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Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 7:22am On Jul 18, 2024

TenQ:
Sometimes it feels like one is speaking to a dumb adult about logic when discussing with you.

In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot even with your Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries.

Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

1. Does Allah need permission to do anything?
2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?

I expect you to ramble about as usual
This is why Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions!

What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you

You obviously have terribly weak comprehension of English language.

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you also imply that Cambridge dictionary is wrong in saying?

may modal verb (PERMISSION)

B1 formal
used to ask or give permission:
A reader may borrow up to six books at any one time.
"May I help myself to some more food?" "Yes, of course."
Hi, my name's Tiffany. How may I help you?
Compare
might modal verb (PERMISSION)

In regards to your view on possibilities do you not understand the difference between how it is used to clearly express possibility?
She said she may decide to accept the job offer and may not.

And if you prefer Oxford dictionary.

used to say that something is possible
That may or may not be true.

(formal) used to ask for or give permission
May I come in?
You may come in if you wish.

used when admitting that something is true before introducing another point, argument, etc

Does religious bias or fanatism deprived you of the logic in your language understanding?

What do you understand by may defined by the last highlight in red here?

Christianity Etc › Re: Islam And Demons by Ohyoudidnt: 2:51am On Jul 18, 2024

SharonLoveth:
When I read his/her post, I was just laughing 🤣 here. Applying healing method when possessed with the demons

Any attempt to share information with you will be futility as your following post from the initial display the silly jest of your intentions.

In any case does your understanding of cure and mercy bear any relation to relief from a bother? Is demonic possession a bother to the one possesed and those around him or her?

Amuse yourself more please.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 11:38pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Is MAY used for a certainty or a probability?

What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Is MAY an indicator of CERTAINTY or a PROBABILITY?

All these to avoid answering the questions.

If Arabs understood the whole Qur'an, then Allah is Wrong

Is it UNTRUE that Allah claims that there are some parts of the Qur'an that none knows their true meaning except Allah

Do you also imply that Cambridge dictionary is wrong in saying?

may modal verb (PERMISSION)

B1 formal
used to ask or give permission:
A reader may borrow up to six books at any one time.
"May I help myself to some more food?" "Yes, of course."
Hi, my name's Tiffany. How may I help you?
Compare
might modal verb (PERMISSION)

In regards to your view on possibilities do you not understand the difference between how it is used to clearly express possibility?
She said she may decide to accept the job offer and may not.

And if you prefer Oxford dictionary.

used to say that something is possible
That may or may not be true.

(formal) used to ask for or give permission
May I come in?
You may come in if you wish.

used when admitting that something is true before introducing another point, argument, etc

Does religious bias or fanatism deprived you of the logic in your language understanding?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 11:07pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
You seem to lack any shame of deliberate ignorance.

Allah says:

Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Is this not a proof that someone other than Allah wrote the Qur'an?

I then asked you some simple basic questions

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?

Only humans use the Word MAY in prayers because we do not control the outcome of the prayers: God does!

So we say something like:
May God bless you and grant you safety in your journey! "

3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Just three simple questions!

Unfortunately, you think it is intellectually honest to digress under a display of tantrums because you clearly cannot answer the questions logically or intellectually.

Is MAY used for a certainty or a probability?

What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Is MAY an indicator of CERTAINTY or a PROBABILITY?

All these noises just to avoid answering the questions!
LOL!!

Again:
If Arabs understood the whole Qur'an, then Allah is Wrong : do you concur with this

Is it UNTRUE that Allah claims that there are some parts of the Qur'an that none knows their true meaning except Allah

Really?
Do you not now confirm that you are confused that the Quran was initially revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) orally but later written down?

It seems you are confused that the Torah was given to Prophet Moses (Musa, peace be upon him) in written form by Allah but the Quran was not?

You are blind to

What does having permission to do something?

Is this not definite?

be in some degree likely to
you may be right.

You carry on as an expert of language but are quick to display cunning ignorance. Can you clearly answer me?

Which dictionary defines ambiguous as may have several possibilities of unclear statements?

Politics › Re: Balami Dumps Obi, LP, Returns To APC by Ohyoudidnt: 11:01pm On Jul 17, 2024

AcuraZDX:
Nothing new.

Same way Tinubu dumped SDP for AD, scattered AD and later jumped to AC and later ACN which merged to form current APC.

That's 4 political parties!!

You can fact check me!!

Cross carpeting isn't a new thing in politics.

Modified: See the way Tinubu Supporters are hurling insults because of this known fact. Wahala😂

It's obvious most of you supporting him are kids and very very uninformed.

