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torkaka: @karl max

ignorance is bliss! i'm pretty sure your okoro brothers are laughing at you!

who are "ekoi" people? mumu. ekoi is an efik related group! just because they made up arochukwu doesn't mean they are igbos. that like saying all the tribes in kwararafa were jukun. anyway just to be sure, i want you to post in your own words that akpa are not efik but igbos so i would have a good laugh! i'm pretty sure your fellow igbos on NL are covering their face in shame for your total display of ignorance! olodo

Ekoi people do not and never did make up Arochukwu. In fact the Ekoi people do not even border Igboland. Their territory is on the Nigerian-Cameroon border. The only things they share with the Aros are probably cultural practices (ekpe/okonko) which reached the Aro through the Efik. Like I said earlier they aren't Efik nor are they Igbo.

torkaka: @karl max (though jj evans should have been your name)

akpas are efik.

The Akpa are not Efik. In Arochukwu, the Efik, Annang, and Ibibio are all called 'Ibibios' meanwhile there is a distinct name for the 'Akpa' suggesting that they are a distinct group. The Akpa originally spoke a Cross-River language known as Enna (in addition to speaking Igbo as a trade language). However this was long ago. Nowadays, the Akpa (if they still exist in substantial numbers) have been influenced so much by the Efik that they now speak Efik. They are a group distinct from the Ibibio-Efik.

torkaka: ^^^^^ so it is agreed the war was won mainly by the akpas ^^^^^ so it is agreed the war was won mainly by the akpas

Does that in anyway diminish the significance or the power of the Aro-Confederacy?

torkaka: @one_naira

did you say ibibio-aro wars? wasn't that the war that they was a stalemate after the ibibios resisted the eze agwu? wasn't it after resistance that eze agwu allied with an ibibio prince kakpako okon but they were still defeated? wasn't it after defeat that the igbos along with kakpako (ibibio prince) sort the help of akpa (eastern cross river group) who had european guns that they used in defeating the ibibios? my guy,that war was won by the akpas!

anglo-aro wars? are you dull? i'm talking about winning wars and not losing wars! wasn't that the war that the british defeated the aro people and hanged their chiefs? they were five major battles in that war, the british won all but one!

poor guy. the igbo war CV you brought out should be added to the biafran CV of always being on the losing side!

Prior to the vanquishment of the Ibibio people on the area west of the river Cross River and north of the Enyong stream, there were no people known as 'the Aro'. The Aro people only emerged when those three groups founded Arochukwu. The Ezeagwu clan invited not only the Akpa but the also the Oke Nnachi clan (which was Edda). The Oke Nnachi was also a heavily militarized Igbo group which shared affinity with the Abiriba, Ohafia, and Abam clans (which are the most militarized clans in Igboland). The Akpa themeselves were not Igbo (nor were they originally Efik speakers) but they shared blood relations with the Edda clan. Anyway, the war was won mainly with the help of the Akpa people.

Interesting enough, the Akpa are one of the three groups that compromise the Aro people, and there are probably more Aros with Akpa blood than 'pure' Akpas (that is if they still remain). I myself, as an Aro, have Akpa blood within me.


The Anglo-Aro war, that was another story altogether. The odds were against the Aro from the beginning. First of all, not all Igbo groups allied with the Aro since there was traditional resentment among them. Second of all, although numerically superior, the Aro had to face the technologically superior British (who had maxim guns). The Aro muskets were no match against British artillery and machine guns. Although the British were strong, the Aro were fierce. At the battle of Arochukwu, all able bodied men within the city (which probably numbered in the thousands) and thousands of more warriors from Ohafia and Abiriba were called in to defend Arochukwu. Although they were ultimately defeated, the fact that such a force could have been amassed is noteworthy.

When I come across the phrase 'Hausa man', I imagine an alhaji with a flowing three-piece agbada and a simple cap.

In Nigeria, geography is a complicated thing since it's determined mainly by the Niger and Benue Rivers. Anything east of thr Niger is considered eastern and the same for anything west of it (although I disagree with the labelization of Delta state as 'west') while anything North of the Niger and Benue is considered northern.

In that map you posted, half of Enugu, parts of Abia, and Ebonyi lie on the Eastern side. So if that map were to decide the calculation of geography in Nigeria, there'd still be Igbos in the 'East'. But it is safe to say that Igboland lies mainly in Eastern Nigeria (that's if you choose to consider Delta as a western state).

Ihe ri nma rima

The idea of there being a South South is merely a divide and conquer tactic.

How best do we punish the East for revolting?
Hmm... That's right! Let's divide them in half. Let's pit Igbo against non Igbo!

In actuality, there are two south souths. The eastern part of te South South (Akwa, Cross, Rivers, Bayelsa) is generally inclined to lean towards the Igbo on the political scale. Whereas the western part of the SS (parts of Delta, Edo) is generally neutral.

The days when Awilo longomba was popular

ekt_bear: What on earth does this thread have to do with Igbos?

I swear to God, the way some of you reason brainlessly makes me angry.

Thank you.

