Warri zone) state, it will be clear that most (not necessarily an overwhelming majority) of the oil in the SS resides in Ijo areas. Besides, the fact that they have been the hardest hit by oil mishaps and environmental issues attests to this fact.

Brixtonyute: The two maps below shows that Ijaw land don't really have that much oil fields - and the little they've are mostly off-shore oil fields.

Shymmex was talking about in-land oil fields that are actually located in the South South. From what I've read, the both of you are saying that the bulk of oil production in the SS occurs outside of Ijoland. My question is where then could that be? I thought it was widely known that Bayelsa state and southern Rivers state are the principal oil-producing states in the SS?

shymmex:

[s]Ijaws and Yorubas don't even belong in the same sentence.. Bunch of noisemakers with little oil[/s]. Most of the crude oil in the SS isn't even on Ijaw land. [s]You guys and your retarded president need to get a life. Bunch of crazy wimps![/s]

How did you come about this? Please, where then is most of the South South's oil?

Oh okay. Thanks anyway.

ChinenyeN: How does Aro say 'to smile'?

We say "Ija eze". Do you know another way of saying it in Izugbe? And what of Ngwa?

CyberG: ^ Katsumoto shows up to deliver precise history lessons from multiple sources! Good job bro!

Unfortunately, most people will only see what is in their minds regardless of hard evidence to the contrary. Haka_Nai nailed it good. Most sections of Nigeria will easily gravitate towards a patriotic leader and people who demonstrate the passion for nation building, not revenge, not settling scores (which is totally impossible anyway), not sectional or tribal. While it is very hard to get a "perfect" person with all the glowing requisites of leadership, the constant fights on NL from our fellow Nigerians who talk only of secession (who will elect a leader to plunge a country into another war), revenge, settling of scores, under-developing everywhere else to develop a particular region, emptily boast on how he is better than everyone else, claims he is 90% of every part of the population in states in Nigeria, etc will be impossible to build the rapport to elect a president.

While there are mild and level headed posters (e.g. Ikenna), the rhetoric of 99% of SE will perpetually make it impossible for the North or West to trust it. So, how will a president emerge except Goodlloku selects an SE for president and does not get greedy, controverting his earlier postulations of not seeking a second term? Remember the guy usurped their party's so called gentleman's agreement and if he said zoning is dead, all well and good, how can it now be alive again when he leaves the position? Making change is one at a time and when most Igbos begin to seek common good of Nigeria, they will begin to earn that trust. Otherwise, how can you want to break up the place, cause a war, killing millions of people, claim you are invincible in battle, look down on your hosts in the West (who spare no time to demonstrate they are well ahead of the game), the North (who despite all your abuse own significant assets in the oil fields, masters of diplomacy and quite united), threaten to take the lands of Port Harcourt, and other minorities and YET think any of these people will sit back until you create another BIG problem we will be grappling with for another 100 years?

The authenticity of the 'facts' in your post carries the same questionable quality of that of those whom you listed. There are many things in your post that hint of hidden malice and it seems that you continue to overlook the accomplishments of the Igbo people. Your post isn't balanced with a dual perspective. Rather you chose to produce a 'one sided' perspective, and in doing so, truncated the equally important perspective of the Igbo people.

Igbo, is there a more accurate way of saying "to smile" ("ichi ochi" in central Igbo? I know how to say it in both central Igbo and in my dialect but I'm wondering if there's a more accurate way of saying it in Izugbe.

After some inquiring, I finally figured out what Aniche means.

Aniche/Anicho/Aliche/Alicho (Aro) - a different land or a place other than one's fatherland. *Oftentimes, males born outside of their father's ancestral homes were given this name*

Eko Ile: We didn't vote for OBJ talk less wanting him.


SE population and all the twe twe you are talking about means nothing, SE leaders are not ready for anything, they are a bunch of sellouts, they are politically weak and incompetent, they also lack focus and sense of porpose., they can't even stand each other talk less advancing their positions and their people.


They are backstabbers...look at the PDP chairmanship position, they back stabbed each other 4 times and replaced many ibo chairman within 4 years till Hausa man chance them by taking away the position from them. This position was zoned to ibo people, but since ibo people don show their hand by going with GEJ, they end up paying the price by loosing their zoned position. They got punked and this is just the beginning...


Funny enough, for Hausa man to win, they need ibo people and they'll get ibo people to go along because Hausa man need mumu and since they know Yoruba people are too smart and uncontrollable so they'll always hold their nose and go with ibo people as powerless figure head just like ZIK... den go use you and throw you away as usual.

ibo people never learn anything.