In clear context was the SDP party alive and active in the 1998-1999 elections?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:29pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Is MAY used for a certainty or a probability?

What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Is MAY an indicator of CERTAINTY or a PROBABILITY?

All these to avoid answering the questions.

You see your quote I highlighted in red? This is why you should explain the difference between may and might

may

1 of 2
helping verb
(ˈ)mā
past might (ˈ)mīt ; present singular & plural may
1
a
: have permission to
you may go now
b
: be in some degree likely to
you may be right
2
—used to express a wish or desire
long may she reign
may the best man win
3
—used to express purpose
we exercise so that we may be strong
or possibility of happening
he'll do his duty come what may

Still waiting for proof of your dictionary definition of ambiguous.

You accuse me of what you started doing?

TenQ:
1. Did I use the word "MIGHT" anywhere?
2. Did Allah use the word "MIGHT" anywhere in the quoted verse?
Focus on exactly what Allah said!

My questions were simple:

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Is this not a proof that someone other than Allah wrote the Qur'an?

Perhaps there may be need to explore the Aramaic bible for all what Jesus exactly said in reference to God's forgiveness.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 9:44pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Please quote any dictionary meaning of MAY and AMBIGUOUS.

Whatever is ambiguous is NOT precise, not specific and [s]may have several possibilities of unclear statements
[/s]

May : Indicates an uncertainty of likelihood or possibility.

What is the difference between these two similar sentences

1. I shall forgive you
2. I may forgive you

I see you limit your answer as you are scared to present clear definitions yourself?

Merriam-webster
May
1
a
—used to indicate possibility or probability
you may be right
things you may need
—sometimes used interchangeably with can
one of those slipups that may happen from time to time
—Jessica Mitford
—sometimes used where might would be expected
you may think from a little distance that the country was solid woods
—Robert Frost
b
: have permissionto
you may go now[b]
: be free to
a rug on which children may sprawl
—C. E. Silberman
—used nearly interchangeably with can
c
archaic : have the ability to
2
—used in auxiliary function expressing purpose or expectation
[b]I laugh that I may not weep
or contingency
she'll do her duty come what may
or concession
he may be slow but he is thorough
or choice
the angler may catch them with a dip net, or he may cast a large, bare treble hook
—Nelson Bryant
3
—used in auxiliary function to express a wish or desire especially in prayer, imprecation, or benediction
may the best man win
4
: SHALL, MUST —used in law where the sense, purpose, or policy requires this interpretation

There are differences between spoken “May” and written “May”

In spoken language, the word “may” is often used more casually and informally compared to its written counterpart. When spoken, “may” is commonly used to express possibility or permission in a less formal manner. For example, in everyday conversation, someone might say, “I may go to the store later,” to indicate a potential action without committing definitively.

On the other hand, in written language, especially in formal contexts such as academic writing or legal documents, the word “may” is used with more precision and clarity. In writing, “may” is often employed to denote permission or possibility in a specific and deliberate manner. For instance, in a legal contract, the term “party A may terminate the agreement under certain conditions” would be written with clear implications and legal significance.

When spoken May is more precise and the Quran is a recitation long before it was committed to writing.

ambiguous
adjective
am·big·u·ous am-ˈbi-gyə-wəs
Synonyms of ambiguous
1
a
: doubtful or uncertain especially from obscurity or indistinctness
eyes of an ambiguous color
b
: INEXPLICABLE
2
: capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways
an ambiguous smile
an ambiguous term
a deliberately ambiguous reply

Surely your chosen deliberate ploy of ignorance doesn't allow you to see wisdom in this.

I encourage you to explore the benefits and wisdom behind the existence of such verses.

In any case as the verse in Al Imran that you quoted says "those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations.

You surely pick on some verse and ignore numerous others like:

Then depart from the place from where [all] the people depart and ask forgiveness of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.Quran 2:199

Say, ˹O Prophet, that Allah says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in Allah’s mercy, for Allah certainly forgives all sins.He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Quran 39:53

TenQ:
Oh, there is a special kind of Qur'an Arabic different from what the Arabs spoke?

No wonder non can comprehend it!

You see exactly how you act like the Pharisees of old now. Perhaps you should trace your ancestry😁

Did the Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh not understand the recitation (the Quran)?

You are still unable to provide proof that they were not?

Kindly provide dictionary proof of your definition of ambiguous I crossed above.

I pointed to the Hebrew word for serpent but you appear to ignore this?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 8:31pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
1. Did I use the word "MIGHT" anywhere?
2. Did Allah use the word "MIGHT" anywhere in the quoted verse?
Focus on exactly what Allah said!