Here's more:

Mgboro (Aro/Ihechiowa) - girl born on Orie market day. Arochukwu doesn't answer 'Mgborie'.
Okorò (Aro) - a boy born on Orie market day. Arochukwu people say 'Okorò' instead of 'Okoró'. The name is pronounced 'Oko-o-rò' rather than 'Oko-ro'.
Okpunma (Edda/Eastern Igbo) - a blacksmith or metal forger.

Arochukwu means 'God's Spear' in Igbo.
Enugu aka Enu-ugwu means 'top of the hill' in Igbo.
Cross River State was name after the River Cross River.
Abia state is an acronym for its original four LGAs.

@Nri thanks.

Here are some more names:

Akaejiakpaku (general Igbo)- the hand used to accumulate wealth.
Okoronkwo (Southern and Eastern Igbo) - male born on Nkwo day.
Nnagwu (Aro) - hmm...
Nnachi (Aro/Edda) - native doctor
Illeoma (Edda) - good/beautiful thing
Okereke (Southern and Eastern Igbo) - male born on Eke.
Oti/Ota (Aro) - I don't know this...
Ezinta (Aro) - good hunter
Ugwuogo (Aro) - the honor of a village
Nlenanya (Wider Igbo) - observation/ just looking
Nwosu (wider Igbo) - offspring of an osu?
Obia (Aro) - stranger
Ariga (Aro) - small or skinny
Iroabuchi (Aro) - my enemy is not my God
Njideka (wider Igbo) - What I have is greader
Ogbuagu (wider Igbo) - leopard killer (brave man)

alj harem: ^^^^^^

How can you consider that as an insult ?

If you felt insulted by my words, I truly and sincerely apologise. It is quite difficult to show emotions in writing thus you considered it an Insult. Once again I am truly sorry

Please accept my apologise.

No need to apologize. I am not offended by your statement but I said that because others can easily take what you said as an offense. It's good to disagree but try to do so without directly or indirectly insulting the other person.

It's very possible that there are many ways that 'oyibo' in it's various forms entered into the pidgin dictionary. Prior to this thread, I had never even known that Yoruba and Edo people had their own explanations of how it entered into our speech. Well, since there are a number of explanations, I think I'll continue to hold my belief.

BlackPikiN: What does Achibong mean in IGBO.
I don see Igbo people wey dey answer Achibong and Bassey.

Bassey is just another way to write 'Obasi' or 'Obassey' which means God.

As for Achibong, I've never heard it but I'm guessing it could possibly mean 'leader of kings' since 'obong' means king in Ibibio and 'achi' means 'lead'. Lol this is only a guess it's unlikely that it means that tho.

@Ify

Thanks a bundle for your names. Could you supply us with more names particularly older ones?

kelz88: I think it depends on how you pronounce it. Could mean it wasn't me who did it, or it was me who did it (I did it). What a name.

You're very correct.

charlesbuu: Odumchi,

So wats the meaning of Owumomere

Uyanna
Uduji
Nkwoama
Umeanom
Ude
Ikwueto
Aniche

These are Aro Names. Where are the Aro Brothers. Supply us meanings pls.

Owumomere means 'I did not do it'.

BlackPikiN: Kedu, Did you delete my msg on this thread?

Enyi Ndaa?

M'huru ozi gi kama o dighi'm na aka. O dighi na ike'm igosi moderator ozo otu o si aru oru ya. Asi na omere ebe a m'gara ima ihe m'ga eme.
Imeela.

alj harem: I wonder when Oyibo became Igbo word Why would you call a foreigner Onye Igbo/Ibo. [size=14pt]That is a big fat lie[/size]. Please Odumchi and co, Know your history and culture well before discussion in cultural issues because an ignoramus would actually believe you all.

The closest was ufeolorun

Oyinbo literal meaning is pealed back honey/ Peeled skinned people which is the termed by yorubas to address light skin forienger According to Debra L. Klein

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&gs_nf=1&cp=13&gs_id=1e&xhr=t&q=oyinbo+yoruba&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=bks&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp&ei=Ke5lT8b3GubN0QWbt8ybCA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=83eff03ccb2cc236&biw=1043&bih=558

This word Oyinbo is not only used in Nigeria but also by Crelos people in Serri leano and according to them, they got it from the yoruba word

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nAQIcqwGqTEC&pg=PA80&dq=oyinbo+yoruba&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5e9lT6aKNtK10QW75qWSCA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=oyinbo%20yoruba&f=false

Oyibo is an Igbo way of saying Oyinbo which was originally never an Igbo word. Lets get our facts right here.

Oye ebeo is what Igbos call white (red) people before they adopted Oyibo

An Igbo writer called Ugo Nwokeji even claims the word Oyibo was borrowed from the yorubas and NEVER AN IGBO WORD. Link below

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tjLjoC6ScKYC&pg=PA218&dq=oyibo+igbo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0PBlT9--AqLK0QXww7CgCA&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=oyibo%20igbo&f=false

it is just like saying the word "na" is orginally hausa or so, we all know that "na" is a corrupt version of "nna" thus of Igbo origin.

