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The Pats will destroy the jets and their season on Sunday afternoon, I won't be surprised if the Ravens take it to the Steelers either. You can bet Seattle won't make it past the Bears so look out of the Falcons/Bears conference championships.

@Enigma,


thanks for the link, it is interesting to see that the same mode of prosperity doctrine is all over Africa with same results - rich/affluent pastors and poor congregations.

Only God can save our people from the mental slavery.

Joagbaje:
@ogajim
That's left for God to judge dude. 

What a childish question? You should have rather  said "If God is really a God how come the world is like this?"

It takes blindness not to see the great works ministers are doing.

It's their prayers and that of every saint that is keeping the world till now. Prayers of the church is restraining evil. And once the church is ruptured , evil will be unleashed on the earth. Read your bible.

And what are you doing about  personal salvation ? You ought to be more concerned about that. Are you born again now?
Because if you are there is a love and reverence you ought to have for all saints and Gods minister.  You need the personal salvation experience .

Pastor JoAgbaje, those are your words not mine. I would NEVER question God but trust me to question the fake preachers who abound in Nigeria, UK, USA etc because it it obvious they KNOW NOTHING about sacrifice except when they are calling on the congregation for "sacrificial offerings"



Dude,
I was in Nigeria last February and saw Churches in every other house but didn't see any added VALUE to the masses' lives. Maybe you can educate me more on the "great works ministers are doing" in Nigeria, I did see your CEC folks with bullhorns calling on folks for free rides to hear "Pastor Chris preach", right in front of Deeper life HQ building under construction. We need hard facts on what they are doing and please can you get them to work on SECURITY FOR ALL?


Thanks Pastor JoAgbaje but you ain't got to worry about me my man, I am in GREAT HANDS-Jesus Christ's. There is NO WAY I would ever believe in a Church more than I believe in Jesus Christ, wake up and smell the coffee. The Christian walk is not a race, it is a life long WALK to the finish line. I pray that all of you will follow Jesus and not man no matter what title he gives himself. This is part of Bible study (not read), we have to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves", remember that because this World is the devils playground and these money hungry pastors are nothing but his agents


In God through Jesus Christ I trust.

The Saints playing like their alter ego, "the ain't s"

Still plenty of time though they need to pick up the pace to avoid disgrace as the defending champs.

^^^ Nonsense!

Giving with the expectation os a reward is unscriptural, you should give because it is the right thing to do not because of what you will get out of it. You might as well put your money in the stock market if the reason for your giving anywhere is motivated by "many fold" return as is erroneously preached in most of these so called Churches.

Gombs:
2 corinth 9:7. . . Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give,not reluctantly or under compulsion,FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER.
Then when you read verse 8,u go see your reward, . .D problem i see hear is dat
.1. Many posts here are from people who dont read their bibles
2. Broke people who cant give to God.i bet all of the people writing thrash here have never given more than a 100naira offering.(even if its given,na wit pain)
3.if you dont want to give, shut up and dont give,leave those dat want to give.
4.if your pastor said give,its for your own good,not his.so if you have N500 and as usual,you all have made your small minds as 2corinth 9:7 says,to give N20,give it like dat,but however d case,God knows your heart.
5.dont insult nor judge men of God(both the called ones or not),whether they are good or bad,you would only bring trouble to your self.shut up and leave them to God.
6.because a man is a pastor,he should wear pant and singlet and eat rubbish and ride a bike,before you guys would be satisfied?even at dat,una go still talk, come to think of it,how much have you given to think you are helping d pastor to feed?
. . . Please please,if you insult any man of God,its like you insult God's personality. . . No wonder you dont make progress. Leave God to do his judge work.dont do it 4 him.

Double digiter Combs, Maybe you should study your Bible instead of "reading" it and you will get a more profound understanding so you don't get pimped by these business men in suits.

Shalom.

Joagbaje:
@poster,
What curse exactly did your pastor place ? What did he say ?  

This is exactly what Satan wants to achieve with threads like this. As a Christian try make postings that will lead to salvation and not destruction of potential seekers of God.

Giving to God is very important. Its part of worship. Jesus received, likewise Paul. You cant be worshiping God empty handed . But No body is forced into giving in church. Giving to God is out of love for God. You are connected to Gods blessing through giving. And if you refuse to give , it is you that lose the benefit and grace that is connected to giving.

Pastor JoAgbaje,


Why don't you just say Pastors who are actually serving the little master are leading folks away from Salvation and ought to be held accountable. If these Pastors were real, how come Nigeria is still the way it is? With the "unification of business leaders, politicians, pastors and other kinds of OLES, little wonder God doesn't hear their prayers!

Salvation is a personal experience and journey as the Holy Bible clearly told Christians that each one of us would have to " work his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling"

Leave men alone and worship God only.