My questions were simple:

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Is this not a proof that someone other than Allah wrote the Qur'an?

Sadly you base your submission on translated meanings of the Quran not the Quran itself.

What is the level of accuracy of the translation please?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 8:29pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Why don't you say whatever you want to say as I didn't use the word MIGHT anywhere neither did Allah!

Is this to escape my direct questions which has nothing to do with the word MIGHT

Why don't you just explain the word of Allah who uses MAY for his ability?

We can remain within the context of what you say. Define and explain the meaning of the words may and ambiguous please?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 8:11pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Even your supporting translations betray you sir. Check the highlighted in yellow

Are you telling me that the word مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ (mutashābihātun) can NOT be translated into English with synonyms such as:

Ambiguous
Unclear
Vague
Indistinct
Obscure

Your preferred translation is wrong sir.

Is the term "allegory" in Arabic NOT "رمزية" (ramziyya) ?

There is no single synonym of ramziyya that is (mutashābihātun), meaning that you have a fraudulent translation

Muslims and lies are synonyms:
Why then did Allah say (quoting you):
None knoweth its explanation save Allah.

How do you describe If something is EXPLAINED, yet no one understands it?

I have just shown you above that
1. Allah says you cannot understand some parts of the Qur'an: is Allah telling lies?
None knoweth its explanation save Allah.
2. You need to disprove that mutashābihātun mean other than Ambiguous, Unclear, Vague, Indistinct, or Obscure

If the Arabians at the time of Mohammed understood the whole Qur'an, it is a proof that Allahs word in Qur'an 3:7 is false

Quran 3:7
It is He Who has revealed the Book to you. Some of its verses are absolutely clear and lucid, and these are the core of the Book. Others are ambiguous. Those in whose hearts there is perversity, always go about the part which is ambiguous , seeking mischief and seeking to arrive at its meaning arbitrarily, although none knows their true meaning except Allah. On the contrary, those firmly rooted in knowledge say: 'We believe in it; it is all from our Lord alone.' No one derives true admonition from anything except the men of understanding.

YES or NO:
Does the Highlighted in Yellow in Qur'an 3:7 exclude the Arabs in Mohammed's time?

I see you have now promoted yourself to an expert of Arabic language and It's translation to English. Perhaps you can show the arabic word that translates to mean others unspecific,may have several possibilities, unclear statements or are you blinded to see the extent of elucidation of the translators to show the meaning?

رمزية (Ramziyya) pertains to symbolism and symbolic representation.
مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ (Mutashabihat) relates to similarities or resemblances, particularly in Quranic verses

Indeed you clearly show how you feign deliberate ignorance to prevent you accepting a clear truth.

TenQ:
1. Did I use the word "MIGHT" anywhere?
2. Did Allah use the word "MIGHT" anywhere in the quoted verse?
Focus on exactly what Allah said!

My questions were simple:

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?
3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Is this not a proof that someone other than Allah wrote the Qur'an?

I deliberately ask you show you know the difference between may and might and you again deliberately incline to feign ignorance.

If someone you rever tells you that you may leave please say what does it mean?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 6:35pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Mr Ohyoudidnt

Let me ask you this Question.

Qur'an 48:2-3
2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.

Is this not a proof that someone other than Allah wrote the Qur'an?

Questions:
1. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed?
2. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself?

Only humans use the Word MAY in prayers because we do not control the outcome of the prayers: God does!

So we say something like:
May God bless you and grant you safety in your journey! "

3. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?

Just three simple questions!

Cc:
Antichristian
Explore2xmore
Qasim6
Gaskiyamagana

Very simply since we are communicating in English language can you first differentiate between the likelihood of may and might?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Vs Paul 1 - How To Qualify For Eternal Life! by Ohyoudidnt: 6:32pm On Jul 17, 2024

Steep:
Even the stupid Koran called Jesus the messiah meaning he is more than a prophet.
God sent prophets before Christ and all the prophet sent were jews.

Thanks for acknowledging that God sent other prophets and Jesus is not the sole prophet sent.

Were Balaam and Job Jew?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 6:22pm On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Let me give you a proof from Allah himself. I hope you would be truthful enough to accept it

Quran 3:7
It is He Who has revealed the Book to you. Some of its verses are absolutely clear and lucid, and these are the core of the Book. Others are ambiguous. Those in whose hearts there is perversity, always go about the part which is ambiguous, seeking mischief and seeking to arrive at its meaning arbitrarily, although none knows their true meaning except Allah. On the contrary, those firmly rooted in knowledge say: 'We believe in it; it is all from our Lord alone.' No one derives true admonition from anything except the men of understanding.