You're response resembles that of the 'typical Nigerian armchair political analyst'. Always ready to criticize the work of others yet incapable of doing anywork himself.

Onlytruth: hehehe!
My brother you are right on the first bolded.
The second bolded reminds me of my days in physics and chemistry classes. I don't know if I agree with it though.

Eze, onwere ihe m'choro igwa gi. Adressi emaili mu efuola. M'mehela nke ohuru. Nke ohuru bu Nwaeze@hushmail.com. Biko zitaram ozi.

Onlytruth: Okay, here is my take.

I believe that our destiny remains firmly in our hands, if we understand that fact. What I've seen so far is that the Igbo mindset needs a little shake up to wake us up to the reality of life in Nigeria, and to force us to think in ways that enhance our survival as Ndigbo in Nigeria.
So far on this thread, I already see some Igbo making irresponsible statements as if they are in a civilized country: "oh I don't care who emerges president, provided blah this blah that". Like duh!
How many years have we lived by this mindset, and what has it fetched us in Nigeria? Take a careful look at Nigeria, the SE is by far the most marginalized zone in Nigeria; and this is a zone that is the heartbeat of the Nigerian nation. Why then are our federal roads and other federal projects neglected?
As a major tribe in Nigeria, why do we have the least representation at the federal level owing to being the only zone with 5 states in Nigeria? All these happened in the period between 1967 and today - a whopping 45 years! In that period there have been 11 Nigerian presidents! Yet none of them have treated us fairly comparative to other zones. Jonathan has been in office for about one year, so I would wait till December this year to judge him.

So, hear me loud and clear, going by Nigeria's past, IT IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ANY IGBO TO SAY THAT HE DOES NOT CARE WHETHER WE PRODUCE A PRESIDENT OR NOT OR WHERE THE NEXT PRESIDENT WOULD COME FROM (I used to think like that, but I have since dropped that mindset too). Please quote me on that.

Now on this topic,

I believe that Jonathan promised not to contest the 2015 elections. So, in that scenario, the only thing we can do now is to rally round ONE party as Ndigbo. We are arguably the single biggest tribe in Nigeria; and by Ndigbo I mean ALL IGBO from SE and SS. We should coalesce round one party by at least 90%. We can remain in other parties in little numbers. And the time for the groundwork that leads to that is NOW. I don't like PDP mainly because the party has not demonstrated enough care for Igbo interests in Nigeria. Once we dominate one party, we can then use our BLOCK VOTE which we demonstrated with Jonathans election, to put forward our own candidate and pick a VP from another block voting zone in Nigeria. We can get it based on these, irrespective of what the occupant of Aso rock wants. I personally do not believe that Nigerian elections would be getting worse. I believe the courts have demonstrated that they can rise to the occasion in recent times. So, I predict that soon, a president would emerge irrespective of Aso rock support. So, we need to give it a shot in 2015. If we fail, we try again with refined strategy in 2019. I believe that we will get it.
This is what we need to do.
Our destiny is in our hands!

Here I stand!

Yours truly

Onlytruth, Ndu di n'eziokwu 1 of Igboland, Eze Ndigbo Nairaland.

O bu ka osi eme.

afam4eva: The same way 2003, 2007 and 2011 were our best chance. Nothing points to the fact that an Igbo person will mount that leadership position except for the benevolence of Goodluck Jonathan who like other past presidents will want a second term. It will be suprising for him not to run for a second term and we all know he will win whether by hook or crook.

The PDP agreement of '99 awarded 2 terms to the SW and in 2007, OBJ 'dashed' the presidency to his puppet Yar'Adua. With Yar'Adua's death, that cycle was broken and Goodluck took the presidency. He ran in 2011 and we Igbos (and Easterners) supported him. However, when we run in 2015, he must accept and understand his obligation to the Igbos and the East in general.

The turth is that the ball is in our park and our future is in our hands. The most important thing that we, as a people, need to do is to unite under the flag of a single party and decide who to support when the time comes. II've drafted out a list of sub-goals that will help us reach our main goal:

-Creation of 6th South-East (Anioma).
-Union of South-eastern and South-Southern Igboland under a single party.
-Recongition of various ambitious presidential-candidates.
-The Spread of our political system into other states.

OAM4J: Worst Case Scenario:

The North will want it back in 2015, and if they get it, they will want to hold on to power for 2 terms so SE might only get it in 2023.

If GEJ remains in office after 2015, the probability of SE getting it in 2019 is very slim, It will most likely go back to the North and with the North using 2 terms, chances of SE getting the presidency will be 2027

Either way its not looking good for SE... So the best option for SE is to get it in 2015 else. . .