I doubt that there's any team in the AFC right now that can beat the Pats at home this time. The Superbowl might already have been decided from the AFC side, NFC is where we're trying to figure out if the Saints can make it again then we would have a Superbowl to look forward to between Greg Williams Defense and Brady's offense.

seyizee,

Malachi 1:

6A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

7Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.

8And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 2

1And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

2If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.


Malachi 3

1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

2But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

3And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.



You can study the rest for your self but you do get my drift

@JeSoul,

If only we knew while "Super bowl marching" in 1992 that it would be a very very long time before we smell it again, most of us might have kept the party going a few more months,

We have a USELESS owner and the NE Pats have the BEST owner in football hence the difference is like night and day.


These single digiters aren't fooling no one but themselves, it smacks of desperation.

Tough weekend ahead!

Didn't know there was an NFL football talk on NL, thanks JeSoul!

Indy
Saints
Ravens
Eagles

Those are my wildcard weekend picks.

seyizee:
If MALACHI is not addressed to you because you think it is OLD FASHIONED and also because you felt some pastors are abusing it,then,you do not have the right to be a partaker of all the blessings and promises of GOD in both the OLD and NEW testament since they were not also addressed to you NIGERIAN,

Another guy who doesn't seem to understand what he reads in the Bible, Study the Bible for your self and pray over it then come back and tell me who the whole Malachi was speaking/talking to.

@JeSoul, I am a fan of Vick this time around and not really a fan of the Eagles being that they share the same division with our non performing 'skins.

I will check out your link shortly.

iv4real:
Its crazy wat dis so called men of God do for money. U pay for deliverance, prayers. My friend got a text message to come for deliverance N1000 per demon. N5000 for strong demons.Nothin person no go see.

Nigerian Churches na wa for una, Government need to start taxing them since they're the only "Business" growing in Nigeria these days. A company folds up for lack of power, infrastructure, security, etc and the next month, it is a "Church"

Na God go help man ooooo

@JaSoul, Vick for MVP

These single & double digit posters are SUSPECTS to say the least, Mr. Strategy, are you from the tribe of Levi? Show us where MALACHI was addressed to the Gentiles or today's Christian.

Matthew 25:31-46

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



Show me where tithes are mentioned in the above



Acts 7:48

48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Acts 17:24

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

As you can see above, God doesn't live in the so called Temples/Tabernacles or what have you, HE LIVES in every believer. Stop allowing these scam artists to take you to the cleaners in the name of tithes and offerings. If your heart/spirit leads you to give to a Church, stranger, needy, beggar, orphan, widow, etc by all means do so but to say a certain percentage is required of a Christian after the price Christ paid for our lives is heresy at best.

ebhohon:
Guys, giving is for your uplift and not for the pastor. most pastor's giving that make them what they are and not your giving. study malachi 3:1-10. cane and abel offered sacrifice to God but He accepted that of Abel. why? because he offered a quality offering.

^^^Are you from Ewu man? With a name like that you're either Benin (Idahosa) or Ishan (Oyakhilome)

You must be very young if not you would have known by now that Malachi was not addressed to you and I (as Gentiles and later Christians)
God is not an investment banker and prefers you to give him your HEART and SOUL (must remain UN-compromised), stop regurgitating the same old lies you hear from the pulpit dude.

I for one would leave a congregation where the "Pastor" is obviously so hungry for straight cash that he's cursing those who are "tight fisted", reluctant to give as he wants/expects them to because there is no where in the Bible where it was stated that one is "cursed" for not fattening their wallets.

It is good to give (to anyone in need not just Church) but one can't give what they don't have, all those stories of increase are not valid because God would not increase you just because you gave to his "cause" and your life is less than HOLY.

True increase comes from dutifully following all of God's Word in entirety not in parts.

Shalom.

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Advert on NL, wonder how many of these Churches took "this class"


The thread is about how Nigerian Pastors are making money online, American Pastors who are usually their "mentors/Pastors" have been doing this for a long time but trust our Nigerian Pastors to take it to a new level.

Awon she BUSINESS oooooooooo!

These guys are CREATIVE to the T, you need to charge 1k for "crowd control", if OJ Simpson had defenders like these bunch, he would not be chilling in a Nevada jail now.

How about the "loveworld mobile" business? Does it connect you straight to "heaven"? My Heaven is free as Jesus already paid my price.

Image123,

I don't know what part of the globe you are on but take it easy man(can I call you man?) You posted Scriptural verses that showed Jesus and the Apostles paying/give tithe? Kindly refresh my memory because I sure didn't see it anywhere.

Zikkyy:
Applicable? the concept can still be applicable. Nothing stop anybody from dedicating/offering a portion of his earnings (tenth, a third) or even everything to the Almighty (based on freewill).

A Christian requirement? NO.

There you have it folks, nothing more to add.