As an example, according to the Arab scholars, what is the meaning of
Qur'an 3:1
Alif, Lām, Meem

Well as often is the case I wonder which translation you use. Two translations below use the word allegorical which is quite different from ambiguous.
Muhammad Pickthall-
He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

Saheeh International--
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

Muhammad Sarwar-----

It is God who has revealed the Book to you in which some verses are clear statements (which accept no interpretation) and these are the fundamental ideas of the Book, while other verses may have several possibilities. Those whose hearts are perverse, follow the unclear statements in pursuit of their own mischievous goals by interpreting them in a way that will suit their own purpose. No one knows its true interpretations except God and those who have a firm grounding in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All its verses are from our Lord." No one can grasp this fact except the people of reason.

Kindly note the phrase as for those in whose hearts is deviation from the truth

Is this a similarity between you and the Pharisees? Your reference to Bible verses of discussion with Jesus need to be contextualized.

It only points me to conclude that as an Arabian will understand and interpret Quran 2:18 you only display intentional Violation being set by them so they do not revert.

You refer to Surahs that start with letters not understanding the attention calling effect of these? Is what follows not clear?

I asked you to provide proof that the Arabians living with prophet Muhammad pbuh when he was alive did not understand what he recited but are yet to and or are unable to.

The Arabic in the Quran can be translated however some core meaning may be lost in translation as some meanings too.

Imagine a view seen that the Hebrew word translated to serpent in Genesis is not actually a serpent.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:56am On Jul 17, 2024

TenQ:
Why can the Qur'an not be directly interpreted?

And We have not sent any Messenger [b]but with the language of his people so that he may make (the message of the Truth) more and more clear to them. Then Allah leads astray whom He wills and provides with guidance whom He wills. And He is Almighty, Most Wise.Quran 14:4

Do you have proof that the Arabians living with and around prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him when he was alive did not understand him?

Or is the Pharisees and Saducees or other Israelites around Jesus did not understand what he said to them in Aramaic language or other language which they spoke in common?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Vs Paul 1 - How To Qualify For Eternal Life! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:40am On Jul 17, 2024

Steep:
are as dumb as your prophet?
Do you even know what grace means?

I literally just showed you that to believe in Jesus is to believe in the God that sent Jesus.

Pardon my inquiry please.

Does the belief that God sent Jesus imply God did not send other prophets and only sent Jesus?

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 10:40pm On Jul 16, 2024

Lawag3:
The Trinity is in the Old Testament

I can proudly say christians know the nature of God more than any other religion

Jesus said in Matthew 13
Matthew 13:10-11 (KJV) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

The Jews were limited in the way they knew God. Genuine Christians know God personally and refer to God as father.

So I don't need to reconcile anything because I know God more than the average Jew.

You just place a blank statement that there's Trinity in the old testament? How? Don't bother trying to juxtapose any weird logic as this trinity or triune God despite how much you convince yourself isn't clearly stated in the old testament. If it was Judaism wouldn't disagree with Christianity about it. It isn't clearly stated in the new testament either.

The doctrine of the Trinity can lead to a form of polytheism, as it suggests that there are three distinct beings who are all God.

Trinity is indeed a contradictory concept. How can God be both three separate persons and one unified being at the same time? This paradoxical nature of the Trinity is simply wrong.

Trinity appears a discrete form of idolatry, as it elevates the concept of the Trinity above the worship of the one true God. This can lead to a distortion of proper worship and focus within Christianity.

Isn't there a form of hierarchy in the trinity or God the father isn't greater than the son and holy spirit? How then can this be one.

If Jesus was amongst the people and accessible to them why did he not clearly state the trinity? Was this to delay the crucifixion or crucifiction which still came to be or to leave an enduring debate of confusion?

It is what you choose to believe and perhaps cannot reason otherwise. A case of inability or fear to question? The beauty though is the belief is yours.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 6:53pm On Jul 16, 2024

Lawag3:
Same way I'm my body, soul and spirit.

These things only confuse Muslims like your self.

You guys don't even know what a spirit is

Sadly you only submit to the heresy of Modalism.

Do you not claim that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not distinct persons within the Godhead? Do you not also liken the trinity to different "modes" or manifestations of the same divine being?

Is this different from the three states water can exist in? Solid, liquid and gas?

Have you resolved the difference in beliefs about Jehovah in Judaism and the Trinity in Christianity? Jesus is Jewish and lived amongst followers of Judaism.

Does Judaism believe in a trinity? You should address this difference close home before taking up Islam.