Odumchi and co, Know your history and culture well before discussion in cultural issues

What kind of statement is this? Honestly this is the most insulting thing that i have come across. Why should you address someone like that simply because their opinion or view on something differs from yours? A statement like that only ticks people off.

I never said 'oyibo' was an Igbo word. As far as I know, the word exists in Pidgin. Igbo has it's own name for the white men which is 'ndi bekee'. As far as I know, 'oyibo' and 'oyinbo' are different in pronunciation and are spoken by mainly two different people. If your ideas on the words origin do not correlate with mine, fine. No need to insult anyone's intelligence.

charlesbuu: Nice thread. I have some traditional Igbo Names which i believe is from the Aro dialect. I really dont know their meanings. May be someone can help.
Uyanna
Anyanechi
Uduji
Nkwoama
Umeanom
Ihekerenma
Ude/Udeada
Aniche
Ikwueto
Ujalli
Owuu
Nwaji
Ivi

Meanings please

Thanks for this. I know the meanings of a few of these words.

Ihekerenma (Aro) - the thing that was beautifully created.
Ujalli (Aro) - A village in Arochukwu (Ujari) given as a name to boys.
Ivi (Aro) - possibly a short form of 'Ivuoma'. It's the Aro equivalent of Ify. It could also mean 'cleaner' or 'one who makes straight'. I'm not too sure.
Nwaji (Aro) - I'm not too sure about this one. I think it means 'yam farmer' or 'the child has'.
Owuu (Aro) - it is not so. I think it's a short form of 'Owumomere'.
Anyanechi (?) - the eye should look to God.
Aniche (Aro) - I forgot this word's meaning. Funny thing is it was my grandfather's name. I will inquire and will supply you with a meaning ASAP.

Here are some other names:
Inyama (Aro) - do you people know?
Ukpabi (Aro) - name of an oracle given to boys.
Njoku (Aro/wider Igbo) - I'm not too sure also.

Special thanks to everyone for your contributions! Please let's find more names.

@Chinenye thanks for contributing Ngwa.

@KenGali mbe means 'when' or 'time'. It's a variant of 'oge'. I think Apakata means 'to carry all' or 'to take care of all'.

@Aringosa 'ureh' means beauty. It is found in names like 'Adure' meaning 'beautiful daughter'.

Lol was this song in pidgin?

More

Diji (Nri-Awka) - yam harvester
Diubi (Aro) - farmer
Okpikpeghe/Okpokpogho (Aro) - One who accumulates wealth
Torti (Aro) - I really don't know...


Who is willing to give us a translation of: Anicho/Aniche/Alicho/Aliche (general Eastern Igbo)?

Special thanks to all of those who have contributed. Our offspring will value your efforts. More contributions!

ChinenyeN: See how easily some people just neglect protocol. Odumchi, did you not ask for [Name (Origin) - Meaning]?

Lol. I asked for it but i knew people would overlook it. I know I shouldn't expect much in terms of rule abidement.

Anyway, don't mind what people will say. You should feel free to post Ngwa.

Here are some more

Arisa (Aro) - One with good memory
Obasi (Aro/Ngwa) - God
Adaora (Nri-Awka) - daughter of the people
Ogbuefi (Nri-Awka) - cow killer (aka wealthy man)

NRI PRIEST: Olisaeloka=God thought well.
Arunma=Beautiful body.
Ifeadi=fortune has arrived.
Odumegwu=I feel astonished.
Okude=bowl of fame.
Ayondu=wealth of life.
Okwuego= thought of riches.
Udego=the fame of wealth.
Nwakaego=A child is greater than wealth. . .this is my favourite Igbo female name and I will give my daughter this name when he blesses me with a girl child.

Nri, my friend, thanks for your contribution. I'm guessing these are in Idenmil?

mezie4u: i wonder what he meant by 'avo' instead of 'afor' u re suppose to use general igbo in things like this not ur own local mbaise dialect

I don't think our ancestors spoke Central Igbo, did they? That's why I said people should please list names alongside with their meanings and dialects. You've yet to supply us with original names you may know lol

sexy glow: Don't confuse me I beg those names are pronounced as Okoroafo(r) Afoma,),Afo =year etc.. Wch one is avo?which Lang is that?

I wrote the names in their original dialects. We don't have to write in central Igbo because we are looking for names that existed long before the advent of central Igbo. In Aro dialect, year is 'avo' and almost all things said with 'f' in central Igbo are said with 'v'.

Now please give us your own contributions

I'll start.

Azinna (Aro) - the father's flesh.
Ezuma/Ezumah (Aro) - good character.
Nwavor/Okoravor (Aro) - child born on 'avor' market day.
Achinivu (Aro) - one who leads forward.
Akuma (Aro) - name of an Aro forefather given to males.

My people, let us put our heads together and form a database of traditional Igbo names along with their meanings. By traditional, I mean 'old Igbo' names that our ancestors answered (not names like Chima, Chioma, Emeka or etc).

Please let our motto while doing this be: ava anyi evukwa.

When you list the names please list it in this fashion: (name/dialect/meaning)

ChinenyeN: I've never heard of Odinani before. Is that supposed to be Omelala?

You're not the only one.