You're right my brother. 2015 is our best chance and all preparations must be made for then else we will find ourselves in the same situation.

Eko Ile: Why bother? Gt it out of your head, ibo in Aso Rock is not happening. never ever.


You need the north and sw to get you there, but we all know the north is now down with anything ibo talk less in Aso Rock with your hate and petty jealousy Yoruba ain't down for you either...

Even showing your hands with GEJ and your crooked votes didn't help.

Y'all are fcukkkeedd..

Lol, why do I even bother?
Anyway, I think you should be more concerned with regaining numerical superiority in Lagos rather than bearing my people's headache.

afam4eva: I was going to create a new thread to tackle this kind of mindset. I've heard several Igbos share this line of argument and i want to understand what people mean by "Igbos are not ready" putting into considering that Igbos have produced the brightest technocrats in the history of Nigeria.

@OP
If an Igbo man does not emerge in 2015 or even 2019, nothing will happen. Things will just continue like normal. We expect Igbo leaders to come out every 4-years for another "Igbo presidency" drama and will not even work to achieve it because there palms are still being greased by those in power who will stop at nothing to make sure Igbos never govern this country. If the ruling party decides to field an Igbo candidate at the end of the day, just expect the worse president that Nigerian will ever have. Don't be surprised if they field Theo orji as the Igbo candidate. So, it's better an Igbo president does not come from PDP.

I reluctantly accept the fact that you're speaking the truth. What we need to do is empower our leaders and support them on their political journey. I would prefer that an Igbo president doesnt come from PDP also. Hopefully in the time bewteen now and then, Igboland will be united underr the AGPA flag.

kingoflag: I thought that ancient practice called rotation was dead in Nigeria?

Zoning was really a PDP thing until GEJ broke the cycle. PDP itself was created as a 'party meant to unite Nigeria'. However, its obvious that the nation's major political/ethnic voting blocks have mostly defected to their own parties (Yoruba:ACN, Igbo:AGPA, Hausa:CPC). The crux of the matter is that it's time for the East to flex its own political muscle.

There is an Igbo proverb that goes, "The man who leaves no provisions for the rain will eventually get wet". This has made me think slot about the current situation of things in Nigeria and especially regarding the Igbo people. I've noticed that all around the buzz is "Igbo 2015" while some say "GEJ 2015" and others "North West 2015" and I've come to realize that unless provisions are made, the upcoming election will be surprising.

It's not that I don't believe that an Igboman cannot occupy the presidency come then, off course surely I do! Rather what it is is that I would like for us to try to forecast our future and see ourselves and our position a few years down the road.

Let's say that come 2015, a non-Igbo man is illegitimately elected president, what then? Will we then begin shouting "South-East 2019"? Please respond, I would like to hear the clean opinions and thoughts of other Igbos and Nigerians alike.

Igbo, kee ihe anyi ga eme oburu na anyi doro oche presidenti na afo 2015 n'emerigi?

shymmex: What's the correlation between Yoruba and lazy ass African Americans?

Lagos and Yorubaland flourished in different businesses way before the first Igbo man left the forest - and when you leave, we'll continue with our commerce. We don't need you guys and your fake stuffs, and you can take take your rubbish nollywood with you as well. Yorubas started theatre and home videos in Nigeria - andeven the few decent nollywood films which comes out from time to time are produced and directed by Yoruba people.

Lagos is too overcrowded any ways - take your businesses to your erosion ridden red land - we don't need you guys.

I'm sick and tired of you arrogant people.

I still find it amazing to believe that just a few days ago you were the person claiming for an end to e-ethnocentrism and a 'union of the black race'.

Anyway... there's some sense in what the op is saying if you choose to analyze it from a purely economic perspective. Igbo people form the majority of Lagos' (and Nigeria's) business class. Driving out the Igbo people from any city is like driving out a taxable income base and commerce. This applies not only to the Igbo but also to any people (or persons) that stimulate commercial activity and economic growth.

Now look at it from a fresh perspective: imagine all of a certain city's Hausa traders were expelled. How would that negatively affect that city's (or region's) local economy? Well first of all, the price of meat would skyrocket making previously cheap things like goats unaccessable to the average person. Secondly, gold prices would soar, and this would probably negatively effect the city's international commerce (to some extent) since the Hausa are renown currency converters.

I hope you see what I'm getting at. The op's argument can apply to basically any other group as well.

I would use it to run for local government councillor

Or I would probably use some to erect a nice village duplex bungalow. Then I'd use the rest to get an ozo chieftaincy title and enjoy the benefits of free meat and reserved seats at social events.