The concept of YHWH is a singular, all-powerful deity is fundamental to Jewish belief and is reflected in the biblical commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me."

The Spirit which you slot in to divulge the focus is pretty well known.

The Spirit is a creation of and from Allah but not an attribute of Allah. Allah is unique and absolutely nothing can be compared or likened to him.

You can move on to your next polemic.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 8:27pm On Jul 15, 2024

[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=129417934][/quote]The logical problem of the Trinity remains an ongoing challenge for theologians and philosophers, there have been no new groundbreaking solutions in recent years. The mystery and complexity of the doctrine, coupled with its foundational importance in Christian theology, continue to make it a subject of deep reflection and debate.

The debate continues to revolve around the traditional formulations of the doctrine, such as the Athanasian Creed and the Nicene Creed, which affirm the three persons as coequal and coeternal. How can they be three yet 1?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 2:03pm On Jul 04, 2024

TenQ:
No questions whatsoever was asked!?
Why can the Qur'an not be directly interpreted?

Because it is one of the most incomplete books in the whole world even though Allah says that in it everything is explained in detail!

Example: with only the Qur'an answer the questions
1. Who is Israel?
2. Who is the Holy Spirit?
3. Show that Al-Fathia refers to the Christians and Jews as cursed and misled.
4. What is the wisdom in the fact that the order of revelations of chapters and verses is different from the order of arrangement of the Qur'an?

No one can say categorically the exact reasons for the differences in the number of supervisors. What we can say is that both sets of scrubs were speaking the truth from their pont of views As The Bible is not claimed to be the verbatim exact words of God otherwise just one mistake in spelling would have nullified the claim.

It is not impossible that the number of supervisors during the 7 years of construction could vary and stated truthfully as such.
a. How many full time and how many part-time supervisors were appointed?
Some scribes may ignore the part-time supervisors and claim only the full-time supervisors.
b. How many supervisors started the work and how many ended the work.
Depending on the scribes, either could be used
c. Are some workers also double as supervisors?
Some scribes may not duplicate such workers as supervisors.

Since no details was given, the best one can do is to speculate based on scenarios that may have occurred.
Otherwise, prove that YHWH dictated or wrote the Torah, Injeel, Zabur and the other books.

BUT
Is it UNTRUE that the Qur'an is the Verbatim words of Allah which is a copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise.
The implication except you disagree are:
1. Allah should not be imprecise or ambiguous about any information in the Qur'an
2. Allah should not make either a logical or mathematical or historical or scientific errors in the Qur'an
3. Allah should show wisdom is response to questions asked by mortal men in the Qur'an.
4. Allah should be perfect in the mastery of the language of the Qur'an
5. The book of God must not promote sin for anyone and especially not from his prophet
5. The Book of Allah should not need multiplicity of Tafsirs to comprehend it

Since God is perfect, any failure in just an example from any one of the 5 above shows that a human being is behind the wordings of the Qur'an

TenQ:
Why can the Qur'an not be directly interpreted?

Because it is one of the most incomplete books in the whole world even though Allah says that in it everything is explained in detail!

Example: with only the Qur'an,
1. Who is Israel?
2. Who is the Holy Spirit?
3. Show that Al-Fathia refers to the Christians and Jews as cursed and misled.
There is no answer!

This is why, you have multiple Tafsirs often not completely agreeing with each other to explain the Simple Arabic of the Qur'an

Yes, naturally speaking Arabians need an interpreter to understand the arabic of the Quran.

Any book with chapters and verses as if randomly strung together will be ambiguous and impossible to understand.

What is the wisdom in the fact that the order of revelations of chapters and verses is different from the order of arrangement of the Qur'an?

Do you say what you italicized and colour coded red for clear identification was not a question?

I have encouraged you to get answers to your intelligent questions from people that have your equivalent or respected level of intelligence.

You have agreed that there are different dialects of arabic and the Quran was revealed in the time of the prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him in 7 styles and there are 10 modes of recitation.

Now you reduce what you should hold dear as guidance from your God to what views are presented by scribes?

You are not concerned that they can inject their own beliefs, prejudices, or misunderstandings into the texts they transcribe or interpret?

You are not bothered their views can lead to misinterpretations or distortions of the original message intended by the deity?

You don't worry that the individual views provided by scribes may not always align perfectly with the intentions of the deity or higher power they seek to represent and the discrepancy can result in followers receiving flawed or incomplete guidance?