Pastor image123

Name calling is not a Christian value dude, Jesus came to show us the way
We've established he didn't COLLECT tithes or offerings as he wasn't from the tribe of Levi.
Fact is that he paid a "Temple tax" to shut up the questions from the scribes and pharisees

Anyone who has not heard the Malachi being quoted out of context by money hungry pastors and their associates probably haven't stepped in a Church in a very LONG time or need to let us know where they worship so some of us can check them out. The year is VERY young and I have already heard it this year. LOL

Image123:
^recycler
For the benefit of those who don't know your rigmarole gifts, there's nothing like law of tithe in scriptures. When the scriptures talk about law, it's refering to the law i.e the ceremonial laws done away with by the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, not some myopic attack on lighter matters when weightier matters are dying for ATTENTION.

You guys aren't serious! When you can't point to any Scripture to show that Jesus and the Apostles paid tithes, you retort to rigmarole and gamesmanship to try to cover up your exposed rear ends. Pastor JoeAgbaje has agreed that Malachi wasn't addressed to the Gentiles or Christians and don't those pastors love to SCARE folks with Malachi?

There is no principle that said you had to PAY God for blessings as opposed to living a holy life and helping out your fellow brothers and sisters along the way, no where it is stated that your help has to go through a "central collecting agency" to get to the widows, orphans, needy, strangers or what have you.

Joagbaje:
Hair dye is carnal, weavon must be carnal too, likewise make ups and combing of hair!.

You might be right on all counts except the combing part which doesn't add or subtract anything to one's hair. We have to "keep it real" as Christians not go in the ways of the World we were admonished to stay away from.

If it quacks like a duck, it is a duck!

^^^ Multiple IDs maybe?

Pastor JoAgbaje,

Maybe you can start by educating me on who the book of Malachi was addressed to before you take me to school on Abram's one time tithe (of WAR BOOTY) to Melchizedek the king of Salom (later day promise land) or why the Bible never recorded Jacob actually paying what he promised (two different forms), these also happen to differ from the Deuteronomy tithe system.

We understand a lot of big time "Churches" have huge budgets these days but that's not a reason to twist the Word of God for financial gain or stability.

Jesus paid the PRIZE on the cross and removed the need for a "Priest" between God and man (signified by the curtain of the temple being ripped to reveal the "holy of hollies"

I don't see Jesus make any mention of TITHE below do you?

Matthew 25:34-40

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

These truly are the last days as stated in Matthew 24 and may God help us all.

Any Christian that can't live with the "ORIGINAL" parts God gave him/her is being WORLDLY if you ask me. If you hate your grey hairs so much then shave your head instead of "afri hair dye" which looks ridiculous to say the least because everyone ought to know you're living a LIE anyway.






That hair right there doesn't look NATURAL to me maybe to others it might.

^^^ You are not God neither are your "MOGs"

Kunle was right and you are WRONG!

Freewill giving is not even restricted to the "Church" or to Christians, you can give whom ever you please or as your spirit/heart leads you not the kind of nonsense one hears on the pulpit these days about " will a man rob God, " Malachi wasn't even written for the Gentile or Christian, you guys know this and deliberately steal or don't know it and don't care to know it due to PROFIT motive.

You all need to repent before it's too late.

^^^ Akhozem:What is "unlearned" about what Kunle wrote?
Why don't you back up the "tithe is not a scam" belief among some of you folks with actual Bible quotes?
Be sure to EXCLUDE Malachi because that ain't for you and I (Maybe you're from the tribe of Levi)

Nigerians both at home and diaspora get duped everyday by these guys in custom made suits wielding a Bible. The Bible warned us about these times but most of us are too busy to study the Word for ourselves.

welovegod:
Tithe is 10% of your income.
The disciples were not receiving any income as in work done. http://www.ilovegodsite.com/2010/12/greater-glory-moving-to-next-level.html.

And sincerely as believers, we have much more important things discussing as searching for than weather Jesus and the apostles did paid tithe or not. remember the bible (new testament especially) is not a full detailed experience of the disciples. there are many things that are not included. therefore when it comes to tithe or no tithe, Malachi 2 is our major reference - http://www.ilovegodsite.com/

The same tactics every time! Now you are saying the new Testament is not as COMPLETE as your pastor's account, omase oooo.

WeloveGod(my God is a capital G, don't know about yours)

Are you or your pastor descendants from the tribe of Levi? Malachi 1,2,3,4 was not addressed to the Christians or gentiles and as chukwudi44 humbly asked, why can't you come up with a Biblical reference?

^^^ Don't mind these "MOG" worshiping lot jare!

Bobbyaf: I have to believe you must be a Levite to be quoting Pastors' favorite Bible Chapter Malachi 3, it must be addressed to you because it is not addressed to me either as a Christian or my Gentile status before Christ gave his life for our redemption.

Giving is fundamental to our faith but it doesn't have to be just a "Church" that receives our giving, do as your heart leads you but be sure to help the poor, orphans, widows, strangers, etc around you.

No wonder many of them will leave their parents, siblings, friends, etc hungry because they can't touch "what is for the Church"

"Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves" is our mandate from Christ himself because there are way too many wolves in sheep's clothing out there.

Shalom.