TenQ:
I gave you a video that shows the differences between the Sana texts and the modern Qur'an: just pick a few and do justice to them

Even the videos you used as supporting evidence agree that there are differences between the Sana manuscript and the modern Qur'an

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osvs9EIwGw?si=mTlKfkaRnTCdITFo

As you have specific issues to be addressed it will be foolish of me to take the liberty of knowing which particulars you have concerns with. This is why I rather you clearly put out the examples of your choice.

If you cannot then you are just blabbing and hiding on under screens.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 12:21pm On Jul 04, 2024

TenQ:
I watched the two videos attached even though I had watched the first one two years ago when it was posted on YouTube.

Let me highlight just three things from the first video

He agreed that there were DIFFERENCES , however he said
1. Qur'an was not meant to be written but memorised is the cause of the differences
2. Sana Quran is different from the one by Ibn Masud or Ibn Saad and called C1 to show that it probably belonged to one of the companions of Mohammed.
3 Uthmanic Quran has over 26 additions while the Sana C1 Qur'an has 14

The point is that there are differences between the Sana Qur'an (the oldest part of the Qur'an in physical existence) from the standard modern Qur'an in existence today.

The second video was worse in that it did not address anything but to downplay the complaints of Ibn Masud about the Qur'an of Uthman by Zaid.

To do justice, you might need to look at some of the textual variations between the Sana C1 manuscript verses and the standard Qur'an of today. My initial video gave several examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osvs9EIwGw?si=mTlKfkaRnTCdITFo

I am more concerned with the differences between the Sana manuscript and the modern Qur'an.

You can see why it is easier to point fingers at the number of supervisors Solomon used in building the temple

Can you 'intelligently' draw out the differences between the Sana manuscript and the modern Quran so we can evaluate the actual difference in the messages they pass?

I hope you will not run away or divert as clearly there is a difference between 3300 and 3600 in number can you show something similar or equal in these scripts?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 12:15pm On Jul 04, 2024

TenQ:
The question was:
Why can the Qur'an not be directly interpreted?

I said:
Because it is one of the most incomplete books in the whole world even though Allah says that in it everything is explained in detail!

I gave the example:
Example: with only the Qur'an,
1. Who is Israel?
2. Who is the Holy Spirit?
3. Show that Al-Fathia refers to the Christians and Jews as cursed and misled.
There is no answer!

This is why, you have multiple Tafsirs often not completely agreeing with each other to explain the Simple Arabic of the Qur'an

Your argument of why you think the Qur'an was rearranged is extremely weak! Why?
1. There is not one single record of Allah asking Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an
2. The Qur'an is expected to be in the Mother Book of the Qur'an of Allah in Paradise
It is thoroughly illogical for Jibril to randomly pick from the book of Allah only for the recitations to require a reordering after the whole book is recited.

It doesn't make any logical sense sir

TenQ:
Why can the Qur'an not be directly interpreted?

Because it is one of the most incomplete books in the whole world even though Allah says that in it everything is explained in detail!

Example: with only the Qur'an,
1. Who is Israel?
2. Who is the Holy Spirit?
3. Show that Al-Fathia refers to the Christians and Jews as cursed and misled.
There is no answer!

This is why, you have multiple Tafsirs often not completely agreeing with each other to explain the Simple Arabic of the Qur'an

Yes, naturally speaking Arabians need an interpreter to understand the arabic of the Quran.

Any book with chapters and verses as if randomly strung together will be ambiguous and impossible to understand.

What is the wisdom in the fact that the order of revelations of chapters and verses is different from the order of arrangement of the Qur'an?

What you italicized was not a question Tenq?

Your other questions have been answered repeatedly in your numerous posts on nairaland so I question if you really are seeking answers from those you ask?

Are you sure your intelligence digests the answers you have gotten or you deliberately constitute yourself into a nuisance?

In any case it's best to respect that no answer satisfies your particularly peculiar many confusion and wish you the best in loosening your knots of confusion.

Funny you never gave a direct answer as to why in Kings there are 3300 supervisors and 3600 in Corinthians. Well not like I expect you have a reasonable and confident answer for your 'Holy Bible's ' books ininconsistencies.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:53am On Jul 04, 2024

TenQ:
Why can the Qur'an not be directly interpreted?

Because it is one of the most incomplete books in the whole world even though Allah says that in it everything is explained in detail!

Example: with only the Qur'an,
1. Who is Israel?
2. Who is the Holy Spirit?
3. Show that Al-Fathia refers to the Christians and Jews as cursed and misled.
There is no answer!

This is why, you have multiple Tafsirs often not completely agreeing with each other to explain the Simple Arabic of the Qur'an

Yes, naturally speaking Arabians need an interpreter to understand the arabic of the Quran.

Any book with chapters and verses as if randomly strung together will be ambiguous and impossible to understand.

What is the wisdom in the fact that the order of revelations of chapters and verses is different from the order of arrangement of the Qur'an?

The order of revelation of chapters and verses in the Quran was determined by Allah's wisdom and divine plan. The Quran was revealed over a period of about 23 years in response to various events and circumstances faced by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the early Muslim community.

The order of revelation was not based on a chronological sequence of events but rather on divine wisdom and guidance.

The arrangement of the Quran into chapters (Surahs) and verses (Ayahs) was done under the guidance of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself, as directed by Angel Jibreel (Gabriel) and inspired by Allah.

The arrangement of the Quran is designed to convey specific themes, lessons, and guidance to humanity. The Quranic text is preserved in its original form to serve as a source of guidance and wisdom for all times.

The difference between the order of revelation and the arrangement of the Quran serves various purposes, including emphasizing key themes, providing comprehensive guidance, and facilitating ease of recitation and memorization.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 10:47am On Jul 04, 2024*

TenQ:
Mr Ohyoudidnt

Someone did a comparison between
1. The Sana manuscript of the Qur'an and the modern Hafs Qur'an
AND
2. The Hafs Qur'an and the Warsh Qur'an

Several differences were pointed out both in the Arabic and English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osvs9EIwGw?si=mTlKfkaRnTCdITFo

I am more concerned with the differences between the Sana manuscript and the modern Qur'an. Who is trying to doctor the Qur'an?

Can you explain the discrepancies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMeXNm88Z-g?si=2HZ2UNpoHvTnzPhm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxJGNTm5c-c?si=lyPmpZZc0rZAjSkg

These should address your questioning.

The differences Between the Sana'a Manuscript and the Modern Qur'an Do Not prove an attempt to Doctor the Qur'an.

The variations noted in early manuscripts like the Sana'a are usually minor and pertain primarily to orthographic, diacritical, and stylistic differences rather than substantial changes to the content itself.

During the initial centuries of Islam, there was not yet a standardized orthographic system for the Arabic script.

Scribal customs varied, and the use of diacritical marks was not consistent. This can lead to apparent differences in the texts but does not necessarily denote a differing message or doctrinal content.

While compiling the Uthmani standardised codex and variations were discovered, they were meticulously compared to the oral recitations authenticated by those who had memorized the Qur'an (known as hafiz). Hence, the authorization of the text involved a rigorous communal verification process, making it unlikely that any significant changes went unnoticed or unchallenged

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 4:44pm On Jul 03, 2024

TenQ:
The religious books of you muslims include the Quran, the Hadiths, the Tafsirs, the Sirah.

Can any muslim interpret the Quran without following the Sunnah?
Can any muslim interpret the Quran without following the Tafsirs and the Hadiths?

Why can't the Quran be directly interpreted?

Is this because it is in Arabic language?

Do you mean naturally speaking Arabians need an interpreter to understand the arabic of the Quran?

I hope you are not deliberately making an intellectual mistake.

Did you understand the video you shared?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkzcocL1A0?si=l2duWWcx_h6Rw18u

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 3:58pm On Jul 03, 2024

TenQ:
The Tafsirs of your scholars are not enough for you!?
Are you claiming that the fabricated these stories?

Why not ask me for one verse in the book of Mormons that specified that solomon died for almost one year leaning on a stick?
Also ask me to ask the Sultan of Sokoto if he knew Solomon

Please enlighten me is Tafsir equal to Hadith?

Characteristically you rush and misconceive hadith and tafsir. Also knowing or maybe not knowing that these two have varied types and gradation

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 3:55pm On Jul 03, 2024

TenQ:
Mr Ohyoudidnt

1. All your Scholars agree that Solomon stood dead for a year, almost a year or a year plus, check the following screenshot as requested.
2. You will need to explain how Solomon's wives, subjects did not know that solomon was dead for a whole year

https://www.ibnalarabi.com/quran/aya.php?id=3620
Second by Ibn Al-Tabari

Let us look at a relevant part of At-Tabari

Therefore, there are two opinions: One of them is what Qatada and others said. He said: The jinn claimed knowledge of the unseen, so when Solomon, peace be upon him, died and his death was hidden from everyone.

The jinn had made clear that if only they had knowledge of the unseen they wouldn't havr remained working in fear. He stayed for a year while the jinn worked in front of him until the earth ate up his staff and he fell. It is narrated that whilehe never knew how long he had died.

So I put the earth on the stick and ate from it for a day and a night. Then they calculated on that and found thathe had died a hundred years ago.

Please somewhere says one year another arrives at a calculated estimate of 100 years. 1 and 100 are too far apart to conclude on a specific time frame or is this what your statistical/mathematical knowledge tells You?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 2:58pm On Jul 03, 2024

TenQ:
It isnt my position o!
It is the position of Mr Ohyoudidnt

Is this the true position of Islam?

Mr Ohyoudidnt forgot a number of things
1. All the Hadiths mentioned one Year: is the one year of the Jinn different from that of the Human year?
2. Are the Ants or Woodworm from the jinn world?
3. Are the Jinn building an invisible structure for Solomon?

Of course you know well that Surah Saba vs 14 doesnt say this!

Please quote just one hadith that specifies one year

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 6:58pm On Jul 02, 2024

AntiChristian:
Quote a reference for it from the Qur'an or Sunnah!

Surah Saba vs 14

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 1:19pm On Jul 02, 2024

In Finality

In Islam, the concept of the Holy Spirit (Ar-Ruh al-Qudus) is understood to be a creation of Allah and is separate from Allah Himself. The Holy Spirit is believed to be an angel or a divine entity created by Allah for specific purposes. It is important to note that in Islamic belief, Allah is distinct and separate from His creation, including the Holy Spirit and all other spirits.

In Surah Al-Ma'idah, Chapter 5, Verse 110, Allah says:

Translation:
[And mention] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

This verse from the Quran mentions the support given to Prophet Isa (Jesus) by the Pure Spirit (Ar-Ruh al-Qudus), indicating that the Holy Spirit is a creation of Allah and was sent to assist and guide the prophets.

Also, the concept of the "spirit of Allah" in relation to Prophet Isa (Jesus) is understood to be a creation of Allah and is separate from Allah Himself. The term "spirit of Allah" (Ruhullah) refers to a special status or honor given to Prophet Isa as a chosen messenger of Allah, not to be understood as a literal part of Allah Himself.

In Surah An-Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse 171, Allah
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

This verse clarifies the status of Prophet Isa (Jesus) as a messenger of Allah and emphasizes the oneness of Allah, highlighting that the term "spirit from Him" refers to a creation of Allah and not a part of Allah Himself. It is important to understand the teachings of Islam regarding the nature of Allah and His creation.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 1:12pm On Jul 02, 2024

NairaLTQ:
I am laughing my head off at your goof: caught RED HANDED!

YOU SAID: "I have gone through 2 of your screenshots and see none stating how long Suleiman a.s leaned on a stick."

You indeed went through them!

I am done with you sir: It is not easy debating a Chronic Liar!

I did go through them. In any case you are not worthy as your narration in your Bible is a Jewish/Israelite story which you have termed a fable.

Did you read in your Tafsir?
It is narrated that when he fell, it was not known when he had died; so the earth was placed on the stick and ate from it for a day and a night, then they calculated accordingly and found that he had died a year ago.

Can you ascertain that their calculation was correct? We're the conditions under which their reproduction done like they were when Solomon leaned on the staff?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 12:47pm On Jul 02, 2024

While at it don't overload explaining a reasonable reason why the number of supervisors in Kings and Chronicles are different.

When there is insincerity in a narration does it not cast incredibity on the narration?

Do some of the Tafsir you rely on not depend on the Jewish tales in making their exegesis?
I had repeatedly pointed out to you that Quran verse doesn't mention duration but your preference of distorting the truth (lying) pushes you to seek interpretation of the Quran from the sources the lies of your forerunners use in failed efforts to corrupt the Quran like the older scripture.

It's established Tenq relies on suspicious sources to explain Islam and the Quran.

Exactly like far more radical extremists and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of decision making, trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the Middle East and they know Islam and they know the others far better than we do.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 12:36pm On Jul 02, 2024

NairaLTQ:
I can see why you quickly went to the Admin to bail you out. Unfortunatly for you, i grabbed your screen

The Admin Quickly bailed you Out by banning my Account!?
SMH!
You goofed right!
Too Bad!

When I say you are a chronic liar, it is an understatement.
You have gone through the screenshots and found that there was nothing like a YEAR as duration of Solomon's death!?
How can you look me in the face and say that none stating how long Suleiman a.s leaned on a stick

Check each of the Tafsir I gave you:

If you like, call the Admin to delete this too and ban the account
Chronic Liar!

You are indeed the slave of the Al-Makr!

Kindly repost your screenshot of Jalalyn and use a marker to show كامل in it.

Though I don't expect you to as the devil is everything but kind.

Fact remains the arabic tafsir is not in altafsir.com or you deny you didn't refer me here to find it.

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